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Knox - will you still buy or not?

Just a poll,
Since the release of knox to the consumer. And the fact it's affecting many people with warranty and ability to use custom rom or kernels without having further issues on their mind.
Will this affect your decision on buying the phone or not?
Please don't start with the 'your in the s5 forum so there's your answer' this is a pre-release forum.
Stick to the topic a simple yes or no with an explanation is enough
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I'd have to think about it, KNOX has no use for me personally but at the moment I've got GPE rom on my S4 and I'm liking stock android. I'd have to see what the S5 offers in terms of features and such before I decide whether to upgrade or not and see what the competition offers I'm in no rush this time as the S4 is still a very good phone.

Knox is an immediate no for me. Att note 3 and locked bootloader is a nightmare in my opinion.
I guess for the normal consumer it's fine, us rooters and flashers have no need for it though.
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Modders will find a way to root without tripping Knox. They always do.

I hate Knox! It's keeping me away from getting a samsung device
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If the bootloader is locked Samsung and At&t can suck it.
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well since i left my S4 for the G2 i will not go back, my Verizon s4 with a locked bootloader was annoying. I traded someone my S4 for the G2 with a cracked screen and bought a screen and fixed it. Also with devices with locked bootloaders its going to limit the development for custom Roms and what not.

Why the heck would I ever upgrade to a product that forces me to use their crappy, bloated ROM making it either impossible or very difficult to change out for my needs? No, Samsung has not even heard us in our cry for a more friendly phone that we F'ing own. LET US CUSTOMIZE OUR OWN STUFF! There's a reason their sales are dropping too. Like me, other IT professionals are recommending other brands that don't force push updates that can either brick (talking about a completely stock non-rooted, non-loki'd GS4), or turn the phone into a hand held heater.

peanutbutter_rooter said:
Why the heck would I ever upgrade to a product that forces me to use their crappy, bloated ROM making it either impossible or very difficult to change out for my needs? No, Samsung has not even heard us in our cry for a more friendly phone that we F'ing own. LET US CUSTOMIZE OUR OWN STUFF! There's a reason their sales are dropping too. Like me, other IT professionals are recommending other brands that don't force push updates that can either brick (talking about a completely stock non-rooted, non-loki'd GS4), or turn the phone into a hand held heater.
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Nobody is forcing u to do anything.. u can buy it, root it, install custom roms. Just ur warranty will be void like the case with all other OEM. Remember that samsung devices have unlocled bootloaders which makes it easier. I dont understand whats ur problem?
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After having the s2, skyrocket, s3, and s4, the Knox implementation has made me make the switch.
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I just bought a nexus 5 and retired my at&t s4(it was MDL build so I can flash custom recoveries/kernels). I don't know if I'll get an s5 or not. Probably not and I'll wait to see the g2 pro or the g3.
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Nop.. I ditched my S4 for a G2.. Samsung was great back in the S2 S3 days. Thing about it is that Samsung is doing things for us harder and you know that future updates and with the S5 it will be harder than KNOX.

georgesmh said:
Nobody is forcing u to do anything.. u can buy it, root it, install custom roms. Just ur warranty will be void like the case with all other OEM. Remember that samsung devices have unlocled bootloaders which makes it easier. I dont understand whats ur problem?
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The fact you may be refused warranty for hardware faults for having a custom software and also considering the option to resell in the future. Where the next person may require the device for enterprise it would not be possible due to the tripped flag
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georgesmh said:
Nobody is forcing u to do anything.. u can buy it, root it, install custom roms. Just ur warranty will be void like the case with all other OEM. Remember that samsung devices have unlocled bootloaders which makes it easier. I dont understand whats ur problem?
Sent from Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1
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I'd say samsung instead of trying to convert its devices into enterprise devices and fail the way blackberry did, they should separate the consumer line from enterprise. The fact that the knox flag can't be reverted back is dumb as it is. Surely, they can have their own "warranty" flag and void warranty based on that, but when the warranty flag is also the "enterprise" flag it becomes kind of absurd. Because the user can simply revert to official software and be eligible for enterprise security regardless of the ROM/Kernels that have been run in the past, only as long as he is running stock stuff. Yet, tripping knox makes the device not eligible for the enterprise.
Like st3chn0 said, warranty should not be related to the device being eligible to participate in a knox enterprise environment.
Or at least that's what I get from it, if you can still use knox on an enterprise with the knox flag tripped, then I stand corrected.

whats better? Google nexus 5? or Samsung s5?

