Hi all,
I hope some people here have connections to Sony and can maybe raise this question. I noticed that some users complain that the camera "glass" on the camera (so the small round piece of glass which protects the camera) is actual not glass but vulnerable plastic. The front side as well as the back side of the smartphone are protected by Gorilla Glass 3 but the small piece of the camera is neither Gorilla Glass 3 nor Saphir Glass (even better than Gorilla Glass 3).
Check out his post on a Russian forum:
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This guy basically tested the 3 pieces of glass (front, back and camera) with a needle and noticed that the camera glass was damaged afterwards and the front and back were fine. Let's not talk about it if this guy is an a**hole because he damages a sample device. Btw I am NOT the guy.
You can expand this post and see three pictures. I attached one picture which I got from a German forum.
Is it really true that Sony took weak plastic glass to protect the camera? This would be a big problem since the glass will become blurred after some time due to very small scratches. So after 1 year the quality of pictures will definitely not be the same.
Does anyone have further information or can raise this question to a Sony contact? I am sure sending an email to Sony will not deliver satisfying results since the question is too detailed.
Many thanks in advance!
Just tested this on the black part of the camera glass of my acro s and it also scratches relatively easy. Strange. You would think that for a piece of glass this small, they would at least use some good quality scratch-resistent glass.
AFAIK lens / lens guard is glass on both Z3 & Z3C. The anti-relflective / polarising coating is not part of the lens, like a polariser lens ... it's just a coating.
mudnightoil said:
AFAIK lens / lens guard is glass on both Z3 & Z3C. The anti-relflective / polarising coating is not part of the lens, like a polariser lens ... it's just a coating.
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so it is actually glass but there is an anti reflective shield/foil/film above it?
If yes they should have put this under the glass... it will scratch easily. Would you suggest to protect it by a screen protector (a shield as well)?
Not very smart Sony!
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so it is actually glass but there is an anti reflective shield/foil/film above it?
If yes they should have put this under the glass... it will scratch easily. Would you suggest to protect it by a screen protector (a shield as well)?
Not very smart Sony!
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Screen protectors, do NOT protect the camera, because it could and probably will affect the quality of your pictures.
In my opinion there is really not much to worry about. Who ever had their lens glass scratched that bad that you could see it on pictures?
Dsteppa said:
Screen protectors, do NOT protect the camera, because it could and probably will affect the quality of your pictures.
In my opinion there is really not much to worry about. Who ever had their lens glass scratched that bad that you could see it on pictures?
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Seeing as the camera glass is perfectly level with the surrounding glass, and the surrounding glass is perfectly level with frame, it could pose a problem. If you put the phone down and it slides a little bit, the smallest of dust particles could create micro scratches.
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Seeing as the camera glass is perfectly level with the surrounding glass, and the surrounding glass is perfectly level with frame, it could pose a problem. If you put the phone down and it slides a little bit, the smallest of dust particles could create micro scratches.
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Picture of my Xperia Z that I have since February 2013
Taken with a macro lens, most of the dust that you see, you can barely see with your eyes.
Any news on that? Does anyone has further information from Sony forums or did a scratch test?
Evil_enc said:
Any news on that? Does anyone has further information from Sony forums or did a scratch test?
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I'm not going to attempt it with mine
Evil_enc said:
Hi all,
I hope some people here have connections to Sony and can maybe raise this question. I noticed that some users complain that the camera "glass" on the camera (so the small round piece of glass which protects the camera) is actual not glass but vulnerable plastic. The front side as well as the back side of the smartphone are protected by Gorilla Glass 3 but the small piece of the camera is neither Gorilla Glass 3 nor Saphir Glass (even better than Gorilla Glass 3).
Check out his post on a Russian forum:
http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2F4pda.ru%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Fshowtopic%3D604884%26st%3D1240%23entry34505942&sandbox=1
This guy basically tested the 3 pieces of glass (front, back and camera) with a needle and noticed that the camera glass was damaged afterwards and the front and back were fine. Let's not talk about it if this guy is an a**hole because he damages a sample device. Btw I am NOT the guy.
You can expand this post and see three pictures. I attached one picture which I got from a German forum.
Is it really true that Sony took weak plastic glass to protect the camera? This would be a big problem since the glass will become blurred after some time due to very small scratches. So after 1 year the quality of pictures will definitely not be the same.
Does anyone have further information or can raise this question to a Sony contact? I am sure sending an email to Sony will not deliver satisfying results since the question is too detailed.
Many thanks in advance!
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The Z3 does not use gorilla glass.... these brands and types use it http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/en/products-with-gorilla
Sony hasn't got gorilla glass on any of its products according to corning.
Camera glass should have been saffier glass if you ask me.
The Z3 Compact indeed has lousy camera glass quality. I don't think it's glass, it's plastic, as you will be able to deform it using only your nail and pressing it. Here's my sample. I was having another problem with the camera, as you can see the big spots, it's the glue letting go or something. As for the little scratches, they're real and you can see them with the naked eye. They're from day-to-day use for two-three weeks, just putting it on my desk and trying to swipe messages while it's laying on my desk or table, like I'm used to with the Galaxy Nexus.
