Is anyone aware of what is this new charging standard Samsung is using for allowing 4 hours of battery in 10 mins charge?
It's definitely faster than Qualcomm's QuickCharge 2.0 but I'm not able to find any details on the specific name or tech details and I'm certain it's not a regular charger. I'm hoping to buy a few spares of these types of chargers so if anyone can provide details on this that would be great!
UPDATE: Answer confirmed! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=59794206&postcount=9
honestly it's really nothing more than higher flow of electricity flowing through the USB adapter at 2A @ 9 volts ~ and a combination of higher capacity battery charge rate internally to handle the extra voltage.
i can probably get 4 hours on my S4 which also has a rapid charger, with only a 10-15 min charge... also, it's not really 4 hrs they mean of actual usage.. they probably mean that the device will have extra standby (light usage) for up to 4 hours with only 10 minutes charge., not that you will get 4 hours screen time in only 10 min charge time.
edit: it'll be a USB charger like this, which IIRC is similar to the one in the note 4 that supports the same quick charge:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OM40K1Y/
tft said:
honestly it's really nothing more than higher flow of electricity flowing through the USB adapter at 2A @ 9 volts ~ and a combination of higher capacity battery charge rate internally to handle the extra voltage.
i can probably get 4 hours on my S4 which also has a rapid charger, with only a 10-15 min charge... also, it's not really 4 hrs they mean of actual usage.. they probably mean that the device will have extra standby (light usage) for up to 4 hours with only 10 minutes charge., not that you will get 4 hours screen time in only 10 min charge time.
edit: it'll be a USB charger like this, which IIRC is similar to the one in the note 4 that supports the same quick charge:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OM40K1Y/
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Hmm...if higher amps and voltage is it then I'm curious to know exactly what those specs are. 2A @ 9 volts is that confirmed? If that's the case then just a higher amp QuickCharge 2.0 charger should be enough I'm guessing since we know it supports 9 volts along with the standard 5 volts as well.
And of course I know that "up to 4 hours usage" is to be taken with the best case scenario as usual (standby time) but nevertheless they did claim multiple times very cleary that they have the fastest charging solution on the market (counting QuickCharge 2.0 which has been out for a while so no way they can't be accounting for that I hope).
I'm reading here about this charger:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EP-TA20JWEUSTA
This Samsung charger has an output of 2 Amp to give your phone power at a much faster rate than your typical 1 Amp or 700mAh charger.
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Pretty standard stuff so far, there are plenty of 2 Amp chargers out there already.
Additionally, it comes packed with Adaptive Fast Charging technology that will charge Samsung devices with that feature built-in at an even faster rate!
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Do we know if that "Adaptive Fast Charging technology" is just extra voltages (like 9 and 12 volts) just like Qualcomm's basically? Or is it truly unique to Samsung devices that other devices can't take advantage of?
According to this looks like that's right. It's just an additional 9 volts (missing the third 12 volts like other Qualcomm QuickCharge 2.0 chargers).
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Adaptive-Charging-EP-TA20JWE-Universal/dp/B00PIZ5JB2/
Output/Sortie:
9.0V--1.67 A or 5.0V--2.0A
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So if we got this right then as long as we have any QuickCharge 2.0 charger it should work the same way with Samsung's AFC technology.
(assuming there's no security chip preventing otherwise - Samsung has done similar things in the past)
yes, they should technically be compatible with each other. you''ll also be able to use the S6 charger on say another device that is only rated at 5V, that's basically what adaptive means,. 5 or 9V. or whatever else the charger is rated for.
Is it that you need this smart & security fast-charge cable ?
http://goo.gl/z3lv3w
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Is it that you need this smart & security fast-charge cable ?
http://goo.gl/z3lv3w
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I tested a generic QUALCOMM 2.0 charger with an Samsug s 6 and worked with no warnings and provided message that 'fast charger' was being used
Samsung's own website does mention something about Quick Charge 2.0, which means that they're probably using Qcomm power management ICs.
Looks like the stock Galaxy S6 Edge AFC adapter is just 5v and 9v like all QC 2.0 chargers are. That's good to know that any QC 2.0 charger should work as a great spare as well. :good:
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A 2600mAh lithium battery (@3.8v) should be 9.88Wh.
This charger can charge at [email protected] == 10 Watts, or [email protected] == 15 Watts.
Charging at maximum wattage for the Samsung charger would be charging at about 1.5C. Battery experts used to recommend not charging faster than 1C (at least as far as the wealth of information on the Battery University site goes), but I guess they've made advancements in the longevity of lithium these days.
Assuming the quick charge specs listed are measuring the part of the curve that can charge at maximum wattage, 15 Watts for 10 minutes is 2.5 Watts / 3.8v == 658mAh, or about 1/4 of the battery capacity.
