My Lollipop battery fix. Went from 40% overnight drain to 5%! - Nexus 5 General

My battery life was fcuked: losing 40%-%50 overnight while it was inactive sitting on the nightstand.
(Factory reset did not help at all!)
Now after futzing with the WIFI setting, last night I lost only 5% total in 8 hours sleep time.
Furthermore battery read 18% remaining at 10:30 PM and still read 18% at 4:17 AM.
Now this is more like what my iPhone 6 gets while sleeping.
What seems to have fixed by battery woes.
I changed the (Advanced) WIFI frequency setting from Automatic to 5Ghz (which would not work at all) and then to 2.4 Ghz only.
As of today I have 87% remaining after 3 hours of casual use (after charging to 100%.) Previously (for the past week since installing Lollipop) I was losing about 25% per hour during casual usage - ridiculously bad battery life.
Hopefully this will work for someone other than myself. I had just listed this thing on Craigslist because I cannot use a phone with 4 hour battery life.
Good luck.

Just set it to the same WiFi setting, will get back with screens.
Thanks though, I have brought this phone recently and thought it was only me getting bad battery life :\ I've had to charge this phone more than I did my nexus 4. I brought it off someone after they had used it for 9 months.

mine
Mine loses 1 or 2% overnight with wifi left on. Luck of the draw i guess.

trsix said:
Mine loses 1 or 2% overnight with wifi left on. Luck of the draw i guess.
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trsix, what wifi frequency is yours set to? And did you ever alter the freq. setting?
Thanks.

ronnienyc said:
My battery life was fcuked: losing 40%-%50 overnight while it was inactive sitting on the nightstand.
(Factory reset did not help at all!)
Now after futzing with the WIFI setting, last night I lost only 5% total in 8 hours sleep time.
Furthermore battery read 18% remaining at 10:30 PM and still read 18% at 4:17 AM.
Now this is more like what my iPhone 6 gets while sleeping.
What seems to have fixed by battery woes.
I changed the (Advanced) WIFI frequency setting from Automatic to 5Ghz (which would not work at all) and then to 2.4 Ghz only.
As of today I have 87% remaining after 3 hours of casual use (after charging to 100%.) Previously (for the past week since installing Lollipop) I was losing about 25% per hour during casual usage - ridiculously bad battery life.
Hopefully this will work for someone other than myself. I had just listed this thing on Craigslist because I cannot use a phone with 4 hour battery life.
Good luck.
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try setting it back to auto and see what happens. IE, try to replicate the issue and the fix.

For me, I went back to KK 4.4.4 factory image and took OTA seems to fix the wifi idle to just same as OP overnight (~5%). But after some use, it can drain quick but not as quick as I was on custom ROM (all kinds I tried).

ronnienyc said:
Furthermore battery read 18% remaining at 10:30 PM and still read 18% at 4:17 AM.
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This can happen when the phone is being moderately used before a longer idle period. The battery percentage will actually go up to compensate for the earlier usage estimation, giving the illusion of zero drop over night. It becomes clear after seeing the graph and the line going up only to drop down to the pre-idle level.
Kind of annoying since I'd like to see how much was actually lost over night. Just something that happens with the estimation process that is our battery level.
I recently switched from 2.4Ghz only back to Auto mode as it seems the WiFi speed drop issues are no longer present on my particular home network. No battery drain or issues yet but I will keep a close eye on it. Thanks for sharing.

bblzd said:
This can happen when the phone is being moderately used before a longer idle period. The battery percentage will actually go up to compensate for the earlier usage estimation, giving the illusion of zero drop over night. It becomes clear after seeing the graph and the line going up only to drop down to the pre-idle level.
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I think your statement is true, as I noticed that with OTA updates, my idle over night is very low. However, upon using the phone the battery immediately starting to report drastic drop in percentage number. I mean this is cruel as in it gives us a false sense of battery consumption over all lol.

I will try it thanks

I'm going to give this a try. I've been using an app to turn wifi off when asleep but am still getting higher drain on wifi with the screen on than should be. Will report back after a day or two.
Personally I don't think they fixed the wifi miscellaneous drain and just hid it in the usage stats. My battery life has never been the same since the final dev preview. Luckily I'm always near a charger.

vboyz103 said:
I think your statement is true, as I noticed that with OTA updates, my idle over night is very low. However, upon using the phone the battery immediately starting to report drastic drop in percentage number. I mean this is cruel as in it gives us a false sense of battery consumption over all lol.
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Did you guys read the entire OP?
I have had an overall drastic improvement in battery life - not merely during idle time

ronnienyc said:
Did you guys read the entire OP?
I have had an overall drastic improvement in battery life - not merely during idle time
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Right, I did read the OP and actually did make the same adjustments. However, I didn't see any improvements on my KK 4.4.4 upgraded to L via OTA in terms of idling overnight. My idle stats are very good even prior to the adjustment mentioned and same post adjustments. However, the freaking issue is when I started using the phone.
I think it is varies wildly for each user and their phone.