I'm really sad Sony still cheaped out on this. Why didn't they just use Dragontrail X on both sides and sapphire glass? It's certainly in their budget seeing these pretty high prices, so there's no reason not to do this.
sygys said:
The Z3 does not use gorilla glass.... these brands and types use it http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/en/products-with-gorilla
Sony hasn't got gorilla glass on any of its products according to corning.
Camera glass should have been saffier glass if you ask me.
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Corning does not list all the companies that use its glass. Apple, for example, is not listed but it uses Gorilla Glass. I believe Sony uses GG on at least one side of the Z3, but not sure about the Z3c.
As for the camera lens... it's probably the coating being scratched. All lenses, big and small, have coatings to minimize flare and other issues. If I took a needle to some of my Canon L lenses I bet I'd see a scratch in the coating, too.
RainbowSwag said:
The Z3 Compact indeed has lousy camera glass quality. I don't think it's glass, it's plastic, as you will be able to deform it using only your nail and pressing it. Here's my sample. I was having another problem with the camera, as you can see the big spots, it's the glue letting go or something. As for the little scratches, they're real and you can see them with the naked eye. They're from day-to-day use for two-three weeks, just putting it on my desk and trying to swipe messages while it's laying on my desk or table, like I'm used to with the Galaxy Nexus.
I'm really sad Sony still cheaped out on this. Why didn't they just use Dragontrail X on both sides and sapphire glass? It's certainly in their budget seeing these pretty high prices, so there's no reason not to do this.
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It looks more like yours still has protection foil on it cant you remove it? BTW glass used on the front is dragontrail. the back has no scratch resistant glass and scratches very easily. b
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It looks more like yours still has protection foil on it cant you remove it? BTW glass used on the front is dragontrail. the back has no scratch resistant glass and scratches very easily. b
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There is no separate removable protection foil on the camera glass afaik.
What I've done to get around this issue is purchase an HTC M8 camera lens protector kit because it's almost a perfect fit (a tad smaller) but covers the area in front of the actual lens. The image degradation is barely noticeable so I'm pretty happy with it.
I noticed a rough spot on the camera glass on mine, when I lightly rubbed my nail over it, I couldn't really see anything but under my microscope I saw this.
It's not very promising as I've only had this phone for two months and a half, while my two-year old Xperia Acro S barely has a mark on its camera glass. I never treated this Z3C any worse than my old Acro S. I'm even treating this much more carefully than my Acro S.
So it does look like the camera glass on the Z3C is absolute rubbish material.
I'm not yet noticing any blurred or washed out spots in the pictures, but I do start to notice light streaks around bright light sources.
So does the camera lense have like a removable film/protector? It looks like on my z3 compact that their are like air bubbles around the edges.
I'm so tempted to pick at it with a needle to see if it comes off!
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I noticed a rough spot on the camera glass on mine, when I lightly rubbed my nail over it, I couldn't really see anything but under my microscope I saw this.
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curious about the rest of the glass on the back. is it similarly marked up with scratches? if so, then: gorilla glass my ass!
Woza72 said:
So does the camera lense have like a removable film/protector? It looks like on my z3 compact that their are like air bubbles around the edges.
I'm so tempted to pick at it with a needle to see if it comes off!
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The outer layer is probably the polarization filter, I would not try to pick it off...
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AM Radio said:
curious about the rest of the glass on the back. is it similarly marked up with scratches? if so, then: gorilla glass my ass!
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The rest of the back has a bunch of micro scratches, nowhere near as dense nor as deep as the ones on the camera though.
The front is still completely free of scratches.
deep scratch on the camera
Hello there! I bought this phone last wednesday and by yesterday evening I started to notice light streaks when the camera was looking to bright light sources. I thought that it might been dirty. I cleaned it and it still there. Looking to the camera glass with a bright light I noticed a deep scratch on it. Considering that it has less than a week, do you think that the seller or Sony itself will give me a replacement? And, if it has to be payed, is there anyone who payed for that? Thanks a lot
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i already had the front film removed and it wen't very well i was very happy with the results
now comes the back film why did i remove it? i don't know i guess i wanted it to be plain glass
anyway after i removed it it seems it left glue very small pieces of glue that only shows if you breath on it
i also have a worry removing the film will that do anything to the waterproofing?
as i assume the back is glued on compared to the front
i didn't drag straight up i carefully (not sure how careful) dragged downwards in every corner (the parts where it's easier to peel it off)
how much force does it take to move the plate or the glue?
How is removing the asf going to do something about the waterproofing? It is glass onderneath a piece of plastic. If you drink something, do you use a piece of paper?? Or do you use glass like everyone else. The glass on the phone is even more compressed because it's tempered.. Sorry, just wanted to tell you that. I read it everywhere that people have doubts after removing the asf.. So your answer: NO, it isn't going to do something about the waterproofing.
As for the sticky residu, i heard people removed it with nail polisher. They did with the xperia z, so i guess you could do it to on you z1. But i'm not sure, anyone else can conform this?
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i already had the front film removed and it wen't very well i was very happy with the results
now comes the back film why did i remove it? i don't know i guess i wanted it to be plain glass
anyway after i removed it it seems it left glue very small pieces of glue that only shows if you breath on it
i also have a worry removing the film will that do anything to the waterproofing?
as i assume the back is glued on compared to the front
i didn't drag straight up i carefully (not sure how careful) dragged downwards in every corner (the parts where it's easier to peel it off)
how much force does it take to move the plate or the glue?
