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[Q] Nexus 6 on AT&T

So, this thread has 2 purposes.
1) I'm sort of confused as to when AT&T is supposed to get this phone. It just says "Coming soon" on their web site. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem waiting. I just dislike the mystery of it all. Most people are talking about the Nexus 6 release on the Play Store, which seems to be an enigma in and of itself. But how is there no clear indication when it'll be available on AT&T (or Verizon or whatever)? Why even put the web page up if everything is such a mystery?
2) I'd like to use this thread for someone to post (including myself) when they DO see that the Nexus 6 is available for pre-order or just plain order. I keep refreshing the page like a dope (don't worry, it's not manual) and I wonder why I'm even doing it. Is the pre-order page going to magically appear one day? Does anyone have an estimate as to when? Or should I just drop this whole pre-order idea and just go in the store sometime later in November?
Okay, that's all. Any comments are welcome.

T-Mobile is officially not doing a pre-order. I suspect the same is true of all carriers, even if they haven't announced that fact.
The rumor (with some convincing back-up) is that they'll be available to order outright from carriers next week. We'll see if that's true.

At this point I'm starting to think that carriers are not going to do preorders and just sell it when device is in stock. Hopefully around November 12th like we heard with some of the other carriers.

Well I stopped in an AT&T store today just for the heck of it and asked one of the techs there if he knew anything about a possible Nexus 6 availability date. He said he had no clue. 'Just a lot of rumors right now". He said he's been scouring the Internet for more information.
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i work at an att store, and i try my best to learn EVERYTHING about the upcoming nexus 6. but we only get official information pretty much the time you guys would, with a few exceptions. nothing so far.

Maybe somebody can enlighten me here. I do not see the point of buying this device through AT&T? I mean unless you want a contract or next. Wouldn't it be smart to buy it completely unlocked via Google Play? Will it be the same version? I know AT&T locks down all of their bootloaders.

MattMJB0188 said:
Maybe somebody can enlighten me here. I do not see the point of buying this device through AT&T? I mean unless you want a contract or next. Wouldn't it be smart to buy it completely unlocked via Google Play? Will it be the same version? I know AT&T locks down all of their bootloaders.
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its not hard.
contract or next: you decide to stay on att because you are satisfied with their service. you have the option to pay a 199.99 (rumored for subsidized) or 53.62 (sales tax for next) for the device with a plan for some time (2 years). you are content with the phone itself, you do not feel the need to unlock administrator privileges.
unlocked: you like to hackzor the romerino bootloaderino and jump around between carriers for your amusement and 649.99 is chump change to you

MattMJB0188 said:
Maybe somebody can enlighten me here. I do not see the point of buying this device through AT&T? I mean unless you want a contract or next. Wouldn't it be smart to buy it completely unlocked via Google Play? Will it be the same version? I know AT&T locks down all of their bootloaders.
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Not all bootloaders. M8 is fully unlockable through htc's official website. S-off does require some hackz but it wouldn't even be possible if at&t didn't show us to unlock through an official channel

kyan~ said:
its not hard.
contract or next: you decide to stay on att because you are satisfied with their service. you have the option to pay a 199.99 (rumored for subsidized) or 53.62 (sales tax for next) for the device with a plan for some time (2 years). you are content with the phone itself, you do not feel the need to unlock administrator privileges.
unlocked: you like to hackzor the romerino bootloaderino and jump around between carriers for your amusement and 649.99 is chump change to you
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Keep us updated. Thanks for letting me know I need 53.62 to get mine whenever they release it

MattMJB0188 said:
Maybe somebody can enlighten me here. I do not see the point of buying this device through AT&T? I mean unless you want a contract or next. Wouldn't it be smart to buy it completely unlocked via Google Play? Will it be the same version? I know AT&T locks down all of their bootloaders.
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I am planning on buying mine from ATT on the Next 12 simply because I dont have $650+tax to spend on a new phone right now with Christmas coming up. Also I need to actually use my Next upgrade every 12-13 months to make it worthwhile, otherwise the cost of having Next actually costs the same or more than buying the phone outright or on a 2-year. Whereas if I upgrade every 12 months I only pay $400 for a phone, instead of $600+ for a normal price on an off contract flagship every year. Makes sense to me saving $200 a year. But if ATT locks the bootloader down so that I cant simply do a "Fastboot OEM Unlock" or have an unlock method available right away then I wont be buying the ATT version. Having a locked Nexus would just be heresy.