" the freaking issue is when I started using the phone.”
Indeed, this is another issue with this phone. Battery is too freaking small.
At this point i am back on my iPhone 6. iOS is a bit rigid for my taste, but the thing is fast, great screen, and runs two days on a charge, call quality is superior, louder speaker, etc!
Battery life is critical, yo.

ronnienyc said:
" the freaking issue is when I started using the phone.”
Indeed, this is another issue with this phone. Battery is too freaking small.
At this point i am back on my iPhone 6. iOS is a bit rigid for my taste, but the thing is fast, great screen, and runs two days on a charge, call quality is superior, louder speaker, etc!
Battery life is critical, yo.
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I feel ya, I tried a 5s and iOS 7 out for about 6 months because it looked nice. Had great battery life until I had to jailbreak it to get it to do what I wanted (which is stock/non root stuff on android) and apps from cydia rocked my battery ;-( then it was like why am I having to tweak the crap out of this phone to do simple things I want that shouldn't be a big deal in the first place? Finally just decided to come back to my N5 in the end.

vboyz103 said:
Right, I did read the OP and actually did make the same adjustments. However, I didn't see any improvements on my KK 4.4.4 upgraded to L via OTA in terms of idling overnight. My idle stats are very good even prior to the adjustment mentioned and same post adjustments. However, the freaking issue is when I started using the phone.
I think it is varies wildly for each user and their phone.
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This. I hate how much my battery drains when my screen is on. I'm convinced some of it is Lollipop though. I got a feeling it is also related to the memory leaks.
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@Clienterror
Agreed about ios, but it is getting better. The notificatiins just got a lit better....little things are slowly improving.
Something that is GREAT on iOS now: voice to text is screaming fast now, and extremely accurate. I rarely type emails and texts now. No kidding!

I went back to 4.4.4 last night - as while the idle drain was fixed with these settings, the overall battery life while using the phone under LL is still relatively miserable.
4.4.4 seems a bit better...
Now I see that 5.0.1 is apparently being released in the next day or two...we shall see. So far the release notes say nothing about a battery fix.

On 4.4, I observed a massive reduction of WiFi wakelocks by setting static IPs in my home network. So if you have problems, give it a try.

is it possaible some app drain it in overnight?

Does no one else realise that a major OS update needs to "bed in" for a good few days? The battery life performance is a lot better on LP. I've an HTC desire 610 though and it goes days between charges. It's a 420 battery but 1/4 hd screen. You take your choice of features and find your phone/s

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[Q] Am I the only one getting good battery life on this phone?

