Battery life a bit odd? Amongst other things - Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact Questions & Answers

Hi all, bit of background, I had my Z3c for just over 2 years and 6 months, heard the news about the XZ1c and soon as it was out I jumped at the chance of buying it.
Sadly, I haven't bonded too well with it.
Compared to my Z3c the battery life hasn't been all that good even using stamina. That's with minimal screen on time too. My Z3c used to do almost 2 days, this I can get a day and that's barely! Greenify is in use to kill apps etc.
After a full charge with battery care enabled I'm losing a load of charge and God knows where...!
SwiftKey absolutely sucks on this phone unless I have stamina turned off.
Vibration is bad, I've had to turn it off on the keyboard.
I also want to find a way to mod the stamina mode 3 so it's device performance but kills data too just as per the Z3C.
I'll attach some screen shots too so you can see what I mean... Just a bit disappointed.

Your experience is similar to mine. I have about 30% left when the day is over and that is with having about 2-3 hours of screen time. I turned off the majority of location and updates and keep screen brightness to a minimum. Despite not being as good as what I was expecting, it's better than the Pixel I had before this phone which couldn't make it through my usual 16 hour day without being plugged in.

that an estimated time only, depending on your history use.
but yeah z3c was kinda king with battery... i dont think this one will be. Sna835 is powerefficientier but remember that apps will be alway hungrier too.

It's better than majority of phones on the market... I think the Z3C spoilt us though, it was definitely king, even at its age it still gives well over 36 hours use.

Im having a great time with my xz1c.

My first charge
My first full charge is pretty good 51 hours alive with 5,5 hours screen on time.
I have disabled vibrations when typing, manual screen brightness (most of the time set at about 1/3), sync on all the time, Wi-Fi and LTE enabled all the time

Use gmaps, chrome, played 1:40h heavy game... Im satisfied with it..

The only strange thing I see is high battery drop over night.
It goes more than 10%, I was hoping for 3%. Phone idle battery consumption is on top then. I hope it will change in the future ROMs.
Do you guys see it also?

Davka said:
The only strange thing I see is high battery drop over night.
It goes more than 10%, I was hoping for 3%. Phone idle battery consumption is on top then. I hope it will change in the future ROMs.
Do you guys see it also?
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you can limit an app on background and also limit its data use. make a test: close all aps overnight and see if it changes.

profyler said:
you can limit an app on background and also limit its data use. make a test: close all aps overnight and see if it changes.
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I'm gonna try this, as I'm also seeing a big battery drop overnight. My Z3c used to drop 2% overnight, this drops massively.
I think the stamina mode isn't the same as previous z compact phones. Really really struggling to bond with this phone man lol.

silestanix said:
I'm gonna try this, as I'm also seeing a big battery drop overnight. My Z3c used to drop 2% overnight, this drops massively.
I think the stamina mode isn't the same as previous z compact phones. Really really struggling to bond with this phone man lol.
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well see if there is app eating your battery in the battery stats. if yes than choose the option on the app to limit it on background. Dont forget to limit its data plan on background too in the data plan menu.
reboot the phone. close all aps and go to sleep.
tell us if something changed.

Lost 2% in my 8 hour sleep.

silestanix said:
I think the stamina mode isn't the same as previous z compact phones.
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I've noticed that Google Play Services seems to get the hump if you have any extended stamina mode. When I check app battery usage with stamina mode on, GPS is one of the top users. But not there with stamina mode off. If fact stamina mode seems to use more battery than if its turned off. I need to do a few more charges to confirm.
Battery life is excellent btw, better than any phone I have had before. Regularly getting to three days of use.

I have power mode activated with zx1 compact I disable the vibration jacket and some useless application kindeXXX is still improved battery life

profyler said:
well see if there is app eating your battery in the battery stats. if yes than choose the option on the app to limit it on background. Dont forget to limit its data plan on background too in the data plan menu.
reboot the phone. close all aps and go to sleep.
tell us if something changed.
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So it's been a few days! So far I've:
- Changed my SwiftKey setting to vibration off,
- stamina mode changes to performance orientated instead of battery life biased like before,
- auto brightness off
- Limited MANY app's background data and background running as above (cheers for that mate)
- priority mode on to alert me of important calls only, everything else just uses the notification light with no sounds.
I'm now finally, because of the above, beginning to see 2 days battery life almost 3 days last week!
Still more to do for good battery like instead of just stamina mode On like on the Z3C but hey I guess I can live with it!

So as happy as I am... Still can't get to the bottom of why it loses the first 10% so fast?! Check this out, taken off charge like just over an hour ago and I've lost 4% already!
From 80% onwards it lasts a good while but damn man why's it losing the initial 10% or so that fast?!

