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Hey xda,
I wanted to make a thread for people who are not as developer-savvy as others to share ideas and make requests for mods/roms/etc.
If a request or idea could generate enough feedback or support, developers would be more informed on what people would want or like to see.
Here are two things that I would personally like to see on my Nexus 4.
On your homescreen, when you press and hold the home button to go to Google Now, is it possible to add shortcuts and or folders to the extra space around the ring? This would allow the user to clean up some screen space by hiding frequent shortcuts.
Also, I would like to see app-specific security (pattern, pin, password) protection. This would allow a user to easily unlock their phone but still have the security they would want for their messaging, facebook, etc.
Thanks for reading.
I'll maintain this thread as best I can and put the best suggestions below.
Best Ideas as of January 02, 2013
Ideas will be added to this list as support is generated.
Ideas will be removed from this list as they are developed or "worked-around."
See the post number for more details.
App-specific security (pattern, pin, password) protection. OP, #1
Simultaneously video recording with both cameras. DonDizzurp, #21
Full calculator as a lock screen widget. AlwaysDroid, #23
5 PNGs as your WiFi/Signal bars. kcls, #32
Multiwindow support. DforDesign, #41
i can add the shrotcuts already in aokp. i think. gimme a sec and ill find out.
edit: yeppers. i guess this is what you are talking about. i dont use them. but i might now that you have talked about cleaning up the home screen.
phermey said:
i can add the shrotcuts already in aokp. i think. gimme a sec and ill find out.
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Thanks for looking. Is it from the homescreen or lockscreen?
oneonezerosix said:
Thanks for looking. Is it from the homescreen or lockscreen?
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the pic i posted was from rom control. and in the navigation bar sub menu. where you add in more buttons and such to the homescreen navbar.
phermey said:
the pic i posted was from rom control. and in the navigation bar sub menu. where you add in more buttons and such to the homescreen navbar.
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Thanks again, I never tried AOKP before, but I certainly will now.
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Thanks again, I never tried AOKP before, but I certainly will now.
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i have used it for a year now. first on att gs2 and now on nexus. in my opinion... it is the supreme rom.
I don't think that XDA is here to have users make requests?
phermey said:
i have used it for a year now. first on att gs2 and now on nexus. in my opinion... it is the supreme rom.
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Wonderful. I'm going to get AOKP this week then. Is this exclusively on AOKP? I haven't seen it elsewhere.
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I don't think that XDA is here to have users make requests?
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probably not blatantly as this thread :angel:, but people have made requests occasionally.
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Wonderful. I'm going to get AOKP this week then. Is this exclusively on AOKP? I haven't seen it elsewhere.
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rom control should be built into most every rom. the features they stick in rom control are different though. i would imagine they all have the navbar deal. its best to flash a rom. find its features and then wipe and add a new rom. and keep going until you find the one you like best. after you find the right one... spend the hours it takes to set up your phone the way you want. for instance.. all of this talkin has caused me to want to throw cyanogen on here to see what those guys have been up to.
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I don't think that XDA is here to have users make requests?
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^^^ What he said
XDA is a development site not a site for users to come beg with requests. If you have any doubt or are unsure of what xda is please click the link below and look at zelendel's post. Hopefully a mod locks this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2439
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There's a big difference between posting direct requests in the development forums and posting a thread in the general forum for collecting ideas you think might be cool to have developed one day. There's nothing wrong with this thread and it's not bothering anybody. It's certainly more useful than the hundreds of threads that occur at every device launch complaining about one hardware defect or another. As an amateur developer I think threads like this are cool places to look for ideas that might be fun to tackle.
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There's a big difference between posting direct requests in the development forums and posting a thread in the general forum for collecting ideas you think might be cool to have developed one day. There's nothing wrong with this thread and it's not bothering anybody. It's certainly more useful than the hundreds of threads that occur at every device launch complaining about one hardware defect or another. As an amateur developer I think threads like this are cool places to look for ideas that might be fun to tackle.
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except for the am dev part. i dunno devving.
So i was browsing the thread and i came across this, and from the title alone i was ready to shut it down......
But i as i read in to it i had to change my mind. The OP is not blatantly making a request to any specific dev. They are simply stating things they would like to see. Now i know this isnt a place to make you phone look cool and i am obviously aware of the rules. But bedoig brings up a very valid point. Some of the amateur dev's might see this as an opportunity to dig in a little deeper. This is not in the development boards and no one is making a specific request from any of the dev's, so i see no reason to shut this down at this time.
However, since i do not normally moderate this board, then i welcome this boards mods _Arjen_, iridaki, eagleeyetom, YZ, TeeJay3800, Diamondback, AvRS, krook6023 to sidestep my decision if they feel the need to.
