not sure if it's too early to ask this yet, but is there already a root method that doesn't trip knox or whatever thing that can void the warranty?
dn3g3l said:
not sure if it's too early to ask this yet, but is there already a root method that doesn't trip knox or whatever thing that can void the warranty?
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Short answer, no.
We all know t mobile don't check for root so why bother yourself with this
g3 soon to be NOTE 4
its all these IBone converts that are flocking to this phone..
They're so used to Apple telling them what they can and can not do, that they dont yet know how to handle the freedom of Android/T-Mobile..
i'm just going to assume you're directing that at someone else. i've been using using android for quite some time. there was no knox when i rooted my phone before.
i don't buy insurance from tmobile so they won't be the one that's handling my warranty issues if something happens.
Like the OP, I refuse to waste money on Carrier insurance, and my previous phones did not have Knox. So it remains an important issue if you are relying on Samsung warranty. It's clear that existing root will trip Knox. My question is - what is the chance that there will be a root that does not trip knox in the future. Is it worth waiting or is knox considered to be bulletproof?
Edit: and no, I never owned an iPhone, and all my Androids have been rooted so far.
From what I read nobody has been able to break the Knox that Samsung share this knowledge with Google.
If the phone died and no fault of your own, Samsung will not take it back even if Knox is tripped?
Im not expert but I think that Samsung has to have a way to remove " tripped Knox flag " or any phone with hardware failure and Knox flag tripped would have no resale value if, for example, usb port is replaced.
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dn3g3l said:
not sure if it's too early to ask this yet, but is there already a root method that doesn't trip knox or whatever thing that can void the warranty?
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it IS too early to ask; the phone has been out for a few days, so if you're paranoid about rooting because of tripping Knox, you'll have to just wait around and see, or develop an exploit and share it with the rest of the folks who feel they need it..
I've given back a Note 2 and a Note 3, KNOX wasn't out for Note 2 but it was rooted. Note 3 had a counter of like 12, as stated above, T-Mobile doesn't check.
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We all know t mobile don't check for root so why bother yourself with this
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This couldn't be any more true. I've rooted every phone I've had with them that could be rooted and never once had them turn me down for an exchange or replacement unit. Hell I think I replaced my old one s maybe seven or eight times over the years I had it and I even stopped flashing it back to stock and just sent it back. Not like it's super hard for them to clean it all back up to stock.
I'm certain that when you return a phone to most vendors, they just throw it into the "defect" pile, and those phones either gets wiped and re-imaged, or they send them to some 3rd party who buys them cheap and does that on their own.
after spending many years as a director of sales for a consumer electronics company, I know how expensive it is to try and inspect/repair returns, so I cant imagine that Samsung/t mobile/att and who ever else even bothers to look at them.
If you think about the thousands of phones coming back as returns every day, handling them any more than absolutely necessary is a major losing proposition for these companies, and they only care about profit. When you return your rooted/knoxed/bricked phone, they NEVER repair it, you just get a new or rebuilt one sent out to you.
But hey, if you want to worry about tripping Knox or sending in a rooted phone, and that you will be in trouble/charged/punished for that, then you just go ahead and keep thinking that!:cyclops::cyclops:
By week 2 we should have about 8 of these threads. Should have at least 2 about triangle away and a few about screen saturated.
NOTE 4
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By week 2 we should have about 8 of these threads. Should have at least 2 about triangle away and a few about screen saturated.
NOTE 4
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@BACARDILIMON it wont even take that long!
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Samsung Knox 2.0 brings two-factor authentication and better sandboxing
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You may have thought that you could get away from more Samsung news after the tsunami of Galaxy S5 coverage, but Samsung never strays too far from the headlines in the mobile world. During the S5 announcement, Samsung promised a new version of its Knox security would be unveiled, and now we know what to expect. Not surprisingly, Knox 2.0 leverages the Galaxy S5's new fingerprint scanner, and offers quite a bit more for the enterprise crowd.