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You could use a nitro or a medical gasoline.
zzcool said:
i already had the front film removed and it wen't very well i was very happy with the results
now comes the back film why did i remove it? i don't know i guess i wanted it to be plain glass
anyway after i removed it it seems it left glue very small pieces of glue that only shows if you breath on it
i also have a worry removing the film will that do anything to the waterproofing?
as i assume the back is glued on compared to the front
i didn't drag straight up i carefully (not sure how careful) dragged downwards in every corner (the parts where it's easier to peel it off)
how much force does it take to move the plate or the glue?
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I used nail polish remover to get the glue off. The back piece of glass is held in place by waterproofing adhesive. I've take the back of my Z but not my Z1. They are the same in design. If you look closely you will not that the ASF doesn't cover the crease where the glass meets the frames so no it will not harm the waterproofing abilities.
i used the cleaning solution i got with my liquid shield protection it worked
sadly i managed to find a scratch on the phone so now im sad a scratch i did not make it's a tiny black line on the frame i had the phone outside of the house about 2 times using a case other than that it has been sitting on tables
i am very sad and dissapointed about that scratch since i am very sensitive to scratches it is about 0.5 mm in size just a guess but it's microscopic but it is visible
zzcool said:
i already had the front film removed and it wen't very well i was very happy with the results
now comes the back film why did i remove it? i don't know i guess i wanted it to be plain glass
anyway after i removed it it seems it left glue very small pieces of glue that only shows if you breath on it
i also have a worry removing the film will that do anything to the waterproofing?
as i assume the back is glued on compared to the front
i didn't drag straight up i carefully (not sure how careful) dragged downwards in every corner (the parts where it's easier to peel it off)
how much force does it take to move the plate or the glue?
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After you remove the sheet is the Sony logo and xperia logo still on the glass or did it come out along with the sheet?
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DetmL said:
After you remove the sheet is the Sony logo and xperia logo still on the glass or did it come out along with the sheet?
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I think that's already confirmed - Sony logo is on protector, not on the glass.
Sent from my Z1
funky0308 said:
I think that's already confirmed - Sony logo is on protector, not on the glass.
Sent from my Z1
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That's for the front sheet. The back might be different. :beer:
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DetmL said:
That's for the front sheet. The back might be different. :beer:
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the sony logo is inside the glass at the back
not the front
bodson66 said:
I used nail polish remover to get the glue off. The back piece of glass is held in place by waterproofing adhesive. I've take the back of my Z but not my Z1. They are the same in design. If you look closely you will not that the ASF doesn't cover the crease where the glass meets the frames so no it will not harm the waterproofing abilities.
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My phone got completely scratched up after the first two weeks. Front and back, never dropped. Disappointed with this"scratch resistant" glass. I have a billion tiny scratches and a few deep ones too
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DetmL said:
That's for the front sheet. The back might be different. :beer:
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Oohh...Sorry
I thought you were meant for a front one.
stealthj said:
My phone got completely scratched up after the first two weeks. Front and back, never dropped. Disappointed with this"scratch resistant" glass. I have a billion tiny scratches and a few deep ones too
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Yeah...
That's why I always order screen protector - and I do that before my device arrive.
Every phone I had was perfect after one or even two years of using because I always use cases and protectors.
I just don't believe there's any glass you can't scratch (except maybe sapphire).
The main problems are tiny grains of sand and dust that will land on your screen and when you are using touch screen you scratch your screen.
Piece of sand is similar to diamond and can cut through a glass and only screen protector or sapphire glass could resist it or save it from a scratch
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stealthj said:
My phone got completely scratched up after the first two weeks. Front and back, never dropped. Disappointed with this"scratch resistant" glass. I have a billion tiny scratches and a few deep ones too
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Are the scratches on the glass of ASF?
Any logos come off when the back is taken off?
Togadood said:
Any logos come off when the back is taken off?
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why the hell you remove a shutter protective factory made protector !! am very astonished with people ruining their devices with their own hands
ashouhdy said:
why the hell you remove a shutter protective factory made protector !! am very astonished with people ruining their devices with their own hands
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1. it looks nicer and cleaner a WHOLE LOT cleaner without the sony logo
2.it feels less cheap to not have a plastic layer ontop of the glass
3.the film gets easily scratched so you have to place yet another one ontop of it which is insanity in my honest opinion
i am VERY happy with the result i got from removing it if i decide to upgrade to the z1s i'll be sure to peel off the film as soon as i get it
i removed the film the first day and i have not once looked back the phone looks absolutely STUNNING without the sony logo and more unique to me seriously removing it was an amazing decision in my opinion
zzcool said:
1. it looks nicer and cleaner a WHOLE LOT cleaner without the sony logo
2.it feels less cheap to not have a plastic layer ontop of the glass
3.the film gets easily scratched so you have to place yet another one ontop of it which is insanity in my honest opinion
i am VERY happy with the result i got from removing it if i decide to upgrade to the z1s i'll be sure to peel off the film as soon as i get it
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which film u mean ... the one which meant to peel the very first one u peel after opeining the box or the ultra clear thin protective ???????
ashouhdy said:
which film u mean ... the one which meant to peel the very first one u peel after opeining the box or the ultra clear thin protective ???????