@oneonezerosix you may want to consider changing the title of your thread to something that sounds a little less demanding. The Dev's here might take it the wrong way (just a suggestion)
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requests? no (although ive made my share of requests)
suggestions? sure, to an extent
XDA is here FOR the developers not for the average consumer to pressure devs.
as most xda OG's would say: if you want it done, do it yourself...
if you cant.. then try to learn and get the ball rolling and a dev will probably help you along the way.
mark manning said:
^^^ What he said
XDA is a development site not a site for users to come beg with requests. If you have any doubt or are unsure of what xda is please click the link below and look at zelendel's post. Hopefully a mod locks this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2439
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After reading the post, I can understand your perspective. All that I ask is that you attempt to understand mine as well.
Zelendel stated that, "XDA is a place to come to learn and share your knowledge."
As an amateur developer, I do not know how to develop much of the things that I wish to be able to use. It was my sole intention to facilitate a discussion of new ideas for development from varying levels of skilled members. Even the best developers can dream of new mods/roms/kernels/etc that they may be unable to produce by their own means. Which is reason enough for one to want to request the assistance of others by posting in a thread like this.
If you do not see any value in this thread, then I apologize for wasting your time.
I am not a Dev and get offended for them when someone says "please add this".
But this is a recollection of ideas, honestly, what's wrong in that? Where would the devs be with no ideas?
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I am not a Dev and get offended for them when someone says "please add this".
But this is a recollection of ideas, honestly, what's wrong in that? Where would the devs be with no ideas?
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I agree. This is an "ideas" thread, not targeted at a specific developer. A dev may take this on board and incorporate it, as they might think its a good idea
Fun fact: three marks have posted in this thread hi
OK, back on topic. Who's got ideas?
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Not about the hardware- that's nothing short of exceptional to me. What I'm wondering is, why are all the new Kitkat based custom roms so stripped-down? I know it's new, and I'm also not a developer but I can appreciate the hard work that goes into making them. On all my devices I've been able to count on roms like CyanogenMod and others to add the subtle tweaks that I feel should have come from the factory. CM 10.2 was a killer ROM and had all the features I needed. I've tried some of these new KK roms and theyre either too much, or too vanilla. All the OP's say they're starting clean. I'm sure someone will tell me "Learn how to build your own if you don't like it" but does anyone know if/when the devs plan to start incorporating features back? I hope no one takes offense to this, as that is not my intention. I'm just trying to understand why this happened. Was it like this when ICS and JB came out?
I agree with you...
Just ask google for a refund
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I think streamlined is the term you are searching for. I've been using Android for quite some time now and lightweight is what I prefer. Plus, it's inevitable to have a little more functionality with custom ROMs.
Not trying to offend, but it sounds to me like you haven't been around Android for very long if you weren't around for the ICS to JB update. So with that, I'm glad you're on board. So sit back, relax, and enjoy your amazing phone that has a pure Android experience.
Keep flashing and I'm certain you'll find the perfect fit for you.
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does anyone know if/when the devs plan to start incorporating features back?
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When they feel like it, or install the xposed framework and some of its modules.
"Why this happened?" Probably because the phone has been available for barely over a month. Nothing "happened." I've never seen so much development on a new phone in such a short period of time. Jeez.
Just wait...
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All devs on all devices start by making the base as stable as possible first. Only THEN do the features get added in.
Remember, this is a Nexus device. It is the first device to receive kitkat. It takes time for devs to build features back in to a new base. They don't just "slot in". They need to be amended, debugged and sometimes completely re-written
You're an early adoptor of the nexus. ALL brand new devices takes time to develop for. But imagine you buy the next HTC device released in 6 months time with kitkat... cm devs have been working with kitkat sources for 7 or 8 months by that time. The features will almost just "slot in" but on a brand new base, it takes a lot of time. Im not sure you really do appreciate the hard work involved
Its also worth noting, cm's feature set is identical across all kitkat builds on all devices. Its only the device tree that varies
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The phone and 4.4 are brand new. Slim and CM are developing their Roms. Patience is virtue.
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To everyone who wrote a useful, non-sarcastic response, thank you. You answered my questions. To the jerks, I have one word. Karma.
I am on the stock rom and I have nearly all the features and tweaks that custom roms have.
Just install xposed framework and gravitybox module and you should be alright. You can download more modules depending on your needs.
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Try Slim rom, they have a good amount of added features now.
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The CM features are coming, don't worry! Then AOKP will be up, and then AOSPA, then you won't know what to do with yourself! It just takes a bit for the developers to redo features for the brand new version of Android. We've been a bit spoiled in that the transition from the Jellybean 4.x.x updates weren't terribly hard to push code up for, but KitKat has a lot more going on under the hood.
Edit: and if you recall how CM6 and CM7 looked, the streamlined look also makes for a MUCH easier UI, vs the clutter that kinda existed in the froyo and GB days.