This is my battery life for the last few days, it's been good... But this is doing my head in, losing first 10%so fast...

... And I've lost another 2% since that last post! Ffs man.

silestanix said:
... And I've lost another 2% since that last post! Ffs man.
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Can you tell me what is the Firmware of your device ?

Lost 15% of the battery while my 10hr sleep today. Very strange. My Z3c used to eat no more than 3% without any limitations, closing apps or stamina mode.

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[Q] Battery Life on Xperia Z. Sucks.

Folks,
Can anyone suggest how much battery life they are getting on their device. Not sure it is a common problem or my device is defective.
It stays on for only 3 to 4 hours and dies, i.e. just a couple of messages and emails (albeit on 100% brightness and NOT on Stamina mode). Is it normal. Brightness to be kept on auto?
If I play video or so, battery goes from 100 to 10% in about 1 hour maximum.
Have juice defender installed. Also a task killer (which kills the background ones and they restart on their own). But not so much help though.
Any suggestions?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2150786
There you go!
ram11 said:
Folks,
Can anyone suggest how much battery life they are getting on their device. Not sure it is a common problem or my device is defective.
It stays on for only 3 to 4 hours and dies, i.e. just a couple of messages and emails (albeit on 100% brightness and NOT on Stamina mode). Is it normal. Brightness to be kept on auto?
If I play video or so, battery goes from 100 to 10% in about 1 hour maximum.
Have juice defender installed. Also a task killer (which kills the background ones and they restart on their own). But not so much help though.
Any suggestions?
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Try the battery guru snapdragon app,which works well for me.
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Get rid of juice defender, reduce brightness to 75% on usual daily use, and you should get around 4 to 5 hours screen on time, and up to 24 hours standby time.
ram11 said:
Folks,
Can anyone suggest how much battery life they are getting on their device. Not sure it is a common problem or my device is defective.
It stays on for only 3 to 4 hours and dies, i.e. just a couple of messages and emails (albeit on 100% brightness and NOT on Stamina mode). Is it normal. Brightness to be kept on auto?
If I play video or so, battery goes from 100 to 10% in about 1 hour maximum.
Have juice defender installed. Also a task killer (which kills the background ones and they restart on their own). But not so much help though.
Any suggestions?
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snapdragon guru is not available for all region But lemme know about ur kernel and model; c6602 OR c6603?
little working with xZ just uses less than 20% in 24hrs
with 50% brightness & Stamina On
Xperia z is either having a software or hardware problem
I use a note 10.1 for two months and did gaming all the time with 3g on but it lasted for two days without charging. But the Z cant even handle 15 minutes of gaming. It goes down from 71% to 62% IN 15 MINUTES. I expected the update would fix the problem. But I dont see any difference. I was so curious with the Z. But I doubt that now. Is the fate of Sony going to be that of like Toyota.
Muawiyath said:
I use a note 10.1 for two months and did gaming all the time with 3g on but it lasted for two days without charging. But the Z cant even handle 15 minutes of gaming. It goes down from 71% to 62% IN 15 MINUTES. I expected the update would fix the problem. But I dont see any difference. I was so curious with the Z. But I doubt that now. Is the fate of Sony going to be that of like Toyota.
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why are you comparing note 10.1 to the sony xperia z are you nuts
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_10_1_n8000-4573.php
your comparing a 7000 mah battery to a 2330 mah you have to be mad to think your going to get the same performance out of the two. i swear some people are full of crap
It's not bad at all.
In the second image, the on screen time was 4 hours. Plus I used out for about 3 our 4 hours of calls.
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Reduce the brightness, using 100% is madness.
Root and install greenify then get rid of task killer and juice defense
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On 100% brightness I wouldn't expect much more.
From experience I set my screen brightness to about 25%, which is more than enough for normal use indoors. If I need to use the phone outdoors or in sunlight I'll put the brightness up but it always goes back to 25% when I'm indoors again.
The only sync I have on mine is my Google account, everything else is set to manually refresh only.
On my 3rd day of owning the phone I had 24h+ of use from it, and that's still improving. My battery is on about 60% at the moment after 18 hours. If I turn on Stamina Mode it predicts another 2 days!
However, if I was watching videos at 100% screen brightness, I wouldn't expect much more than an hour or two. Horses for courses.
Not Normal
ram11 said:
Folks,
Can anyone suggest how much battery life they are getting on their device. Not sure it is a common problem or my device is defective.
It stays on for only 3 to 4 hours and dies, i.e. just a couple of messages and emails (albeit on 100% brightness and NOT on Stamina mode). Is it normal. Brightness to be kept on auto?
If I play video or so, battery goes from 100 to 10% in about 1 hour maximum.
Have juice defender installed. Also a task killer (which kills the background ones and they restart on their own). But not so much help though.
Any suggestions?
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Your situation is not normal. Maybe the battery life on the Xperia Z sucks. Maybe it's all about managing your apps and stuff - but no. Not that much. Playing video shouldn't drain the battery 90% in an hour. I play streaming video over WiFi for 2 hours a day (boring train ride) and leave WiFi on and Stamina mode off all day. Maybe when I get home at the end of the day the battery is at like 30% and maybe I don't play with the phone much once I get to work - but video kills the battery in an hour? Not if it's hardware accelerated video.
I al sure some people will say "See what is running in the background", but I am not sure you would be able to drain your battery that fast even running like @home stuff.
After a few charge and when the battery is season it will be okay
charging
how long does it take to charge this phone? 0-100%
pacman82 said:
how long does it take to charge this phone? 0-100%
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I'd say around 2.30 - 3 hours.
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I always just leave my phone to charge overnight