Before I bought the Vivid, I read every review that was out, even the customer reviews on AT&T's site. There was a common theme in all of them: Battery life is bad. Even the glowing reviews had "battery life" as a con or said they wished it was better.
Needless to say, my expectations weren't high. I have had HTC phones in the past and battery has never been their strong suit.
Imaging my surprise when I tell you that after a 10 hour work day, I go home with an average of 60% battery. I text throughout the day, have seven e-mail accounts syncing, widgets that pull data on my home screen, etc. I am definitely using the phone. I leave Wifi on all the time and I have LTE access wherever I go, so the LTE radio is always on.
Am I really that unique? Is anyone else getting good battery life with the Vivid? If the Skyrocket is supposed to have way better battery life, I can't imagine how long it would last compared to my Vivid, at least with my use.
Overall, very happy with this phone. Battery life is what always drove me away from Android and that is not an issue here.
I would say I unplug my phone around 7 and it gets to 10% around 7 so 12 hours ? I would say thats pretty good battery life I came from the inspire and it would die after 7-10 hours so I would say its a lot better! Though I cant wait for a cm9 or 7 rom since i was getting a full 24 hours + With that.... So im very excited to see!
I am also getting about 10 hours with heavy texting use throughout the day. I have friends overseas and we text via Whatsapp and sometimes Skype. Otherwise it would last even longer since I the screen display wouldn't always be on. I am not complaining getting 10 hours of use though since I'm coming from an HTC Aria which was about half that.
Almost as good
With the standard battery that came with the Vivid, I am getting 24-48 hours on a charge, but I don't use it as much as described above. I have WiFi on at work, but I don't do a lot of e-mailing from the phone. (I work at a desk all day, so I have e-mail on my PC.) But I do look up a lot of things. I suspect I use the phone for at least a few minutes 6-8 times during the work day and 2-3 times in the evening (with WiFi at home). I am not a heavy data plan user, partly because of WiFi access. I use Bluetooth to connect to my car's sound system during my 30-minute commutes. I usually put it into Airplane mode at night, cutting down on the battery consumption. So, I would expect to get somewhat better battery usage than someone who is on their phone much of the time.
brucegil said:
With the standard battery that came with the Vivid, I am getting 24-48 hours on a charge, but I don't use it as much as described above. I have WiFi on at work, but I don't do a lot of e-mailing from the phone. (I work at a desk all day, so I have e-mail on my PC.) But I do look up a lot of things. I suspect I use the phone for at least a few minutes 6-8 times during the work day and 2-3 times in the evening (with WiFi at home). I am not a heavy data plan user, partly because of WiFi access. I use Bluetooth to connect to my car's sound system during my 30-minute commutes. I usually put it into Airplane mode at night, cutting down on the battery consumption. So, I would expect to get somewhat better battery usage than someone who is on their phone much of the time.
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Just out of curiosity: Why put it in airplane mode at night? Why not just plug it in to recharge?
I have a lot of days like you where I use it lightly. I have noticed that the idle drain on this phone isn't nearly as bad as past Android phones I have owned.
Yesterday I got 16 hours out of my phone. That is with me syncing three email accounts, running a live background, using data to read news articles, downloads from the android store, browsing the web, and making around 30 minutes of calls. It is much better than my cappy was. I made sure to charge the battery when I first got it all of the way before powering it on. I also have let it run down completely to cycle the battery.
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When my phone was stock the battery life was OK, not terrible, but not great either. With a custom ROM the battery life has increased greatly. I unplug it around 8am and when I go to charge it at night I usually have around 40% left. That is with moderate to heavy use, at least that's what I consider my use.
Failed to mention I am on the stock Rom.
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I got around 17 hours last night and was only down to 70% left. Quite a bit of use too. It's actually better for me than my GS2 was.
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I'm always getting 20+ hrs on my vivid with med. Use with the stock Rom my battery was pretty good but with rumraider its going on about 30 hrs with 40% left ....wow and I haven't even charged it since I flashed
I think alot of the differences in battery life have to do with how strong of a cell signal you have. The weaker the signal, the quicker the battery dies since your phone is constantly trying to stay connected. Also, if your signal is bad, than that usually means your internet data is slower too and thus it takes longer to download news, email, and web pages, thus killing your battery even further.
Although, my signal is usually at 2-3 bars, the battery seems to last much longer than I was led to believe from reading reviews. Overall, I am pretty happy with this phone.
Just a suggestion, I am getting fairly good battery left, I am on a rooted stock rom with most of the bloat ware & processes frozen thru Ti Backup, I have wifi on all day but limit sync schedule (with refresh on use enabled) I have noticed that the battery stays at 100% for a while then starts to drop off. Today running about 7.5 hours and currently have 95% charge available. I also have Juice Defender free helping out with ballanced profile enabled.
Cheers
BR
Simple rundown:
I text fairly frequently, do a reasonable amount of web browsing (read: where I don't have access to a computer), sync 3 email accounts, check XDA and play GameBoy on the thing. Weather is on hourly autoupdate with location; news is on demand when the widget is viewed.
The only daytime charging I do is when I'm using my phone as my car's AUX input, where it is plugged on the charger (although still draining according to the battery graph).
I end the day with 52% battery life, off the charger at 7:45 AM, back on at 12:00 AM. Much better than my Captivate. Prior to root, custom ROMs and SetCPU, it would clock in at around 38%.
Aus_Azn said:
Simple rundown:
I text fairly frequently, do a reasonable amount of web browsing (read: where I don't have access to a computer), sync 3 email accounts, check XDA and play GameBoy on the thing. Weather is on hourly autoupdate with location; news is on demand when the widget is viewed.
The only daytime charging I do is when I'm using my phone as my car's AUX input, where it is plugged on the charger (although still draining according to the battery graph).
I end the day with 52% battery life, off the charger at 7:45 AM, back on at 12:00 AM. Much better than my Captivate. Prior to root, custom ROMs and SetCPU, it would clock in at around 38%.
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What are your settings for setcpu? This is my first root and I have yet to test the app. And it is useable after root, correct? Just need to purchase from the market? Thanks!
penguinfishies said:
What are your settings for setcpu? This is my first root and I have yet to test the app. And it is useable after root, correct? Just need to purchase from the market? Thanks!
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I also would like to know the setcpu settings which are working for you. How much overclocking we can do on Vivid ?
Thanks
-Dash
NIKKG said:
I think alot of the differences in battery life have to do with how strong of a cell signal you have. The weaker the signal, the quicker the battery dies since your phone is constantly trying to stay connected. Also, if your signal is bad, than that usually means your internet data is slower too and thus it takes longer to download news, email, and web pages, thus killing your battery even further.
Although, my signal is usually at 2-3 bars, the battery seems to last much longer than I was led to believe from reading reviews. Overall, I am pretty happy with this phone.
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I totally agree with this. My office is in the basement of our building and I get fairly poor signal - maybe 1 bar but I still can access the LTE network. When I turn my wifi on, by the end of the work day, my battery is much less drained vs not having it on and my phone searching for signal from the mobile data network.
At home, I have a pretty good signal, but there's not LTE coverage yet, so the battery does last longer throughout the day.
Even on the bad days I would get home and keep it running until I plug it in before I go to bed, so that's an average of about 17 hours in total per day that it's running on battery and on average I'd have like 30-40% battery left.
I was using an iPhone 4s before I bought the Vivid and I used to go home with about the same amount of battery after a full work day. Granted, the 4s gets worse battery life than the 4 by far, but I still think it's impressive that an Android phone, especially an HTC does this well and it makes me wonder why all of these people in the reviews have been getting such bad battery life.
It all depends on what it's relative to. When I had a BB, I'd go almost 5 days between charges, but there's no comparison between a BB and a 4.5" LCD screen.
mohcho said:
It all depends on what it's relative to. When I had a BB, I'd go almost 5 days between charges, but there's no comparison between a BB and a 4.5" LCD screen.
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This is a key point. The big screen is a huge battery sink. The battery widget in Beautiful Widgets gives a percentage battery use for components. With mine, the display's battery usage is always at least twice as big the next nearest battery sink. It is not uncommon to see that it is using 90% of the juice. I think this explains a lot of the early complaints about battery life. We all spend hours playing with a new phone and getting it set up to our liking. That means the display is lit up for hours. That means people get lousy battery life when they first get their phone.
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Just out of curiosity: Why put it in airplane mode at night? Why not just plug it in to recharge?
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I was trying to see how long I could go on a single charge. Airplane mode shut down radios that might otherwise continue to run, trying to pull data I would not see while asleep. Also, I would occasionally run the battery all the way down before recharging. I generally plug it in at work, in my car or at home when it gets down around 10% remaining.