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To everyone who wrote a useful, non-sarcastic response, thank you. You answered my questions. To the jerks, I have one word. Karma.
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You have to understand that the devs here aren't getting paid for what they do. They have jobs and lives outside of Android development, and they do this in their spare time for free. For you to pop in and start a thread in the forums for a brand-new phone basically saying "hey guys, why aren't you developing more" comes off as kind of rude. You're new here so I'm sure that wasn't your intention, but you have to understand that some patience is required with a brand-new phone and a brand-new version of Android. I'm amazed at the amount of development that we already have, to be honest.
All you need is Xposed and Gravity Box. I'm running stock rooted with those two, and I got my Rom exactly how I like it.
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You have to understand that the devs here aren't getting paid for what they do. They have jobs and lives outside of Android development, and they do this in their spare time for free. For you to pop in and start a thread in the forums for a brand-new phone basically saying "hey guys, why aren't you developing more" comes off as kind of rude. You're new here so I'm sure that wasn't your intention, but you have to understand that some patience is required with a brand-new phone and a brand-new version of Android. I'm amazed at the amount of development that we already have, to be honest.
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Can you please point me to where I said they should do something faster? Because frankly, I'm not seeing it. In fact, I specificially said that I appreciate the hard work that goes into them. All I was asking, was to be educated on why all the roms were starting clean. It seems some people understood this, and offered relevant responses while others simply flamed. It's no wonder that people get a bad taste of these forums with the way they get treated, when they simply asked a question and even carefully worded it so as not to be offensive or greedy.
When we went from ICS to JB, it wasn't like this. Devs didn't 'start fresh' like this. So clearly something DID happen, i.e. a change of some kind, that led them to do what they are doing. And all I wanted was to be educated on what that was! Not once did I say that these hard working people with lives who do this for FREE should do it FASTER. But people, who are possibly only semi-literate, immediately assume that someone is saying what they are clearly NOT saying. Is it boredom that leads people to jump on someone in a forum for no reason? Either say something constructive and don't be a warmonger, or move on.
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All you need is Xposed and Gravity Box. I'm running stock rooted with those two, and I got my Rom exactly how I like it.
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Thank you for your concise and constructive answer. From what I'm reading, I think you've led me in the right direction.
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The CM features are coming, don't worry! Then AOKP will be up, and then AOSPA, then you won't know what to do with yourself! It just takes a bit for the developers to redo features for the brand new version of Android. We've been a bit spoiled in that the transition from the Jellybean 4.x.x updates weren't terribly hard to push code up for, but KitKat has a lot more going on under the hood..
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THIS WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR!! THANK YOU!! What a simple answer, that was not negative in any way, that told me what I was looking for. Thank you for not being insulting, and just telling me that it was easier to do JB updates than KK. So like I said, something was different about KK that made it more difficult to code for. Thank you for keeping in the spirit of constructively helping others.
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Thank you for your concise and constructive answer. From what I'm reading, I think you've led me in the right direction.
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I also like the Cataclysm ROM, very "stock-ish" with good features.
Gravity box is a great module. Many of us use it
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I am running android L on my Nexus 7 but i just wanted to know when will Xposed support the android version??
Or will it ever support android L
Android L is a preview version. So you shouldn't wait Xposed for this version. Maybe in few weeks or months we will have Android 4.5 or Android 5.0 with Xposed support :good:
Yeah.. I'm currently playing around with it a bit, trying to get adb working in root mode and stuff which makes it easier to develop.
It's indeed still a preview release, and it's a moving target (there are very strong signs that Google will update the preview before the final release). Root apps and even some normal apps don't work well at the moment. It's good that I can try what is necessary to get Xposed running, but I haven't decided yet whether I will work on a Xposed preview release for this preview ROM. I'll share some more thoughts once I had the chance to look deeper into it.
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Yeah.. I'm currently playing around with it a bit, trying to get adb working in root mode and stuff which makes it easier to develop.
It's indeed still a preview release, and it's a moving target (there are very strong signs that Google will update the preview before the final release). Root apps and even some normal apps don't work well at the moment. It's good that I can try what is necessary to get Xposed running, but I haven't decided yet whether I will work on a Xposed preview release for this preview ROM. I'll share some more thoughts once I had the chance to look deeper into it.
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if you can get xposed running in android L developer preview it will make xposed available to kitkat with art ?
PedroM.CostaAndrade said:
if you can get xposed running in android L developer preview it will make xposed available to kitkat with art ?
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How about you just let him work on it and see how it's goes.
There's literally no reason at all to bother him with questions, when he has something new to share he will, when he doesn't those questions will be just annoying to him. Not yours personally, but the sheer amount of people bombarding him with all kinds of art related questions just add up.
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if you can get xposed running in android L developer preview it will make xposed available to kitkat with art ?
