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So, this thread has 2 purposes.
1) I'm sort of confused as to when AT&T is supposed to get this phone. It just says "Coming soon" on their web site. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem waiting. I just dislike the mystery of it all. Most people are talking about the Nexus 6 release on the Play Store, which seems to be an enigma in and of itself. But how is there no clear indication when it'll be available on AT&T (or Verizon or whatever)? Why even put the web page up if everything is such a mystery?
2) I'd like to use this thread for someone to post (including myself) when they DO see that the Nexus 6 is available for pre-order or just plain order. I keep refreshing the page like a dope (don't worry, it's not manual) and I wonder why I'm even doing it. Is the pre-order page going to magically appear one day? Does anyone have an estimate as to when? Or should I just drop this whole pre-order idea and just go in the store sometime later in November?
Okay, that's all. Any comments are welcome.
T-Mobile is officially not doing a pre-order. I suspect the same is true of all carriers, even if they haven't announced that fact.
The rumor (with some convincing back-up) is that they'll be available to order outright from carriers next week. We'll see if that's true.
At this point I'm starting to think that carriers are not going to do preorders and just sell it when device is in stock. Hopefully around November 12th like we heard with some of the other carriers.
Well I stopped in an AT&T store today just for the heck of it and asked one of the techs there if he knew anything about a possible Nexus 6 availability date. He said he had no clue. 'Just a lot of rumors right now". He said he's been scouring the Internet for more information.
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i work at an att store, and i try my best to learn EVERYTHING about the upcoming nexus 6. but we only get official information pretty much the time you guys would, with a few exceptions. nothing so far.
Maybe somebody can enlighten me here. I do not see the point of buying this device through AT&T? I mean unless you want a contract or next. Wouldn't it be smart to buy it completely unlocked via Google Play? Will it be the same version? I know AT&T locks down all of their bootloaders.
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Maybe somebody can enlighten me here. I do not see the point of buying this device through AT&T? I mean unless you want a contract or next. Wouldn't it be smart to buy it completely unlocked via Google Play? Will it be the same version? I know AT&T locks down all of their bootloaders.
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its not hard.
contract or next: you decide to stay on att because you are satisfied with their service. you have the option to pay a 199.99 (rumored for subsidized) or 53.62 (sales tax for next) for the device with a plan for some time (2 years). you are content with the phone itself, you do not feel the need to unlock administrator privileges.
unlocked: you like to hackzor the romerino bootloaderino and jump around between carriers for your amusement and 649.99 is chump change to you
MattMJB0188 said:
Maybe somebody can enlighten me here. I do not see the point of buying this device through AT&T? I mean unless you want a contract or next. Wouldn't it be smart to buy it completely unlocked via Google Play? Will it be the same version? I know AT&T locks down all of their bootloaders.
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Not all bootloaders. M8 is fully unlockable through htc's official website. S-off does require some hackz but it wouldn't even be possible if at&t didn't show us to unlock through an official channel
kyan~ said:
its not hard.
contract or next: you decide to stay on att because you are satisfied with their service. you have the option to pay a 199.99 (rumored for subsidized) or 53.62 (sales tax for next) for the device with a plan for some time (2 years). you are content with the phone itself, you do not feel the need to unlock administrator privileges.
unlocked: you like to hackzor the romerino bootloaderino and jump around between carriers for your amusement and 649.99 is chump change to you
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Keep us updated. Thanks for letting me know I need 53.62 to get mine whenever they release it
MattMJB0188 said:
Maybe somebody can enlighten me here. I do not see the point of buying this device through AT&T? I mean unless you want a contract or next. Wouldn't it be smart to buy it completely unlocked via Google Play? Will it be the same version? I know AT&T locks down all of their bootloaders.
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I am planning on buying mine from ATT on the Next 12 simply because I dont have $650+tax to spend on a new phone right now with Christmas coming up. Also I need to actually use my Next upgrade every 12-13 months to make it worthwhile, otherwise the cost of having Next actually costs the same or more than buying the phone outright or on a 2-year. Whereas if I upgrade every 12 months I only pay $400 for a phone, instead of $600+ for a normal price on an off contract flagship every year. Makes sense to me saving $200 a year. But if ATT locks the bootloader down so that I cant simply do a "Fastboot OEM Unlock" or have an unlock method available right away then I wont be buying the ATT version. Having a locked Nexus would just be heresy.
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T-Mobile is officially not doing a pre-order. I suspect the same is true of all carriers, even if they haven't announced that fact.
The rumor (with some convincing back-up) is that they'll be available to order outright from carriers next week. We'll see if that's true.
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I have a friend who works at a T -Mobile in MD and she said it will be in stock on the 14th.
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kyan~ said:
i work at an att store, and i try my best to learn EVERYTHING about the upcoming nexus 6. but we only get official information pretty much the time you guys would, with a few exceptions. nothing so far.
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I work on Customer Care (Call Center) and pretty much all customer-related info are revealed at the same time that AT&T as company acknowledged publicly, although some of us are trying our best to give actual information (and trying not to speculate like some other AT&T depts have been doing unfortunately and personally I feel ashamed about it), so bear with us that has NO control on information and why AT&T does not give details.
Keep in mind that this is the first time for AT&T for the Nexus brand and probably the prefer delay that screwing up.