The "100% in an hour" (I've seen that in press releases, but couldn't find that figure on Samsung's web site) is exactly 1C over all, but since lithium batteries are charged on a curve it will likely be charging at this 15 Watts for only part of its time on the charger and then drop down even below 1C for the last part until it is 100%. It would be interesting to see if it can get a full 50% in 20 minutes or if it can only do full charge for about 25% of the capacity in the best case scenario part of the curve. Also, over what range of initial SoC is the 25% still valid? It's doubtful it can charge that fast if it starts at 75% because the biggest cutbacks in charging tend to be on the "full" end of the scale. I believe that charging circuits will tend to also "take things slowly" when starting near 0%, but 10-35% should be doable, possibly 25-50%. Now if only I had an hour with nothing to do but stare at a phone's battery percentage and record figures...
flarbear said:
A 2600mAh lithium battery (@3.8v) should be 9.88Wh.
This charger can charge at [email protected] == 10 Watts, or [email protected] == 15 Watts.
Charging at maximum wattage for the Samsung charger would be charging at about 1.5C. Battery experts used to recommend not charging faster than 1C (at least as far as the wealth of information on the Battery University site goes), but I guess they've made advancements in the longevity of lithium these days.
Assuming the quick charge specs listed are measuring the part of the curve that can charge at maximum wattage, 15 Watts for 10 minutes is 2.5 Watts / 3.8v == 658mAh, or about 1/4 of the battery capacity.
The "100% in an hour" (I've seen that in press releases, but couldn't find that figure on Samsung's web site) is exactly 1C over all, but since lithium batteries are charged on a curve it will likely be charging at this 15 Watts for only part of its time on the charger and then drop down even below 1C for the last part until it is 100%. It would be interesting to see if it can get a full 50% in 20 minutes or if it can only do full charge for about 25% of the capacity in the best case scenario part of the curve. Also, over what range of initial SoC is the 25% still valid? It's doubtful it can charge that fast if it starts at 75% because the biggest cutbacks in charging tend to be on the "full" end of the scale. I believe that charging circuits will tend to also "take things slowly" when starting near 0%, but 10-35% should be doable, possibly 25-50%. Now if only I had an hour with nothing to do but stare at a phone's battery percentage and record figures...
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So basically this car charger http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D82O68Y/ should charge my s6 edge as fast as possibile right??
And there's no need to buy a "qualcomm 2.0 quick charge" car charger because it would just" adapt" to the power requirement of the s6, correct?
flarbear said:
A 2600mAh lithium battery (@3.8v) should be 9.88Wh.
This charger can charge at [email protected] == 10 Watts, or [email protected] == 15 Watts.
Charging at maximum wattage for the Samsung charger would be charging at about 1.5C. Battery experts used to recommend not charging faster than 1C (at least as far as the wealth of information on the Battery University site goes), but I guess they've made advancements in the longevity of lithium these days.
Assuming the quick charge specs listed are measuring the part of the curve that can charge at maximum wattage, 15 Watts for 10 minutes is 2.5 Watts / 3.8v == 658mAh, or about 1/4 of the battery capacity.
The "100% in an hour" (I've seen that in press releases, but couldn't find that figure on Samsung's web site) is exactly 1C over all, but since lithium batteries are charged on a curve it will likely be charging at this 15 Watts for only part of its time on the charger and then drop down even below 1C for the last part until it is 100%. It would be interesting to see if it can get a full 50% in 20 minutes or if it can only do full charge for about 25% of the capacity in the best case scenario part of the curve. Also, over what range of initial SoC is the 25% still valid? It's doubtful it can charge that fast if it starts at 75% because the biggest cutbacks in charging tend to be on the "full" end of the scale. I believe that charging circuits will tend to also "take things slowly" when starting near 0%, but 10-35% should be doable, possibly 25-50%. Now if only I had an hour with nothing to do but stare at a phone's battery percentage and record figures...
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the 1C rule no longer applies. it's been years since that was the general rule. i run alot of different batteries for my hobbies and i charge some of them upwards of 3 - 4C.
imo, quick charge, fast charge, or whatever they want to call it, is just mostly marketing. the battery do charge slightly faster, but not much faster than at 5v @ 2A. my S4 can go from 5% to 50% in about 30 minutes, yet it's not "quick charge" just the 5v @ 2A.
in my opinion, i would much rather charge without using quick charge on an S6 because for that 5-10min faster charge it might offer, it'll just put unnecessary wear on the battery. considering that the s6 has no removable battery and if you plan to keep your device long-term (say upwards of 2 years) then id avoid using quick charge all together, including wireless charging which creates even more battery wear (more heat).
i do believe charge speed is slightly less important than charging capacity, so i don't even plan to always charge my s6 to 100%. li-ion battery will last longer if they are kept under 4.10v. might gain an extra 200 cycles by not maxing out the battery all the time.
if the battery were easy to swap, i wouldn't care, but i plan to have the phone for at least 2 years so i want to retain max life from the internal battery, hence why i dont care much for quick charge. getting to 50% battery 10 mins quicker is minor to me so ill be sticking to normal 5V charger.
riki66 said:
So basically this car charger http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D82O68Y/ should charge my s6 edge as fast as possibile right??