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the one that you have to carefully push a needle on then slowly drag it off with moderate force the anti shatterproof film thats not supposed to be removed
i like symmetry and without that film the phone is symmetric from all angles every single angle
the sony logo ruins that
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it's just a piece of glass surrounded by a metal frame you can't possibly say that this dosn't look nice
don't worry
Believe me that the feeling of the glass is much better than the plastic film
I removed mine fromm the left bottom corner
then u lost the shutter proof property please go get it put again in any service centre. if a fall it will shutter like a packet of biscuits
The glass covering the camera lens at the back is protruding so putting it down on any surface would make the glass touch it...how do you guys keep it from scratching?
koppee1 said:
The glass covering the camera lens at the back is protruding so putting it down on any surface would make the glass touch it...how do you guys keep it from scratching?
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A case that's raised more than the camera is what I'm doing. Have done this for years without ever having my lens scratch.
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I'm keeping the protective little plastic cover over it. Took it off to see if any difference in pic quality and there was none.
lawtq said:
I'm keeping the protective little plastic cover over it. Took it off to see if any difference in pic quality and there was none.
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When I pick mine up from the shop I'll be leaving the plastic on - my S4 has a gaping scratch across its camera lense!
Normally there should be no need to worry unless you intend to drag your phone across a rocky road. It's protected by a veryt scratchresistant glass, simlar to sapphire glass. It can stand a heavy beating and still perform.
The only real problem is fat from your fingers smearing onto the protective glass, this will cause weird looking arefacts with highlights so make sure you keep it clean.
/ Magnus
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I'm keeping the protective little plastic cover over it. Took it off to see if any difference in pic quality and there was none.
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The plastic never covered over the sensor itself, only the outside edges.
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The plastic never covered over the sensor itself, only the outside edges.
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Correct. Good protection. Or you could get the Nillkin Amazing H+ 9H Hardness Anti-Explosion Tempered Glass*for the note 4, it comes with 2 mini tempered glass camera lense protectors
Though I have not used any case or screen protector for the front screen, I have cut exact size glossy screen protector for the camera lens. I developed lots of scratches in S2 lens, from then on I started protecting camera lenses.
Note 4
If you look carefully the platic frame around the glass is just slightly above the glass so really the glass doesn't make contact with a flat surface
The Samsung s-view case is just big enough to keep the lens from touching. It's a good option if you are concerned about the lens getting scratched and want front of phone protection.
If the plastic cover doesn't affect the photos then chances are the odd scratch won't either..
Wife has S5 and glass on the lens seems pretty tough! No scratches yet!
When not using my Note 4, I shoot pictures with high end Nikon glass (lenses). Some will say to put a plain UV filter on the lens as a means of protection, never go naked. Others will ask why would one put an $80 piece of glass in front of finely tuned and crafted $2,500 piece of glass? Additionally, all those large sport photographer lenses you see taking photos.......no filters are made that size, they use hoods which extend several inches from the front of the lens as a means of protection. Now, given the camera in the Note 4 is not a high end DLSR you may not see the difference all that much, depending on the shot. However adding some form of adhoc protector over the camera will certainly cause some form of photo degradation.
If you have a phone case where the camera lens is recessed you should be perfectly fine if: (1) you pay attention how and where you place it down and (2) keep it out of your pants, bags...etc that hold keys and your loose change..etc.
Remove any added plastic or glass in front of your lens; take clearer and sharper pictures!
Goodluck
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I'm keeping the protective little plastic cover over it. Took it off to see if any difference in pic quality and there was none.
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I didn't even know there was one those lol I put a skinomi skin on mine hoping that it's raised just enough xD
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lawtq said:
I'm keeping the protective little plastic cover over it. Took it off to see if any difference in pic quality and there was none.
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I didn't even know there was one those lol I put a skinomi skin on mine hoping that it's raised just enough xD
Well, my first tip would be to not place your note 4 on a textured surface, press it down into the textured surface and then rubbing it vigorously against it, with your pressure RIGHT on the lens.
Other than that, just use it normally. Dont keep it in a bag of quarters, dont hack at it with nails, dont keep it with your keys in a pocket... The usual nobrainer things.
Should be totally fine. When I place it on a table, the lens doesnt touch the table.
Magnus3D said:
Normally there should be no need to worry unless you intend to drag your phone across a rocky road. It's protected by a veryt scratchresistant glass, simlar to sapphire glass. It can stand a heavy beating and still perform.
The only real problem is fat from your fingers smearing onto the protective glass, this will cause weird looking arefacts with highlights so make sure you keep it clean.
/ Magnus
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/thread - really, the glass on the camera lens is the strongest glass you will find on your mobile device - applies to any phone.
Couldn't resist...cut out an extra screen protector and stuck it on the camera glass lol
lawtq said:
Correct. Good protection. Or you could get the Nillkin Amazing H+ 9H Hardness Anti-Explosion Tempered Glass*for the note 4, it comes with 2 mini tempered glass camera lense protectors
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Never heard of this before.. Have Otterbox but realized my camera lens for smashed today while outside doing yard work... This what you use? Installation hard? Got URL? Thanks in advance.
DrDank said:
Never heard of this before.. Have Otterbox but realized my camera lens for smashed today while outside doing yard work... This what you use? Installation hard? Got URL? Thanks in advance.