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MattMJB0188 said:
Maybe somebody can enlighten me here. I do not see the point of buying this device through AT&T? I mean unless you want a contract or next. Wouldn't it be smart to buy it completely unlocked via Google Play? Will it be the same version? I know AT&T locks down all of their bootloaders.
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I believe that although not a complete privilege as Apple, AT&T might let the exception that Google and Motorola handles all direct updates on the OS side of the device so no worries here.
Bootloaders locked are really common, even the previous Nexus devices did came with bootloader locked and just with proper acknowledgement that you WILL LOSE your warranty, Motorola, nor Google CANNOT deny root access to the device, but might resverse the right to look into your reason on why you are requesting a unlock on the bootloader (ALL THIS assuming all follow HTC's policies on customer registering as developers to request the bootloader unlock).
The other advantages is the AT&T Next in which gives you a economic "relief" until you are ready to pay completely the device or sacrificing two years for have the device under a special price.
watch att encrypting the bootloader to hell and back and loading the system partition with garbage apps nobody wants
I'm patiently waiting to pick it off the playstore(don't want a tainted Nexus) [emoji6]
Like I've said before, I just don't see the point of the "Nexus" if AT&T is going to lock it down. If this is the case then Google might as well abandon the whole concept of a Nexus device. Re-brand it and be done with it.
EniGmA1987 said:
I am planning on buying mine from ATT on the Next 12 simply because I dont have $650+tax to spend on a new phone right now with Christmas coming up. Also I need to actually use my Next upgrade every 12-13 months to make it worthwhile, otherwise the cost of having Next actually costs the same or more than buying the phone outright or on a 2-year. Whereas if I upgrade every 12 months I only pay $400 for a phone, instead of $600+ for a normal price on an off contract flagship every year. Makes sense to me saving $200 a year. But if ATT locks the bootloader down so that I cant simply do a "Fastboot OEM Unlock" or have an unlock method available right away then I wont be buying the ATT version. Having a locked Nexus would just be heresy.
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When I looked at the Next plan last time, I thought I have to pay the whole price of the phone before I can upgrade. So If I buy a phone worth $600 on the Next plan. In 2 years I pay $400. Can I upgrade to new phone without paying rest of $200? Doesn't sound right to me. Can anyone confirm this please?
EDIT: Went to ATT website and looked closely. In 12 months, I can trade in the phone and remaining cost of the phone will be waived off. It does look pretty promising except the locked bootloader part.
All Nexus devices have a locked bootloader. You have to unlock it yourself, which you WILL be able to do with 99.99999999999% certainty.
Good news, everyone! Google announced this on the Play Store:
The Nexus 6 will also be available in AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, and U.S. Cellular stores later in November. Please check with your local carrier store for more information.
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That is good news. I mean, AT&T has had the Nexus 6 page up and live for some time now, here:
https://www.att.com/cellphones/moto...L&wtExtndSource=moto-nexus-6#fbid=9LjL8okyF7P
I'm just tired of looking at the "Coming Soon" status, lol. It would be nice to know when it will be available. Some people are saying the 12th. Others are saying the 14th. Then who knows, it may be towards the end of the month. It's all a mystery and will probably remain one until the phone is actually available for purchase.
https://plus.google.com/107797272029781254158/posts/R97cSgo8bDH
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I work on Customer Care (Call Center) and pretty much all customer-related info are revealed at the same time that AT&T as company acknowledged publicly, although some of us are trying our best to give actual information (and trying not to speculate like some other AT&T depts have been doing unfortunately and personally I feel ashamed about it), so bear with us that has NO control on information and why AT&T does not give details.
Keep in mind that this is the first time for AT&T for the Nexus brand and probably the prefer delay that screwing up.
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I believe that although not a complete privilege as Apple, AT&T might let the exception that Google and Motorola handles all direct updates on the OS side of the device so no worries here.
Bootloaders locked are really common, even the previous Nexus devices did came with bootloader locked and just with proper acknowledgement that you WILL LOSE your warranty, Motorola, nor Google CANNOT deny root access to the device, but might resverse the right to look into your reason on why you are requesting a unlock on the bootloader (ALL THIS assuming all follow HTC's policies on customer registering as developers to request the bootloader unlock).
The other advantages is the AT&T Next in which gives you a economic "relief" until you are ready to pay completely the device or sacrificing two years for have the device under a special price.
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This isn't the first time AT&T has had a nexus device for sale.
However I'm curious as to how it will be handled. My main concern is locking down of the phone...which shouldn't be done (it's a nexus after all). AT&T locking down the note 4 is what is keeping me from going from my note 2 directly to the note 4.
Also, they like to gouge us on price. I'm curious what they will charge for it.
I'm on T-Mobile, and would prefer to buy it from them because I can just pay it month by month or if I want, more each month. You guys get it.
Anyways, are the phones the exact same on the Google Play store and buying it straight from T-Mobile?
XxKINGxX2580 said:
I'm on T-Mobile, and would prefer to buy it from them because I can just pay it month by month or if I want, more each month. You guys get it.
Anyways, are the phones the exact same on the Google Play store and buying it straight from T-Mobile?
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Yep. Everything in the box is identical to the Play Store version except for the manual, which has a T-Mobile logo on it instead of the Nexus logo.
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Yep. Everything in the box is identical to the Play Store version except for the manual, which has a T-Mobile logo on it instead of the Nexus logo.