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"Getting it running" is one thing, whether it's good to publish it is another question. I've had a prototype of Xposed for the ART preview in December already. Barely tested, needed manual installation, probably failing here and there, but generally it did what it should. But already back then, I've seen that Google is still working actively on improving ART. They have made huge internal changes since then. Last weekend, I made my prototype compile against the master branch of AOSP and I had to introduce lots of conditionals. That's without knowing whether it will actually work, I just changed declarations, calls etc. to avoid compile time errors.
The ART preview in KitKat and the ART almost-final in the Android L preview are different pieces of software. Maintaining support for both of them means basically twice the work, especially for testing. That, and the fact that ART in KitKat was just an optional preview (with potential bugs that may be incorrectly blamed on Xposed), makes it less likely that I will publish Xposed for the KitKat variant of ART. That's not a final decision, it depends on how ART development continues and how well I can support Android L. It's important that Xposed works fine on upcoming Android versions where ART is the only runtime. KitKat support would be a bonus if it's not too much effort to maintain in parallel.
Oh, and for everyone who thinks that posting "pleeeeease" or "you have to support it" will increase the chances of publishing something: It won't. It will just annoy me and make it less likely.
tonyp said:
How about you just let him work on it and see how it's goes.
There's literally no reason at all to bother him with questions, when he has something new to share he will, when he doesn't those questions will be just annoying to him. Not yours personally, but the sheer amount of people bombarding him with all kinds of art related questions just add up.
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Indeed. I have received lots of hints "hey, Android L is out now" - yes, I know. So for now, I have disabled PMs...
By the way, I have just read the "How to Report Bugs Effectively" essay by the PuTTY developer. It's so true!
I just wanted to say how incredibly awesome it is that you're already working on Xposed with this early preview version of Android L. I for one am very happy with my current 4.4.4+Xposed setup, and would rather stick with that than use a newer Android release without Xposed. It's a truly great piece of software that I have come to depend on. Keep up the good work and ignore those who would try to pressure you. We can wait!
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"Getting it running" is one thing, whether it's good to publish it is another question. I've had a prototype of Xposed for the ART preview in December already. Barely tested, needed manual installation, probably failing here and there, but generally it did what it should. But already back then, I've seen that Google is still working actively on improving ART. They have made huge internal changes since then. Last weekend, I made my prototype compile against the master branch of AOSP and I had to introduce lots of conditionals. That's without knowing whether it will actually work, I just changed declarations, calls etc. to avoid compile time errors.
The ART preview in KitKat and the ART almost-final in the Android L preview are different pieces of software. Maintaining support for both of them means basically twice the work, especially for testing. That, and the fact that ART in KitKat was just an optional preview (with potential bugs that may be incorrectly blamed on Xposed), makes it less likely that I will publish Xposed for the KitKat variant of ART. That's not a final decision, it depends on how ART development continues and how well I can support Android L. It's important that Xposed works fine on upcoming Android versions where ART is the only runtime. KitKat support would be a bonus if it's not too much effort to maintain in parallel.
Oh, and for everyone who thinks that posting "pleeeeease" or "you have to support it" will increase the chances of publishing something: It won't. It will just annoy me and make it less likely.
Indeed. I have received lots of hints "hey, Android L is out now" - yes, I know. So for now, I have disabled PMs...
By the way, I have just read the "How to Report Bugs Effectively" essay by the PuTTY developer. It's so true!
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Thanks for the answer it's what imagined and I understand, I just wanted to make sure that i was right xD
You have done a really great job, and you and all of the good developers of XDA are our heroes!!! Take a beer you deserve it! [emoji106]
Any chance of a sticky and close on this thread? I was fortunate to find it quickly enough on the second page but I was checking the General and FAQ threads first for this exact info. I'm sure a lot of people are coming to see it.
Thanks for the hint. I have extended the FAQ item about ART with a link to this thread.
I use Xposed on stock GPE 4.4.4. Its great, and for my use actually better than some of the more customised ROM's. I find i dont actually want a lot of customisation, just a few things that Xposed with a couple of modules does well.
From what i am reading at the moment, ART wont be a really viable alternative until the release of Android L. Hopefully the GPE ROMs will be early releases.
So, i would think that if you choose to continue Xposed releases (if you dont the sobbing from XDA will keep you awake nights!!) then developing for Android L which NEEDS to be ART compatible, and forgetting a version for KK which can use Dalvik anyway is the way to go.
Many thanks for all you efforts.
Hi @rovo89 I have a quick petition for you. Please release your art KitKat "alpha" of xposed so somebody interested can complete it. I think that is pretty fair and it shouldn't take you too much time. Please consider it.
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Hi @rovo89 I have a quick petition for you. Please release your art KitKat "alpha" of xposed so somebody interested can complete it. I think that is pretty fair and it shouldn't take you too much time. Please consider it.