Just got my Xperia Z, and...

I just bought an Xperia Z phone and tablet yesterday and was pretty exited about it! It works really well, I love the design work and, yeah its just great. Only thing is, the battery is killing me, here's why:
I woke up this morning and unplugged my phone from the charger, it was at 100% of course. I sat down in my couch, checked Facebook and some News websites. Literally 8-10 minutes later, my battery percentage is 91%... 91%!!!!
My brightness is at ~40% no running apps in the background, no live wallpaper, WiFi on, latest Android update.
Is this normal? I was used to my Galaxy S2 lasting a lot longer, and I know I can't compare the two batteries and phones, but if this problem persists, this would mean I wouldn't be able to use my phone for apps and whatnot for more than 1h20m without having to charge it.
I got it yesterday, turned it on and configured the phone without it being in the charger, it was on ~50% when I turned it on and when it reached like ~20% I plugged it in the charger, I don't know if this could have damaged the battery, should I've plugged it in the charger right away? I am saying this because I remember on old cellphones (not smartphones) to get the best from the battery you had to charge it non-stop for like 20h or so.
Sigh, this is a bit frustrating. My Xperia Tablet Z has a great battery btw., absolutely no problem there.
The Xperia Z phone has screen time of 4hrs or so. It's primarily because of the 5 inch 1080p screen which consumes a lot more battery. I have owned my Z for two months and I get a day out of it with 30% battery by the time I hit the sack. For me it lasts 15 hrs or more.
Swraj
how can people stand 40% brightness? its like killing my eyes.
i do 0% brightness with auto on. saves me alot of battery.
swrajjoshi said:
The Xperia Z phone has screen time of 4hrs or so. It's primarily because of the 5 inch 1080p screen which consumes a lot more battery. I have owned my Z for two months and I get a day out of it with 30% battery by the time I hit the sack. For me it lasts 15 hrs or more.
Swraj
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Do comment only after giving the battery multiple charge cycles. If the same problem persist after 2 weeks, yes you probably need to check what is sucking up the battery.
Do take a look at the graph under "Settings" -> "Power Management" -> "Battery" to take a look at what is the highest consumer.
newtbie said:
Do comment only after giving the battery multiple charge cycles. If the same problem persist after 2 weeks, yes you probably need to check what is sucking up the battery.
Do take a look at the graph under "Settings" -> "Power Management" -> "Battery" to take a look at what is the highest consumer.
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Ok I will give it some time, but it doesn't look good.
I've lowered my brightness to 0% and the power mgmt tells me that the screen is using up 40% battery, I don't get it..
xQlich said:
Ok I will give it some time, but it doesn't look good.
I've lowered my brightness to 0% and the power mgmt tells me that the screen is using up 40% battery, I don't get it..
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It means out of all the battery power used, 40% of the time the screen was active and consuming power... I think
Try these
I used to complain like u did at the beginning, but i tried doing these things and it really improved my battery performance....
1- 1st of all it will get better after a week of charging discharging cycles
2- I uninstalled moxier pro
3- Deactivated google now
4- Disable bravia engine 2
5- Disable google chrome and use another browser (boat browser is really awesome and it supports flash)
6- Disable access to my location from location services and activate it only when u need it
if u do these things u will have marvelous battery improvements!!
Lemagex said:
It means out of all the battery power used, 40% of the time the screen was active and consuming power... I think
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It actually means of all the drain, the screen accounted for 40% of it.

My Lollipop battery fix. Went from 40% overnight drain to 5%!