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Its also important to note that all review devices that were sent out were all T-Mobile versions due to the manual, insinuating that Google's main stock is likely indistinguishable from T-Mobile's stock of the N6 in terms of "differences" between. Also the head Product Manager at T-Mobile confirmed that there will be no carrier bloat or tampering with their stock of the N6.
Buying from T-Mobile is the safest carrier when it comes to Nexus devices. They have never tampered with Nexus devices before and its going to be the same for this Nexus.
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Its also important to note that all review devices that were sent out were all T-Mobile versions due to the manual, insinuating that Google's main stock is likely indistinguishable from T-Mobile's stock of the N6 in terms of "differences" between. Also the head Product Manager at T-Mobile confirmed that there will be no carrier bloat or tampering with their stock of the N6.
Buying from T-Mobile is the safest carrier when it comes to Nexus devices. They have never tampered with Nexus devices before and its going to be the same for this Nexus.
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This is great because we potentially walk into store and pick up the N6 earlier than Google play delivery. One thing I worry about is any difference in CID that may delay OTAs? Is it the consensus here that besides that piece of manual, the phones are identical?
mehdi_s82 said:
This is great because we potentially walk into store and pick up the N6 earlier than Google play delivery. One thing I worry about is any difference in CID that may delay OTAs? Is it the consensus here that besides that piece of manual, the phones are identical?
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The Nexus 5 I got from T-Mobile received the same exact updates and used the same exact software as the Play Store version. The only difference was the T-Mobile logo on the box, and with reviewers receiving a mix of carrier / unlocked devices when it comes to the Nexus 6 it looks like Google is treating them as identical as well.
So, is the N6 that T-Mobile sells unlocked just like the one they sell at the Play Store?
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So, is the N6 that T-Mobile sells unlocked just like the one they sell at the Play Store?
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You mean unlocked as in it can be used on multiple carriers and outside the country? Or unlocked as in the bootloader?
Because if its the former, YES. T-Mobile have sold Nexus devices under the guise of a "World Phone" before, stating that because its not locked by carrier or region it can be used with any Sim in any country depending if the service can support the radios the Nexus has.
If the latter is the question you mean, then technically YES. By default the Nexus devices have a locked bootloader, however its not secure and can be easily unlocked and rooted all the same. T-Mobile does not tamper with locking the bootloader on any of their devices and have not ever done so with the Nexus devices they have sold previously before. This just like previous Nexus hardware will be easy to unlock and root!
Anyone know if t-mobile will sell the white version of the N6?
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Anyone know if t-mobile will sell the white version of the N6?
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Not right now, Only Blue is being sold online and in store at release. Perhaps down the road they might sell the white version but right now they are focused on selling only the Blue.
http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/google-nexus-6.html
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You mean unlocked as in it can be used on multiple carriers and outside the country? Or unlocked as in the bootloader?
Because if its the former, YES. T-Mobile have sold Nexus devices under the guise of a "World Phone" before, stating that because its not locked by carrier or region it can be used with any Sim in any country depending if the service can support the radios the Nexus has.
If the latter is the question you mean, then technically YES. By default the Nexus devices have a locked bootloader, however its not secure and can be easily unlocked and rooted all the same. T-Mobile does not tamper with locking the bootloader on any of their devices and have not ever done so with the Nexus devices they have sold previously before. This just like previous Nexus hardware will be easy to unlock and root!
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I meant unlocked as in carrier unlocked. I know Nexus devices are ridiculously easy to unlock and root.
flightsimmer said:
Yep. Everything in the box is identical to the Play Store version except for the manual, which has a T-Mobile logo on it instead of the Nexus logo.
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Maybe...maybe not...if everything was identical, really identical, why would this reviewer's retail packaging have "GPE" as in Google Play Edition appended to the end of the model #? Would Motorola really have a separate model # just due to the manual?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go10RfUMSRA&feature=youtu.be&t=6s
(screencap appears 6 seconds in)
People keep getting hardware confused with firmware. The HARDWARE is going to be the same, but until we actually see the phone at T-Mobile, there's no way to know whether it will have the same FIRMWARE. They could quite easily have their own custom firmware (that may be nothing more than added bloat). I'm not saying that this will happen, but it could, and anyone who comes on here and says that it is definitely 100% identical in every way is making an assumption. That assumption may turn out to be true, but at this point, it is still an assumption, not a fact. The same is true for all of the other carriers too. If T-Mobile ends up not having their own firmware, that doesn't absolutely prove that, say, Verizon wont.
Having said that, it's a good sign that some review units seemed to be T-Mobile units, without additional bloat. But keep in mind that often "Review" units are pre-release units, and may not be the same as the final product. So, it still doesn't PROVE that the final T-Mobile units won't have different firmware.
jt3 said:
People keep getting hardware confused with firmware. The HARDWARE is going to be the same, but until we actually see the phone at T-Mobile, there's no way to know whether it will have the same FIRMWARE. They could quite easily have their own custom firmware (that may be nothing more than added bloat). I'm not saying that this will happen, but it could, and anyone who comes on here and says that it is definitely 100% identical in every way is making an assumption. That assumption may turn out to be true, but at this point, it is still an assumption, not a fact. The same is true for all of the other carriers too. If T-Mobile ends up not having their own firmware, that doesn't absolutely prove that, say, Verizon wont.
