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I'm on T-Mobile, and would prefer to buy it from them because I can just pay it month by month or if I want, more each month. You guys get it.
Anyways, are the phones the exact same on the Google Play store and buying it straight from T-Mobile?
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I'm on T-Mobile, and would prefer to buy it from them because I can just pay it month by month or if I want, more each month. You guys get it.
Anyways, are the phones the exact same on the Google Play store and buying it straight from T-Mobile?
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Yep. Everything in the box is identical to the Play Store version except for the manual, which has a T-Mobile logo on it instead of the Nexus logo.
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Yep. Everything in the box is identical to the Play Store version except for the manual, which has a T-Mobile logo on it instead of the Nexus logo.
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Its also important to note that all review devices that were sent out were all T-Mobile versions due to the manual, insinuating that Google's main stock is likely indistinguishable from T-Mobile's stock of the N6 in terms of "differences" between. Also the head Product Manager at T-Mobile confirmed that there will be no carrier bloat or tampering with their stock of the N6.
Buying from T-Mobile is the safest carrier when it comes to Nexus devices. They have never tampered with Nexus devices before and its going to be the same for this Nexus.
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Its also important to note that all review devices that were sent out were all T-Mobile versions due to the manual, insinuating that Google's main stock is likely indistinguishable from T-Mobile's stock of the N6 in terms of "differences" between. Also the head Product Manager at T-Mobile confirmed that there will be no carrier bloat or tampering with their stock of the N6.
Buying from T-Mobile is the safest carrier when it comes to Nexus devices. They have never tampered with Nexus devices before and its going to be the same for this Nexus.
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This is great because we potentially walk into store and pick up the N6 earlier than Google play delivery. One thing I worry about is any difference in CID that may delay OTAs? Is it the consensus here that besides that piece of manual, the phones are identical?
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This is great because we potentially walk into store and pick up the N6 earlier than Google play delivery. One thing I worry about is any difference in CID that may delay OTAs? Is it the consensus here that besides that piece of manual, the phones are identical?
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The Nexus 5 I got from T-Mobile received the same exact updates and used the same exact software as the Play Store version. The only difference was the T-Mobile logo on the box, and with reviewers receiving a mix of carrier / unlocked devices when it comes to the Nexus 6 it looks like Google is treating them as identical as well.
So, is the N6 that T-Mobile sells unlocked just like the one they sell at the Play Store?
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So, is the N6 that T-Mobile sells unlocked just like the one they sell at the Play Store?
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You mean unlocked as in it can be used on multiple carriers and outside the country? Or unlocked as in the bootloader?
Because if its the former, YES. T-Mobile have sold Nexus devices under the guise of a "World Phone" before, stating that because its not locked by carrier or region it can be used with any Sim in any country depending if the service can support the radios the Nexus has.
If the latter is the question you mean, then technically YES. By default the Nexus devices have a locked bootloader, however its not secure and can be easily unlocked and rooted all the same. T-Mobile does not tamper with locking the bootloader on any of their devices and have not ever done so with the Nexus devices they have sold previously before. This just like previous Nexus hardware will be easy to unlock and root!
Anyone know if t-mobile will sell the white version of the N6?
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Anyone know if t-mobile will sell the white version of the N6?
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Not right now, Only Blue is being sold online and in store at release. Perhaps down the road they might sell the white version but right now they are focused on selling only the Blue.
http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/google-nexus-6.html
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You mean unlocked as in it can be used on multiple carriers and outside the country? Or unlocked as in the bootloader?
Because if its the former, YES. T-Mobile have sold Nexus devices under the guise of a "World Phone" before, stating that because its not locked by carrier or region it can be used with any Sim in any country depending if the service can support the radios the Nexus has.
If the latter is the question you mean, then technically YES. By default the Nexus devices have a locked bootloader, however its not secure and can be easily unlocked and rooted all the same. T-Mobile does not tamper with locking the bootloader on any of their devices and have not ever done so with the Nexus devices they have sold previously before. This just like previous Nexus hardware will be easy to unlock and root!
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I meant unlocked as in carrier unlocked. I know Nexus devices are ridiculously easy to unlock and root.