New Z3C - Battery dissapointing

I just bought my Z3C a couple of days ago. First thing I did was charge it fully and then I started using it. It went from 100 to 0% in about 21 hours. During that time a SIM card was inserted only during the last couple of hours, but I did use the phone fairly often. The attached thumbnails show the details.
I did notice that it almost loses no charge in standby. But today I noticed an increased decline during screen on time after standby time. See last screenshot attached.
I expected more from this battery based on reviews and Sony's claims. Is this normal or is my battery faulty? While some here report similar numbers, others seems to get a lot more out of their batteries.
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I just bought my Z3C a couple of days ago. First thing I did was charge it fully and then I started using it. It went from 100 to 0% in about 21 hours. During that time a SIM card was inserted only during the last couple of hours, but I did use the phone fairly often. The attached thumbnails show the details.
I did notice that it almost loses no charge in standby. But today I noticed an increased decline during screen on time after standby time. See last screenshot attached.
I expected more from this battery based on reviews and Sony's claims. Is this normal or is my battery faulty? While some here report similar numbers, others seems to get a lot more out of their batteries.
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You shouldn't expect more from this battery based on reviews, you should just look at what some people got out of their phones.
Give the phone some time to settle in. And don't forget that it's almost summer for us now, more sun means using the screen at a higher brightness so that will also have some impact on your battery life.
Look what kind of useless apps are running in the background and stop them and don't worry about the estimate, it really doesn't mean much. Right now my estimate is 9 days, because I barely touched my phone.
I really don't believe in such a thing as faulty battery. Charge your phone, restart it and see how it reacts then.
Is Stamina mode enabled? If not, then what you have is typical. Getting a full day out of one charge is about all you can expect from a smartphone without some form of battery saving measures enabled.
Dsteppa said:
You shouldn't expect more from this battery based on reviews, you should just look at what some people got out of their phones.
Give the phone some time to settle in. And don't forget that it's almost summer for us now, more sun means using the screen at a higher brightness so that will also have some impact on your battery life.
Look what kind of useless apps are running in the background and stop them and don't worry about the estimate, it really doesn't mean much. Right now my estimate is 9 days, because I barely touched my phone.
I really don't believe in such a thing as faulty battery. Charge your phone, restart it and see how it reacts then.
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I'd indeed like to hear from people whether or not they get comparable performance. Do you? I'll keep an eye on my battery during the next few days. So you think this is not abnormal?
PuffDaddy_d said:
Is Stamina mode enabled? If not, then what you have is typical. Getting a full day out of one charge is about all you can expect from a smartphone without some form of battery saving measures enabled.
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I'm not sure at what point I turned on Stamina in the battery cycle I posted. It is turned now, however, and I hope it will make a difference. What do you get out of your Z3C?
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I'd indeed like to hear from people whether or not they get comparable performance. Do you? I'll keep an eye on my battery during the next few days. So you think this is not abnormal?
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Here are my results:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=59933232&postcount=48
At the moment I have 3d 10h battery life and still 40% left. Tomorrow after work @ 12 our time I'll charge my phone again, so that's almost 5 days.
(But that's with a lot of idle time)
(Vergeet geen apps te freezen en je telefoon te restarten)
With moderate usage, you should generally expect just about 2 full days of battery life from this phone. And that is with Stamina mode enabled to help the phone sleep when the screen is off. However, this is not accounting for any extreme measures some people take to extend their battery life (e.g. disabling background data/sync). Once you remove these features, you're no longer using the smartphone as it was intended, so it's not a fair comparison.
I can easily get 2 days out of my Z3C before I think about charging it. And I've never used Stamina Mode.
I guess I could install some app to monitor battery usage and stats but I'm not that bothered tbh.
We all manage a variation on the smartphone thing, in terms of data, wifi, gaming, emails, browsing, texts, calls, etc, and its slightly different, in terms of use, from one user to another.
I'd echo the sentiments of another user who said give your battery time to settle in. Give it a full charge, discharge cycle a couple of times, and don't worry too much about it!
Peace.
Thanks for your feedback, guys. I'm currently fully charging and discharging my battery. Several cycles complete.
The best result I've gotten so far is a little under two days with moderate usage and thorough measures to increase battery life. I turn on airplane mode when I go to sleep. Stamina mode is also enabled, but only the reduced performance part. I'm also using 2battery, which turns off WiFi and data when phone is in standby, and turns them back on briefly every 15 minutes. (While I agree that turning off data connections defeats the purpose of a smartphone, I also believe that there is no need for a constant connection when I'm not using my phone. 2battery achieves that. Although I must say it doesn't seem to kick in a lot on lollipop.)
So despite these measures my battery seems weak compared to yours. Anyway, I'll be taking your advice and I'll give it some more time.
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Thanks for your feedback, guys. I'm currently fully charging and discharging my battery. Several cycles complete.
The best result I've gotten so far is a little under two days with moderate usage and thorough measures to increase battery life. I turn on airplane mode when I go to sleep. Stamina mode is also enabled, but only the reduced performance part. I'm also using 2battery, which turns off WiFi and data when phone is in standby, and turns them back on briefly every 15 minutes. (While I agree that turning off data connections defeats the purpose of a smartphone, I also believe that there is no need for a constant connection when I'm not using my phone. 2battery achieves that. Although I must say it doesn't seem to kick in a lot on lollipop.)
So despite these measures my battery seems weak compared to yours. Anyway, I'll be taking your advice and I'll give it some more time.
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I have like never used Stamina mode, try out these apps:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rootuninstaller.batrsaver
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.oasisfeng.greenify
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.asksven.betterbatterystats
You need to be rooted tho (Which shouldn't be a problem)
Are you using GPS or is it always on?
Your battery is fine. You probably lost some standby life when you put a SIM in it, as that would cause your cell radios to begin seeking your carrier's towers.
Do activate Stamina mode if you haven't already done so.
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I have like never used Stamina mode, try out these apps:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rootuninstaller.batrsaver
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.oasisfeng.greenify
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.asksven.betterbatterystats
You need to be rooted tho (Which shouldn't be a problem)
Are you using GPS or is it always on?
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Thanks for the pointers! I have Better Battery Stats, and will give the other two a go. Sounds like DS Battery Saver goes beyond 2Battery, which just manages data and wifi. It can also kill apps, but I suppose you use Greenify for that?
I am indeed rooted. GPS is always on as far as I know. Haven't really paid attention to it. Why do you ask? Does that consume a lot of power?
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Thanks for the pointers! I have Better Battery Stats, and will give the other two a go. Sounds like DS Battery Saver goes beyond 2Battery, which just manages data and wifi. It can also kill apps, but I suppose you use Greenify for that?
I am indeed rooted. GPS is always on as far as I know. Haven't really paid attention to it. Why do you ask? Does that consume a lot of power?