Having said that, it's a good sign that some review units seemed to be T-Mobile units, without additional bloat. But keep in mind that often "Review" units are pre-release units, and may not be the same as the final product. So, it still doesn't PROVE that the final T-Mobile units won't have different firmware.
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From the mouth of the head Product Manager at T-Mobile.
Dr Faustus said:
From the mouth of the head Product Manager at T-Mobile.
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Assuming that ends up being true, and they don't change their mind at the last minute (which would certainly be very unlike T-Mobile), then the OP question seems answered. That doesn't mean anything in regards to the other carriers yet, but the OP didn't ask about them.
Thanks for that, Dr Faustus.
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Assuming that ends up being true, and they don't change their mind at the last minute (which would certainly be very unlike T-Mobile), then the OP question seems answered. That doesn't mean anything in regards to the other carriers yet, but the OP didn't ask about them.
Thanks for that, Dr Faustus.
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If everything said in this thread is true, and the phone is unlocked, I should be able to walk into a t-mobile on launch day and purchase one to use on Verizon. Correct?
I know that this has been answered several different ways and everyone keeps saying same phone, but just confirming... lol I want to be sure.
Thanks!
amberkalvin said:
If everything said in this thread is true, and the phone is unlocked, I should be able to walk into a t-mobile on launch day and purchase one to use on Verizon. Correct?
I know that this has been answered several different ways and everyone keeps saying same phone, but just confirming... lol I want to be sure.
Thanks!
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The reason it's been answered so many different ways is that people are really just guessing, or assuming that the same hardware means it will work. The reality is a bit different though.
If you'd said you wanted to take it to AT&T, I'd say it'd almost certainly work, but Verizon, like other CDMA carriers, has been known in the past to whitelist IMEI numbers, and refuse to activate units not on that list. Units sent to that carrier, units sent out directly from the manufacturer (e.g. warranty replacements), and units sent to contractual partners (like the Play Store) are always added to the whitelist. This is why you can be virtually certain that Play Store units will work on Verizon. (Although, as the 2013 version of the Nexus 7 showed, it may take some time.) However, there is enough history to seriously question whether units sent to other carriers will be allowed.
In truth, we simply don't know, and there's NO WAY to know until someone tries it.
Well, I understand the logic behind that. Wouldn't that mean that since most if not all of the test phones sent out were tmobile phones, the video showing that one working on verizon posted by Droid Life prove that it should work.
http://www.droid-life.com/2014/10/31/nexus-6-working-on-verizon-out-of-the-box/
Time will tell, I understand. I just want one so badly. I've never wanted to pay full retail for a phone so badly only to have it become unavailable immediately upon release.
The phone is unlocked unbranded and no bloat.
Why do people keep asking and debating and questioning?
@askdes has answered all this. If anybody would know, it would be him.
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amberkalvin said:
If everything said in this thread is true, and the phone is unlocked, I should be able to walk into a t-mobile on launch day and purchase one to use on Verizon. Correct?
I know that this has been answered several different ways and everyone keeps saying same phone, but just confirming... lol I want to be sure.
Thanks!
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Yes....and no.
It would work the same regardless of US Carrier as long as you have a working sim for that carrier to use in the N6.
BUT. And this is a pretty big BUT, T-Mobile stores have confirmed that they will NOT be selling the N6 straight out without contract. They will only sell the device with the intent of selling a plan/upgrade of current customers. Not an off contract purchase.
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You mean unlocked as in it can be used on multiple carriers and outside the country? Or unlocked as in the bootloader?
Because if its the former, YES. T-Mobile have sold Nexus devices under the guise of a "World Phone" before, stating that because its not locked by carrier or region it can be used with any Sim in any country depending if the service can support the radios the Nexus has.
If the latter is the question you mean, then technically YES. By default the Nexus devices have a locked bootloader, however its not secure and can be easily unlocked and rooted all the same. T-Mobile does not tamper with locking the bootloader on any of their devices and have not ever done so with the Nexus devices they have sold previously before. This just like previous Nexus hardware will be easy to unlock and root!
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Small correction. T-Mo will lock bootloaders of Sony devices only.
Anybody come across any info regarding what Verizon can/will do to lock down the Nexus 6? Also, if I purchase an unbranded Nexus directly from Google and take it to Verizon for service, do I have to let them put any bloat or do anything to lock my phone down? I really like the Nexus 6 and since a OPO is out of the question, being on Verizon, the N6 is most appealing to me. I have an S4 and really like it but I'm ready to move on from Sammy.
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I don't think Verizon can add anything to it. If by some corrupt chance they are, they cannot do anything to you if you bring your own device.
US carriers have asinine power. But, you should be safe either way.
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I don't think Verizon can add anything to it. If by some corrupt chance they are, they cannot do anything to you if you bring your own device.
US carriers have asinine power. But, you should be safe either way.
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I can't say anything about the nexus 6, but I can say that I bought the Galaxy Nexus on release date for Verizon they had it loaded with ISIS ( locked from using Wallet ) and My Verizon app, both of which without rooting you couldn't remove, just disable. So they WILL probably install their Softcard NFC paying app ( New name for ISIS, for obvious reasons ) and their in house Verizon apps they install on the rest of their phones. I just want the phone to come out through them. I'm locked to them due to employer, but I get discounts on phones through them too, so I'm gonna wait it out just a little bit.