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Yep. Everything in the box is identical to the Play Store version except for the manual, which has a T-Mobile logo on it instead of the Nexus logo.
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Maybe...maybe not...if everything was identical, really identical, why would this reviewer's retail packaging have "GPE" as in Google Play Edition appended to the end of the model #? Would Motorola really have a separate model # just due to the manual?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go10RfUMSRA&feature=youtu.be&t=6s
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People keep getting hardware confused with firmware. The HARDWARE is going to be the same, but until we actually see the phone at T-Mobile, there's no way to know whether it will have the same FIRMWARE. They could quite easily have their own custom firmware (that may be nothing more than added bloat). I'm not saying that this will happen, but it could, and anyone who comes on here and says that it is definitely 100% identical in every way is making an assumption. That assumption may turn out to be true, but at this point, it is still an assumption, not a fact. The same is true for all of the other carriers too. If T-Mobile ends up not having their own firmware, that doesn't absolutely prove that, say, Verizon wont.
Having said that, it's a good sign that some review units seemed to be T-Mobile units, without additional bloat. But keep in mind that often "Review" units are pre-release units, and may not be the same as the final product. So, it still doesn't PROVE that the final T-Mobile units won't have different firmware.
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People keep getting hardware confused with firmware. The HARDWARE is going to be the same, but until we actually see the phone at T-Mobile, there's no way to know whether it will have the same FIRMWARE. They could quite easily have their own custom firmware (that may be nothing more than added bloat). I'm not saying that this will happen, but it could, and anyone who comes on here and says that it is definitely 100% identical in every way is making an assumption. That assumption may turn out to be true, but at this point, it is still an assumption, not a fact. The same is true for all of the other carriers too. If T-Mobile ends up not having their own firmware, that doesn't absolutely prove that, say, Verizon wont.
Having said that, it's a good sign that some review units seemed to be T-Mobile units, without additional bloat. But keep in mind that often "Review" units are pre-release units, and may not be the same as the final product. So, it still doesn't PROVE that the final T-Mobile units won't have different firmware.
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From the mouth of the head Product Manager at T-Mobile.
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From the mouth of the head Product Manager at T-Mobile.
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Assuming that ends up being true, and they don't change their mind at the last minute (which would certainly be very unlike T-Mobile), then the OP question seems answered. That doesn't mean anything in regards to the other carriers yet, but the OP didn't ask about them.
Thanks for that, Dr Faustus.
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Assuming that ends up being true, and they don't change their mind at the last minute (which would certainly be very unlike T-Mobile), then the OP question seems answered. That doesn't mean anything in regards to the other carriers yet, but the OP didn't ask about them.
Thanks for that, Dr Faustus.
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If everything said in this thread is true, and the phone is unlocked, I should be able to walk into a t-mobile on launch day and purchase one to use on Verizon. Correct?
I know that this has been answered several different ways and everyone keeps saying same phone, but just confirming... lol I want to be sure.
Thanks!
amberkalvin said:
If everything said in this thread is true, and the phone is unlocked, I should be able to walk into a t-mobile on launch day and purchase one to use on Verizon. Correct?
I know that this has been answered several different ways and everyone keeps saying same phone, but just confirming... lol I want to be sure.
Thanks!
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The reason it's been answered so many different ways is that people are really just guessing, or assuming that the same hardware means it will work. The reality is a bit different though.
If you'd said you wanted to take it to AT&T, I'd say it'd almost certainly work, but Verizon, like other CDMA carriers, has been known in the past to whitelist IMEI numbers, and refuse to activate units not on that list. Units sent to that carrier, units sent out directly from the manufacturer (e.g. warranty replacements), and units sent to contractual partners (like the Play Store) are always added to the whitelist. This is why you can be virtually certain that Play Store units will work on Verizon. (Although, as the 2013 version of the Nexus 7 showed, it may take some time.) However, there is enough history to seriously question whether units sent to other carriers will be allowed.
In truth, we simply don't know, and there's NO WAY to know until someone tries it.
Well, I understand the logic behind that. Wouldn't that mean that since most if not all of the test phones sent out were tmobile phones, the video showing that one working on verizon posted by Droid Life prove that it should work.
http://www.droid-life.com/2014/10/31/nexus-6-working-on-verizon-out-of-the-box/
Time will tell, I understand. I just want one so badly. I've never wanted to pay full retail for a phone so badly only to have it become unavailable immediately upon release.