gtalum said:
T-Mobile is officially not doing a pre-order. I suspect the same is true of all carriers, even if they haven't announced that fact.
The rumor (with some convincing back-up) is that they'll be available to order outright from carriers next week. We'll see if that's true.
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I have a friend who works at a T -Mobile in MD and she said it will be in stock on the 14th.
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kyan~ said:
i work at an att store, and i try my best to learn EVERYTHING about the upcoming nexus 6. but we only get official information pretty much the time you guys would, with a few exceptions. nothing so far.
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I work on Customer Care (Call Center) and pretty much all customer-related info are revealed at the same time that AT&T as company acknowledged publicly, although some of us are trying our best to give actual information (and trying not to speculate like some other AT&T depts have been doing unfortunately and personally I feel ashamed about it), so bear with us that has NO control on information and why AT&T does not give details.
Keep in mind that this is the first time for AT&T for the Nexus brand and probably the prefer delay that screwing up.
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MattMJB0188 said:
Maybe somebody can enlighten me here. I do not see the point of buying this device through AT&T? I mean unless you want a contract or next. Wouldn't it be smart to buy it completely unlocked via Google Play? Will it be the same version? I know AT&T locks down all of their bootloaders.
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I believe that although not a complete privilege as Apple, AT&T might let the exception that Google and Motorola handles all direct updates on the OS side of the device so no worries here.
Bootloaders locked are really common, even the previous Nexus devices did came with bootloader locked and just with proper acknowledgement that you WILL LOSE your warranty, Motorola, nor Google CANNOT deny root access to the device, but might resverse the right to look into your reason on why you are requesting a unlock on the bootloader (ALL THIS assuming all follow HTC's policies on customer registering as developers to request the bootloader unlock).
The other advantages is the AT&T Next in which gives you a economic "relief" until you are ready to pay completely the device or sacrificing two years for have the device under a special price.

watch att encrypting the bootloader to hell and back and loading the system partition with garbage apps nobody wants
I'm patiently waiting to pick it off the playstore(don't want a tainted Nexus) [emoji6]

Like I've said before, I just don't see the point of the "Nexus" if AT&T is going to lock it down. If this is the case then Google might as well abandon the whole concept of a Nexus device. Re-brand it and be done with it.

EniGmA1987 said:
I am planning on buying mine from ATT on the Next 12 simply because I dont have $650+tax to spend on a new phone right now with Christmas coming up. Also I need to actually use my Next upgrade every 12-13 months to make it worthwhile, otherwise the cost of having Next actually costs the same or more than buying the phone outright or on a 2-year. Whereas if I upgrade every 12 months I only pay $400 for a phone, instead of $600+ for a normal price on an off contract flagship every year. Makes sense to me saving $200 a year. But if ATT locks the bootloader down so that I cant simply do a "Fastboot OEM Unlock" or have an unlock method available right away then I wont be buying the ATT version. Having a locked Nexus would just be heresy.
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When I looked at the Next plan last time, I thought I have to pay the whole price of the phone before I can upgrade. So If I buy a phone worth $600 on the Next plan. In 2 years I pay $400. Can I upgrade to new phone without paying rest of $200? Doesn't sound right to me. Can anyone confirm this please?
EDIT: Went to ATT website and looked closely. In 12 months, I can trade in the phone and remaining cost of the phone will be waived off. It does look pretty promising except the locked bootloader part.

All Nexus devices have a locked bootloader. You have to unlock it yourself, which you WILL be able to do with 99.99999999999% certainty.

Good news, everyone! Google announced this on the Play Store:
The Nexus 6 will also be available in AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, and U.S. Cellular stores later in November. Please check with your local carrier store for more information.
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That is good news. I mean, AT&T has had the Nexus 6 page up and live for some time now, here:
https://www.att.com/cellphones/moto...L&wtExtndSource=moto-nexus-6#fbid=9LjL8okyF7P
I'm just tired of looking at the "Coming Soon" status, lol. It would be nice to know when it will be available. Some people are saying the 12th. Others are saying the 14th. Then who knows, it may be towards the end of the month. It's all a mystery and will probably remain one until the phone is actually available for purchase.

https://plus.google.com/107797272029781254158/posts/R97cSgo8bDH

TheGeeZus said:
I work on Customer Care (Call Center) and pretty much all customer-related info are revealed at the same time that AT&T as company acknowledged publicly, although some of us are trying our best to give actual information (and trying not to speculate like some other AT&T depts have been doing unfortunately and personally I feel ashamed about it), so bear with us that has NO control on information and why AT&T does not give details.
Keep in mind that this is the first time for AT&T for the Nexus brand and probably the prefer delay that screwing up.
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I believe that although not a complete privilege as Apple, AT&T might let the exception that Google and Motorola handles all direct updates on the OS side of the device so no worries here.
Bootloaders locked are really common, even the previous Nexus devices did came with bootloader locked and just with proper acknowledgement that you WILL LOSE your warranty, Motorola, nor Google CANNOT deny root access to the device, but might resverse the right to look into your reason on why you are requesting a unlock on the bootloader (ALL THIS assuming all follow HTC's policies on customer registering as developers to request the bootloader unlock).
The other advantages is the AT&T Next in which gives you a economic "relief" until you are ready to pay completely the device or sacrificing two years for have the device under a special price.
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This isn't the first time AT&T has had a nexus device for sale.
However I'm curious as to how it will be handled. My main concern is locking down of the phone...which shouldn't be done (it's a nexus after all). AT&T locking down the note 4 is what is keeping me from going from my note 2 directly to the note 4.
Also, they like to gouge us on price. I'm curious what they will charge for it.