My battery life was fcuked: losing 40%-%50 overnight while it was inactive sitting on the nightstand.
(Factory reset did not help at all!)
Now after futzing with the WIFI setting, last night I lost only 5% total in 8 hours sleep time.
Furthermore battery read 18% remaining at 10:30 PM and still read 18% at 4:17 AM.
Now this is more like what my iPhone 6 gets while sleeping.
What seems to have fixed by battery woes.
I changed the (Advanced) WIFI frequency setting from Automatic to 5Ghz (which would not work at all) and then to 2.4 Ghz only.
As of today I have 87% remaining after 3 hours of casual use (after charging to 100%.) Previously (for the past week since installing Lollipop) I was losing about 25% per hour during casual usage - ridiculously bad battery life.
Hopefully this will work for someone other than myself. I had just listed this thing on Craigslist because I cannot use a phone with 4 hour battery life.
Good luck.
Just set it to the same WiFi setting, will get back with screens.
Thanks though, I have brought this phone recently and thought it was only me getting bad battery life :\ I've had to charge this phone more than I did my nexus 4. I brought it off someone after they had used it for 9 months.
mine
Mine loses 1 or 2% overnight with wifi left on. Luck of the draw i guess.
trsix said:
Mine loses 1 or 2% overnight with wifi left on. Luck of the draw i guess.
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trsix, what wifi frequency is yours set to? And did you ever alter the freq. setting?
Thanks.
ronnienyc said:
My battery life was fcuked: losing 40%-%50 overnight while it was inactive sitting on the nightstand.
(Factory reset did not help at all!)
Now after futzing with the WIFI setting, last night I lost only 5% total in 8 hours sleep time.
Furthermore battery read 18% remaining at 10:30 PM and still read 18% at 4:17 AM.
Now this is more like what my iPhone 6 gets while sleeping.
What seems to have fixed by battery woes.
I changed the (Advanced) WIFI frequency setting from Automatic to 5Ghz (which would not work at all) and then to 2.4 Ghz only.
As of today I have 87% remaining after 3 hours of casual use (after charging to 100%.) Previously (for the past week since installing Lollipop) I was losing about 25% per hour during casual usage - ridiculously bad battery life.
Hopefully this will work for someone other than myself. I had just listed this thing on Craigslist because I cannot use a phone with 4 hour battery life.
Good luck.
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try setting it back to auto and see what happens. IE, try to replicate the issue and the fix.
For me, I went back to KK 4.4.4 factory image and took OTA seems to fix the wifi idle to just same as OP overnight (~5%). But after some use, it can drain quick but not as quick as I was on custom ROM (all kinds I tried).
ronnienyc said:
Furthermore battery read 18% remaining at 10:30 PM and still read 18% at 4:17 AM.
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This can happen when the phone is being moderately used before a longer idle period. The battery percentage will actually go up to compensate for the earlier usage estimation, giving the illusion of zero drop over night. It becomes clear after seeing the graph and the line going up only to drop down to the pre-idle level.
Kind of annoying since I'd like to see how much was actually lost over night. Just something that happens with the estimation process that is our battery level.
I recently switched from 2.4Ghz only back to Auto mode as it seems the WiFi speed drop issues are no longer present on my particular home network. No battery drain or issues yet but I will keep a close eye on it. Thanks for sharing.
bblzd said:
This can happen when the phone is being moderately used before a longer idle period. The battery percentage will actually go up to compensate for the earlier usage estimation, giving the illusion of zero drop over night. It becomes clear after seeing the graph and the line going up only to drop down to the pre-idle level.
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I think your statement is true, as I noticed that with OTA updates, my idle over night is very low. However, upon using the phone the battery immediately starting to report drastic drop in percentage number. I mean this is cruel as in it gives us a false sense of battery consumption over all lol.
I will try it thanks
I'm going to give this a try. I've been using an app to turn wifi off when asleep but am still getting higher drain on wifi with the screen on than should be. Will report back after a day or two.
Personally I don't think they fixed the wifi miscellaneous drain and just hid it in the usage stats. My battery life has never been the same since the final dev preview. Luckily I'm always near a charger.
vboyz103 said:
I think your statement is true, as I noticed that with OTA updates, my idle over night is very low. However, upon using the phone the battery immediately starting to report drastic drop in percentage number. I mean this is cruel as in it gives us a false sense of battery consumption over all lol.
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Did you guys read the entire OP?
I have had an overall drastic improvement in battery life - not merely during idle time
ronnienyc said:
Did you guys read the entire OP?
I have had an overall drastic improvement in battery life - not merely during idle time
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Right, I did read the OP and actually did make the same adjustments. However, I didn't see any improvements on my KK 4.4.4 upgraded to L via OTA in terms of idling overnight. My idle stats are very good even prior to the adjustment mentioned and same post adjustments. However, the freaking issue is when I started using the phone.
I think it is varies wildly for each user and their phone.
" the freaking issue is when I started using the phone.”
Indeed, this is another issue with this phone. Battery is too freaking small.
At this point i am back on my iPhone 6. iOS is a bit rigid for my taste, but the thing is fast, great screen, and runs two days on a charge, call quality is superior, louder speaker, etc!
Battery life is critical, yo.
ronnienyc said:
" the freaking issue is when I started using the phone.”
Indeed, this is another issue with this phone. Battery is too freaking small.
At this point i am back on my iPhone 6. iOS is a bit rigid for my taste, but the thing is fast, great screen, and runs two days on a charge, call quality is superior, louder speaker, etc!
Battery life is critical, yo.
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I feel ya, I tried a 5s and iOS 7 out for about 6 months because it looked nice. Had great battery life until I had to jailbreak it to get it to do what I wanted (which is stock/non root stuff on android) and apps from cydia rocked my battery ;-( then it was like why am I having to tweak the crap out of this phone to do simple things I want that shouldn't be a big deal in the first place? Finally just decided to come back to my N5 in the end.
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Right, I did read the OP and actually did make the same adjustments. However, I didn't see any improvements on my KK 4.4.4 upgraded to L via OTA in terms of idling overnight. My idle stats are very good even prior to the adjustment mentioned and same post adjustments. However, the freaking issue is when I started using the phone.
I think it is varies wildly for each user and their phone.
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This. I hate how much my battery drains when my screen is on. I'm convinced some of it is Lollipop though. I got a feeling it is also related to the memory leaks.
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@Clienterror
Agreed about ios, but it is getting better. The notificatiins just got a lit better....little things are slowly improving.
Something that is GREAT on iOS now: voice to text is screaming fast now, and extremely accurate. I rarely type emails and texts now. No kidding!
I went back to 4.4.4 last night - as while the idle drain was fixed with these settings, the overall battery life while using the phone under LL is still relatively miserable.
4.4.4 seems a bit better...
Now I see that 5.0.1 is apparently being released in the next day or two...we shall see. So far the release notes say nothing about a battery fix.
On 4.4, I observed a massive reduction of WiFi wakelocks by setting static IPs in my home network. So if you have problems, give it a try.
is it possaible some app drain it in overnight?
Does no one else realise that a major OS update needs to "bed in" for a good few days? The battery life performance is a lot better on LP. I've an HTC desire 610 though and it goes days between charges. It's a 420 battery but 1/4 hd screen. You take your choice of features and find your phone/s