Problably not, its not about Knox itself its more about the trend of locking my... Hardware down. If they want to to do that I like them to have two lines, I think they will loose sales if they loose the community.
I won't buy and probably not my friends, the phone of the day is mostly about mouth to mouth commercials
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I've realised in the way the xda community moves same happens to the wider community after a while maybe a year or two later..... Though Samsung may not feel the effect of people of this community leaving they will in the future
With phones these days it really has become a thing like sheep where one follows another.. I remember having the first galaxy whilst everyone else had been either with HTC, I phone or blackberry now I barely see anyone with one of them around
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I'm buying it, KNOX didn't slow me down on the GN3 and honestly it was the first device I didn't root or worry about rooting. Was a great device overall.

Nexus 6 for me. FU Samsung and any other company with a locked bootloader.
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Bataga said:
Nexus 6 for me. FU Samsung and any other company with a locked bootloader.
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But they don't have a locked bootloader. Carriers lock the bootloaders, not samsung :\

I can only imagine how long this bootloader is going to take to be cracked.

I wonder how long it will take XDA's best minds to unlock this bootloader. Seems like Samsung phones are getting harder and harder to exploit.
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willblake13 said:
I wonder how long it will take XDA's best minds to unlock this bootloader. Seems like Samsung phones are getting harder and harder to exploit.
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This isn't entirely true. Samsung phones have mostly had unlocked bootloaders unless you get a carrier version. They are still relatively easy to root and play around with. The only thing they are doing is adding security through Knox and that makes it difficult or even impossible to avoid flagging that the system has been tampered with. It doesn't stop playing with the bootloader or system, it just tells them that you have done something and that in turn voids warranty in many cases.
Most HTC, Sony and LG phones have locked bootloaders but the companies provide tools and instructions to unlock them. Only carrier-locked bootloaders are notoriously difficult to unlock.
I think you are mixing up the ability to unlock or play with the system with security features that flag and tell the company that you have messed with the phone. They are two different things.
It is becoming more and more difficult to return to a state that shows no evidence of tampering so warranty concerns are becoming more widespread. It doesn't mean that we can't play with our phones. It just means that after doing so the phone is our responsibility - sometimes even if there is a defect that isn't our fault.

akselic said:
This isn't entirely true. Samsung phones have mostly had unlocked bootloaders unless you get a carrier version. They are still relatively easy to root and play around with. The only thing they are doing is adding security through Knox and that makes it difficult or even impossible to avoid flagging that the system has been tampered with. It doesn't stop playing with the bootloader or system, it just tells them that you have done something and that in turn voids warranty in many cases.
Most HTC, Sony and LG phones have locked bootloaders but the companies provide tools and instructions to unlock them. Only carrier-locked bootloaders are notoriously difficult to unlock.
I think you are mixing up the ability to unlock or play with the system with security features that flag and tell the company that you have messed with the phone. They are two different things.
It is becoming more and more difficult to return to a state that shows no evidence of tampering so warranty concerns are becoming more widespread. It doesn't mean that we can't play with our phones. It just means that after doing so the phone is our responsibility - sometimes even if there is a defect that isn't our fault.
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His post was it will probably take a long time to unlock the bootloader, not sure what your LONG response has to do with that but anyway.
Yes, OP you are correct. Heck even the Note 3 for VZW is pretty limited ROM wise even after being out for months now. The good news these days that at least it is running a current build (4.4) so atleast we aren't behind in that regard. Problem is if we want to run CM we need there kernel to make it fly. Hopefully someone will break this thing soon!