maybe someone can explain why unlocked ist really unlocked......xt1096

So, BF came and I shot me a verizon unlocked xt1096 somewhat foolishly expecting that unlocked means fully unlocked.....means I can do with it what I want.
Not getting gang raped like the Apple crowd.
But it seems like I was wrong. After some days of just playing around with the new phone and still using my Note2 (rooted) I went ahead and made the full switch........
and got kicked in the balls when I realized that some of my beloved progs won't work because, the thing has a locked bootloader (wtf??) and can't be rooted (another wtf).
Now, I really wonder why this is, since I paid for the phone in full that I can not do with it what I want.
Maybe I am stupid (easily possible) but I don't get this. Can someone please explain why this is that way?
Thanks
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probably stupid.

Verizon sells SIM unlocked devices. What you want is bootloader unlocked which is only possible on the pure edition devices which only work on At&t or T-Mobile in the states.

Caveat emptor.

Unlocked sim is not the same as unlocked bootloader........ two very different things

You have a logic error there. I bought it from Motorola NOT Verizon. So why does Verzion have control over a piece of equipment I bought from somewhere else?
Just because they "allow" me to pay them for their services?

TigerDNA said:
Unlocked sim is not the same as unlocked bootloader........ two very different things
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Again, just follow my way of thought please. I buy from Motorola. Full price. And still Verizon has me by the balls? Please explain why.

hungarian said:
..... still Verizon has me by the balls.....
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That pretty much sums it up.

mbkintner said:
That pretty much sums it up.
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I am growing pretty tired about that kind of BS in this country. Maybe I was to cradled by consumer protection laws in Europe, but I seriously doubt that kind of BS would fly in Europe.
I had a oneplus one and sold it because Tmobile didnt cover me....... I was with Verizon for 4 years under contract. SO I thought this way I get a better deal......
I really don't understand why Motorola plays that kind of ****.

hungarian said:
I am growing pretty tired about that kind of BS in this country. Maybe I was to cradled by consumer protection laws in Europe, but I seriously doubt that kind of BS would fly in Europe.
I had a oneplus one and sold it because Tmobile didnt cover me....... I was with Verizon for 4 years under contract. SO I thought this way I get a better deal......
I really don't understand why Motorola plays that kind of ****.
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Yes, you were coddled by EU laws, welcome to freedom bro. The ONLY way to get a better deal with Verizon is to never have any form of contact with them, don't even make eye contact with the stores when you pass. :good:

You entered into a voluntary contract and should have read the conditions before signing.

You know, if my clients would be ok with smoke signals and emails, I would....but damn...sometimes those bad people want to talk to me.....

chrisrozon said:
You entered into a voluntary contract and should have read the conditions before signing.
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What do you mean? I should have asked Motorola if they lock the bootloader in the name of the all so mighty overlord Verizon?
Sorry, but I think if I buy a factory unlocked phone, I should receive a unlocked phone. A phine that is free of the antics and bs of Verizon.
Thats why I opted out of my contract and went with a prepaid solution. Where I bring my own phone.
What nerves me most here, is that everyone takes the dry as* screwing like it is normal that you get drilled up the backside high and dry.
Where is the outcry? Is really everyone so commercially ironed out and conformed that we can be handled like money suppliers that bring their cash anyway?
Please don't answer, I really fear to hear many "yes" or even worse, if you don't like it go back to Europe.

I don't see what the problem is. Your money speaks your opinion. Cancel your service with verizon and switch to T-Mobile or at&t where you can use a PE. Or buy a nexus 6 (which can be unlocked on Verizon). The web has a vast amount of info on any phone you ever plan on buying.

you are overseeing one crucial point. I bought the phone from Motorola. NOT from Verizon. I bought it outside of a contract. I bought it unlocked.
And still Verizon has power over a phone they shouldn't have.
The problem with other providers around here is, that they don't have coverage......

hungarian said:
you are overseeing one crucial point. I bought the phone from Motorola. NOT from Verizon. I bought it outside of a contract. I bought it unlocked.
And still Verizon has power over a phone they shouldn't have.
The problem with other providers around here is, that they don't have coverage......
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You still bought a Verizon branded phone. Verizon doesn't care about whether or not you are on contract, what they care about is that you are on their network. They want to have full control of every device that's on their network, plain and simple. I understand your frustration but it's not like a precedent is being set here- this is how it's always been. Not trying to drive salt in the wound here but had you done your due diligence and researched prior to purchase, you could have avoided this little surprise. As I said, this is nothing new, unfortunately.
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hungarian said:
you are overseeing one crucial point. I bought the phone from Motorola. NOT from Verizon. I bought it outside of a contract. I bought it unlocked.
And still Verizon has power over a phone they shouldn't have.
The problem with other providers around here is, that they don't have coverage......
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When you buy a Verizon-branded phone from Best Buy do you still wonder why Verizon's software is on it? You didn't buy it from Verizon, you bought it from Best Buy!