The new version of Knox will offer a special treat for those who grab the new Galaxy S5 by allowing users to set up two-factor authentication on their devices. This would mean needing to both scan your fingerprint and enter your password to access your data. Samsung also has plenty of new features for those with older devices, and many focus on making management easier for both users and the IT department.
Users get better sandboxing, so you can set up separate containers for different jobs or multiple locations or even as a way to separate your work data from personal data. It has also been made easier to get the apps you want and need. Now, any apps that support Android's multi-user framework can be installed into a secure container.
On the enterprise management side, there is a new cloud-based console for IT admins to keep control of devices, user accounts, access, and apps. The system now supports iOS devices in addition to Android as well. Samsung has also set up a new Knox Marketplace, where businesses can discover and install Knox services.
Samsung has been pushing hard to gain more share of the enterprise market, but the numbers are difficult to parse. Samsung has said that it has sold 25 million devices with Knox since it first launched in , but there are only 1 million active users. It also reported 210,000 new activations each month. Knox 2.0 will be rolling out in Q2 of 2014 and will require Android 4.4.
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Any words???
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Samsung Knox 2.0 brings two-factor authentication and better sandboxing
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Any words???
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Goodbye Knox 0x0 root for ever.\
Bye SAMMY
I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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Goodbye Knox 0x0 root for ever.\
Bye SAMMY
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bdithug said:
I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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Nobody ever said that you can't root or that you lose your warranty.
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Nobody ever said that you can't root or that you lose your warranty.
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Are you sure? I'm pretty sure if you trip your Knox counter, your warranty is void.
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Are you sure? I'm pretty sure if you trip your Knox counter, your warranty is void.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50219902&postcount=1983
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50219902&postcount=1983
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That was in the EU though. Samsung Canada or North America might have different policy.
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I knew six months ago that any new Galaxy phone I upgrade to, will be a Google Play Edition only.
That or the Developer edition. Either should be easier to root/ROM.
AT&T and Verizon are for sure locked down. No AOSP ROM's at all.
Not sure about Sprint or T-Mobile?
Just went to best buy and spoke with a Samsung agent from their Samsung department. Rooting your phone does void your warranty here in Canada and most likely the US as well.
Screw samsung
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I ditched my s4 before the 4.2 update to avoid Knox. I am no fan of any device I can not root/recovery and then return it to factory state.
Loving life in nexus land.
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Just went to best buy and spoke with a Samsung agent from their Samsung department. Rooting your phone does void your warranty here in Canada and most likely the US as well.
Screw samsung
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It'll probably be the same for all except maybe Motorola and Sony dev editions.
bdithug said:
I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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Yeah, I said the same thing. I ended up leaving VZW for Tmo (the ETF payoff thingy) and their Note 3 has unlocked bootloader. Basically a developers edition.
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CZ Eddie said:
I knew six months ago that any new Galaxy phone I upgrade to, will be a Google Play Edition only.
That or the Developer edition. Either should be easier to root/ROM.
AT&T and Verizon are for sure locked down. No AOSP ROM's at all.
Not sure about Sprint or T-Mobile?
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lol ill repeat myself... thats the same thing I said as well before switching to Tmo and getting their Note 3 which has unlocked bootloader. Basically a developers edition.
bdithug said:
I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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because you can't brick your computer unless you do stupid things with your motherboard bios or whatever.
bdithug said:
I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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+1.
What is a device that do not provide me the way I wanted it to. I truly believe the very popularity of the Samsung is not just for their heavy Touchwiz UI but it provides the customization to the user to use it as they wish.
I never will let Samsung decide how I have to use my phone and it is me who should think what I have to do with my phone.
All that I say is Samsung S5 is Sorry5, Goodbye5, Sucks5 and Knox -5
I don't see what the big deal about Knox is.?? I don't have it but if I did and I have to do a warranty exchange, I'll hard brick it by flashing a bad rom etc. They can't tell it's been flashed or rooted if it won't turn on right?