First night on battery

I let it charge to 100% around 1am, unplugged and work up at 730am. Battery was on 85%. No use at all.
During regular use it seems to drain quickly. I've disabled probably 20 apps.
EVOme said:
I let it charge to 100% around 1am, unplugged and work up at 730am. Battery was on 85%. No use at all.
During regular use it seems to drain quickly. I've disabled probably 20 apps.
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I have my edge since Monday and what you're saying I have not experienced. Post some screen shots of your battery stats so we can have a better idea of what's going on
EVOme said:
I let it charge to 100% around 1am, unplugged and work up at 730am. Battery was on 85%. No use at all.
During regular use it seems to drain quickly. I've disabled probably 20 apps.
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I went to bed around 1am as well, woke up at 9:30am. I also disabled around 20 apps. Bedtime battery was at 95% wake up battery was at 85%. I dont think thats too bad at all.
I'm pretty happy with my battery life so far
Does Verizon have an immediate ota update like tmobile? I didn't he update right away and seems solid enough. Not as good as my g3, but way smaller of a battery in the edge.
Disable the Amazon App Suite from Applications manager. This has been the culprit for every carrier on the S6. If you use Amazon app store, download it through amazon directly (it is a different app than the one included with the phone).
Your problem will be solved right away!!
Also, the Edge display (not the contact color part, but the clock and news feed) is a battery drain.
another problem with alot of s6 owners, aside from the stock amazon app, is there has been alot of battery drain if using wifi. I had wifi on most of the time and noticed a drain from cell standby... once you turn off the wifi that never comes up and drain is perfectly fine... no cell standby battery drain...
My battery was terrible the first day, ok the second day, and far better today. Seems like it has a time it needs to settle down.
I haven't gotten >3.5 hours screen on time yet. Which kind of stinks.
Disabled a few more apps today, will see if they helps any.
Sure have been getting use out of the quick charging though.
Yesterday my phone took a change in the battery department....
EVOme said:
Yesterday my phone took a change in the battery department....
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Wow!
What's your screen-on time? Power-saving enabled at any moment?
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Wow!
What's your screen-on time? Power-saving enabled at any moment?
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Sorry, I didn't look at that before I plugged it in.
Almost 6 hrs of screenon time use, Netflix for 30 mins...Facebook and texting. Screen set at around 30% brightness. Happy with my S6.
Not disappointed in how short the overall battery is...it does what I want and need it to do.
Yesterday my phone was dead from 6am to 6pm today at 5pm still have 47% left and I definitely used it more today. Better with age?
Hello I just gave my first full charge to my phone and the cell stand by is at the top, is there a way to avoid this or we going to accept to live with it, thanks for your help.
my battery wasn't too bad either