The phone is unlocked unbranded and no bloat.
Why do people keep asking and debating and questioning?
@askdes has answered all this. If anybody would know, it would be him.
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amberkalvin said:
If everything said in this thread is true, and the phone is unlocked, I should be able to walk into a t-mobile on launch day and purchase one to use on Verizon. Correct?
I know that this has been answered several different ways and everyone keeps saying same phone, but just confirming... lol I want to be sure.
Thanks!
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Yes....and no.
It would work the same regardless of US Carrier as long as you have a working sim for that carrier to use in the N6.
BUT. And this is a pretty big BUT, T-Mobile stores have confirmed that they will NOT be selling the N6 straight out without contract. They will only sell the device with the intent of selling a plan/upgrade of current customers. Not an off contract purchase.
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You mean unlocked as in it can be used on multiple carriers and outside the country? Or unlocked as in the bootloader?
Because if its the former, YES. T-Mobile have sold Nexus devices under the guise of a "World Phone" before, stating that because its not locked by carrier or region it can be used with any Sim in any country depending if the service can support the radios the Nexus has.
If the latter is the question you mean, then technically YES. By default the Nexus devices have a locked bootloader, however its not secure and can be easily unlocked and rooted all the same. T-Mobile does not tamper with locking the bootloader on any of their devices and have not ever done so with the Nexus devices they have sold previously before. This just like previous Nexus hardware will be easy to unlock and root!
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Small correction. T-Mo will lock bootloaders of Sony devices only.
Anybody come across any info regarding what Verizon can/will do to lock down the Nexus 6? Also, if I purchase an unbranded Nexus directly from Google and take it to Verizon for service, do I have to let them put any bloat or do anything to lock my phone down? I really like the Nexus 6 and since a OPO is out of the question, being on Verizon, the N6 is most appealing to me. I have an S4 and really like it but I'm ready to move on from Sammy.
"It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery." - Galatians 5:1
I don't think Verizon can add anything to it. If by some corrupt chance they are, they cannot do anything to you if you bring your own device.
US carriers have asinine power. But, you should be safe either way.
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I don't think Verizon can add anything to it. If by some corrupt chance they are, they cannot do anything to you if you bring your own device.
US carriers have asinine power. But, you should be safe either way.
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I can't say anything about the nexus 6, but I can say that I bought the Galaxy Nexus on release date for Verizon they had it loaded with ISIS ( locked from using Wallet ) and My Verizon app, both of which without rooting you couldn't remove, just disable. So they WILL probably install their Softcard NFC paying app ( New name for ISIS, for obvious reasons ) and their in house Verizon apps they install on the rest of their phones. I just want the phone to come out through them. I'm locked to them due to employer, but I get discounts on phones through them too, so I'm gonna wait it out just a little bit.
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I can't say anything about the nexus 6, but I can say that I bought the Galaxy Nexus on release date for Verizon they had it loaded with ISIS ( locked from using Wallet ) and My Verizon app, both of which without rooting you couldn't remove, just disable. So they WILL probably install their Softcard NFC paying app ( New name for ISIS, for obvious reasons ) and their in house Verizon apps they install on the rest of their phones. I just want the phone to come out through them. I'm locked to them due to employer, but I get discounts on phones through them too, so I'm gonna wait it out just a little bit.
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But the bootloader wasn't locked. And it wasn't a unified phone.
The play store had wallet locked from being installed on it. Not the phone. Part of the deal with Google.
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I'm more worried about when they are going to release it. Artem from android police said he's heard from the beginning that Verizon would lag behind all carriers with their release, and that it may even be in 2015. Along with all the mysterious things like google leaving out verizon on some of the page updates I'm starting to wonder if it is true.
Even if they did modify it in any fashion, I doubt any of the hardware is changed. Download the Nexus Factory Image, unlock the bootloader, and flash it. Instant stock/unmodified Nexus 6.