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They can't tell it's been flashed or rooted if it won't turn on right?
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If they can boot it to download mode they can see the Knox flag so that won't work. And to anyone who said that Knox won't void your warranty in Europe etc.... Are you ready to take Samsung to court just to prove a point? They have voided warranties for custom stuff before and even though many countries have strong consumer laws, you would most likely have to sue Samsung. That would cost more time and money than most people have just to get a warranty repair/replacement.
Plus Samsung isn't the only manufacturer who's doing this. Sony has began locking their bootloaders and it's getting more and more difficult to unlock+root their phones without leaving traces. Same applies to HTC who have an "unlocked" flag for unlocked bootloaders. And LG is catching up etc.
Basically Samsung or not, the days of rooting + flashing without issues are gone. That's just how it is now.
If you want a phone to toy around, get a Nexus or be prepared to take responsibility of your device even if the fault isn't yours.
I never cared for warranty stuff,as far as I'm concerned, Knox can kiss my a$$.
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If they can boot it to download mode they can see the Knox flag so that won't work. And to anyone who said that Knox won't void your warranty in Europe etc.... Are you ready to take Samsung to court just to prove a point? They have voided warranties for custom stuff before and even though many countries have strong consumer laws, you would most likely have to sue Samsung. That would cost more time and money than most people have just to get a warranty repair/replacement.
Plus Samsung isn't the only manufacturer who's doing this. Sony has began locking their bootloaders and it's getting more and more difficult to unlock+root their phones without leaving traces. Same applies to HTC who have an "unlocked" flag for unlocked bootloaders. And LG is catching up etc.
Basically Samsung or not, the days of rooting + flashing without issues are gone. That's just how it is now.
If you want a phone to toy around, get a Nexus or be prepared to take responsibility of your device even if the fault isn't yours.
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True... but cut the wires off your USB charger so they're exposed. do the same on an old power cord, connect 'em and plug it in... oh, wear some rubber gloves while you do this "Hey man, the damned thing just COMBUSTED in my hand!"
(Actually, would be better with something like 24V... enough to fry the main board but not enough to generate TOO much outward hints)
Just a out of curiosity how many times you guys used your warranty for one of your phones? I have been owning phones since 2000, and I never used my warranty once..
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Just a out of curiosity how many times you guys used your warranty for one of your phones? I have been owning phones since 2000, and I never used my warranty once..
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I've never done so on the manufacturer's warranty, it's always been on the insurance my carrier offers, I've done that a couple of times. They don't (or at least, never have) cared about root or warranty flags or any of that.
I know ive heard that knox is here to stay on the note 4 forums but the galaxy s6 has root without tripping knox i just wanted to start a discussion on this matter and ask the simple question....
If it can be done on s6 why not note 4 ....
Now ive already tripped knox and probably dont care if i ever have a clean knox but i know there's plenty of people who would love to root but cant because they need knox... I just dont see how it can be as cut and dry as the note 4 forums have portrayed. It can be done obviously so is it a lack of necessity becuase so many have already tripped knox that they just arent interested in working it out or what.
I kno its been talked about before but not that ive seen has it ever been rationalized that the s6 has it why not us
why does knox even matter? most of the CS reps dont check KNOX and it isn't required other than for business purposes.
Well thats exactly where it does matter to the rest of us its absolutely pointless we don't care..but I've seen at least a few threads of users asking about it. So it has to matter to some users. And hell usualky just the thrill of the chase is reason enough to modify something to suit our needs after all isnt that why we all root and mod our phones , becuse we can..