New Z3C - Battery dissapointing

I just bought my Z3C a couple of days ago. First thing I did was charge it fully and then I started using it. It went from 100 to 0% in about 21 hours. During that time a SIM card was inserted only during the last couple of hours, but I did use the phone fairly often. The attached thumbnails show the details.
I did notice that it almost loses no charge in standby. But today I noticed an increased decline during screen on time after standby time. See last screenshot attached.
I expected more from this battery based on reviews and Sony's claims. Is this normal or is my battery faulty? While some here report similar numbers, others seems to get a lot more out of their batteries.
Amplifiction said:
I just bought my Z3C a couple of days ago. First thing I did was charge it fully and then I started using it. It went from 100 to 0% in about 21 hours. During that time a SIM card was inserted only during the last couple of hours, but I did use the phone fairly often. The attached thumbnails show the details.
I did notice that it almost loses no charge in standby. But today I noticed an increased decline during screen on time after standby time. See last screenshot attached.
I expected more from this battery based on reviews and Sony's claims. Is this normal or is my battery faulty? While some here report similar numbers, others seems to get a lot more out of their batteries.
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You shouldn't expect more from this battery based on reviews, you should just look at what some people got out of their phones.
Give the phone some time to settle in. And don't forget that it's almost summer for us now, more sun means using the screen at a higher brightness so that will also have some impact on your battery life.
Look what kind of useless apps are running in the background and stop them and don't worry about the estimate, it really doesn't mean much. Right now my estimate is 9 days, because I barely touched my phone.
I really don't believe in such a thing as faulty battery. Charge your phone, restart it and see how it reacts then.
Is Stamina mode enabled? If not, then what you have is typical. Getting a full day out of one charge is about all you can expect from a smartphone without some form of battery saving measures enabled.
Dsteppa said:
You shouldn't expect more from this battery based on reviews, you should just look at what some people got out of their phones.
Give the phone some time to settle in. And don't forget that it's almost summer for us now, more sun means using the screen at a higher brightness so that will also have some impact on your battery life.
Look what kind of useless apps are running in the background and stop them and don't worry about the estimate, it really doesn't mean much. Right now my estimate is 9 days, because I barely touched my phone.
I really don't believe in such a thing as faulty battery. Charge your phone, restart it and see how it reacts then.
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I'd indeed like to hear from people whether or not they get comparable performance. Do you? I'll keep an eye on my battery during the next few days. So you think this is not abnormal?
PuffDaddy_d said:
Is Stamina mode enabled? If not, then what you have is typical. Getting a full day out of one charge is about all you can expect from a smartphone without some form of battery saving measures enabled.
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I'm not sure at what point I turned on Stamina in the battery cycle I posted. It is turned now, however, and I hope it will make a difference. What do you get out of your Z3C?
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I'd indeed like to hear from people whether or not they get comparable performance. Do you? I'll keep an eye on my battery during the next few days. So you think this is not abnormal?
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Here are my results:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=59933232&postcount=48
At the moment I have 3d 10h battery life and still 40% left. Tomorrow after work @ 12 our time I'll charge my phone again, so that's almost 5 days.
(But that's with a lot of idle time)
(Vergeet geen apps te freezen en je telefoon te restarten)
With moderate usage, you should generally expect just about 2 full days of battery life from this phone. And that is with Stamina mode enabled to help the phone sleep when the screen is off. However, this is not accounting for any extreme measures some people take to extend their battery life (e.g. disabling background data/sync). Once you remove these features, you're no longer using the smartphone as it was intended, so it's not a fair comparison.
I can easily get 2 days out of my Z3C before I think about charging it. And I've never used Stamina Mode.
I guess I could install some app to monitor battery usage and stats but I'm not that bothered tbh.
We all manage a variation on the smartphone thing, in terms of data, wifi, gaming, emails, browsing, texts, calls, etc, and its slightly different, in terms of use, from one user to another.
I'd echo the sentiments of another user who said give your battery time to settle in. Give it a full charge, discharge cycle a couple of times, and don't worry too much about it!
Peace.
Thanks for your feedback, guys. I'm currently fully charging and discharging my battery. Several cycles complete.
The best result I've gotten so far is a little under two days with moderate usage and thorough measures to increase battery life. I turn on airplane mode when I go to sleep. Stamina mode is also enabled, but only the reduced performance part. I'm also using 2battery, which turns off WiFi and data when phone is in standby, and turns them back on briefly every 15 minutes. (While I agree that turning off data connections defeats the purpose of a smartphone, I also believe that there is no need for a constant connection when I'm not using my phone. 2battery achieves that. Although I must say it doesn't seem to kick in a lot on lollipop.)