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Well yeah of course GPS uses a lot, especially when you don't use it, it's just wasted energy so to speak.
Greenify lets apps go to sleep earlier/faster so that they can cause less wakelocks.
With Greenify and DS BS I don't need Stamina mode and many of us are even wondering if Stamina is working most of the times, these two apps I'm certain that they work.
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Well yeah of course GPS uses a lot, especially when you don't use it, it's just wasted energy so to speak.
Greenify lets apps go to sleep earlier/faster so that they can cause less wakelocks.
With Greenify and DS BS I don't need Stamina mode and many of us are even wondering if Stamina is working most of the times, these two apps I'm certain that they work.
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Well, I've been keeping an eye on it for the past week, and I seem to be losing next to no charge when screen is off. My phone is in deep sleep over 75% of the time. (According to Better Battery Stats)
I do seem to be losing 1% charge for every 3 minutes or so while my screen is on. Is that normal? We're not talking gaming or anything demanding, just some browsing and messaging.
Amplifiction said:
Well, I've been keeping an eye on it for the past week, and I seem to be losing next to no charge when screen is off. My phone is in deep sleep over 75% of the time. (According to Better Battery Stats)
I do seem to be losing 1% charge for every 3 minutes or so while my screen is on. Is that normal? We're not talking gaming or anything heavy, just some browsing and messaging.
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I think the best way to measure if it's correct or not, to for example put some movies on your phone and let them play constantly, see how long your phone can manage.
You should get at least 6 hours of on screen time using that method
It's too late to say this, but after getting a new battery/phone you should always drain it fully and then fully charge the battery so that the battery has a proper charge (it saves a lot of battery capacity and battery life)
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It's too late to say this, but after getting a new battery/phone you should always drain it fully and then fully charge the battery so that the battery has a proper charge (it saves a lot of battery capacity and battery life)
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Good that it's too late, because it's incorrect. This suggestion dates back to the days of NiCd batteries which had "memory effect". Li-Ion batteries found in modern devices for at least the last several years and definitely since the beginning of Android don't have this effect, but have something else - when you drain the battery completely, you cause damage to the battery cells, and it can withstand only a few of these full-draining cycles before losing significant part of its charge capacity. This is why both laptops and phones have protective measures to turn off the phone completely before the battery reaches a dangerous drained state. And as the batteries go bad and their "low percentage" scale becomes unreliable (not able to sustain operation currents with low charge), these protective mechanisms can fire too late - which in turn can cause storage corruption to occur, if the power is lost gradually and not abruptly during operation.
To another poster that doesn't believe in faulty batteries - he better should. Batteries go bad with time and charge-discharge cycles, they're harmed by complete discharge, and can go bad in several other ways. However, I wouldn't expect a battery to start its life damaged - quality control of the manufacturer should prevent this.
My results for reference - I have ~2-3 hours a day SOT, 1-2 hours tethering, have several phone calls, messages and mails - and the phone is usually upwards of %50 at the evening. I have to run it through ~4 hours navigation to reduce it to sub-20% towards the end of the day, and actually see no reason why a smartphone should hold any longer - it's routinely recharged every night. The main problem for smartphones, to me, is not surviving till the end of the day.
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It's too late to say this, but after getting a new battery/phone you should always drain it fully and then fully charge the battery so that the battery has a proper charge (it saves a lot of battery capacity and battery life)
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Thank you for sharing, but that advice is about as outdated and useless as changing your car's oil every 3000 miles. Batteries simply don't work that way anymore and some studies show that battery life is actually reduced when you perform full charge cycles instead of shorter recharges throughout the day.
Edit: looks like someone else best me to it :-/
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Good that it's too late, because it's incorrect. This suggestion dates back to the days of NiCd batteries which had "memory effect". Li-Ion batteries found in modern devices for at least the last several years and definitely since the beginning of Android don't have this effect, but have something else - when you drain the battery completely, you cause damage to the battery cells, and it can withstand only a few of these full-draining cycles before losing significant part of its charge capacity. This is why both laptops and phones have protective measures to turn off the phone completely before the battery reaches a dangerous drained state. And as the batteries go bad and their "low percentage" scale becomes unreliable (not able to sustain operation currents with low charge), these protective mechanisms can fire too late - which in turn can cause storage corruption to occur, if the power is lost gradually and not abruptly during operation.
To another poster that doesn't believe in faulty batteries - he better should. Batteries go bad with time and charge-discharge cycles, they're harmed by complete discharge, and can go bad in several other ways. However, I wouldn't expect a battery to start its life damaged - quality control of the manufacturer should prevent this.
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PuffDaddy_d said:
Thank you for sharing, but that advice is about as outdated and useless as changing your car's oil every 3000 miles. Batteries simply don't work that way anymore and some studies show that battery life is actually reduced when you perform full charge cycles instead of shorter recharges throughout the day.
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Actually sorry to break it to you, but you are wrong, Li-ION batteries do have a memory effect, since about 2013, researchers have found that they do have memory effect.
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Actually sorry to break it to you, but you are wrong, Li-ION batteries do have a memory effect, since about 2013, researchers have found that they do have memory effect.
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Well, thanks for showing me something new. However, this is a very different effect from NiCD. While in NiCD this effect would prevent the battery from taking a full charge when repeatedly not discharged fully, in the research you've showed there are 2 very important points:
1. What matters is not the discharge, but rather a charge. Charging not fully is a way to trigger this effect. On the other hand, discharging partially (like in NiCD) doesn't trigger it. This point makes the info, while indeed interesting by itself, irrelevant to the current discussion, and keeps your previous suggestion wrong and bad for the battery.
2. If kept charging a bit longer - the battery would still charge fully, though it would take a different amount of time from the expected. For night time charging, when the phone is connected to the charger for several hours more than it's needed to actually regain the charge, I'd guess that most of the time it does the job of filling the battery properly even after an incomplete charging cycle.
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After reading it again - actually there is a third point that makes your suggestion even much worse than I thought it is:
This memory effect that you've pointed to is triggered by having an incomplete charge followed by a complete discharge. That means, incomplete charge with incomplete discharge don't cause it - a complete discharge is required. And when you receive a new phone, the battery isn't fully charged - so if someone goes by your suggestion:
nzzane said:
...after getting a new battery/phone you should always drain it fully and then fully charge the battery...
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He would actually be triggering the memory effect you've linked to, on its bad side!
And just for reference, here is a recent article from 2015 that is far less technical, but does a great job of explaining battery behavior in practical terms that average people can understand:
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/expert-advice-on-how-to-avoid-destroying-your-phones-battery/