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You mean the source code, so interested developers can compile it themselves? I'm indeed thinking about publishing some work-in-progress code because I'm getting more and more frustrated with L (currently uninstalled it again, I need my phone). Not yet though, I would at least like to get L booting with it (if necessary with permissive SELinux). *If* I ever support ART on KitKat, then I wouldn't want to maintain two totally different codebases.
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You mean the source code, so interested developers can compile it themselves? I'm indeed thinking about publishing some work-in-progress code because I'm getting more and more frustrated with L (currently uninstalled it again, I need my phone). Not yet though, I would at least like to get L booting with it (if necessary with permissive SELinux). *If* I ever support ART on KitKat, then I wouldn't want to maintain two totally different codebases.
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Thanks for your answher, that's mostly what I meant. I read in the last page you had a prototype running in kitkat+art, so I thought you could publish that work in order for other devs to have the possibility to keep working on it if you don't want to for whatever the reason or even help you with the code. Also, it would be good for any user who wants to use it even if he knows it may fail here or there as you say.
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Thanks for your answher, that's mostly what I meant. I read in the last page you had a prototype running in kitkat+art, so I thought you could publish that work in order for other devs to have the possibility to keep working on it if you don't want to for whatever the reason or even help you with the code. Also, it would be good for any user who wants to use it even if he knows it may fail here or there as you say.
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Never underesimate the stupidity of the users
They will install it, run into all kinds of issues and then come complaining and whining at xda.
This will just cause issues, so I don't think it should be released in any way to endusers.
But I do think the release of the source code is a good idea when it comes with the request kindly not to share any compiled versions.
Each developer who could seriously help working in that complex field (which aren't too many I suppose) won't have a problem compiling it, so it might help in speeding up the development or producing new ideas.
tonyp said:
Never underesimate the stupidity of the users
They will install it, run into all kinds of issues and then come complaining and whining at xda.
This will just cause issues, so I don't think it should be released in any way to endusers.
But I do think the release of the source code is a good idea when it comes with the request kindly not to share any compiled versions.
Each developer who could seriously help working in that complex field (which aren't too many I suppose) won't have a problem compiling it, so it might help in speeding up the development or producing new ideas.
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May be the stupidity is on your side! I don't have a problem to flash 98% done xposed on my KitKat and give feedbacks to the developer.
I am sure that there are many users like me who will agree to do it, don't forget that hundreds of users still using Dalvik because of xposed!
Some module won't work or other small bug isn't a reason not to use it.
So, if you think you are so smart-you are wrong!
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May be the stupidity is on your side! I don't have a problem to flash 98% done xposed on my KitKat and give feedbacks to the developer.
I am sure that there are many users like me who will agree to do it, don't forget that hundreds of users still using Dalvik because of xposed!
Some module won't work or other small bug isn't a reason not to use it.
So, if you think you are so smart-you are wrong!
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Don't get me wrong, as soon as it's in a functional beta state I'm with you there, but what rovo had wasn't even close to an alpha stage afaik. At that point users feedback is hardly ever useful for developers as it's quite obvious what's working and what isn't. Here you need useful logs and no general feedback (and usually you're testing a new version every other minute, so it doesn't really make sense to make testing releases and wait for feedback).
Please don't read my post as offense, the fact that you're actually reading here means you're not in the scope of "users" I was referring to.
It's sad, but unfortunately xda(-developers) usually isn't the best place to do and discuss actual development. There are loads of people who fail to read instructions, the OP or a couple pages back before posting, which results in lots of redundant bug reports of well known problems.
The situation has improved in the last years and the staff is doing a great job at keeping it within boundaries, but still loads of development threads (see e.g. the N5 section) are getting spammed with stupid and redundant posts.
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Don't get me wrong, as soon as it's in a functional beta state I'm with you there, but what rovo had wasn't even close to an alpha stage afaik. At that point users feedback is hardly ever useful for developers as it's quite obvious what's working and what isn't. Here you need useful logs and no general feedback (and usually you're testing a new version every other minute, so it doesn't really make sense to make testing releases and wait for feedback).
Please don't read my post as offense, the fact that you're actually reading here means you're not in the scope of "users" I was referring to.
It's sad, but unfortunately xda(-developers) usually isn't the best place to do and discuss actual development. There are loads of people who fail to read instructions, the OP or a couple pages back before posting, which results in lots of redundant bug reports of well known problems.
The situation has improved in the last years and the staff is doing a great job at keeping it within boundaries, but still loads of development threads (see e.g. the N5 section) are getting spammed with stupid and redundant posts.
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Ok, First of all there are always be "stupid and redundant posts", because when I see "franco kernel" thread for N4 - it's thouthends of pages, not many people will search inside to find simple answer to question like "how to flash", it's much easier to ask again and get an answer in 5 minutes.