And ultimately just interested in why it hasnt been done yet. Seeing it usually done on most other phones.. Plain curiosity i guess. Because it doesn't matter to me i would never utilize anything knox offers
Note 4 is not S5 or S6. Its different with a lot of scripting things. Not sure about this whole "chase" thing you mention. A lot of us here aren't into being criminals or feeling a thrill out of it, just wanting to modify our phones and have freedom to do so. Has nothing to do with being able to get away with it, etc. Retaining KNOX would be nice, but I don't think that's why a majority of the users are trying to do it
I have no idea where your taking things but way out in keft field obviously
I know exactly why we all mod our phones ive been here for quite a long time i never said anything remotely close to anything' criminal and am annoyed at someone implying i was. And as are all mankinds endeavors these are a challenge we rise to becuase we can thats what i meant. You really should be sure of the lines your reading in between before implying things
I was merely interested to know why its not been done in the note which is the most business savvy of all the galaxy line and you would think since knox is a corporate or business feature for the most part tthe business oriented phone would be the one to do it to
Michael Scott would be disappointed in you
My note 4 has a tripped knox, the GPS seems to be defective and since I'm not with the t mobile, I can't take it to the mobile for warranty. Samsung wouldn't take it, Or would they? Anyone have experience?
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Odin to stock + factory reset has worked for us every time.
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I was merely interested to know why its not been done in the note which is the most business savvy of all the galaxy line and you would think since knox is a corporate or business feature for the most part tthe business oriented phone would be the one to do it to
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Simple answer: The Galaxy S6 had a kernel exploit, the Note 4 did not. You cannot just will an exploit into existence, you either find one, or you don't.
Also, for wanting or needing knox intact on your phone for business needs or whatever, you will want to be aware that rooted S6 users with intact knox will have to stay on 5.0.1 forever, or until a new exploit is found. I am sure any smart businesses incorporating knox would ask you to kindly update your S6, saying bye bye to your root.
T-Mobile don't care about knox being tripped.
I just want a quick answer as I keep finding people claiming to be able to root t-mobile s6 sm-g920t ver. 5.1.1. I cannot find anything to support this without a lot of headaches, much less being able to find and download needed files for root.
Can I successfully root this Samsung Galaxy s6 SM-G920t?
Or should I go back to my HTC phone?
Thanks,
chevy383surfing
FYI: I got this phone yesterday as a promotional and did not have to pay for it. I have always strayed away from Samsung because of all the hassles involved in rooting any Samsung device over the course of the last 10 years or maybe a little less. As soon as I signed in to my Google account the damned phone automatically updated. "Thanks for the options Samsung!!! I didn't have any choice but to go through with the update.
Yes, you can root it easily but you will void your warranty by tripping Knox.
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Yes, you can root it easily but you will void your warranty by tripping Knox.
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I am not worried about warranties. I root all of my android devices. I pay the phone companies a lot of money every month. I usually buy all my devices straight out too. So Samsung can do what they need to, as long as they stay out of my way, I will stay out of their way. Anyway, my other main concern is all the calling problems and the finger print phone lock. Will these break regardless?
Thanks for the fast reply, too!
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I am not worried about warranties. I root all of my android devices. I pay the phone companies a lot of money every month. I usually buy all my devices straight out too. So Samsung can do what they need to, as long as they stay out of my way, I will stay out of their way. Anyway, my other main concern is all the calling problems and the finger print phone lock. Will these break regardless?
Thanks for the fast reply, too!
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The only downside to rooting the latest firmware versions is you cannot use Samsung Pay with Knox tripped. Other than that, I haven't experienced calling problems or any issues with the fingerprint reader. Haven't heard of call problems as a result of rooting but the fingerprint sensor not working was a result of using the engineering bootloader (to maintain Knox warranty status) on a previous firmware release.
Hi,
I bought my note 8 directly from Sammy and was wondering if rooting will effect my plan.
My plan is a little over 30 pounds a month and after two years the phone becomes mine but after one year I can return this phone and get a note 9 but I am not sure if I still can swap this note 8 for a note 9 after I break Knox and root it.
Does anyone know if I can root and not get in trouble when swapping phones ?
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Hi,
I bought my note 8 directly from Sammy and was wondering if rooting will effect my plan.