Battery Life experiences

Just curious on people's battery life experiences so far. This seems to be the main negative I hear about this device from reviews. I am most likely going to get the device nonetheless.
I don't feel like the battery life is that bad on this device.
I can get through a hole day very easily. I play some games (but not that much), I listen to a lot of music and I use Chrome very often.
Still I have about 40% at the end of the day.
For a device with a 1440*2560 5.7 inch screen and a Snapdragon 810 I reckon that it is pretty good.
I can only tell you to get this device it is awesome
Battery life for me is pretty terrible. The battery drain is significant even when the phone is in idle. I usually have access to a charger throughout the course of a day and I feel the need to keep it connected as often as possible. I still love the phone, but the battery life is the worst I have experienced with any phone I have had in the last couple of years, and I have used many. I leave it on balanced mode for the majority of the day and only switch to performance mode when I am going to play a graphic intensive game.
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Battery life for me is pretty terrible. The battery drain is significant even when the phone is in idle. I usually have access to a charger throughout the course of a day and I feel the need to keep it connected as often as possible. I still love the phone, but the battery life is the worst I have experienced with any phone I have had in the last couple of years, and I have used many. I leave it on balanced mode for the majority of the day and only switch to performance mode when I am going to play a graphic intensive game.
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Yikes. Have you tried any software like Greenify to help alleviate the problem or it still persists ?
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Yikes. Have you tried any software like Greenify to help alleviate the problem or it still persists ?
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No, I haven't tried any apps or other battery profiles. Like I said, I keep it plugged in a lot during the day, so I have never felt the need to see how far I could stretch a single charge. This is also the way I have kept all of my previous phones and the Xiaomi drains the battery the fastest in comparison.
Mine lasts me about 12hours. I listen to music most of the day and I'm a heavy user.
Got the phone 2 days ago. got around 4 hours 15 minutes SOT from 7am till 9pm on the international rom. Better than i was expecting. Hopefully I can improve it further.
I have to admit that over time the battery got worse. That would be because I have more apps etc..
What is your SOT time usually?
I noticed today my battery SOT and idle drain has been really bad. The only thing I think I did diffrently was that I logged onto my miui account last night so i could download themes. I have no use for the miui account other htan the themes so I will try logging out and seeing how things are after it....
2-9% per hour is not bad i guess...
If i use it a lot, then only it will go as far as 11% per hour and mostly because the big QHD screen,
When it sleep, it almost didnt drain...
Of course you have to kill/disable all those stupid google play services... Named it Event Log and Checkin handoff etc etc
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2-9% per hour is not bad i guess...
If i use it a lot, then only it will go as far as 11% per hour and mostly because the big QHD screen,
When it sleep, it almost didnt drain...
Of course you have to kill/disable all those stupid google play services... Named it Event Log and Checkin handoff etc etc
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Are you still using the Mi note pro?