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I liked it. Gad the halo effect though unfortunately. But loved the 2 little camera screen protector too! Easy install.
Sorry, don't d have much time to search, url anyone it could i get camera protection for otterbox?
Righteo, our phones will be arriving in a week, which screen protectors should we be buying? Thoughts?
I'm tempted by a tempered glass (pun not intended, but I chuckled), but haven't had one before. They seem like they can be pretty thin these days and keep the nice feeling of glass instead of plastic. My Z3C came with protectors for front and back in the box, but looking at the "whats included" things, I can't see any mention of that for the XZ1c.
I guess the requirements are: can't be crap; gotta be reasonably easy to apply bubble free; nice to touch; not going to peel or flake after a few months; not a finger-print magnet; doesn't interfere with the touchscreen function; doesn't alter the colours.
Get your suggestions in! Mobilefun have a couple available to preorder, but I've got no reason to think these are any better than ones on Amazon etc.
Just got my XZ1 Compact from Sony HK. They gave me a third party "nano protector" which is crap; covers the screen but not the wall glass area, the texture is nice but it's a dust magnet. Looking for a full screen tempered glass protector now..
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Definitely go tempered glass, just dropped my nexus 5x today (a week before upgrade to XZ1 compact) and the screen protector cracked but the screen is fine. I also know a guy at work who has dropped his iphone at least 6 times and broken the screen protector only.
Im tempted to get the sony Xperia™ XZ1 Compact Style Cover Stand SCSG60 for a bit more protection but not sure how ill get on with a cover case like that.
Screen protector wise i've only seen these in the UK
Not sure whats curved about it but its official ish by the looks of it. Not sure i like the black boxes though.
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/roxfit-mfx-sony-xperia-xz1-compact-curved-glass-screen-protector-64844
Not heard of Olixar but this one has clear glass all over.
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/olixar-s...t-tempered-glass-screen-protector-black-65018
I found a cheap tempered glass protector, the only one I could find after couple of hours checking shops in Hong Kong.
It went to the trash bin after a day...
It covered the screen area only and its edges wouldn't stick to the phone glass...
Yes, I just found out that the XZ1 glass is 2.5D so it is slightly curved, very very slightly but still.
I guess it will be hard to find a full screen one then. The best option I've found on Internet is a curved plastic protector, similar to what I had on my S7 edge; it should cover nicely the whole area without bubbles or the issues all the curved tempered glass had, but this kind of material is fingerprint, smudges and grease magnet...
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Just got my XZ1 Compact from Sony HK. They gave me a third party "nano protector" which is crap; covers the screen but not the wall glass area, the texture is nice but it's a dust magnet. Looking for a full screen tempered glass protector now..
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Try this one - Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact Screen Protector,SMTR® [Edge Full Coverage Screen Protector][Easy-Install][Scratch resistant][Ultra Clear] 2.5D Pro Fit 9H Tempered Glass 0.33mm for Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact - Black https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B075686NYQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_TQGYzb8Q5M2SG
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http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/roxfit-mfx-sony-xperia-xz1-compact-curved-glass-screen-protector-64844
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Purchased the full glass screen protector mentioned here as well as the Roxfit book case. Will let you guys know how it goes when I receive them.
Looks like the tempered glass ones don't reach to the edges due to curving of the screen. Might be a bit tricky to find one that covers the entire front properly, and even then, I guess glass is out of the question.
Gonna try one of these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0755DYRYQ
Dashers said:
Looks like the tempered glass ones don't reach to the edges due to curving of the screen. Might be a bit tricky to find one that covers the entire front properly, and even then, I guess glass is out of the question.
Gonna try one of these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0755DYRYQ
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This is the Roxfit one, they do the cases under the 'made for xperia' partnership so id hope the glass would be good too (even if not made for xperia)
https://www.roxfit.mobi/products/sony-xperia-xz1-compact-full-cover-tempered-glass
Roxfit one looks the same, I think these ones with the coloured surrounds might be edge-to-edge. If you look at the clear options on Amazon a number of them mention they'll only cover the screen and not go to the edge due to curves. There are a couple of reviews on the XZ1 protectors that mention they don't go to the edge.
Should get mine tomorrow and just received notification of dispatch of my phone too, so hopefully they'll all rock up some time tomorrow.
I bought this screen protector and I'm a little disapointed. Although it was easy to put on and has a good finish. It doesn't wrap round the edges of the curved display and thb, I can't imagine there are any protectors that will.
Part of a screen protectors design is to be hard and ridgid to resist scratches, now get that hard material to wrap round a 90 degree corner.
I'll be interested in feedback of the other protectors listed here.
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Gonna try one of these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0755DYRYQ
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Easy to put on, I did it straight away, so I pulled off the shipping cover and slapped this one down in one movement. No dust, no bubbles.
The black frame is a little weird, the most noticeable bit is the cut out for the Sony logo. But be warned with these glass frames - you cannot use the official DK60 dock! It is just slightly too big to slot in to the correct sized bracket. I've had to use a bigger bracket and shove a bit of card down the back.
Anyone have a suggestion of a normal nonglass screen protector? I just love the one that originally came with my z3c - it's oleophobic so I honestly never see any fingerprint smudges on the screen.