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hungarian said:
What do you mean? I should have asked Motorola if they lock the bootloader in the name of the all so mighty overlord Verizon?
Sorry, but I think if I buy a factory unlocked phone, I should receive a unlocked phone. A phine that is free of the antics and bs of Verizon.
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As far as I know, it is impossible to buy any variant of the Moto X 2014 that comes with an unlocked bootloader. Secondly, Motorola only marketed the Pure Edition Moto X (GSM) as being bloat-free. Motorola (or any other manufacturer for that matter) will never sell a CDMA phone that is not carrier-branded as all of the major CDMA carriers will only activate their own carrier-branded phones.

sorry but your statement is void. I bought from the maker. Not a reseller.

[Q] Differences between Non-Branded Nexus 6 and Verizon Nexus 6

I've been doing research for the past couple of days and I have seen that when the Nexus 6 came out that there were basically just 2 different models out. The International and the North American models. I'm coming from a Galaxy S4 from Verizon and I honestly can say that I just find TouchWiz ugly. I have rooted it but it was too late, the damage Verizon has done already left a huge enough impact that I am too afraid to put a rom on it in fear of the consequences. It was my first smartphone and I was happy with it when I first got it and now I am not to fond of it any longer. With the way Verizon's new plans are, I'm hoping of buying the Nexus 6 from them and slowly paying it off.
I apologize for long intro so i'll get to the point. I am curious about the differences of the Nexus 6 straight from Google and the Nexus 6 straight from the Verizon store if I buy it from them. I would prefer to buy straight from Verizon since I'm a college student and money is very tight and the slow payments seem to work out better in the long run even though I will be paying more if I buy it straight from Verizon. , but if getting the "clean" Nexus 6 is worth the better investment then i'll save up more money and pay for it all right then and there.
I've also read that there have been issues in the past where people have bought a Nexus 6 elsewhere and when they came to Verizon to activate it, that Verizon turned them away and that it wasn't possible. Is this still happening ?
Lastly, if any of you have a Nexus 6 straight from Verizon:
- How has it held up to this point ?
- What are the different things Verizon has done to the phone that weren't there in the past ?
and any other advice you can give to me to make a good purchase decision.
I just want a smartphone that I can root, put roms on, experiment with on XDA, has near-vanilla android but also works with Verizon.
I apologize for such a long post and this is my first ever thread on XDA and i'm new so I hope you may bear with me. I just want to make sure I am giving enough information to where some of you guys can help get my questions answered so I won't resent purchasing a Nexus 6 straight from Verizon if I do.
Thank you very much for reading and helping if you choose to.
P.S. I'm unsure whether to post this in the General Forum for the Nexus 6 or the Help and Troubleshooting forum of the Nexus 6 . I apologize if I posted this in the wrong forum.

Iandrew124 said:
I've been doing research for the past couple of days and I have seen that when the Nexus 6 came out that there were basically just 2 different models out. The International and the North American models. I'm coming from a Galaxy S4 from Verizon and I honestly can say that I just find TouchWiz ugly. I have rooted it but it was too late, the damage Verizon has done already left a huge enough impact that I am too afraid to put a rom on it in fear of the consequences. It was my first smartphone and I was happy with it when I first got it and now I am not to fond of it any longer. With the way Verizon's new plans are, I'm hoping of buying the Nexus 6 from them and slowly paying it off.
I apologize for long intro so i'll get to the point. I am curious about the differences of the Nexus 6 straight from Google and the Nexus 6 straight from the Verizon store if I buy it from them. I would prefer to buy straight from Verizon since I'm a college student and money is very tight and the slow payments seem to work out better in the long run even though I will be paying more if I buy it straight from Verizon. , but if getting the "clean" Nexus 6 is worth the better investment then i'll save up more money and pay for it all right then and there.
I've also read that there have been issues in the past where people have bought a Nexus 6 elsewhere and when they came to Verizon to activate it, that Verizon turned them away and that it wasn't possible. Is this still happening ?
Lastly, if any of you have a Nexus 6 straight from Verizon:
- How has it held up to this point ?
- What are the different things Verizon has done to the phone that weren't there in the past ?
and any other advice you can give to me to make a good purchase decision.
I just want a smartphone that I can root, put roms on, experiment with on XDA, has near-vanilla android but also works with Verizon.
I apologize for such a long post and this is my first ever thread on XDA and i'm new so I hope you may bear with me. I just want to make sure I am giving enough information to where some of you guys can help get my questions answered so I won't resent purchasing a Nexus 6 straight from Verizon if I do.
Thank you very much for reading and helping if you choose to.
P.S. I'm unsure whether to post this in the General Forum for the Nexus 6 or the Help and Troubleshooting forum of the Nexus 6 . I apologize if I posted this in the wrong forum.
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I have a N6 I bought in March from Verizon and I love it. Other than the small Verizon branding on the back, and two Verizon apps pre-installed (My Verizon Mobile and Verizon Visual Voicemail), I don't believe there is anything different between it and a Google bought Nexus.
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The preinstalled apps can likely be uninstalled as they were probably pulled in automatically based on your SIM card. From what I've read, the shipping firmware is the same as the Play Store/Motorola model.
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Othoric said:
I have a N6 I bought in March from Verizon and I love it. Other than the small Verizon branding on the back, and two Verizon apps pre-installed (My Verizon Mobile and Verizon Visual Voicemail), I don't believe there is anything different between it and a Google bought Nexus.
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That's great to hear honestly. If there is no difference other than two Verizon apps then this is officially my first choice for when I get a new device with Verizon. I'm hoping I am smart enough to root it, flash Pure Nexus and make it my own.
Thank you for the response.