jmill75 said:
His post was it will probably take a long time to unlock the bootloader, not sure what your LONG response has to do with that but anyway.
Yes, OP you are correct. Heck even the Note 3 for VZW is pretty limited ROM wise even after being out for months now. The good news these days that at least it is running a current build (4.4) so atleast we aren't behind in that regard. Problem is if we want to run CM we need there kernel to make it fly. Hopefully someone will break this thing soon!
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His post makes sense, there's a world outside the US.

dandroid13 said:
His post makes sense, there's a world outside the US.
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OP lives in Washington...soooooo thats the US buddy. Whats your point?

jmill75 said:
OP lives in Washington...soooooo thats the US buddy. Whats your point?
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My point is that post #2 makes sense. It isn't Samsung that makes things harder for you guys, it's the carriers.

dandroid13 said:
My point is that post #2 makes sense. It isn't Samsung that makes things harder for you guys, it's the carriers.
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:good::good::good:

dandroid13 said:
My point is that post #2 makes sense. It isn't Samsung that makes things harder for you guys, it's the carriers.
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Its a lot with the carriers but also Samsung has to have their phones secure also for govt official use hence Knox, plus region lock...
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[email protected] said:
Its a lot with the carriers but also Samsung has to have their phones secure also for govt official use hence Knox, plus region lock...
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Knox =/= locked bootloader, region lock goes away with a 5 min call.

[Q] rooting without voiding warranty?

not sure if it's too early to ask this yet, but is there already a root method that doesn't trip knox or whatever thing that can void the warranty?

dn3g3l said:
not sure if it's too early to ask this yet, but is there already a root method that doesn't trip knox or whatever thing that can void the warranty?
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Short answer, no.

We all know t mobile don't check for root so why bother yourself with this
g3 soon to be NOTE 4

its all these IBone converts that are flocking to this phone..
They're so used to Apple telling them what they can and can not do, that they dont yet know how to handle the freedom of Android/T-Mobile..

i'm just going to assume you're directing that at someone else. i've been using using android for quite some time. there was no knox when i rooted my phone before.
i don't buy insurance from tmobile so they won't be the one that's handling my warranty issues if something happens.

Like the OP, I refuse to waste money on Carrier insurance, and my previous phones did not have Knox. So it remains an important issue if you are relying on Samsung warranty. It's clear that existing root will trip Knox. My question is - what is the chance that there will be a root that does not trip knox in the future. Is it worth waiting or is knox considered to be bulletproof?
Edit: and no, I never owned an iPhone, and all my Androids have been rooted so far.

From what I read nobody has been able to break the Knox that Samsung share this knowledge with Google.
If the phone died and no fault of your own, Samsung will not take it back even if Knox is tripped?

Im not expert but I think that Samsung has to have a way to remove " tripped Knox flag " or any phone with hardware failure and Knox flag tripped would have no resale value if, for example, usb port is replaced.
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dn3g3l said:
not sure if it's too early to ask this yet, but is there already a root method that doesn't trip knox or whatever thing that can void the warranty?
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it IS too early to ask; the phone has been out for a few days, so if you're paranoid about rooting because of tripping Knox, you'll have to just wait around and see, or develop an exploit and share it with the rest of the folks who feel they need it..

I've given back a Note 2 and a Note 3, KNOX wasn't out for Note 2 but it was rooted. Note 3 had a counter of like 12, as stated above, T-Mobile doesn't check.

BACARDILIMON said:
We all know t mobile don't check for root so why bother yourself with this
g3 soon to be NOTE 4
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This couldn't be any more true. I've rooted every phone I've had with them that could be rooted and never once had them turn me down for an exchange or replacement unit. Hell I think I replaced my old one s maybe seven or eight times over the years I had it and I even stopped flashing it back to stock and just sent it back. Not like it's super hard for them to clean it all back up to stock.