So despite these measures my battery seems weak compared to yours. Anyway, I'll be taking your advice and I'll give it some more time.
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Thanks for your feedback, guys. I'm currently fully charging and discharging my battery. Several cycles complete.
The best result I've gotten so far is a little under two days with moderate usage and thorough measures to increase battery life. I turn on airplane mode when I go to sleep. Stamina mode is also enabled, but only the reduced performance part. I'm also using 2battery, which turns off WiFi and data when phone is in standby, and turns them back on briefly every 15 minutes. (While I agree that turning off data connections defeats the purpose of a smartphone, I also believe that there is no need for a constant connection when I'm not using my phone. 2battery achieves that. Although I must say it doesn't seem to kick in a lot on lollipop.)
So despite these measures my battery seems weak compared to yours. Anyway, I'll be taking your advice and I'll give it some more time.
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I have like never used Stamina mode, try out these apps:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rootuninstaller.batrsaver
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.oasisfeng.greenify
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.asksven.betterbatterystats
You need to be rooted tho (Which shouldn't be a problem)
Are you using GPS or is it always on?
Your battery is fine. You probably lost some standby life when you put a SIM in it, as that would cause your cell radios to begin seeking your carrier's towers.
Do activate Stamina mode if you haven't already done so.
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I have like never used Stamina mode, try out these apps:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rootuninstaller.batrsaver
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.oasisfeng.greenify
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.asksven.betterbatterystats
You need to be rooted tho (Which shouldn't be a problem)
Are you using GPS or is it always on?
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Thanks for the pointers! I have Better Battery Stats, and will give the other two a go. Sounds like DS Battery Saver goes beyond 2Battery, which just manages data and wifi. It can also kill apps, but I suppose you use Greenify for that?
I am indeed rooted. GPS is always on as far as I know. Haven't really paid attention to it. Why do you ask? Does that consume a lot of power?
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Thanks for the pointers! I have Better Battery Stats, and will give the other two a go. Sounds like DS Battery Saver goes beyond 2Battery, which just manages data and wifi. It can also kill apps, but I suppose you use Greenify for that?
I am indeed rooted. GPS is always on as far as I know. Haven't really paid attention to it. Why do you ask? Does that consume a lot of power?
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Well yeah of course GPS uses a lot, especially when you don't use it, it's just wasted energy so to speak.
Greenify lets apps go to sleep earlier/faster so that they can cause less wakelocks.
With Greenify and DS BS I don't need Stamina mode and many of us are even wondering if Stamina is working most of the times, these two apps I'm certain that they work.
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Well yeah of course GPS uses a lot, especially when you don't use it, it's just wasted energy so to speak.
Greenify lets apps go to sleep earlier/faster so that they can cause less wakelocks.
With Greenify and DS BS I don't need Stamina mode and many of us are even wondering if Stamina is working most of the times, these two apps I'm certain that they work.
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Well, I've been keeping an eye on it for the past week, and I seem to be losing next to no charge when screen is off. My phone is in deep sleep over 75% of the time. (According to Better Battery Stats)
I do seem to be losing 1% charge for every 3 minutes or so while my screen is on. Is that normal? We're not talking gaming or anything demanding, just some browsing and messaging.
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Well, I've been keeping an eye on it for the past week, and I seem to be losing next to no charge when screen is off. My phone is in deep sleep over 75% of the time. (According to Better Battery Stats)
I do seem to be losing 1% charge for every 3 minutes or so while my screen is on. Is that normal? We're not talking gaming or anything heavy, just some browsing and messaging.
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I think the best way to measure if it's correct or not, to for example put some movies on your phone and let them play constantly, see how long your phone can manage.
You should get at least 6 hours of on screen time using that method
It's too late to say this, but after getting a new battery/phone you should always drain it fully and then fully charge the battery so that the battery has a proper charge (it saves a lot of battery capacity and battery life)
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nzzane said:
It's too late to say this, but after getting a new battery/phone you should always drain it fully and then fully charge the battery so that the battery has a proper charge (it saves a lot of battery capacity and battery life)
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Good that it's too late, because it's incorrect. This suggestion dates back to the days of NiCd batteries which had "memory effect". Li-Ion batteries found in modern devices for at least the last several years and definitely since the beginning of Android don't have this effect, but have something else - when you drain the battery completely, you cause damage to the battery cells, and it can withstand only a few of these full-draining cycles before losing significant part of its charge capacity. This is why both laptops and phones have protective measures to turn off the phone completely before the battery reaches a dangerous drained state. And as the batteries go bad and their "low percentage" scale becomes unreliable (not able to sustain operation currents with low charge), these protective mechanisms can fire too late - which in turn can cause storage corruption to occur, if the power is lost gradually and not abruptly during operation.