imnuts said:
The preinstalled apps can likely be uninstalled as they were probably pulled in automatically based on your SIM card. From what I've read, the shipping firmware is the same as the Play Store/Motorola model.
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That's also great to hear. Definitely going to get the Nexus 6 soon then once I can get a new phone. Getting really tired of my Galaxy S4.

I just bought a new 32gb unlocked blue nexus 6 at best buy today for $350 + tax
It was the best deal I could find. I traded in some games and got the total down to $317. The phone is amazing, I came from a verizon S5 and it was well worth the purchase not to see that TouchWiz **** all over my phone

Thanks for starting this discussion. I have a GS5, and I'm fed up with the Verizon crap but it's the best network around where I live.
My question, can you root the N6 purchased from Verizon?

oneseeker said:
Thanks for starting this discussion. I have a GS5, and I'm fed up with the Verizon crap but it's the best network around where I live.
My question, can you root the N6 purchased from Verizon?
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Yup. One of the few on Verizon you can have your way with. Can get device from anywhere. They all the same. Get whichever the cheapest and best warranty.

oneseeker said:
Thanks for starting this discussion. I have a GS5, and I'm fed up with the Verizon crap but it's the best network around where I live.
My question, can you root the N6 purchased from Verizon?
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Yep. 100% bootloader unlockable. I use wugs toolkit to unlock and flash custom recovery. Plus it's relockable if you need service.
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ffchampmt said:
Yep. 100% bootloader unlockable. I use wugs toolkit to unlock and flash custom recovery. Plus it's relockable if you need service.
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What do you mean re-lockable if I need service?
Does anyone know if I can buy the Nexus 6 (unlocked) from Best Buy with the special they are having right now and use it on Verizon ? I was going to wait for 2 months to get an early upgrade by turning my phone in and getting the Nexus 6 but if I can buy it for 350 right now then I definitely want to jump on it. I am just curious if I can buy it from Best Buy and use it on Verizon without any issues. If I do buy it then what do I need to do in order to make it work with Verizon ?
I really want a phone I can root easily, flash roms and experiment with. The Nexus 6 seems like the perfect device and with it at $350 right now, its a steal !
Does anyone know if this is just a special and for how long ? Or is it indefinitely?

Iandrew124 said:
What do you mean re-lockable if I need service?
Does anyone know if I can buy the Nexus 6 (unlocked) from Best Buy with the special they are having right now and use it on Verizon ? I was going to wait for 2 months to get an early upgrade by turning my phone in and getting the Nexus 6 but if I can buy it for 350 right now then I definitely want to jump on it. I am just curious if I can buy it from Best Buy and use it on Verizon without any issues. If I do buy it then what do I need to do in order to make it work with Verizon ?
I really want a phone I can root easily, flash roms and experiment with. The Nexus 6 seems like the perfect device and with it at $350 right now, its a steal !
Does anyone know if this is just a special and for how long ? Or is it indefinitely?
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Service meaning repairs in case you have to send the phone in for some reason. It will work fine on Verizon. You can either activate it through Verizon and get a new SIM card or just switch an existing (already activated) nano SIM from an existing Verizon device into your new Nexus 6. Either method works fine.

patmw123 said:
Service meaning repairs in case you have to send the phone in for some reason. It will work fine on Verizon. You can either activate it through Verizon and get a new SIM card or just switch an existing (already activated) nano SIM from an existing Verizon device into your new Nexus 6. Either method works fine.
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Oh ! Okay, I see. Thank you.
On the best buy website it says its doesnt support CDMA but thanks for telling me otherwise. It gives me hope that I can get a decent phone for cheap and love it.