I'm certain that when you return a phone to most vendors, they just throw it into the "defect" pile, and those phones either gets wiped and re-imaged, or they send them to some 3rd party who buys them cheap and does that on their own.
after spending many years as a director of sales for a consumer electronics company, I know how expensive it is to try and inspect/repair returns, so I cant imagine that Samsung/t mobile/att and who ever else even bothers to look at them.
If you think about the thousands of phones coming back as returns every day, handling them any more than absolutely necessary is a major losing proposition for these companies, and they only care about profit. When you return your rooted/knoxed/bricked phone, they NEVER repair it, you just get a new or rebuilt one sent out to you.
But hey, if you want to worry about tripping Knox or sending in a rooted phone, and that you will be in trouble/charged/punished for that, then you just go ahead and keep thinking that!:cyclops::cyclops:

By week 2 we should have about 8 of these threads. Should have at least 2 about triangle away and a few about screen saturated.
NOTE 4

BACARDILIMON said:
By week 2 we should have about 8 of these threads. Should have at least 2 about triangle away and a few about screen saturated.
NOTE 4
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@BACARDILIMON it wont even take that long!

[KNOX] Exhaustive list of changes after tripping Knox

Hello mina,
The goal of this thread is to list all changes when you trip/void Knox.
This list is not complete, feel free to help me to keep it updated.
DM-verity (Fixable with Magisk)
Secure Boot
RKP
Secure Folder (Permanent)
Samsung Pay (Permanent)
Samsung Pass (Permanent)
Samsung Health (Fixable)
Warranty (Maybe not)

Thanks this will help me decide if I want root I like the Samsung pass thing where you can use your eyes, fingerprint to sign into stuff
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marwanpro said:
Hello mina,
The goal of this thread is to list all changes when you trip/void Knox.
This list is not complete, feel free to help me to keep it updated.
DM-verity (Fixable with Magisk)
Secure Boot
RKP
Secure Folder (Permanent)
Samsung Pay (Permanent)
Samsung Pass (Permanent)
Samsung Health (Fixable)
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Most important..
Warranty is void!!!!!!
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Very helpful list going forward...

Techvir said:
Most important..
Warranty is void!!!!!!
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Mmh, I already sent a Galaxy Note 4 on Custom ROM in a PSM (Point Service Mobile, shop who sent to Samsung Repair Center) they flashed Original ROM and sent to Samsung.
They repaired the phone without ask me money.
Moreover, in France, they must repair the phone if the hardware is defective
https://www.europe-consommateurs.eu...ties-in-france/legal-guarantee-of-conformity/

marwanpro said:
Mmh, I already sent a Galaxy Note 4 on Custom ROM in a PSM (Point Service Mobile, shop who sent to Samsung Repair Center) they flashed Original ROM and sent to Samsung.
They repaired the phone without ask me money.
Moreover, in France, they must repair the phone if the hardware is defective
https://www.europe-consommateurs.eu...ties-in-france/legal-guarantee-of-conformity/
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Called "Samsung Stars" (Some dedicated team that I assume S9 and Note 9 users get access to) yesterday and in the UK at least, they confirmed that if the KNOX bit has been reset and you send the phone to be repaired, the service centre won't even touch it, hardware fault or not.

willhemmens said:
Called "Samsung Stars" (Some dedicated team that I assume S9 and Note 9 users get access to) yesterday and in the UK at least, they confirmed that if the KNOX bit has been reset and you send the phone to be repaired, the service centre won't even touch it, hardware fault or not.
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This item (warranty, )seems to have been discussed with every Samsung I can remember owning since Knox came into use.
You won't likely get a definitive answer since many owners in various countries including UK will argue that neither Samsung or any other manufacturer gets the final say on warranty repairs.
Many countries, including UK have consumer protection legislation that gives purchasers repair rights for defective items. You may get company warranty department staff and retailers who don't fully understand these consumer protection, you may have to be assertive or get trading standards department to assist you to get repair for defects.

marwanpro said:
Hello mina,
The goal of this thread is to list all changes when you trip/void Knox.
This list is not complete, feel free to help me to keep it updated.
DM-verity (Fixable with Magisk)
Secure Boot
RKP
Secure Folder (Permanent)
Samsung Pay (Permanent)
Samsung Pass (Permanent)
Samsung Health (Fixable)
Warranty (Maybe not)
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Does the battery get restricted to 80% max charge on S9/S9+/Note9? i know some sammy devices used to be this way...

darkensx said:
Does the battery get restricted to 80% max charge on S9/S9+/Note9? i know some sammy devices used to be this way...
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This is definitely news to me. For folks like myself who try to maximize battery durability, this would be a very welcome side effect. Constantly keeping an eye on the battery percentage while charging is getting old

Yes in France if they sell you an hardware, you can use like you want. I even wonder if Knox restrictions are really legal to be honest.