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Easy to put on, I did it straight away, so I pulled off the shipping cover and slapped this one down in one movement. No dust, no bubbles.
The black frame is a little weird, the most noticeable bit is the cut out for the Sony logo. But be warned with these glass frames - you cannot use the official DK60 dock! It is just slightly too big to slot in to the correct sized bracket. I've had to use a bigger bracket and shove a bit of card down the back.
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So is it ok in use with the phone? Id rather have full coverage but ive seen some not full coverage ones that are completely clear and so wont look as odd with the black sections.
Alas, the only camera I have on me at the moment is my phone. But it doesn't look too bad, I can't see a clear one looking any better in reality as the thickness is the most distracting thing. A film one will get a snugger fit, but the clarity and feel isn't anywhere as nice as glass.
This one from Protectionfilms24.com is more up my street, old school film with cutouts only where they need to be but need to get more info on just how much "smaller than the display" it actually is.
(all screen protectors listed in this thread don't ship to my country and I'm not a big fan of colored frame either)
Last try until I give up and just use my phone without a screen protector.
Installed an " Imak Hydrogel " protector (installation requires water)... Good thing is it came with 2 pieces.
I have lot of experience with regular plastic ones and tempered glass but this is my first protector requiring water..
I've installed the first one and I had an horrible texture, when I decided to remove it I also tried to reposition it just to see if it could be better. Indeed it was but it was also already ruined by my fingerprints underneath. (it doesn't adhere to transparent tape, hard to find a way to peel it off or just reposition it)
I've then installed the spare one and is definitely better this time. Not perfect but definitely usable. I have to see how scratch prone it is and if it doesn't retain oil or fingerprints too much.
Oh yes and it is covering the whole glass edge to edge..
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I went with the Omaton (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0755DYRYQ) as previously listed. Really not a fan of the black frame bits i just dont see the need and it stops one product being used by all coloured models which seems a bit unsound in a business sense too.
Still the application and packaging and all the stickers screen wipes and so on made the process really easy and i got a dust and bubble free application and pleased with the end result and i can live with the oddly boxed Sony logo.
Omaton with the black frame fitted:
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You can see it goes past the edge of the screen, but doesn't quite meet the edge of the phone (due to curving). So unless somebody makes a shaped front piece, I think this probably going to be as good as it gets for glass.
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Omaton with the black frame fitted:
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You can see it goes past the edge of the screen, but doesn't quite meet the edge of the phone (due to curving). So unless somebody makes a shaped front piece, I think this probably going to be as good as it gets for glass.
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That looks pretty damn good.
Do you think it is still necessary to set on a Screen Protector? Because it has Gorilla Glass 5.
I come from Z1 Compact and there the only reason putting on a Screen Protector was the ugly foil sony put over the Gorilla Glass.
Does XZ1 Compact has an extra foil like the Z1 Compact?
No, Sony got rid of that film layer a couple of generations back.
No matter how many numbers they slap onto the marketing name Gorilla Glass, it's still glass.
IMO cheap glass screen protectors are still a better option than having to replace the phone's screen when the inevitable scratches accumulates past my tolerance limit, which would be extremely inconvenient and potentially costly.
My phone lives most of its days in my pocket with no other objects, and curiously still manages to get scratches on the "9H scratch resistant Gorilla Glass level tempered glass" screen protectors that I use.
Maybe it's because the screen protectors have bogus claims, but that's enough to get me wary of going full on naked. Referring to the phone, of course.
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My phone lives most of its days in my pocket with no other objects, and curiously still manages to get scratches on the "9H scratch resistant Gorilla Glass level tempered glass" screen protectors that I use.
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That's because screen protectors are plastic.
I took the film cover off my girlfriends Z1c screen two years ago, it lives in her pocket or handbag (without any other objects). It's still looks perfect and no scratches or marks. The only thing that will scratch glass is something harder than glass, which you should never get if the phone lives in a soft cloth pocket. The only time you're likely to scratch it is when you put it down and pick it up off a hard surface, like, err, concreate or a metal table
I think the primary use for screen protectors is the slightly reduced chance of the screen cracking if you drop it face down. I don't think modern gorilla glass sctraches, it just shatters.
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That's because screen protectors are plastic.
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Uh, no, there are screen protectors made out of glass. Now whether or not they are of high quality glass is another issue, which is what I was skeptical of, but there is no doubt the one I'm using (and others I've used in the past) is glass not plastic.
The last time I used plastic screen protectors was years ago, when glass screen protectors were not very common and too expensive.
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Uh, no, there are screen protectors made out of glass. Now whether or not they are of high quality glass is another issue, which is what I was skeptical of, but there is no doubt the one I'm using (and others I've used in the past) is glass not plastic.
The last time I used plastic screen protectors was years ago, when glass screen protectors were not very common and too expensive.
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Find a spare old one and put a lighter to it, it's plastic
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Find a spare old one and put a lighter to it, it's plastic
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I don't think the lighter is a foolproof way of checking, glass screen protectors actually have multiple layers with the glass portion sandwiched in-between, so depending on what the external layers are composed of, it will probably exhibit different behavior.
In any case, I don't have any spare old ones, they go straight to the trash once they're at end of life, and it's not necessary to buy extras, they're easily accessible.
Let me ask you instead, would plastic material shatter? Would it crack or chip like glass? I don't think so. But some of my previous glass screen protectors have.