Iandrew124 said:
What do you mean re-lockable if I need service?
Does anyone know if I can buy the Nexus 6 (unlocked) from Best Buy with the special they are having right now and use it on Verizon ? I was going to wait for 2 months to get an early upgrade by turning my phone in and getting the Nexus 6 but if I can buy it for 350 right now then I definitely want to jump on it. I am just curious if I can buy it from Best Buy and use it on Verizon without any issues. If I do buy it then what do I need to do in order to make it work with Verizon ?
I really want a phone I can root easily, flash roms and experiment with. The Nexus 6 seems like the perfect device and with it at $350 right now, its a steal !
Does anyone know if this is just a special and for how long ? Or is it indefinitely?
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$350-399 the going rate now. They on clearance for the new ones probably in November. Best Buy will match Internet price. So as long as Amazon and others have that price can just tell them and they will look it up on their PC. If you have a Verizon nano sim can just pop it in. They have the IEMIs now so they can activate for you. Shouldn't have a problem. I cut down my micro sim to fit before they would activate them.
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Forgot to address your first question. There are 2 unlocks. Carrier and bootloader. Previous poster was referring to bootloader unlock. They are all carrier unlocked except for ATT. ATT requires to pay for the device in full and be active on their service for 30 days before can use another sim. Bootloader unlock is for modding. We unlock the bootloader and if need to send for warranty we put back to stock and locked.

prdog1 said:
Best Buy will match Internet price. So as long as Amazon and others have that price can just tell them and they will look it up on their PC. If you have a Verizon nano sim can just pop it in. They have the IEMIs now so they can activate for you. Shouldn't have a problem. I cut down my micro sim to fit before they would activate them.
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Forgot to address your first question. There are 2 unlocks. Carrier and bootloader. Previous poster was referring to bootloader unlock. They are all carrier unlocked except for ATT. ATT requires to pay for the device in full and be active on their service for 30 days before can use another sim. Bootloader unlock is for modding. We unlock the bootloader and if need to send for warranty we put back to stock and locked.
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This answers similar question I've had since I have Verizon as my carrier. I found some good deals on swappa, and wondered if I got one from there, if I'd be able use it on Verizon.
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This answers similar question I've had since I have Verizon as my carrier. I found some good deals on swappa, and wondered if I got one from there, if I'd be able use it on Verizon.
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You can use any on any carrier unless it is the ATT carrier locked. Also has to be NA version. Not International. I got Google version on Verizon. Everything works including tether on my Unlimited Data Plan.

prdog1 said:
You can use any on any carrier unless it is the ATT carrier locked. Also has to be NA version. Not International. I got Google version on Verizon. Everything works including tether on my Unlimited Data Plan.
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I'm sorry but what is "NA version"?
Sent from my SCH-I545 with stang5litre Edition 5.0 on stock OC1

Beej1970 said:
I'm sorry but what is "NA version"?
Sent from my SCH-I545 with stang5litre Edition 5.0 on stock OC1
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North American. US and Canada. I looked on Swappa. They need to adjust their prices as the Market price decreases. They too high if can get new in box with full warranty for $350.

prdog1 said:
You can use any on any carrier unless it is the ATT carrier locked. Also has to be NA version. Not International. I got Google version on Verizon. Everything works including tether on my Unlimited Data Plan.
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Wait, so the International one's won't work with Verizon? The one Best Buy is selling on clearance is the GSM International model. So even though its an amazing deal, It won't work with Verizon because its the International model ?

Iandrew124 said:
Wait, so the International one's won't work with Verizon? The one Best Buy is selling on clearance is the GSM International model. So even though its an amazing deal, It won't work with Verizon because its the International model ?
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The US model is XT1103, which is what Best Buy should stock, and it will work on any US carrier. The XT1100 is the International model and would only work on AT&T/T-Mobile in the US (or any carrier that uses their network) as it doesn't have all the necessary bands for other carriers. Most places don't even carry the International model for sale in the US.

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The US model is XT1103, which is what Best Buy should stock, and it will work on any US carrier. The XT1100 is the International model and would only work on AT&T/T-Mobile in the US (or any carrier that uses their network) as it doesn't have all the necessary bands for other carriers. Most places don't even carry the International model for sale in the US.
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Okay, that helped clear up some questions I was having. Thank you. I guess its time to go buy that sweet Nexus 6 once I get my check. Ugh, i can't wait.
If you had to recommend a phone for a beginner who wants to root, put roms on his device and experiment with it, what would you recommend to them ?

Worth Upgrading to Pixel XL $240?

So I was just wondering if any of you think it's worth upgrading to the Pixel XL for only $240 as Verizon is giving a deal this Black Friday. Should I stick with my N6 until next year or take the offer?
Or if anyone has a better upgradeable phone which supports CDMA

aroy97 said:
So I was just wondering if any of you think it's worth upgrading to the Pixel XL for only $240 as Verizon is giving a deal this Black Friday. Should I stick with my N6 until next year or take the offer?
Or if anyone has a better upgradeable phone which supports CDMA
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It will cost $240 ? If so you could buy it and flip it for at least $600+

mikeprius said:
It will cost $240 ? If so you could buy it and flip it for at least $600+
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The catch is I have to sign a 2 year contract which I actually have no problem with, but I'm sure they're going to notice that the device isn't active on my account since I sold it.

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The catch is I have to sign a 2 year contract which I actually have no problem with, but I'm sure they're going to notice that the device isn't active on my account since I sold it.
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You need to add the total price of the 2 year contract to the price of the new device.
Than estimate the costs using your N6 for 2 years without that contract.
Can be helpful to make a decision.