If purchased from the Play Store, I really don't think there's anything Verizon can do to muck up the phone when you activate it. Can't imagine there's any protocol in place for the phone to become "locked down" or anything when it gets activated on Verizon. At worst, I've heard some rumors that Lollipop has a function that can allow carrier-specific apps to be downloaded right away from the Play Store when it's activated on a particular carrier service, but that said apps could still be removed like any other.
From the looks of things, Play Store Nexus 6 devices should work just fine when you pop in a Verizon SIM card. Now, for those wanting to get a subsidized version of the phone, yeah, you might have to wait a bit longer for Verizon to sell it. It's a little odd to me that Verizon is seemingly opting to wait to sell it, themselves, compared to everyone else, but from what we've seen, the phone does, in fact, work on their network, so if you're willing to spend the extra cash on the Play Store version (or, if you're like me, stuck on a contract for several more months and HAVING to pay full retail price anyway), that might be the way to go.
I was lucky enough to get my pre order through the Play Store yesterday and immediately went and asked in Google's Nexus Q&A if Verizon support was going to work out of box... Ive attached a screenie.
It's a Nexus. It won't be locked down. It may come with some bloat but easily removed. If by some infinitesimal chance they do have it locked down, well I'm on month to month so bye - bye Verizon.
If you aren't going to root & rom, what the hell is the point of buying a Nexus anyway?
liljoe727 said:
Anybody come across any info regarding what Verizon can/will do to lock down the Nexus 6? Also, if I purchase an unbranded Nexus directly from Google and take it to Verizon for service, do I have to let them put any bloat or do anything to lock my phone down? I really like the Nexus 6 and since a OPO is out of the question, being on Verizon, the N6 is most appealing to me. I have an S4 and really like it but I'm ready to move on from Sammy.
"It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery." - Galatians 5:1
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liljoe727 said:
Anybody come across any info regarding what Verizon can/will do to lock down the Nexus 6? Also, if I purchase an unbranded Nexus directly from Google and take it to Verizon for service, do I have to let them put any bloat or do anything to lock my phone down? I really like the Nexus 6 and since a OPO is out of the question, being on Verizon, the N6 is most appealing to me. I have an S4 and really like it but I'm ready to move on from Sammy.
"It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery." - Galatians 5:1
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But the bootloader wasn't locked. And it wasn't a unified phone.
The play store had wallet locked from being installed on it. Not the phone. Part of the deal with Google.
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Yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry if that was confusing, it was very very late.
Last I saw was this
http://www.reddit.com/r/nexus6/comments/2lhrm2/detailed_information_on_status_of_the_nexus_6_and/
doesn't really clear the mud any, but doesn't sound too surprising either if it's true, especially considering verizon
lordgodgeneral said:
Last I saw was this
http://www.reddit.com/r/nexus6/comments/2lhrm2/detailed_information_on_status_of_the_nexus_6_and/
doesn't really clear the mud any, but doesn't sound too surprising either if it's true, especially considering verizon
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I dunno man, reddit is suspect IMO and I was under the impression Verizon had already approved the Nexus 6 for their network. I doubt the reddit post is reliable though I suppose it might be. I think I read on the Nexus 6 was on the approved list on the Verizon website, a customer service rep said it was, though I could have read it somewhere else.
"It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery." - Galatians 5:1
People, Don't believe everything you read on reddit. The phone is definitely going to work on Verizon, the only up in the air question is when you can buy a subsidized one.
Also Verizon is not adding bloatware and definitely not locking it down.
BTW I work for Verizon and this is what I do know.
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People, Don't believe everything you read on reddit. The phone is definitely going to work on Verizon, the only up in the air question is when you can buy a subsidized one.
Also Verizon is not adding bloatware and definitely not locking it down.
BTW I work for Verizon and this is what I do know.
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You telling me I can buy one outright from the Play Store or even T-Mobile(and not get service) and walk into a Verizon store and get the N6 added on my account without issue?
"Your words were found and I ate them, And Your words became for me a joy and the delight of my heart; For I have been called by Your name, O LORD God of hosts." - Jeremiah 15:16
i popped a Verizon sim in and it works fine. Well getting LTE anyway.
I don't know about the Verizon store Nexus 6, but Verizon can't really do anything to lock down the phone from play store unless the next android upgrade has to go through Verizon.
http://www.droid-life.com/2014/10/31/nexus-6-working-on-verizon-out-of-the-box/
For those wondering if the Nexus 6 will work on Verizon or not. Here's proof it does work.