Bad Battery Life?

Hey guys, I've seen posts about people getting amazing battery life, both on stock and on a custom rom. I can never seem to get the same results, whatever I do. Sometimes, I'll toggle a setting and I'll see improvements for a day or two, then it goes back. Even more frustrating is there have been times when I turn the setting back to what it was and see improvements. It was like this for a while, but recently I've kinda gotten stuck with ~15 hours from 100% to 10% and nothing seems to change it. I have location on device only (its for weather, battery saving seems to be worse because Google services just syncs all the time and eats battery) and mobile data on. I've disabled pretty much every Verizon app and I just use moto display and the sleep thing. What else can I do to get better battery life short of a custom rom? The only reason I won't do a custom rom is because my parents won't let me spend $25 on sunshine, whether it's their money or mine.
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I exactly get the same results as you. I'm on stock and disabled all verizon apps. A help could be really nice.
Keep in mind that battery life varies GREATLY upon usage. I can kill my battery in a matter of a few hours or have it last for nearly a week. Sync frequency, sleep time, connectivity, refresh settings, screen brightness, CPU usage, vibration on/off, number of wake locks...I can go on and on.
For example, I had my S4 last 5 days before it dropped to 80%, as you can imagine I didn't use it much. However, that same phone died in probably 3-4 hours on me also.
What matters most is if you have more battery life than your previous phone. Never compare your battery life to others.
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richii0207 said:
Keep in mind that battery life varies GREATLY upon usage. I can kill my battery in a matter of a few hours or have it last for nearly a week. Sync frequency, sleep time, connectivity, refresh settings, screen brightness, CPU usage, vibration on/off, number of wake locks...I can go on and on.
For example, I had my S4 last 5 days before it dropped to 80%, as you can imagine I didn't use it much. However, that same phone died in probably 3-4 hours on me also.
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I included some usage statistics in the ingur link. A lot of battery seems to be used by Android os and android system. Is there anything I can do to lower this?
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I included some usage statistics in the ingur link. A lot of battery seems to be used by Android os and android system. Is there anything I can do to lower this?
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What do you have your screen brightness set to? Your phone looks completely normal in terms of battery usage (Android/Google will always use a couple percentage).
Try turning off adaptive brightness and putting your device to the lowest brightness you can stand, that should add at least another hour or two depending on your current settings. 3 hours of SoT over a days usage with what looks like moderate use (YouTube, Messaging, etc.) isn't too bad for this phone.
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What do you have your screen brightness set to? Your phone looks completely normal in terms of battery usage (Android/Google will always use a couple percentage).
Try turning off adaptive brightness and putting your device to the lowest brightness you can stand, that should add at least another hour or two depending on your current settings. 3 hours of SoT over a days usage with what looks like moderate use (YouTube, Messaging, etc.) isn't too bad for this phone.
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Thanks for the advice! I guess I was expecting too much out of this phone Oh well, i'll just wait until i can get $25 in amazon or google play gift cards to pay for sunshine so i can get computerfreak's rom.
I am on CF's latest ROM and I'll say my battery life improved compared to stock, but not by much. I may get 6 hours SoT but my battery is down below 20% by the end of the day, and that is if I avoid playing games. Playing games all bets are off, the battery runs out quick.
There are some out there saying they get 8+ hours SoT and 48+ hours between charges. I call BS on that unless you are running minimum brightness and not doing any syncing or anything location based, and possibly even turning off cell data. Showing off with pictures of their battery stats and not telling the whole story.
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If you unlock with Sunshine and install RR, you can use the custom kernel to tweak the CPU and GPU frequency to save battery life.
Additionally, there are other ways to save battery, like adjusting the pixel density and colors. (At least I think so?)
Greenify also helps. I think that is available for non-root as well.
Also, check your wake time. If always awake, could be the Google services running constantly trying to update.
There is an app to fix that, but I think it requires root.
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also, my phone really likes to shut off before it reaches 0% battery. Is this normal?
FrostedWaffle said:
also, my phone really likes to shut off before it reaches 0% battery. Is this normal?
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I doubt its normal, buy I have noticed that mine does that too. It usually shuts down around 7% without warning.