There's also the feel and touch of the glass material that no plastic can ever mimic.
Maybe there aren't any real glass screen protectors where you live, but here they're abundant and extremely common, sold everywhere and in use by like everyone.
If they weren't really glass, surely someone qualified would have already exposed the scam, since they cost more than regular film screen protectors.
Unless you're working in the industry or with proof otherwise, I have a hard time believing you.
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I don't think the lighter is a foolproof way of checking, glass screen protectors actually have multiple layers with the glass portion sandwiched in-between, so depending on what the external layers are composed of, it will probably exhibit different behavior.
In any case, I don't have any spare old ones, they go straight to the trash once they're at end of life, and it's not necessary to buy extras, they're easily accessible.
Let me ask you instead, would plastic material shatter? Would it crack or chip like glass? I don't think so. But some of my previous glass screen protectors have.
There's also the feel and touch of the glass material that no plastic can ever mimic.
Maybe there aren't any real glass screen protectors where you live, but here they're abundant and extremely common, sold everywhere and in use by like everyone.
If they weren't really glass, surely someone qualified would have already exposed the scam, since they cost more than regular film screen protectors.
Unless you're working in the industry or with proof otherwise, I have a hard time believing you.
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I believe you, it's glass sandwiched in plastic, so it's still plastic on the front and not glass, it's going to scratch and look rubbish.
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I believe you, it's glass sandwiched in plastic, so it's still plastic on the front and not glass, it's going to scratch and look rubbish.
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No, I never said it was sandwiched in plastic, I said it was multilayered. That does not make it plastic or non-glass.
For example, see this breakdown for a glass screen protector from a local shop:
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I don't see any benefit to continuing the "debate", so this will be my last response to you.
If you still want to believe glass screen protectors are plastic in some way or form, feel free to believe that, but please back up your claims instead of spreading misleading information.
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My phone lives most of its days in my pocket with no other objects, and curiously still manages to get scratches on the "9H scratch resistant Gorilla Glass level tempered glass" screen protectors that I use.
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If it was glass it wouldn't get scratches. Obviously there's some sort of coating on the glass that shows marks.
Edit: so in answering the question of the thread. No I don't think you need screen protectors to stop scratches. I still have a Z1c that's had two years of no screen protector and it looks like its come out of the box. Screen protectors might reduce your chances of a broken screen if you throw it at the ground face first, but it's a small %.
Screen protectors don't make your screen look good, because even the fancy glass ones have a plastic coating that scratches and looks rubbish after no time.
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Do you think it is still necessary to set on a Screen Protector?
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ALWAYS! I've still got the plastic protector on mine as I've messed about looking for a proper protector and noticed today it's got the slightest of gouges and I've no idea how it happened. Scratch resistance isn't scratch proof and is only takes the one incident to ruin a factory installed screen forever so never take any chances with my screens.
FYI when a glass protector is labeled as 9H it doesn't mean a 9 on the mohs hardness scale. It means it claims that it's as hard as a 9H pencil
Thx 4 your feedback! i guess ill put one onto but its hard to find a good one for the silver edition
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I never bothered with proper cases on my phones, but as the Vivo is likely to need repair back in China in case of an accident, I'm looking for a way to keep it secure.
I was about to order a screen protector but seems it comes with one attached already.
While the case looks great, I'm not confident it does much to protect the phone if it falls. Looking at ebay and amazon gives me a couple of options, but not much choice - have any of you bought a case, and if so, which one?
The most exposed part at risk of scratches is the camera unit. Ideally I would like a tempered glass protector with cutouts rather than covering the lenses with a full glass piece, but seems it doesn't exist for the Vivo yet
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Thought of one of these, but wondering if it will cover the laser.
the laser should be cutout - those pictures are wrong from what others have been delivered. Luckily the flash is not in the module - because otherwise this metal protector would destroy any picture with flash as flash through a cutout still gives reflextions.
Quite a few people had horrible pictures on other phones and diddn't realise it happens because of auto flash and reflection from the lens protection back onto the sensor.
There is no Spigen case for the X90 Pro+.
I don't trust cases without air pockets (or two part cases with inner foam/outer carbon/aramaid) - and the case I have a silicon case with airpockets has horrible haptics - as the airpockets stick out - so other stuff in my pockets often gets stuck on them. Also makes for sharp edges... It feels pretty safe for protection but is too bulky...
Also the screen protector is low quality. it scratches very easily and has problems sticking onto the phone in subzero humid conditions.
And yeah - for my use I need something covering the space inbetween the lenses - just a cutout like the original cover even if more elevated I will surely scratch the camera cover glas.
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the laser should be cutout - those pictures are wrong from what others have been delivered. Luckily the flash is not in the module - because otherwise this metal protector would destroy any picture with flash as flash through a cutout still gives reflextions.
Quite a few people had horrible pictures on other phones and diddn't realise it happens because of auto flash and reflection from the lens protection back onto the sensor.
There is no Spigen case for the X90 Pro+.
I don't trust cases without air pockets (or two part cases with inner foam/outer carbon/aramaid) - and the case I have a silicon case with airpockets has horrible haptics - as the airpockets stick out - so other stuff in my pockets often gets stuck on them. Also makes for sharp edges... It feels pretty safe for protection but is too bulky...