I'm pretty sure when you trip Knox you are "burning a bit" like a fuse bit on an adrino hobby chip and that's permanent
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darkensx said:
Does the battery get restricted to 80% max charge on S9/S9+/Note9? i know some sammy devices used to be this way...
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thats only when root is obtained using combo firmware typically on locked bl devices since factory/combo firmware limits charge to 80%

Question Root without voiding Knox and warranty?

Hello XDA developers and and users,
I just signed up and this is my first post.
Anyway I was wondering if I can root my S21 Ultra without voiding warranty and losing knox.... just in case I wanted to uninstall root and still have my warranty and knox services.
Sorry for too many tags.

Welcome to XDA
There's that pesky little efuse that protects Knox's integrity... once blown the mobo or that chipset needs to be replaced.
Sammy will do it for $400 apparently, according to one member here who did what you're thinking of doing. Get to know it a bit first...

Samsung S lover said:
Hello XDA developers and and users,
I just signed up and this is my first post.
Anyway I was wondering if I can root my S21 Ultra without voiding warranty and losing knox.... just in case I wanted to uninstall root and still have my warranty and knox services.
Sorry for too many tags.
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Hi. Welcome to XDA.
No, rooting the S21 ultra is not possible without tripping Knox and voiding warranty.

You could root it , use it for a year or two and then trade it in. I've traded in four so far with no issues.

Misterxtc said:
You could root it , use it for a year or two and then trade it in. I've traded in four so far with no issues.
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Except for the warranty issue. Sammy will likely charge you for the blown efuse -if- the choose to repair it. It's a $400 fuse

blackhawk said:
Except for the warranty issue. Sammy will likely charge you for the blown efuse -if- the choose to repair it. It's a $400 fuse
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True, they most likely won't even touch it for repair if it's rooted.

Misterxtc said:
True, they most likely won't even touch it for repair if it's rooted.
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One member recently had their display die and Samsung did replace it but charged them for a new mobo because of the blown efuse.
Samsung is pretty much silently admitting there's a display issue on some of these units.
If the 3rd party firmware fried the display he lucked out because the display was from a known bad batch. Samsung can only determine this many times by direct inspection, not remotely.
Samsung usually doesn't do warranty repairs on rooted phones, right?
Interesting, isn't it? It doesn't give you a warm cozy feeling though about Samsung though

blackhawk said:
One member recently had their display die and Samsung did replace it but charged them for a new mobo because of the blown efuse.
Samsung is pretty much silently admitting there's a display issue on some of these units.
If the 3rd party firmware fried the display he lucked out because the display was from a known bad batch. Samsung can only determine this many times by direct inspection, not remotely.
Samsung usually doesn't do warranty repairs on rooted phones, right?
Interesting, isn't it? It doesn't give you a warm cozy feeling though about Samsung though
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Yup sounds like a money grab to me.

Misterxtc said:
Yup sounds like a money grab to me.
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The problem being the phone was rooted. Better have deep pockets if you want to root a new flagship Samsung device.
Basically Samsung returned it to factory specs and charged to repair the "damage" caused by rooting.
I hate knox... it serves me no purpose like the little tard bixby.
Lame Samsung security