Now the state of the carrier subsidized version of the Nexus 6 and if it will be different then the Play edition is still up in the air. Swear to god if the delay is so they can lock it down and throw their logos all over the phone....
liljoe727 said:
You telling me I can buy one outright from the Play Store or even T-Mobile(and not get service) and walk into a Verizon store and get the N6 added on my account without issue?
"Your words were found and I ate them, And Your words became for me a joy and the delight of my heart; For I have been called by Your name, O LORD God of hosts." - Jeremiah 15:16
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Playstore for sure, as for T mobile I don't know.
There is a Verizon store next to my gym so I went in there tonight to ask some questions. While the guy did not know anymore then I did about when the N6 would be available through Verizon, he did confirm that purchasing one through the Play Store and mayyybbbeee even through T Mobile and just bringing it in for service wouldn't be a problem.
"Your words were found and I ate them, And Your words became for me a joy and the delight of my heart; For I have been called by Your name, O LORD God of hosts." - Jeremiah 15:16
I don't think many people question whether the Nexus 6 will work on Verizon's network. I think those with the Verizon questions (such as myself) are looking to get the phone on contract. My Verizon contract is up Nov 21st and I'd love to get a stock Nexus 6 on contract with no bloatware. If I can't do that I'll probably look closer at the Droid Turbo or wait a little while longer on getting a new phone. Hate to wait too long though on the phone subsidy model.
V is tight on information regarding availability at its stores. Arrrggg...
Anyone have an ideal time frame?
verizon hasnt announced it yet, so nobody knows.
Latest rumor is Verizon will not be carrying the Nexus 6. They wanted their own version. Like any other phone. Bloated apps that can't be removed, maybe even a locked bootloader. Google said NO and now maybe it won't be offered on Verizon.
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Finally Nexus 6
flyaway718 said:
V is tight on information regarding availability at its stores. Arrrggg...
Anyone have an ideal time frame?
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It's supposedly the 13th of December, a few sites on the web are announcing this now.
rebretz000 said:
Latest rumor is Verizon will not be carrying the Nexus 6. They wanted their own version. Like any other phone. Bloated apps that can't be removed, maybe even a locked bootloader. Google said NO and now maybe it won't be offered on Verizon.
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That doesn't hold weight, google mostly allowed it to at&t . . carrier locked, custom boot animation, carrier specific bloat, even at&t branding on the device.
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That doesn't hold weight, google mostly allowed it to at&t . . carrier locked, custom boot animation, carrier specific bloat, even at&t branding on the device.
Sent from my Nexus 6
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The AT&T version is only carrier locked until you pay it off.
That's what I've heard from someone who seems to be in the know and right a lot.
http://androidspin.com/2014/12/02/r...us-6-become-available-saturday-december-13th/
I hope this is true.
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Even if this is not true.... I do feel like we're edging closer. I spoke to rep at my local store yesterday and she said that it was def coming.... Just no date. In the past we got no information whatsoever.
I hope they do come soon. I need a new Nano SIM for mine.
I'm going to love when they finally get it. As long as Verizon doesn't pull the same **** the did with the m8, and try to lock the boot loader, idc what kind of bloat it has as I'll immediately be putting a custom ROM on it. And as long as they don't brand it with that ugly vzw logo.
Sometime mid to late December. At least that's what the rumors are saying.
Obviously I don't have a Verizon Nexus 6 as it is not yet available. But from what I have gleaned from this forum is that if you do get a Verizon N6, you can avoid bloat being installed if you activate and set it up over WiFi WITHOUT the SIM card in it. Supposedly, that avoids all of the bloat being installed.
With an unlockable bootloader, it shouldn't be an issue to remove bloat, but why not prevent it from being installed in the first place? Of course, if some of that "bloat" is necessary for VoLTE, well then you would have to do a factory reset and go through set up again with the Verizon SIM card in the phone.
The thing is, though, the bloat that gets installed is an application or two like the Verizon account manager and whatever. It really doesn't install bloat like Flipboard or Dropbox.