My plan is a little over 30 pounds a month and after two years the phone becomes mine but after one year I can return this phone and get a note 9 but I am not sure if I still can swap this note 8 for a note 9 after I break Knox and root it.
Does anyone know if I can root and not get in trouble when swapping phones ?
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Good question, I'm on the Samsung upgrade plan also but in USA.
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Bump.
Ease of someone knows how this works then please let us know.
If you have to specifically pay through samsung pay then you cant root as samsung pay will no longer work
I am not talking about Samsung pay the app.
I am talking about the phone.
Bump! Rooting phone will not affect upgrade plan... Just un-root it before change it with ur service provider... or re-install stock rom before swap. Selling phone on the other hand wouldn't be fair to those who using Samsung Pay or other NFC payed options... But that is not the issue for ur quest..., just saying...
Jess no one understands what I am trying to say ?
I bought the phone from Samsung and have to pay them around 30 pounds a month.
This phone did not come from a service provider...
Just flashing stock ain't gonna fool Samsung when the phone is returned as there is something called Knox.
But forget my question as I already rooted and flashed custom Rom.
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Jess no one understands what I am trying to say ?
I bought the phone from Samsung and have to pay them around 30 pounds a month.
This phone did not come from a service provider...
Just flashing stock ain't gonna fool Samsung when the phone is returned as there is something called Knox.
But forget my question as I already rooted and flashed custom Rom.
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I didn't see anything in the ToS about rooting, mostly about damage, maybe it does come under damage though as Knox is an e-Fuse that's destroyed upon flashing custom recovery..
However I don't think they care that much as it's a simple fix for them. I guess no one knows for sure though unless they've done it themselves. maybe ask on the S8 forum incase someone who had the S8 on the upgrade program rooted & then upgraded to Note 8. (if you still would like to know)
My verdict is I don't think it matters... However I've not flashed mine :laugh:
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I didn't see anything in the ToS about rooting, mostly about damage, maybe it does come under damage though as Knox is an e-Fuse that's destroyed upon flashing custom recovery..
However I don't think they care that much as it's a simple fix for them. I guess no one knows for sure though unless they've done it themselves. maybe ask on the S8 forum incase someone who had the S8 on the upgrade program rooted & then upgraded to Note 8. (if you still would like to know)
My verdict is I don't think it matters... However I've not flashed mine :laugh:
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Ha u understood me :laugh:
Thanks for the reply.
Hi all.
I'm asking this question because a friend of mine told me that he knows someone who could crack and unlock pretty much any phone's anything, for a price.
Just the other day, my friend took back his phone from another person (why he took it back is another story) who had been using that phone of his. So obviously before my friend could use it he'd need to factory-reset it. But at the last step the phone asked him for the email password of the previous user, the person he took the phone back from. Instead of contacting that person, he sent his phone to the... well, hacker. Then the next day he went to take it back and it was unlocked already! He paid about 40 dollars for it.
How?!
He also told me the hacker could even crack or bypass iPhone X's lock screen, but that would cost about 500 dollars. For Note 8's lock screen, he said he could do it with his eyes closed.
So what is all this?? Is all this possible?
And Knox? Is there really some way to crack Knox?
Please enlighten me. Thank you.
About knox, there is no way to reset it once tripped, because it is a fuse, (an e-fuse), I know
that cracking the lock screen can be done, but it involves resetting the phone
The topic question is about NOT tripping Knox while cracking it. Whether there is such a way, or tool. Because I was told by someone that someone else could do it.
Cracking the lock screen can be done but involves resetting phone? Reset how?
Love stories when it's pertaining to someone knew someone that could or did something. My neighbors friends daughters step dad's uncle Ron, reckons he can hack any phone including bypassing Knox.
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I'm not saying I believe it. That's why I'm asking here. I wouldn't have if I believed. At least explain how he cracked the FRP.
So I'm taking your response as "no, Knox can't be hacked".