Battery life a bit odd? Amongst other things

Hi all, bit of background, I had my Z3c for just over 2 years and 6 months, heard the news about the XZ1c and soon as it was out I jumped at the chance of buying it.
Sadly, I haven't bonded too well with it.
Compared to my Z3c the battery life hasn't been all that good even using stamina. That's with minimal screen on time too. My Z3c used to do almost 2 days, this I can get a day and that's barely! Greenify is in use to kill apps etc.
After a full charge with battery care enabled I'm losing a load of charge and God knows where...!
SwiftKey absolutely sucks on this phone unless I have stamina turned off.
Vibration is bad, I've had to turn it off on the keyboard.
I also want to find a way to mod the stamina mode 3 so it's device performance but kills data too just as per the Z3C.
I'll attach some screen shots too so you can see what I mean... Just a bit disappointed.
Your experience is similar to mine. I have about 30% left when the day is over and that is with having about 2-3 hours of screen time. I turned off the majority of location and updates and keep screen brightness to a minimum. Despite not being as good as what I was expecting, it's better than the Pixel I had before this phone which couldn't make it through my usual 16 hour day without being plugged in.
that an estimated time only, depending on your history use.
but yeah z3c was kinda king with battery... i dont think this one will be. Sna835 is powerefficientier but remember that apps will be alway hungrier too.
It's better than majority of phones on the market... I think the Z3C spoilt us though, it was definitely king, even at its age it still gives well over 36 hours use.
Im having a great time with my xz1c.
My first charge
My first full charge is pretty good 51 hours alive with 5,5 hours screen on time.
I have disabled vibrations when typing, manual screen brightness (most of the time set at about 1/3), sync on all the time, Wi-Fi and LTE enabled all the time
Use gmaps, chrome, played 1:40h heavy game... Im satisfied with it..
The only strange thing I see is high battery drop over night.
It goes more than 10%, I was hoping for 3%. Phone idle battery consumption is on top then. I hope it will change in the future ROMs.
Do you guys see it also?
Davka said:
The only strange thing I see is high battery drop over night.
It goes more than 10%, I was hoping for 3%. Phone idle battery consumption is on top then. I hope it will change in the future ROMs.
Do you guys see it also?
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you can limit an app on background and also limit its data use. make a test: close all aps overnight and see if it changes.
profyler said:
you can limit an app on background and also limit its data use. make a test: close all aps overnight and see if it changes.
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I'm gonna try this, as I'm also seeing a big battery drop overnight. My Z3c used to drop 2% overnight, this drops massively.
I think the stamina mode isn't the same as previous z compact phones. Really really struggling to bond with this phone man lol.
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I'm gonna try this, as I'm also seeing a big battery drop overnight. My Z3c used to drop 2% overnight, this drops massively.
I think the stamina mode isn't the same as previous z compact phones. Really really struggling to bond with this phone man lol.
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well see if there is app eating your battery in the battery stats. if yes than choose the option on the app to limit it on background. Dont forget to limit its data plan on background too in the data plan menu.
reboot the phone. close all aps and go to sleep.
tell us if something changed.
Lost 2% in my 8 hour sleep.
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I think the stamina mode isn't the same as previous z compact phones.
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I've noticed that Google Play Services seems to get the hump if you have any extended stamina mode. When I check app battery usage with stamina mode on, GPS is one of the top users. But not there with stamina mode off. If fact stamina mode seems to use more battery than if its turned off. I need to do a few more charges to confirm.
Battery life is excellent btw, better than any phone I have had before. Regularly getting to three days of use.
I have power mode activated with zx1 compact I disable the vibration jacket and some useless application kindeXXX is still improved battery life
profyler said:
well see if there is app eating your battery in the battery stats. if yes than choose the option on the app to limit it on background. Dont forget to limit its data plan on background too in the data plan menu.
reboot the phone. close all aps and go to sleep.
tell us if something changed.
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So it's been a few days! So far I've:
- Changed my SwiftKey setting to vibration off,
- stamina mode changes to performance orientated instead of battery life biased like before,
- auto brightness off
- Limited MANY app's background data and background running as above (cheers for that mate)
- priority mode on to alert me of important calls only, everything else just uses the notification light with no sounds.
I'm now finally, because of the above, beginning to see 2 days battery life almost 3 days last week!
Still more to do for good battery like instead of just stamina mode On like on the Z3C but hey I guess I can live with it!
So as happy as I am... Still can't get to the bottom of why it loses the first 10% so fast?! Check this out, taken off charge like just over an hour ago and I've lost 4% already!
From 80% onwards it lasts a good while but damn man why's it losing the initial 10% or so that fast?!
This is my battery life for the last few days, it's been good... But this is doing my head in, losing first 10%so fast...
... And I've lost another 2% since that last post! Ffs man.
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... And I've lost another 2% since that last post! Ffs man.
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Can you tell me what is the Firmware of your device ?
Lost 15% of the battery while my 10hr sleep today. Very strange. My Z3c used to eat no more than 3% without any limitations, closing apps or stamina mode.

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