I recommend leaving the SIM in the phone to properly activate the device when being set up, or you risk certain features not being set up properly. If it installs anything, remember, they are 100% uninstallable applications. I'm not sure why everybody is so averse to it. Even T-Mobile only installing the account manager got people upset. Juste don't buy the phone from Verizon and you avoid the actual bloat like the boot animation, ringtones, back panel branding, and other stuff.
Unless there is something I'm not aware of, just set up the phone with the SIM card.
Yes I am on Verizon right now with my N6 but even when they do go live with a lot of "bloat" it is easily disabled or "frozen" without root. This phone was designed to be easy to program and will not be easily locked down by VZW.
Even though I would highly suggest you do unlock your phone and root it. I have been on Verizon for over 6 years and I have never not rooted. I am very anti bloat, anti advertisements, and hate having apps I will never use running on my phone.
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With an unlockable bootloader, it shouldn't be an issue to remove bloat, but why not prevent it from being installed in the first place?
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This statement tells me you don't quite understand what's going on here. It's non sequitur.
The bootloader is indeed unlockable but this has nothing whatsoever to do with removing this bloatware. This isn't like when they used to include bloat on the /system partition. These apps are installed from the Play Store and can be fully removed by simply uninstalling them. Taking your SIM out to set the phone up is utterly pointless
The only thing different the Verizon model should have different is the carrier specific ring tones, Verizon boot animation, and possibly boot sound. Everything else is the same.
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This statement tells me you don't quite understand what's going on here. It's non sequitur.
The bootloader is indeed unlockable but this has nothing whatsoever to do with removing this bloatware.
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I understand perfectly fine. Unlocking a Motorola bootloader has everything to do with getting root and you need root to get rid of MyVerizon, NFL Mobile and Verizon Navigator.
While you may be satisfied with letting the bloat take up storage on your phone, others are not (especially when you only have 32GB and no SD card). The Verizon bloat is not removable w/o root and root is not possible on these newer Motorola phones w/o unlocking the bootloader. I know, I have a Verizon Moto X 2014 and it sucks to have this crapware take up storage on your device when it only has 32GB to begin with and no SD card. If you don't have root, you can only disable the Verizon bloatware, not remove it.
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This isn't like when they used to include bloat on the /system partition. These apps are installed from the Play Store and can be fully removed by simply uninstalling them.
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No they cannot. They can only be disabled. You aren't on Verizon are you? If you were, you would know that you can't remove the bloat w/o root.
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Taking your SIM out to set the phone up is utterly pointless
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No it's not for the reason I said. You would have to unlock the bootloader, get root and then you could remove the bloatware.
We shall see if Verizon forces the bloat onto the Nexus 6, but since they did with the GNex and since 2 of these apps are paid features through Verizon, I am certain they will do it.
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The only thing different the Verizon model should have different is the carrier specific ring tones, Verizon boot animation, and possibly boot sound. Everything else is the same.
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There isn't a chance in heck that they won't load MyVerizon, Verizon Navigator and NFL Mobile onto the Verizon N6. They will be loaded just like they were with the GNex.
JulesJam said:
I understand perfectly fine. Unlocking a Motorola bootloader has everything to do with getting root and you need root to get rid of MyVerizon, NFL Mobile and Verizon Navigator.
While you may be satisfied with letting the bloat take up storage on your phone, others are not (especially when you only have 32GB and no SD card). The Verizon bloat is not removable w/o root and root is not possible on these newer Motorola phones w/o unlocking the bootloader. I know, I have a Verizon Moto X 2014 and it sucks to have this crapware take up storage on your device when it only has 32GB to begin with and no SD card. If you don't have root, you can only disable the Verizon bloatware, not remove it.
No they cannot. They can only be disabled. You aren't on Verizon are you? If you were, you would know that you can't remove the bloat w/o root.
No it's not for the reason I said. You would have to unlock the bootloader, get root and then you could remove the bloatware.
We shall see if Verizon forces the bloat onto the Nexus 6, but since they did with the GNex and since 2 of these apps are paid features through Verizon, I am certain they will do it.
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You're simply wrong here. OEM specific apps/changes are not installed on the /system partition on the Nexus 6. They are either installed at boot via the play store or added to the /oem partition. The bootanimation, sounds, etc that might be installed on the Verizon Nexus would not be removable without root. Any apps would be simply removed by normal means. Do some research before arguing and making yourself look foolish please.