Next person.
Knox is made as it is for this exactly purpose, you can get through it, yes, but leaves the trace 0x1, which means someone tampered with it, so the owner(individuals or corporations) can know for sure it has been compromised, and take the adecuate meassures about it, as for unlocking a device without the propper passwords or biometrics, that is something that can be done, but nobody even knowing how-to do it, will teach you how to do it here, as it could provide a way for potentially illegal practices, and try not to be so adammant in yor post
Lol and I'm not even asking to be taught how to do it. I'm only asking to know whether there is or isn't such a way (or ways). That would already be satisfying. Because right now something that I trust a lot (Knox) is, apparently, crackable. I of course wouldn't believe what I was told so easily, and so I'm here.
What I'm saying is that I understand pretty well how Knox works, and I know what I'm looking for. I'm just here requesting input from anyone who might know a bit about this topic, and I thank anyone who responds.
Well, you got the answer, no, there is no way to crack it without showing 0x1, that's it
Yes, I want to believe "no" as well. And that's what I'd believe for now. I also personally do not think it's possible. But considering it was coming from someone who cracked the FRP....... That was what made me to make the effort to start this thread.
OP, you've raised a few different issues here...password unlocking and Knox...
Knox can't be reversed once tripped, period. Fuse-based or something similar to that anyways, no way to undo that.
Breaking lockscreen passwords in another matter entirely...I'm sure you could Google that but I don't think it's appropriate for discussion here.
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OP, you've raised a few different issues here...password unlocking and Knox...
Knox can't be reversed once tripped, period. Fuse-based or something similar to that anyways, no way to undo that.
Breaking lockscreen passwords in another matter entirely...I'm sure you could Google that but I don't think it's appropriate for discussion here.
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I understand tripped Knox can't be reversed. I know. And if a hack attempt trips it, then the hack has failed. But my question here is whether it's at all possible (even theoretically) to crack Knox without tripping it.
Yes. Lockscreen can be bypassed or broken. But what about FRP? My friend's phone's FRP has just been broken. Hmm...
Discussions about knox have been around in xda for years, no, there is no way around it, never have been, I doubt there will ever be, as it would render samsung pay as not trustworthy, that is why tje e-fuse is a physical security flag
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I understand tripped Knox can't be reversed. I know. And if a hack attempt trips it, then the hack has failed. But my question here is whether it's at all possible (even theoretically) to crack Knox without tripping it.
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Ok I understand now... Anything is possible in theory I suppose, but if anyone ever cracked enterprise-grade security like Knox it would essentially render it useless for all (because it could no longer be considered secure). Samsung has millions of dollars, if not more, riding on preventing exactly that. No one has cracked it yet, and it has only become more secure over time...so I doubt they ever will.
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Discussions about knox have been around in xda for years, no, there is no way around it, never have been, I doubt there will ever be, as it would render samsung pay as not trustworthy, that is why tje e-fuse is a physical security flag
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Ok I understand now... Anything is possible in theory I suppose, but if anyone ever cracked enterprise-grade security like Knox it would essentially render it useless for all (because it could no longer be considered secure). Samsung has millions of dollars, if not more, riding on preventing exactly that. No one has cracked it yet, and it has only become more secure over time...so I doubt they ever will.
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Thanks. The ways both of you put it make lots of sense. I'm regaining my confidence. After all, Knox is something that has gained the approval of many governments and organizations around the world and is declared fit for government work.
Then again, I learned that the Snapdragon Note 8 could be rooted without tripping Knox right? (Is this still the case?) Does this mean anything in terms of Knox security? (Mine is an Exynos by the way, and AFAIK Exynos Note 8 doesn't have this issue.)
Lastly, well... this concern isn't exclusive to Knox because any security system may have yet-to-be-discovered potential exploitable flaws, but Knox also has its share of flaws in the past, such as http://www.wired.co.uk/article/samsung-knox-security-vulnerabilities. I guess we can't really do anything about this individually.