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I can't say anything about the nexus 6, but I can say that I bought the Galaxy Nexus on release date for Verizon they had it loaded with ISIS ( locked from using Wallet ) and My Verizon app, both of which without rooting you couldn't remove, just disable. So they WILL probably install their Softcard NFC paying app ( New name for ISIS, for obvious reasons ) and their in house Verizon apps they install on the rest of their phones. I just want the phone to come out through them. I'm locked to them due to employer, but I get discounts on phones through them too, so I'm gonna wait it out just a little bit.
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But the bootloader wasn't locked. And it wasn't a unified phone.
The play store had wallet locked from being installed on it. Not the phone. Part of the deal with Google.
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I'm more worried about when they are going to release it. Artem from android police said he's heard from the beginning that Verizon would lag behind all carriers with their release, and that it may even be in 2015. Along with all the mysterious things like google leaving out verizon on some of the page updates I'm starting to wonder if it is true.
Even if they did modify it in any fashion, I doubt any of the hardware is changed. Download the Nexus Factory Image, unlock the bootloader, and flash it. Instant stock/unmodified Nexus 6.
If purchased from the Play Store, I really don't think there's anything Verizon can do to muck up the phone when you activate it. Can't imagine there's any protocol in place for the phone to become "locked down" or anything when it gets activated on Verizon. At worst, I've heard some rumors that Lollipop has a function that can allow carrier-specific apps to be downloaded right away from the Play Store when it's activated on a particular carrier service, but that said apps could still be removed like any other.
From the looks of things, Play Store Nexus 6 devices should work just fine when you pop in a Verizon SIM card. Now, for those wanting to get a subsidized version of the phone, yeah, you might have to wait a bit longer for Verizon to sell it. It's a little odd to me that Verizon is seemingly opting to wait to sell it, themselves, compared to everyone else, but from what we've seen, the phone does, in fact, work on their network, so if you're willing to spend the extra cash on the Play Store version (or, if you're like me, stuck on a contract for several more months and HAVING to pay full retail price anyway), that might be the way to go.
I was lucky enough to get my pre order through the Play Store yesterday and immediately went and asked in Google's Nexus Q&A if Verizon support was going to work out of box... Ive attached a screenie.
It's a Nexus. It won't be locked down. It may come with some bloat but easily removed. If by some infinitesimal chance they do have it locked down, well I'm on month to month so bye - bye Verizon.
If you aren't going to root & rom, what the hell is the point of buying a Nexus anyway?
liljoe727 said:
Anybody come across any info regarding what Verizon can/will do to lock down the Nexus 6? Also, if I purchase an unbranded Nexus directly from Google and take it to Verizon for service, do I have to let them put any bloat or do anything to lock my phone down? I really like the Nexus 6 and since a OPO is out of the question, being on Verizon, the N6 is most appealing to me. I have an S4 and really like it but I'm ready to move on from Sammy.
"It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery." - Galatians 5:1
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liljoe727 said:
Anybody come across any info regarding what Verizon can/will do to lock down the Nexus 6? Also, if I purchase an unbranded Nexus directly from Google and take it to Verizon for service, do I have to let them put any bloat or do anything to lock my phone down? I really like the Nexus 6 and since a OPO is out of the question, being on Verizon, the N6 is most appealing to me. I have an S4 and really like it but I'm ready to move on from Sammy.
"It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery." - Galatians 5:1
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But the bootloader wasn't locked. And it wasn't a unified phone.
The play store had wallet locked from being installed on it. Not the phone. Part of the deal with Google.
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Yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry if that was confusing, it was very very late.
Last I saw was this
http://www.reddit.com/r/nexus6/comments/2lhrm2/detailed_information_on_status_of_the_nexus_6_and/
doesn't really clear the mud any, but doesn't sound too surprising either if it's true, especially considering verizon
lordgodgeneral said:
Last I saw was this
http://www.reddit.com/r/nexus6/comments/2lhrm2/detailed_information_on_status_of_the_nexus_6_and/
doesn't really clear the mud any, but doesn't sound too surprising either if it's true, especially considering verizon
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I dunno man, reddit is suspect IMO and I was under the impression Verizon had already approved the Nexus 6 for their network. I doubt the reddit post is reliable though I suppose it might be. I think I read on the Nexus 6 was on the approved list on the Verizon website, a customer service rep said it was, though I could have read it somewhere else.
"It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery." - Galatians 5:1
People, Don't believe everything you read on reddit. The phone is definitely going to work on Verizon, the only up in the air question is when you can buy a subsidized one.
Also Verizon is not adding bloatware and definitely not locking it down.
BTW I work for Verizon and this is what I do know.
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People, Don't believe everything you read on reddit. The phone is definitely going to work on Verizon, the only up in the air question is when you can buy a subsidized one.
Also Verizon is not adding bloatware and definitely not locking it down.
BTW I work for Verizon and this is what I do know.
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You telling me I can buy one outright from the Play Store or even T-Mobile(and not get service) and walk into a Verizon store and get the N6 added on my account without issue?
"Your words were found and I ate them, And Your words became for me a joy and the delight of my heart; For I have been called by Your name, O LORD God of hosts." - Jeremiah 15:16
i popped a Verizon sim in and it works fine. Well getting LTE anyway.
I don't know about the Verizon store Nexus 6, but Verizon can't really do anything to lock down the phone from play store unless the next android upgrade has to go through Verizon.
http://www.droid-life.com/2014/10/31/nexus-6-working-on-verizon-out-of-the-box/
For those wondering if the Nexus 6 will work on Verizon or not. Here's proof it does work.