NLBeev said:
You need to add the total price of the 2 year contract to the price of the new device.
Than estimate the costs using your N6 for 2 years without that contract.
Can be helpful to make a decision.
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well my N6 is already paid off, so it would just be the extra $10/month added to my bill for the next 2 years.

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The catch is I have to sign a 2 year contract which I actually have no problem with, but I'm sure they're going to notice that the device isn't active on my account since I sold it.
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I have Sprint so I also have CDMA as well so it is an issue finding good phones. The 2 year contact you sign with Verizon is basically a service agreement, meaning you are going to use their service for another 2 years before you have the ability to just bail. Afterwards it goes month to month, at least with Sprint. With Sprint anyways, the phone isn't an issue, assuming the 2 year contract is a purchase not a lease which I suspect it is. For example, my brother signed a 2 yr contract with Sprint, got a Galaxy, then broke it after a year from dropping it too much. He is using some old phone he bought used. No problem. I just got a Nexus 5X after having my Nexus 6 for just one year. Sprint hasn't called either of us demanding why our phones are not being used. We just agreed legally to use their service for another 2 years. If you don't plan on leaving Verizon anyways the contract is negligible. It's just that if you get rid of the pixel and something happens to your Nexus 6, you will be on your own until the 2 yr contract is up.
I've been looking at the Pixel XL new in box like yours would be and they are going for a lot right now given that they are sold out. I highly suggest you look at eBay. New Pixel XL in a box are being priced at $900+
You could buy it at $240 , sell it even at a slightly mark up at $825, then keep the $585. That's very cheap esp for the XL.....
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You need to add the total price of the 2 year contract to the price of the new device.
Than estimate the costs using your N6 for 2 years without that contract.
Can be helpful to make a decision.
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The OP likely is going to keep using Verizon's service anyways whether he buys the Pixel or not. The only difference is if he wanted to leave Verizon or plans to then the contract would lock him in until its over. In the US, most people who are on the major networks (AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, T-Mobile) generally stay with their carrier, there isn't a lot of movement.......the cheap pre-paid, lower tier networks is a different story................

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............ the 2 yr contract is up.
.......the cheap pre-paid, lower tier..
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Thx for the info. In the Netherlands and probably in more EU-countries we have 'sim only contracts'.
Buying a device yourself and a sim only contract is mostly cheaper.
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well my N6 is already paid off, so it would just be the extra $10/month added to my bill for the next 2 years.
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240 + (24 * 10) is the real price you have to pay for the Pixel.
That's cheap compared with prices here in the Netherlands. (Still > $1000,- for a Pixel XL).

aroy97 said:
So I was just wondering if any of you think it's worth upgrading to the Pixel XL for only $240 as Verizon is giving a deal this Black Friday. Should I stick with my N6 until next year or take the offer?
Or if anyone has a better upgradeable phone which supports CDMA
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Keep in mind the Verizon Pixel XL has a locked bootloader. I believe it's a terrible deal because of that, and you could do just as well simply by buying a 6P from Amazon between Black Friday and the end of the year.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Keep in mind the Verizon Pixel XL has a locked bootloader. I believe it's a terrible deal because of that, and you could do just as well simply by buying a 6P from Amazon between Black Friday and the end of the year.
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well there is a tool released to unlock the bootloader of a Verizon Pixel device (dePixel8). But it could be possible that a future update may force-lock the bootloader again, which is something to think about I guess.

The last time the bootloader on a Verizon device was bypassed, it was the Galaxy S4. Verizon's next update patched the hole that allowed people to do that. While I admit forgetting about dePixel8, it's a virtual lock that Verizon will patch the flaw that allows the bootloader to be unlocked on their next update, when they decide to release it.
That's the other bad thing about getting a Verizon Pixel/Pixel XL. You're at the mercy of Verizon for updates, not Google.

Unlock it, flash the google factory image and disable ota updates to be sure. Assuming you can get it before Google patches the bypass.

Assuming it can be unlocked.
It's up to the OP what he wants to do. However, he needs to be aware of the potential pitfalls of purchasing a device from a carrier on contract. The locked bootloader with the potential of not being able to unlock it and carrier interference with the updates are but two of them. Getting a phone from a carrier for a reduced price is never a good deal. Buying direct is better.

Verizon. Bootloader policy. Possible bloatware (its Verizon do it's impossible to believe something shady won't be in there). Pricing. Nuff said...

I saw this promo. I'd pass. Usually the benefit of a contract is to get the immediate savings right away while forfeiting the ability to move carriers. Here you sign a contract, pay out the a$$ upfront, then get a trickle benefit over 2 yrs. I'd just get a 6p over black friday if you'd like to switch.

It's a good price. But I opted to finance through project Fi instead. I'm not a heavy data user so my monthly is about the same as a contract would be with Verizon. Verizon's service is arguably better but I'm satisfied with Fi, and I really like how well it works internationally, making it a better value to me. Plus I'm not confident that Verizon will release timely updates.