Samsung S lover said:
Hello XDA developers and and users,
I just signed up and this is my first post.
Anyway I was wondering if I can root my S21 Ultra without voiding warranty and losing knox.... just in case I wanted to uninstall root and still have my warranty and knox services.
Sorry for too many tags.
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Knox services and factory warranty aren't the only casualties when you root a Galaxy device. Also it depends on how you root a device, that's assuming your device can even be BL unlocked. Many users end up with a very expensive paper weight as bricking the phone isn't uncommon. You'll lose Secure Folder, Samsung Pay, Health. OTA Updates can be restored if you flash the original FW via Odin. A number of apps can also be made unusable after root. I would weight these considerations beforehand as there are a number of apps which will customize your device without tripping the BL.
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varcor said:
Knox services and factory warranty aren't the only casualties when you root a Galaxy device. Also it depends on how you root a device and if the device can even be BL unlocked. Many users end up with a very expensive paper weight as bricking the phone isn't uncommon. You'll lose Secure Folder, Samsung Pay, Health. OTA Updates can be restored if you flash the original FW via Odin. A number of apps can also be made unusable after root. I would weight these considerations beforehand as there are a number of apps which will customize your device without tripping the BL.
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The potential to brick the phone should weigh heavily in one's decision to root especially on a expensive flagship device.
Just read all the " Help!!! I bricked my device" threads posted here. Lots of pretty paperweights...
Losing the factory warranty on the display and mobo are a big deal. Both are expensive and hard to repair.
OTA updates break phones too
It's the first apk I package block.
Those other apks I never use but each person is different and if your needs change... you don't want to find yourself painted in a corner with paint that never dries.
The stock Samsungs can generally be configured to run very well without rooting. More than one way to skin this cat...

blackhawk said:
Welcome to XDA
There's that pesky little efuse that protects Knox's integrity... once blown the mobo or that chipset needs to be replaced.
Sammy will do it for $400 apparently, according to one member here who did what you're thinking of doing. Get to know it a bit first...
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Thank you so much for replying and for your advice and information, I really appreciate. Thank you again

enigmaamit said:
Hi. Welcome to XDA.
No, rooting the S21 ultra is not possible without tripping Knox and voiding warranty.
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Thanks for your welcoming, I have my phone through a carrier. If I succeed and root and then decide to unroot can I still lose that warranty even though I want be going to Samsung to fix it ?

Misterxtc said:
You could root it , use it for a year or two and then trade it in. I've traded in four so far with no issues.
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I have my phone through a carrier and it's on upgrade and protect which is whenever a new one comes out I get to replace it with the existing credit.

varcor said:
Knox services and factory warranty aren't the only casualties when you root a Galaxy device. Also it depends on how you root a device, that's assuming your device can even be BL unlocked. Many users end up with a very expensive paper weight as bricking the phone isn't uncommon. You'll lose Secure Folder, Samsung Pay, Health. OTA Updates can be restored if you flash the original FW via Odin. A number of apps can also be made unusable after root. I would weight these considerations beforehand as there are a number of apps which will customize your device without tripping the BL.
[TOOL] ADB AppControl 1.8.0 🚀 Ultimate App Manager & Debloat Tool + Tweaks
ADB AppControl 🚀 Root is not required. Works with any Android device. Can do almost everything you dreamed about with applications. ADB AppControl - the desktop program, that will allow you to easily manage applications on your android device...
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Thank you for your long answe as it had so many new information to me.
I don't usually use any of these apps because I replace most of them with Google pay and anthid fitness apps, while on the other hand for apps services like find my mobile and secure folder.. there are many alternatives .
I'll wait to see what the S22 Ultra will bring to see if I should root my phone.
Thank again, really appreciate your answer

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I have my phone through a carrier and it's on upgrade and protect which is whenever a new one comes out I get to replace it with the existing credit.
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You're out of luck then because you can't revert knox. I just did it through Samsung credit and they don't seem to care but the warranty is still void either way if it's rooted.

Samsung S lover said:
Thanks for your welcoming, I have my phone through a carrier. If I succeed and root and then decide to unroot can I still lose that warranty even though I want be going to Samsung to fix it ?
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Doesn't matter if you unroot later. Once you root and trip the Knox flag, it is irreversible. It's not a software flag, it's a hardware flag called an e-fuse. Once blown, it stays blown. Whatever you do with the phone after that to restore back to stock, it will stay voided. Knox related stuff will never work again unless you change your motherboard.

I think it is possible

Could you elaborate please?

enigmaamit said:
Could you elaborate please?
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All the elaboration you need has already been said. If you want more assurance that this is not possible do a search for reset knox and see for yourself. This is just one thread of many and it was started in 2013... not trying to be a jerk but this horse is dead.