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You're simply wrong here. OEM specific apps/changes are not installed on the /system partition on the Nexus 6. They are either installed at boot via the play store or added to the /oem partition.
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So I can remove them from my locked down tight Verizon Moto X 2014? How? I would like to get them off of my device, thanks.
JulesJam said:
So I can remove them from my locked down tight Verizon Moto X 2014? How? I would like to get them off of my device, thanks.
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Your Moto X isn't a Nexus. Go check out how the AT&T Nexus works. And do some reading on carrier apps on Nexus 6 as Google has already discussed how this will work.
akellar said:
Your Moto X isn't a Nexus. Go check out how the AT&T Nexus works. And do some reading on carrier apps on Nexus 6 as Google has already discussed how this will work.
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So you are saying that if I left my N6 locked and unrooted, I would still be able to remove MyVerizon, Verizon Navigator and NFL Mobile?
I think you might be missing the point here. you are comparing apples and oranges. the Moto X is not a pure android experience device. The nexus is released by Google with the sole point of being pure android. that's why you can remove them without root on a nexus and not on a moto x.
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So you are saying that if I left my N6 locked and unrooted, I would still be able to remove MyVerizon, Verizon Navigator and NFL Mobile?
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Yes, just like everybody else has
RPelham said:
I think you might be missing the point here. you are comparing apples and oranges. the Moto X is not a pure android experience device. The nexus is released by Google with the sole point of being pure android. that's why you can remove them without root on a nexus and not on a moto x.
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Thanks, that is actually a helpful explanation (unlike the posts of other hostile posters who are unnecessarily rude). I will have to take a look at how as I don't remember that being possible on the GNex. It's been a long time since we have had a Nexus on Verizon and I am trying to remember what it was like, lol!
JulesJam said:
Thanks, that is actually a helpful explanation (unlike the posts of other hostile posters who are unnecessarily rude). I will have to take a look at it as I don't remember that being possible on the GNex.
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no problem. don't forget, its Verizon. anything is possible for them. it wouldn't surprise me if by some 1 in a million chance they get away with loading their apps on the system partition (though I highly doubt it). its all speculation until the device is released. no one can confirm for sure who's right until someone buys it.
RPelham said:
no problem. don't forget, its Verizon. anything is possible for them. it wouldn't surprise me if by some 1 in a million chance they get away with loading their apps on the system partition (though I highly doubt it). its all speculation until the device is released. no one can confirm for sure who's right until someone buys it.
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This is how I feel about Verizon, too. Particularly since they made us wait so long for the N6. Although, I suspect that Google wanted VoLTE to work on the Verizon N6 at release so that may have been the cause of the delay.
I am going to test whether or not VoLTE as a feature sticks on my line by putting an iP6 on it, enabling VoLTE then putting my Moto X back on it. If the VoLTE feature sticks on my line, then I am going with the white N6 from Motorola and won't have to worry about this anyhow. I will flip an iPhone with my upgrade.
JulesJam said:
This is how I feel about Verizon, too. Particularly since they made us wait so long for the N6. Although, I suspect that Google wanted VoLTE to work on the Verizon N6 at release so that may have been the cause of the delay.
I am going to test whether or not VoLTE as a feature sticks on my line by putting an iP6 on it, enabling VoLTE then putting my Moto X back on it. If the VoLTE feature sticks on my line, then I am going with the white N6 from Motorola and won't have to worry about this anyhow. I will flip an iPhone with my upgrade.
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might be the reason they waited so long, but IMO it took way too long. I was with Verizon and jumped ship after the n6 was released for 2 weeks and there was no release date in sight. I'm glad I did because I love my n6 and getting it over 3 months ago was nice! I'm glad I didn't wait, can't stand how long Verizon takes to release new hardware (even worst for software).
JulesJam said:
Thanks, that is actually a helpful explanation (unlike the posts of other hostile posters who are unnecessarily rude). I will have to take a look at how as I don't remember that being possible on the GNex. It's been a long time since we have had a Nexus on Verizon and I am trying to remember what it was like, lol!
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It wasn't possible on GNex.