About Rovo, I think if it works on his phone, there is no reason not to let other users WHO WANT to use the new Xposed version, again, few modules less didn't kill anyone, so f I use 5 instead of 10 modules - it's OK by me.
I tried to change to ART (ofcourse disabled Xposed), but I had to install 6 other apps instead to make phone look/work as with Xposed, I think it's not worth it, but ART working better... After 1 day I changed to Dalvik and Xposed.
In coclusion, I prefer almost ready Xposed + ART then Dalvik with 100% working Xposed.
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Ok, First of all there are always be "stupid and redundant posts", because when I see "franco kernel" thread for N4 - it's thouthends of pages, not many people will search inside to find simple answer to question like "how to flash", it's much easier to ask again and get an answer in 5 minutes.
About Rovo, I think if it works on his phone, there is no reason not to let other users WHO WANT to use the new Xposed version, again, few modules less didn't kill anyone, so f I use 5 instead of 10 modules - it's OK by me.
I tried to change to ART (ofcourse disabled Xposed), but I had to install 6 other apps instead to make phone look/work as with Xposed, I think it's not worth it, but ART working better... After 1 day I changed to Dalvik and Xposed.
In coclusion, I prefer almost ready Xposed + ART then Dalvik with 100% working Xposed.
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LOL. Translated - "Give it me now! It's not fair that rovo is keeping it to himself!" No offence, but that is how your posts are coming across. There's also no need to be insulting to someone that has contributed many things to the users of this site.
The reasons for not releasing the experimental version in a precompiled easily installable state were explained clearly by tonyp. The Xposed framework is a hugely complicated project to begin with and the fact that rovo has a test version does not mean that it's anywhere near ready for end users to install on their devices. If it didn't work properly, there would be many, many people with unusable devices flooding this section complaining that rovo broke their phone. Even if the experimental framework itself worked perfectly on the multitude of devices people have, it may break some modules, which would cause complaints and headaches for the module developers, because most people wouldn't mention they were using the test version.
As for it only being released to people that agree that it may not work. What normally happens here is that people that just want the latest version apply, then disappear without ever providing any feedback apart from complaints that "It doesn't work", with no useful logs etc provided.
The source being made available is the correct way to go here. It ensures, in the most part, that only people that have knowledge and understanding of the risks involved and are able to collaborate properly with development are able to install the experimental version. Not impatient people that just can't wait to make their phone cool and don't read or search threads before modifying their expensive device.
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rovo89 said:
You mean the source code, so interested developers can compile it themselves? I'm indeed thinking about publishing some work-in-progress code because I'm getting more and more frustrated with L (currently uninstalled it again, I need my phone). Not yet though, I would at least like to get L booting with it (if necessary with permissive SELinux). *If* I ever support ART on KitKat, then I wouldn't want to maintain two totally different codebases.
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Why don't you keep L as a secondary rom(with MultiROM)? By doing so you can test xposed on L, and then switch to kitkat when you need your phone.
Well guys, looks like Xposed for 5.0 won't ever happen.
REVISION: This edit was added on 2.13.14
The above statement was purely a joke when Xposed for LP was merely a dream. To clarify, as of now there is no ETA for Xposed. Ever. Don't ask. Stop. Don't think of it. If you ask, you shall be banned as of the words of the moderator.
I know it may be hard to read sometimes, so I started a new paragraph. If you are confused, look up. ETAs don't exist on this developer website. Thank you.
Xposed is IN THE WORKS and no, there is no beta version. If you beg to differ, post a comment. Don't flame me or anybody.
=D have a WONDERFUL, hate free day.
The full comment posted at https://github.com/rovo89/Xposed/issues/18 is:
Thanks guys. Actually, there is no need to worry about alternative approaches. It's not easy to "hack" ART in a similar way as Dalvik, but it's generally working.
What most people forget:
a) ART isn't the only new thing in Lollipop. SELinux requires a lot of extra code and even more thoughts to work around the restrictions. And 64 bit breaks the assumption that everything starts in a single process, as there are two Zygote processes now. I think it's important to consider this right from the start.
b) The actual (net) time required to write code is far away from the time that passes. It's not like I work on Xposed every evening. There are weeks when I don't look at the code at all. Yes, I do have other things in my life, and some have a higher priority. So even if something would take just a few evenings to code, it might take me a couple of weeks to actually do it. And once I publish something, you probably wouldn't like it if I took off for a few weeks.
If it was just about coding, pushing the source could be helpful. But that works best if there's already a clear concept of what is needed and an idea how this can be split up into work packages. Often it takes hours to come up with a concept that can be coded in 20 lines. Remember how many people are using Xposed meanwhile. We don't want to have some quick code that works by accident, so it's vital to think everything through carefully, and that takes time.