Now the state of the carrier subsidized version of the Nexus 6 and if it will be different then the Play edition is still up in the air. Swear to god if the delay is so they can lock it down and throw their logos all over the phone....
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You telling me I can buy one outright from the Play Store or even T-Mobile(and not get service) and walk into a Verizon store and get the N6 added on my account without issue?
"Your words were found and I ate them, And Your words became for me a joy and the delight of my heart; For I have been called by Your name, O LORD God of hosts." - Jeremiah 15:16
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Playstore for sure, as for T mobile I don't know.
There is a Verizon store next to my gym so I went in there tonight to ask some questions. While the guy did not know anymore then I did about when the N6 would be available through Verizon, he did confirm that purchasing one through the Play Store and mayyybbbeee even through T Mobile and just bringing it in for service wouldn't be a problem.
"Your words were found and I ate them, And Your words became for me a joy and the delight of my heart; For I have been called by Your name, O LORD God of hosts." - Jeremiah 15:16
I don't think many people question whether the Nexus 6 will work on Verizon's network. I think those with the Verizon questions (such as myself) are looking to get the phone on contract. My Verizon contract is up Nov 21st and I'd love to get a stock Nexus 6 on contract with no bloatware. If I can't do that I'll probably look closer at the Droid Turbo or wait a little while longer on getting a new phone. Hate to wait too long though on the phone subsidy model.
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...06/oneplus-6t-tmobile-us-android-phone-report
Well this is interesting news and great for us T-Mobile customers.
The big question that remains is... will the T-Mobile version have a bootloader that can't be unlocked? If so, the deal is off. However, if the bootloader on the T-Mobile version is unlockable, this may be a great option for those of us on T-Mobile. It will allow me to sell the OP6 and pickup the 6T through my carrier, with no up-front cost, using my active 'JUMP! On Demand' program.
Pretty excited to see how this pans out. But I'll remain perfectly happy with my OP6, in the mean time.
What would be the difference between carrier and international unlock phone?
The bootloader would most likely stay unlocked. Due to the open betas it does and os previews. T-Mobile doesn't lock the devices it's the phone maker. And it's also the warrenty. Us has rule that if the bootloader is unlocked the warrenty is void. But OnePlus give you the tools to fix your device and doesn't void your warrenty if you unlock.
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What would be the difference between carrier and international unlock phone?
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That's still up in the air. It will come down to whether or not the bootloader is unlockable on the T-Mobile version. But, as joemossjr mentioned, it's unlikely that the T-Mobile variant of the 6T would prevent you from unlocking the bootloader, considering it goes against everything we know and love with previous/current OnePlus phones. But, time will tell.
It would be nice to be able to get the phone on my JoD. Of course I might have to wait as I just got the red OP6
Read about this today... definitely has my attention! The 6T spec's sound awesome...
It will definitely be network locked.
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I'm excited about this, but also curious about what changes will be made for the 6t. We may see an even bigger bump than from the 5 to the 5t, as this will be huge opportunity for OnePlus. What do you guys think?
I want to know what optimized for the carriers network means. Does that mean the unlocked version you get from OP won't be the same you pick up from T-mobile?
They both would have band 71 (the 6 does) so what are they optimizing?
I definitely want to take advantage of band 71 since my 5T isn't capable. Just curious to see the differences in the 2.
If the carrier version truly is better somehow, as long as it stayed the same price & didn't include bloat ware, I'd be tempted.
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This is horrible news. This is going to ruin op devices. They are going to get ready more expensive they are going to require you to buy a plan that your locked into for years. This will make it harder to get op devices in the future as well since they will do credit checks and all that to see if your even eligible. I hope this doesn't happen. The whole point of these phones is being unlocked already.
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This is horrible news. This is going to ruin op devices. They are going to get ready more expensive they are going to require you to buy a plan that your locked into for years. This will make it harder to get op devices in the future as well since they will do credit checks and all that to see if your even eligible. I hope this doesn't happen. The whole point of these phones is being unlocked already.
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LOL don't panic! Geez.
#1 there are no contracts for T-mobile and hasn't been for about 4 years or so.
#2 It will require a credit check if you do a payment plan over 24 months instead of buying it outright.
#3 You can STILL just buy the phone FROM OnePlus. They aren't only selling it through OnePlus. Buying through T-mobile will just allow you to make payments if you can't or don't want to pay in full upfront.
People actually use Tmobile???
dgunn said:
People actually use Tmobile???
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Are you trying to be sarcastic?
Lol
dgunn said:
People actually use Tmobile???
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People still use AT&T?
People still use Smartphones?! [emoji50]
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People still use AT&T?
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People actually use Tmobile???
Liking our tmobile $30. 5 gig plan's for the last 5 years.
Am I the only one who doesn't trust an American Cellular Provider to NOT completely destroy the software before they offer the phone and then delay standard updates for six months to a year? I think OnePlus would have been better off negotiating with Best Buy and making Amazon an official retailer (hell Walmart is an option too here).
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Am I the only one who doesn't trust an American Cellular Provider to NOT completely destroy the software before they offer the phone and then delay standard updates for six months to a year? I think OnePlus would have been better off negotiating with Best Buy and making Amazon an official retailer (hell Walmart is an option too here).