Also the screen protector is low quality. it scratches very easily and has problems sticking onto the phone in subzero humid conditions.
And yeah - for my use I need something covering the space inbetween the lenses - just a cutout like the original cover even if more elevated I will surely scratch the camera cover glas.
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At first I didn't realise it had a screen protector and was shocked to see micro scratches after simply dusting it off.
Will try to find a better quality protector and my search for a more secure case continues
UV film protectors are recommended in China for screen protection. They are hard to get outside China I guess in the right cut however.
Because yes the default one really is low quality. If I would not plan to sell this phone as soon as possible I would have ripped it off already.
I have this one installed.
I didn't want to make a separate thread and didn't see anything about it---but is there a screen protector on from factory?
Mine definitely has a film on it... but I tried for 5 minutes trying to pick at it to install a glass protector. Couldn't even get it to lift (being extra careful 'cause it's REALLY on there).
As for body I bought quite a few from aliexpress. I'm a fan of the aramid fiber ones but they don't offer that much protection in reality. Just wish they were magnetic capable like the pitaka cases.
@o4komodo Yes, in my experience, all Chinese smartphones come with a screen protector pre-installed. Keep in mind that aftermarket screen protectors can negatively affect the ultrasonic fingerprint sensor.
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@o4komodo Yes, in my experience, all Chinese smartphones come with a screen protector pre-installed. Keep in mind that aftermarket screen protectors can negatively affect the ultrasonic fingerprint sensor.
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Oh yeah forgot that was a thing.
I put my glass screen over the phone (with the original screen protector and under film on) and it won't register. (not a good test since it has 2 plastic films to go through before the glass) Don't want to risk removing the films and applying the glass in case the fingerprint sensor doesn't work.
I do have two types though. The traditional one and the one that requries UV curing.
The film that comes with the phone is crap. Scratches in no time, cheap plastic.
I ordered some hard wearing protective film through ebay
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The film that comes with the phone is crap. Scratches in no time, cheap plastic.
I ordered some hard wearing protective film through ebay
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Tried picking at it for a while with my finger nail while being careful. It didn't wanna come off.
Did you use film or glass for your new screen protector? I only have glass. I know it's usually okay for Samsung. Hopefully it'll be the same here.
I received my new screen protector - absolute rubbish, threw it straight in the bin as it can bend to follow the curvature of the screen. And fingerprint not working.
Must be a scam:
Did you re scan your finger after applying the protector? Found a post about the S21u and sS23u that had same issue and majority was down to that. Or to straight up get a hydrogel one.
Seems ultrasonic fingerprint readers and screen protectors don't like each other and cause a few issues anyway according to what they're all saying over there
Didn't bother trying as the item doesn't fit at all
The only kind of screen protectors recommended for the Ultra Sonic fingerprint reader are simple foils, or UV tempered glass protectors (those you put the glue below, press on the glass, then use a UV light to cure them on).
Or use a spray on/glue protector - or nothing. Because yeah the default one is rubbish and scratches very easily / even worse than scratches are roughed spots that decrease the display visibility much more which appear with use.
If it doesn't come off - put your phone in a humid bag into the fridge. Hiking in humind climate around 0° the original protector always gets loose.
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The only kind of screen protectors recommended for the Ultra Sonic fingerprint reader are simple foils, or UV tempered glass protectors (those you put the glue below, press on the glass, then use a UV light to cure them on).
Or use a spray on/glue protector - or nothing. Because yeah the default one is rubbish and scratches very easily / even worse than scratches are roughed spots that decrease the display visibility much more which appear with use.
If it doesn't come off - put your phone in a humid bag into the fridge. Hiking in humind climate around 0° the original protector always gets loose.
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Guess the glass is hard wearing so will take my chances.
Was thinking; since the X90 pro is sold in Europe, do you think it's possible to get them to do a repair (ie lens cover crack) instead of sending back to China? Lens cover size looks the same as the pro. Even a light scratch can ruin the image quality.
Hopefully won't be necessary
From what I heard before vivo Europe doesn't handle Chinese devices, except if you get vivo China to initiate it (by chatting in Chinese with a vivo rep in China).
I'm not sure how hard the lens surface is. I don't think it's really hard glass. It's quite frustrating there is no single case I think that isn't either huge or unsafe. There is a case like the stock one with camera cover but like stock it doesn't have air pockets. Found a case with not sticking out air pockets but it misses any cover on the lense. And then there are covers with air pockets but they stick out and are uncomfortable/get caught easily... And no I don't trust single piece aramid covers. Good ones consisting of outside with rubber inside don't exist either....
Did any of you guys manage to find a decent screen protector in the end?
I just got a better case with a higher lip protecting the camera module. As always, after a few weeks owning a new phone, I am more relaxed
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0BPMSS2MM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1
Haskren said:
I just got a better case with a higher lip protecting the camera module. As always, after a few weeks owning a new phone, I am more relaxed
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0BPMSS2MM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1
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I'm wearing this one and it's very comfortable and won't stain
https://amzn.eu/d/9Pl1hiA
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I'm wearing this one and it's very comfortable and won't stain
https://amzn.eu/d/9Pl1hiA
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Ah yes, saw that. I just think it covers up what is otherwise a beautiful phone. But optimal protection!