So yeah. It will take more time, I still don't give any ETA, but I'm quite confident that we'll have something nice some day.
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No new "work in progress" sources = no help from other contributors. That's it.
pyler said:
No new "work in progress" sources = no help from other contributors. That's it.
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You can probably count the people who really understand Xposed and how it works at one hand (and you'll basically have to start from scratch for lollipop).
It's not like there were hundreds of contributors in the past, so what you're trying to say here is invalid.
Yes, there would probably be some people who could help out, but keep in mind that every minute rovo is helping others to better understand what's going on isn't available for him to do some actual development (which includes research and drafting ideas).
I'm sure that any top tier dev who feels confident to actually bring xposed for lollipop forward can contact rovo anytime and get his wip code, but so far no one has spoken out.
The sad truth is that 95% of the xda users are people without any real technical knowledge - and the only thing they do is to offer to "test" something to gain access to something before it's release.
Unfortunately those testers are rarely ever needed, at least not within the core development phase, here it takes way more time to explain people what is needed than to just test it yourself.
When you're rolling something out to production and want to make sure that the last little bugs within different usage cases and configurations are squashed, sure you'll need testers, but not before.
But for now that's not the case, so it might be better to keep the unhelpful comments to oneself
KevinDixson said:
Well guys, looks like Xposed for 5.0 won't ever happen.
(To all you downers out there, its called a joke. Laugh about it. Next thread.)
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Liar
So yeah. It will take more time, I still don't give any ETA, but I'm quite confident that we'll have something nice some day.
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If you can't offer something better then be patient.
Primokorn said:
Liar
If you can't offer something better then be patient.
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Just like the op stated.... Its a JOKE
He had 666 Followers and I thought it was funny and would lighten up a few peoples stress filled days. The only reason I saw this was because I was going through his posts and READING all of them to get an update as to where we stand.
KevinDixson said:
(To all you downers out there, its called a joke. Laugh about it. Next thread.)
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I found it for you ^ since sometimes I know its REALLY hard to understand the concept of a joke.
KevinDixson said:
Just like the op stated.... Its a JOKE
He had 666 Followers and I thought it was funny and would lighten up a few peoples stress filled days. The only reason I saw this was because I was going through his posts and READING all of them to get an update as to where we stand.
I found it for you ^ since sometimes I know its REALLY hard to understand the concept of a joke.
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Yep sorry I misread your post. I feel a little bit stressed with all this story lol
Anyways, 666 is the patience and Rovo the angel
Primokorn said:
Yep sorry I misread your post. I feel a little bit stressed with all this story lol
Anyways, 666 is the patience and Rovo the angel
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Hahaha no worries bro just keepin the haters out of this thread :bruh:
just for waiting...
Hope xposed will be ported to lollipop eventually!!!
Hi guys! Yeah, I'm part of those 95% (I'm a lawyer), but I'm very grateful to rovo for his work. I have Nexus 5, but I'm still on Android 4.4.4 because of Xposed, and I'm not going to update to 5.0 until the new version of Xposed is done. You can see how important it is for me. @rovo89, I'm pretty sure that many people would pay you to complete your work. I understand that you have higher priorities and you are doing all of this for fun, but have you thought that you have almost 3 millions of downloads? If you create your team of software engineers and sell Xposed at 2$ (2€), you work on it every day for several months, and we assume that most of the current users buy your product, you will have enough money to pay your team and dedicate all of your time at what you want. It's just a suggestion of one of these 3 millions of users, that would pay more than 2$ and appreciate your work so much! Best regards from Spain!
rovo has said on multiple occasions that he won't take money for working on Xposed as he does not want it to become a job where he feels obligated to work on it full time.
He's working on it already. Offers of monetary gain won't make that work go any faster. Everyone will just have to be patient.
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We don't know if he is really doing on it (I hope yes but..) since we have no proofs (only claims) and no documentable code progress since August 2014. Plus, rovo89 was active here last year till August or so. Then he left.
If there are people who want work on it and have enough skills to port it, they should fork it and not wait. I saw some guys on github who want to work on ART port.
He flat out stated he would not post progress publicly either on GitHub or here and to wait until he had something worth publishing (that real contributors could help with) without bothering him. Comments on issues on GitHub do show he is/was working on it.
The real problem is that people are impatient and feel entitled to updates on progress, even though rovo explicitly stated that he wouldn't be doing that.
As for others *wanting* to work on it; nobody is stopping them forking the project and doing so. If they get it working then that would be fantastic and I'm sure everyone including rovo would be happy and grateful. That's the great thing about open source.
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1. Work hard to create something really, really useful.
2. Make it (and all the resources for re-creating it) available for free.
3. Millions of people use it.
4. Decide not to work so hard on it.
5. Get hounded day in and day out for months by thousands of people.
This is a classic example of "No good deed goes unpunished".