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Out off all the carriers. T-Mobile is the best one not to add a bunch of crap to it. Historically they don't do much to the overall software.
Everyone needs to relax, geez....[emoji849][emoji41]
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6T ~ T-Mobile :laugh:
Did a speed test in Henderson, nv today. T-Mobile
I have to root my phones (not wanting to pay $30 for Verizon tether), is anyone aware if the Pixel 4 XL from Verizon will have the bootloader locked, and unable to be rooted? In addition to that, would we see a root for the unlocked version? Thanks
Pretty sure most carrier devices are going to remain locked until you pay it off. At least, that's the logical rationale. I can't imagine they want people unlocking devices they haven't paid for. As far as root, that should be a simple process of just patching the boot.img
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Pretty sure most carrier devices are going to remain locked until you pay it off. At least, that's the logical rationale. I can't imagine they want people unlocking devices they haven't paid for. As far as root, that should be a simple process of just patching the boot.img
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the lock not something they ever lift? My current 2 XL was paid retail but they never allowed me to unlock the bootloader. They do allow for any carrier SIM to be used in it.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the lock not something they ever lift? My current 2 XL was paid retail but they never allowed me to unlock the bootloader. They do allow for any carrier SIM to be used in it.
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If you bought the Verizon Pixel 2 XL it had a locked bootloader. Since it was exclusive to Verizon. The unlocked version directly from Google did not have a locked bootloader. That was the same for the Pixel 3 and 3 XL. I am not sure about the Pixel 3a and 3a XL since it was not exclusive to Verizon.
Does anyone know if the Pixel 3a or 3a XL came with a locked bootloader?
EDIT: There's a thread over on the Pixel 3a XL where a bunch of carrier and non-carrier devices had locked bootloaders. I would be careful which device you buy going forward until you hear others chime in on the greyed out unlocked button.
When in doubt, buy directly from Google.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the lock not something they ever lift? My current 2 XL was paid retail but they never allowed me to unlock the bootloader. They do allow for any carrier SIM to be used in it.
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This is correct. Verizon is a mofo. Doesn't make much sense. I mean, you paid for the device, you should be able to do what you want with it
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This is correct. Verizon is a mofo. Doesn't make much sense. I mean, you paid for the device, you should be able to do what you want with it
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This right here has been the case with Verizon going ALL the way back to the Verizon Galaxy Nexus. **** Verizon!
Yep, never buy the carrier modesl unless you have absolutely no other option. In the case of Tmo with OnePlus and similar phones you could get an unlock (both carrier and bootloader) after the device was paid off. You still have to deal with a little bloat and later updates along with lesser issues. AT&T will have this one and their policies are similar to Verizon so I wouldn't go that way unless you hate yourself. No idea on Sprint, that have nothing in my area so I haven't paid attention. The previous posters were 100 prevent though, buying unlocked is the way. Tmo if you must to get a deal but only after verifying the bootloader can be unlocked.
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Yep, never buy the carrier modesl unless you have absolutely no other option. In the case of Tmo with OnePlus and similar phones you could get an unlock (both carrier and bootloader) after the device was paid off. You still have to deal with a little bloat and later updates along with lesser issues. AT&T will have this one and their policies are similar to Verizon so I wouldn't go that way unless you hate yourself. No idea on Sprint, that have nothing in my area so I haven't paid attention. The previous posters were 100 prevent though, buying unlocked is the way. Tmo if you must to get a deal but only after verifying the bootloader can be unlocked.
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I currently have a one plus 7pro from T-Mobile that is still financed. The bootloader was locked until you paid off your device and waited the mandatory 45 days. Some were able to talk to T-force and got their devices unlocked early whether they financed or not. I was one of the unlucky ones that could not negotiate with T-force to unlock my device. Luckily there was a nice person that worked for TMobile that was in the forums and was able to unlock my phone. We will see what happens when we get the devices and start working on them. I will be financing my phone with them again next Thursday.
I purchased the Unlocked model. I currently have Pixel 2XL Verizon (Bootloader Locked), not a huge issue. But there are times where I wish I had a rooted phone. Not making that mistake again.
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I currently have a one plus 7pro from T-Mobile that is still financed. The bootloader was locked until you paid off your device and waited the mandatory 45 days. Some were able to talk to T-force and got their devices unlocked early whether they financed or not. I was one of the unlucky ones that could not negotiate with T-force to unlock my device. Luckily there was a nice person that worked for TMobile that was in the forums and was able to unlock my phone. We will see what happens when we get the devices and start working on them. I will be financing my phone with them again next Thursday.
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Did you try calling in multiple times? That often works although some people can't seem to catch a break on it. I've been on a number of OP devices and I'm familiar with what you're talking about; Saw it most recently on the 6T but it goes back further. I had them unlock a SGS6 the day I bought it, I paid cash but still the word was it couldn't be done without a dwell period, I remember it being 30 days at that time but maybe it was 45, been a while. In any event the very next year was the one were it turned out Tmo couldn't unlock your bootloader, came from Samsung they said. I remember there being an exploit coming out for that but I had already given away my S7 and moved on to the next thing before they figured that out. Not much over a year later Samsung started the BS with bootloaders on their international unlocked phones and I didn't keep the Note 8 long either. IMO if root is a must it's a good idea to let someone else be the guinea pig and profit from that information unless you've got enough ching to walk away without worrying about it.