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Thanks. The ways both of you put it make lots of sense. I'm regaining my confidence. After all, Knox is something that has gained the approval of many governments and organizations around the world and is declared fit for government work.
Then again, I learned that the Snapdragon Note 8 could be rooted without tripping Knox right? (Is this still the case?) Does this mean anything in terms of Knox security? (Mine is an Exynos by the way, and AFAIK Exynos Note 8 doesn't have this issue.)
Lastly, well... this concern isn't exclusive to Knox because any security system may have yet-to-be-discovered potential exploitable flaws, but Knox also has its share of flaws in the past, such as http://www.wired.co.uk/article/samsung-knox-security-vulnerabilities. I guess we can't really do anything about this individually.
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Most of the Note 8 Snapdragon variants have a locked bootloader, so the root method is different there and do not affect Knox as far as I know. Other differences though, like not being able to charge past 80%, etc. Exynos bootloaders are not locked and use the standard root methods.
Hello all i think i have managed to turn off the samsung secure boot. i can write to the recovery without blowing the bootloader fuse i tried write the s8 snapdragon twrp to my recovery in past always just getting secure boot fuse blown resulting in having to odin
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back to samfail v3. Somehow this time all i get is a screen saying please take phone to att authorized retailer we knoticed you have unauthorized software on recovery. I reboot phone boots back into the pre rooted stock rom samfail v3. My knox is not tripped i also can do full back up and restore on flashfire pro no problems all partitions i was to afraid do bootloader partitions but can all the other protected ones modem efs ect. Am i losing my mind or is something going on here i have the full backups 6 gig worth saved so if so maybe someone more qualified can look at it.
Cash that i odin it back samfail v3 if only that easy
Just throwing in my 2 cents...
I believe there is a hack whereby the kernel is replaced when rooted. This will show that KNOX Warranty void is 0x0...
In reality KNOX has been triggered and Samsung pay won't work but the bootloader screen does say that KNOX hasn't been tampered with. Flashing a stock rom with ODIIN will reveal this trick however...
sefrcoko said:
Most of the Note 8 Snapdragon variants have a locked bootloader, so the root method is different there and do not affect Knox as far as I know. Other differences though, like not being able to charge past 80%, etc. Exynos bootloaders are not locked and use the standard root methods.
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What I meant was if rooting could be done undetected by Knox, essentially does that mean Knox has... failed?
smokeyb4201 said:
Hello all i think i have managed to turn off the samsung secure boot. i can write to the recovery without blowing the bootloader fuse i tried write the s8 snapdragon twrp to my recovery in past always just getting secure boot fuse blown resulting in having to odin
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back to samfail v3. Somehow this time all i get is a screen saying please take phone to att authorized retailer we knoticed you have unauthorized software on recovery. I reboot phone boots back into the pre rooted stock rom samfail v3. My knox is not tripped i also can do full back up and restore on flashfire pro no problems all partitions i was to afraid do bootloader partitions but can all the other protected ones modem efs ect. Am i losing my mind or is something going on here i have the full backups 6 gig worth saved so if so maybe someone more qualified can look at it.
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smokeyb4201 said:
Cash that i odin it back samfail v3 if only that easy
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All this is beyond me as I don't have knowledge of those inner workings of them.
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Just throwing in my 2 cents...
I believe there is a hack whereby the kernel is replaced when rooted. This will show that KNOX Warranty void is 0x0...
In reality KNOX has been triggered and Samsung pay won't work but the bootloader screen does say that KNOX hasn't been tampered with. Flashing a stock rom with ODIIN will reveal this trick however...
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One of Knox's primary jobs is to monitor and protect the kernel, no?
I guess if in reality Knox has still been tripped then Knox has done its job...
No I have a Knox checker it says Knox is valid and see linux is in permissive. I'm on a att n950U but my stock recovery is for a n950X but I can load it and be rooted . I assume all v3 samfails are same.