To another poster that doesn't believe in faulty batteries - he better should. Batteries go bad with time and charge-discharge cycles, they're harmed by complete discharge, and can go bad in several other ways. However, I wouldn't expect a battery to start its life damaged - quality control of the manufacturer should prevent this.
My results for reference - I have ~2-3 hours a day SOT, 1-2 hours tethering, have several phone calls, messages and mails - and the phone is usually upwards of %50 at the evening. I have to run it through ~4 hours navigation to reduce it to sub-20% towards the end of the day, and actually see no reason why a smartphone should hold any longer - it's routinely recharged every night. The main problem for smartphones, to me, is not surviving till the end of the day.
nzzane said:
It's too late to say this, but after getting a new battery/phone you should always drain it fully and then fully charge the battery so that the battery has a proper charge (it saves a lot of battery capacity and battery life)
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Thank you for sharing, but that advice is about as outdated and useless as changing your car's oil every 3000 miles. Batteries simply don't work that way anymore and some studies show that battery life is actually reduced when you perform full charge cycles instead of shorter recharges throughout the day.
Edit: looks like someone else best me to it :-/
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Jack_R1 said:
Good that it's too late, because it's incorrect. This suggestion dates back to the days of NiCd batteries which had "memory effect". Li-Ion batteries found in modern devices for at least the last several years and definitely since the beginning of Android don't have this effect, but have something else - when you drain the battery completely, you cause damage to the battery cells, and it can withstand only a few of these full-draining cycles before losing significant part of its charge capacity. This is why both laptops and phones have protective measures to turn off the phone completely before the battery reaches a dangerous drained state. And as the batteries go bad and their "low percentage" scale becomes unreliable (not able to sustain operation currents with low charge), these protective mechanisms can fire too late - which in turn can cause storage corruption to occur, if the power is lost gradually and not abruptly during operation.
To another poster that doesn't believe in faulty batteries - he better should. Batteries go bad with time and charge-discharge cycles, they're harmed by complete discharge, and can go bad in several other ways. However, I wouldn't expect a battery to start its life damaged - quality control of the manufacturer should prevent this.
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PuffDaddy_d said:
Thank you for sharing, but that advice is about as outdated and useless as changing your car's oil every 3000 miles. Batteries simply don't work that way anymore and some studies show that battery life is actually reduced when you perform full charge cycles instead of shorter recharges throughout the day.
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Actually sorry to break it to you, but you are wrong, Li-ION batteries do have a memory effect, since about 2013, researchers have found that they do have memory effect.
nzzane said:
Actually sorry to break it to you, but you are wrong, Li-ION batteries do have a memory effect, since about 2013, researchers have found that they do have memory effect.
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Well, thanks for showing me something new. However, this is a very different effect from NiCD. While in NiCD this effect would prevent the battery from taking a full charge when repeatedly not discharged fully, in the research you've showed there are 2 very important points:
1. What matters is not the discharge, but rather a charge. Charging not fully is a way to trigger this effect. On the other hand, discharging partially (like in NiCD) doesn't trigger it. This point makes the info, while indeed interesting by itself, irrelevant to the current discussion, and keeps your previous suggestion wrong and bad for the battery.
2. If kept charging a bit longer - the battery would still charge fully, though it would take a different amount of time from the expected. For night time charging, when the phone is connected to the charger for several hours more than it's needed to actually regain the charge, I'd guess that most of the time it does the job of filling the battery properly even after an incomplete charging cycle.
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After reading it again - actually there is a third point that makes your suggestion even much worse than I thought it is:
This memory effect that you've pointed to is triggered by having an incomplete charge followed by a complete discharge. That means, incomplete charge with incomplete discharge don't cause it - a complete discharge is required. And when you receive a new phone, the battery isn't fully charged - so if someone goes by your suggestion:
nzzane said:
...after getting a new battery/phone you should always drain it fully and then fully charge the battery...
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He would actually be triggering the memory effect you've linked to, on its bad side!
And just for reference, here is a recent article from 2015 that is far less technical, but does a great job of explaining battery behavior in practical terms that average people can understand:
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/expert-advice-on-how-to-avoid-destroying-your-phones-battery/

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