JulesJam said:
Thanks, that is actually a helpful explanation (unlike the posts of other hostile posters who are unnecessarily rude). I will have to take a look at how as I don't remember that being possible on the GNex. It's been a long time since we have had a Nexus on Verizon and I am trying to remember what it was like, lol!
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I apologize if I came off as rude. As @RPelham said, it's all speculation at this point anyway. We don't know what Google let Verizon get away with. But it does appear likely theyll use the same OEM customization that the other carriers are using, which doesn't affect the /system partition
if your all so worried about the bloatware then buy from motorola or google. Its that simple. Heck even motorola offers a payment plan for their devices.
With the 3's and 3a's on T-Mobile, I am almost certain they will; but I have not heard/seen anything official. Hoping someone with some inside knowledge can confirm or deny.
Really hoping they don't go back to "exclusive", or wait until the 4a comes out to sell it on other carriers.
Their contract ended with Verizon so it would be very unwise of Google to limit the carriers it sells its devices on.
I highly doubt they'd renew a partnership given how successful the Pixel has been lately, and their move to sell the Pixel 3a at other carriers highly suggests that their premium devices will follow the same trend
If that isn't enough confirmation then I don't know what is. Their exclusivity with Verizon was initially a great thing to get things rolling, but with each iteration of the Pixel following that, it's really done more harm than good.
And with them supposedly talking to D ish about establishing their own full fledged carrier it seems even less likely that they wouldn't embrace other carriers too given that their new carrier would literally use TMobile and Sprint towers to comply with the 4 carrier requirement needed for a Sprint and TMobile merger.
So no, I don't have any direct information to state otherwise, but on a financial level it would be awful of Google to not endorse other carriers.
Honestly, what I'm more interested in is knowing how they plan to support Verizon's standard for 5g while complying with the others as it vastly differs... Or better yet, if it will support 5g at all
Doubts and hopes are what I started with, mate. I am well aware of the history behind the deals and partnerships.
Looking for confirmation from an inside source.
PhoenixPath said:
Doubts and hopes are what I started with, mate. I am well aware of the history behind the deals and partnerships.
Looking for confirmation from an inside source.
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I spoke to my friend at T-MOBILE and she confirmed that they will in fact be selling the 4.
It's not like it really matters since Google sells it direct anyways. Even if it was available from my carrier (AT&T in my case) I'd still buy it from Google so the carrier can't get its hands on it.
I would never buy it from a carrier. They will lock the bootloader and no root for you! Just look at the forums for the recent pixel 3a/3axl. Even if you don't plan on rooting now, it's nice to know you at least have the option should you choose to. You can also finance through Google.
The OnePlus devices may be instructive: These had bootloaders which could be unlocked after they were sim unlocked. The timing for sim unlock depended on how good a customer you were in some cases but primarily was based on having the device paid off. The smarter money if no deals were involved was simply buying from OnePlus direct because the updates are significantly faster. I would expect something similar here if it is indeed sold by Tmo.
jimv1983 said:
It's not like it really matters since Google sells it direct anyways. Even if it was available from my carrier (AT&T in my case) I'd still buy it from Google so the carrier can't get its hands on it.
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Eudeferrer said:
I would never buy it from a carrier. They will lock the bootloader and no root for you! Just look at the forums for the recent pixel 3a/3axl. Even if you don't plan on rooting now, it's nice to know you at least have the option should you choose to. You can also finance through Google.
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Amen!! Haven't used a carrier phone since the Nexus 6P was released!
tj_f said:
Amen!! Haven't used a carrier phone since the Nexus 6P was released!
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It is true !
The page is live, but if they really lock the bootloader, you can count me out! I'm still pissed about the fingerprint reader anyway!
https://www.t-mobile.com/offers/google-phone-deals
JeepFreak said:
The page is live, but if they really lock the bootloader, you can count me out! I'm still pissed about the fingerprint reader anyway!
https://www.t-mobile.com/offers/google-phone-deals
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Well, if it's fully paid for, I don't see why they won't let you unlock it. Unless you're going for a plan, which is completely understandable. Not everyone has a grand to drop at one time. But at the same time, you can't really gripe if they don't let you unlock a device you haven't fully paid for.