Rovo is a saint. In his shoes, I would have told all of the "hounders" to f**k off a long time ago.
In other words, people, learn how to be grateful, get off of Rovo's case, and move on.
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This is sad, I would donate to help the dev, especially since all this is free
i'm a user and for me is normally this long time...the system of cache is completaly changed....and see it immediately in the booting process and the loading apps process.
Be patient!
Go On Rovo u can do that =)
I hope you are wrong
KevinDixson said:
Well guys, looks like Xposed for 5.0 won't ever happen.
(To all you downers out there, its called a joke. Laugh about it. Next thread.)
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It is already 2015 and there is still no support for lollipop. It was working fine with jelly bean. I just installed a custom lollipop rom and I wanted to user xposed with greenify. It seems I have to wait and your saying will just be a conspiracy. You should really stop creating this kind of threads. Value people's creativity. That fact that, there is a delay doors not mean it will not be made. If for anything at all, give them some morale
Lollipop is a completely new system. The difference between KitKat and Lollipop is almost the same as between Windows 95 and Windows XP, if not larger... Lollipop looks like ordinary Android, acts like it, but it is NOT it...
Lets start a counter in this forum and let devs know about popularity of this device so we can get good AOSP rom etc as fast as possible!
"+1" from my side
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+1 for me and another +1 for my cousin who's not in xda
Really pointless thread. If you've followed any of the other AOSP request threads, you'll know that it's a very complicated and involved task. Amassing "+1" posts isn't going to motivate anyone more to take on such a task.
On a more personal note, I don't know why someone would buy a device like the Note 8 just to strip it of all of its features. Personally, I bought my device because of all the features Samsung has put on it. I wouldn't put AOSP on this, likely even if someone paid me, because it would defeat the purpose of having this device in the first place.
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Really pointless thread. If you've followed any of the other AOSP request threads, you'll know that it's a very complicated and involved task. Amassing "+1" posts isn't going to motivate anyone more to take on such a task.
On a more personal note, I don't know why someone would buy a device like the Note 8 just to strip it of all of its features. Personally, I bought my device because of all the features Samsung has put on it. I wouldn't put AOSP on this, likely even if someone paid me, because it would defeat the purpose of having this device in the first place.
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If you think that way you shouldn't be on XDA then, development is main thing we discuss here. Giving support to Dev in any way concerned will help them!
RIPPER said:
If you think that way you shouldn't be on XDA then, development is main thing we discuss here. Giving support to Dev in any way concerned will help them!
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We all have different opinions and preferences, so I think we all belong here. Of course support for devs is always welcome, but a +1 thread may not be the most effective way to go about getting what you want...They can already see the view count on aosp-related threads after all. Maybe try reaching out directly instead.
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If you think that way you shouldn't be on XDA then, development is main thing we discuss here. Giving support to Dev in any way concerned will help them!
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Well, devs, I think, try to develop roms to attain a better experience, adding some features, taking out some not very popular ones, in general to make the overall performance better, as Max Terrible here stated, buying a note series device to strip it down of ALL the features that make it what it is, in my opinion, is pointless, to that effect, you should get a pixel device, clean pure android out of the box
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If you think that way you shouldn't be on XDA then, development is main thing we discuss here. Giving support to Dev in any way concerned will help them!
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Do explain to me how having a thread full of people posting +1 to try and convince a dev to make an AOSP ROM, is considered supporting the dev?
I definitely support the devs and the great work they do on here, but recruiting a mob to basically create a petition for someone to do something you want, is not what I define as support.
I assure you, any and all devs working on the Note 8 are aware of the very, very small group of people that want an AOSP ROM.
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Do explain to me how having a thread full of people posting +1 to try and convince a dev to make an AOSP ROM, is considered supporting the dev?
I definitely support the devs and the great work they do on here, but recruiting a mob to basically create a petition for someone to do something you want, is not what I define as support.
I assure you, any and all devs working on the Note 8 are aware of the very, very small group of people that want an AOSP ROM.
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There would be lot of people who dont upgrade mobile regularly (may be 6 months) some upgrade after 2 years. And u might be knowing samsung way of updates so aosp rom etc is very help to have a taste of latest updates. I know only note special things wont be working but many extra things u will get in these roms. Till now we are not able to use gcams! This shows development for this rom. Intent of this thread was to see popularity of this device and let dev see the demand:laugh:
Thanks for +1 people! Lets go guys!!
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Note 9 got lineage support! Will note 8 get it?
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RIPPER said:
Note 9 got lineage support! Will note 8 get it?
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The Pixel 3 was announced a week ago. Go get that.
Max_Terrible said:
The Pixel 3 was announced a week ago. Go get that.
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Going now! Oops not released yet