I'm pretty sure this phone will also be exactly as you describe on Tmo and I agree with you BTW, just saying the smart money if a man needs to be careful is to wait for the first phones to meet their owners a few of who will unlock and root or attempt to do it. Or as I said in my first post, buy unlocked direct from Goog or Fi if possible.
There is not likely to be any bootloader unlock for the P4 and P4XL for carrier versions unless an exploit is found (which doesn't seem likely anymore). Google does not provide carriers an interface to change the device type, nor do they provide that interface to their own customer service and support teams. It's not a matter of hounding customer service or posting on the right forum because they can't help you. It's an obligation that Google has to meet if they want to keep their big carrier contracts in the United States.
The only unlocking requirement for carrier specific versions is having the ability to SIM unlock the device for portability between networks. Most carriers will do this upon request if you have international travel plans or have completed a certain percentage of your device financing.
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There is not likely to be any bootloader unlock for the P4 and P4XL for carrier versions unless an exploit is found (which doesn't seem likely anymore). Google does not provide carriers an interface to change the device type, nor do they provide that interface to their own customer service and support teams. It's not a matter of hounding customer service or posting on the right forum because they can't help you. It's an obligation that Google has to meet if they want to keep their big carrier contracts in the United States.
The only unlocking requirement for carrier specific versions is having the ability to SIM unlock the device for portability between networks. Most carriers will do this upon request if you have international travel plans or have completed a certain percentage of your device financing.
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So, the devices are shipped to the carriers already locked? Interesting. for some reason I always thought it was the individual carriers that lock them down and then would unlock it when you fully paid off the device. So you're saying, even if you fully pay off the device, you will never be able to unlock a carrier pixel 4/XL? Wow, that's a bummer.
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So, the devices are shipped to the carriers already locked? Interesting. for some reason I always thought it was the individual carriers that lock them down and then would unlock it when you fully paid off the device. So you're saying, even if you fully pay off the device, you will never be able to unlock a carrier pixel 4/XL? Wow, that's a bummer.
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Correct. Enthusiasts have a channel to bootloader unlock, which is buying directly from Google where Google provides it's own support.
Carriers are only looking to sell you a device that's stable to work on their own networks. What do the carriers have to gain at all from controlling the bootloader unlock? They have nothing to gain from it except a support migraine.
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Correct. Enthusiasts have a channel to bootloader unlock, which is buying directly from Google where Google provides it's own support.
Carriers are only looking to sell you a device that's stable to work on their own networks. What do the carriers have to gain at all from controlling the bootloader unlock? They have nothing to gain from it except a support migraine.
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Yeah, that makes sense when you put it that way. Just took me by surprise when OP and it's carrier phones pretty much allow you to do whatever you want to the device, once it's paid off. Still can't stand OP, but I have to admit, that's a check mark in their corner
Keep in mind Google does not require it like Samsung does so it's left up to the carrier. Tmo has been unlocking similar devices and there is little reason to think it wont happen here. In the opposing camp you have Verizon which demands a locked bootloader and few exploits have been found to circumvent it on recent devices. Meanwhile something to consider is that even the unlocked straight from google device is not really unlocked in the way some people think: Before you can unlock the bootloader it absolutely must phone home. Don't give the phone that connection and you cannot unlock it. Samsung does the same thing. We are not in control of our devices anymore, they can pull the plug on unlocking any time they want simply by denying it via that same connection even if you have already unlocked it. Samsung did this a few years ago in just that way and to this date no one has found a way around it that doesn't cause real pain with the wait a week and all that BS.
I called several times and got on with T-force sever times and no luck. I got lucky when the post I described about unlocking and got mine done. I always device finance because of the 0% apr and jump on demand so all I need to is bring my phone, get my new phone and profit.
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Pretty sure most carrier devices are going to remain locked until you pay it off. At least, that's the logical rationale. I can't imagine they want people unlocking devices they haven't paid for. As far as root, that should be a simple process of just patching the boot.img
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"simple process" "just patch the boot img" come on man.. Ask the people that own a pixel 3 from Verizon. Please don't spread wrong info
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"simple process" "just patch the boot img" come on man.. Ask the people that own a pixel 3 from Verizon. Please don't spread wrong info
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You mean, ask the people who were dumb enough to buy a locked down device? I'll pass. People that have purchased Verizon's in the past, as you have stated, would obviously know this doesn't apply to them. I was more referring to, since we don't have recovery yet, you would have to patch the boot img manually.
Honestly, I ALMOST got me and my wife's from Verizon (she definitely jumped on the pixel bandwagon). They have a buy one, get one free. Sooo, I kept thinking about root, but ultimately decided I'd rather save $900. Evidently, there's some caveats. One, the get one is for a new line. No biggie, I'll just cancel the one number and add a new one (her phone is paid off, I don't think there's a termination fee after two years). Two, you have to sign up for an unlimited plan. That piece completely wiped the price difference and then some for me. Sooo, I smiled a bit and bought them unlocked from Google. The only reason I would buy directly is for a huge price savings.
Another thing I thought of too, there is an early upgrade fee with V if I were to decide to upgrade to the 5xl next year. So, that's another caveat. I'm glad I just went with unlocked. Hoping it doesn't take long to root.
This time around I placed a pre-order with Google Fi.
All their Pixels are both SIM & Bootloader Unlocked even on
financing, same as Google Store.