Once you unlock it using DePixel8, you flash google factory images and there's no way Verizon can relock it with future updates.

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Once you unlock it using DePixel8, you flash google factory images and there's no way Verizon can relock it with future updates.
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maybe, but back when I had a S5 and needed tech support for it to get it replaced, Verizon representative notified me over the phone that they wont do anything as they were able to see that I wasn't on a stock ROM and that I was rooted. Although the representative just told me to reflash the stock ROM and keep it unrooted and to call back the next day.
Nonetheless I'm sure they will be able to do the same with my Pixel and void my warranty, best to just buy it from Google directly and avoid all of that crap.
Thanks everyone for your input and advice

The 10$ price is for the 32gb Pixel only, which is a good price. The 128gb Pixel is 15$ * 24mo, the 32gb XL is 20$ * 24mo and the 128gb XL is 25$ * 24mo.
There's still a savings to be had on all variants however not enough of a savings on the 128gb XL version for me, I was actually hesitating giving to my unlimited to get two 128gb XL version if it was 240$ a phone, not the case.

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Nonetheless I'm sure they will be able to do the same with my Pixel and void my warranty, best to just buy it from Google directly and avoid all of that crap.
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It's indeed 'better' to buy a phone separately from the provider. Here (Netherlands) we have many people paying too much, because the 2-year contact automatically continues. Many forget to change the contract after 2 years.

Only real question I have: Will T-Mobile sell it?

With the 3's and 3a's on T-Mobile, I am almost certain they will; but I have not heard/seen anything official. Hoping someone with some inside knowledge can confirm or deny.
Really hoping they don't go back to "exclusive", or wait until the 4a comes out to sell it on other carriers.

Their contract ended with Verizon so it would be very unwise of Google to limit the carriers it sells its devices on.
I highly doubt they'd renew a partnership given how successful the Pixel has been lately, and their move to sell the Pixel 3a at other carriers highly suggests that their premium devices will follow the same trend
If that isn't enough confirmation then I don't know what is. Their exclusivity with Verizon was initially a great thing to get things rolling, but with each iteration of the Pixel following that, it's really done more harm than good.
And with them supposedly talking to D ish about establishing their own full fledged carrier it seems even less likely that they wouldn't embrace other carriers too given that their new carrier would literally use TMobile and Sprint towers to comply with the 4 carrier requirement needed for a Sprint and TMobile merger.
So no, I don't have any direct information to state otherwise, but on a financial level it would be awful of Google to not endorse other carriers.
Honestly, what I'm more interested in is knowing how they plan to support Verizon's standard for 5g while complying with the others as it vastly differs... Or better yet, if it will support 5g at all

Doubts and hopes are what I started with, mate. I am well aware of the history behind the deals and partnerships.
Looking for confirmation from an inside source.

PhoenixPath said:
Doubts and hopes are what I started with, mate. I am well aware of the history behind the deals and partnerships.
Looking for confirmation from an inside source.
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I spoke to my friend at T-MOBILE and she confirmed that they will in fact be selling the 4.

It's not like it really matters since Google sells it direct anyways. Even if it was available from my carrier (AT&T in my case) I'd still buy it from Google so the carrier can't get its hands on it.

I would never buy it from a carrier. They will lock the bootloader and no root for you! Just look at the forums for the recent pixel 3a/3axl. Even if you don't plan on rooting now, it's nice to know you at least have the option should you choose to. You can also finance through Google.

The OnePlus devices may be instructive: These had bootloaders which could be unlocked after they were sim unlocked. The timing for sim unlock depended on how good a customer you were in some cases but primarily was based on having the device paid off. The smarter money if no deals were involved was simply buying from OnePlus direct because the updates are significantly faster. I would expect something similar here if it is indeed sold by Tmo.

jimv1983 said:
It's not like it really matters since Google sells it direct anyways. Even if it was available from my carrier (AT&T in my case) I'd still buy it from Google so the carrier can't get its hands on it.
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I would never buy it from a carrier. They will lock the bootloader and no root for you! Just look at the forums for the recent pixel 3a/3axl. Even if you don't plan on rooting now, it's nice to know you at least have the option should you choose to. You can also finance through Google.
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Amen!! Haven't used a carrier phone since the Nexus 6P was released!

tj_f said:
Amen!! Haven't used a carrier phone since the Nexus 6P was released!
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It is true !

The page is live, but if they really lock the bootloader, you can count me out! I'm still pissed about the fingerprint reader anyway!
https://www.t-mobile.com/offers/google-phone-deals

JeepFreak said:
The page is live, but if they really lock the bootloader, you can count me out! I'm still pissed about the fingerprint reader anyway!
https://www.t-mobile.com/offers/google-phone-deals
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Well, if it's fully paid for, I don't see why they won't let you unlock it. Unless you're going for a plan, which is completely understandable. Not everyone has a grand to drop at one time. But at the same time, you can't really gripe if they don't let you unlock a device you haven't fully paid for.