And there's no need to buy a "qualcomm 2.0 quick charge" car charger because it would just" adapt" to the power requirement of the s6, correct?
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I don't know enough details about how Quick Charge works to be able to answer this. The device looks like it always supplies 5v, but up to 4.8A to yield 24 watts. It also doesn't distinguish if it is actually a 12w+12w charger or if either side can draw the full 24 watts. Does the S6 fast charge off of 5v, or does it require the 9v output to do its magic? The Amazon listing does list the S6 and S6 Edge in its description so "maybe". If it simply supplied 5v and the S6 decided to only draw 2A from a 5v charger then you may not get as fast of a charge (10 watt vs 15 watt) compared to a charger that claimed Quick Charge 2.0 compatibility and might supply 9v.
Do you guys know if there are apps that prevent to charge up to 100%?
Lets say where you can set a max of 90%.
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Do you guys know if there are apps that prevent to charge up to 100%?
Lets say where you can set a max of 90%.
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Tasker can notify you when it reaches 90%, maybe. No app can stop the phone from charging, though.
jangofei said:
Is it that you need this smart & security fast-charge cable ?
http://goo.gl/z3lv3w
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You need a charger that has - Qualcomm® Quick Charge 2.0 Technology
not one that says - PowerIQ Technology
Hope that helps
Something is Fishy
I've tested the S6 Edge with Multiple Chargers (my lady has the S6 Edge too). When I use my Samsung Charger at 20% Battery it says 3hrs 10min to full. When I use the charger that came with my LG G2, it says 1hr 30min to full. Seems like Samsung went cheap. I tried her charger too, different outlets, even at a different house. Fast Charger my butt
Samsung and Intel are using the Qualcomm tech with some slight modifications which can be done without paying royalties leaving the only truly different technology to Oppo. The spec requires an embedded controller on the SOC and the associated circuitry which allows the device (phone in this case) to control the charge coming from the charger. The quick charge tech works the fastest with (mostly) depleted batteries which can take more juice more quickly and is less effective with battery topping where the battery cant accept charge as quickly without overheating.
I've read a couple people saying they had non functioning chargers out of the box, I would try someones quick charger known to work ctrlaltdelete and see if that isn't the case with you. You should get much faster charging, The Oppo charger will not work with our devices but all the QC 2.0 chargers I have tried do work at the same speed as the supplied charger on my Edge. It's impossible for a functioning quick charge charger to need 3 hrs to charge this phone. The math simply wont allow it.
Just wanted to ask a quick question , which one charges faster the adaptive fast charging or quick charge 2.0 ?
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Has anyone used a hand-cranked charger? I have a Brookstone hand-cranked flashlight/radio that can charge phones. I'm considering getting an adapter to charge my Tilt but I don't know if it can handle it. It says it can output up to 600mA. I've heard bad reports of other chargers with dumb phones but nothing of this one. It seems unlikely this can keep a power-hungry Kaiser charged. It also outputs 6 volts. I hope this doesn't fry the phone.
Edit: I meant 600mA
Any estimates on how long it would take to reach full battery charge?
A couple of hours?
Excellent for weight loss, especially if you use 3G...
The standard Kaiser or Hermes wall charger is rated at 1A (1000mA), and a powered USB port outputs 500mA. As some people have problems charging from USB - particularly after completely discharging their batteries, then I'd think that 500mA is the minimum power required to charge.
If you install one of those programs which displays battery power you'll probably find that the power draw is much higher than 6mA (even in standby) so all you'll do with the hand cranked charger is slightly reduce the rate at which the battery is discharging.
Looking at a 1350mAh battery, this would take a minimum of 9 days and 8 hours to charge the battery from flat if it isn't being used - great workout but hardly worth it
I got a cheapo one from some gareg... AA branded thing for a fiver, flash light thingy to... five mins of winding gave a one percent increase in battery, but then if your really stuck it could be a good thing... only cost a fiver too!
Just got a griffin powerjolt micro, comes with an ipod cable so you'll have to use your own, but it charges the streak up a treat
Think it was 12 pounds from amazon.
It's designed for iPads, which need 2 amps, it's rated for 2.1 amps. Charged from 30 to 60% in 20 mins while using gps.
Hope that's useful .
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For battery life is better to charge with low amps and for a long time. I would prefer ,not to use a charger with more than 1A
i got myself te belkin 1A charger. Should work good I guess.
As mentioned in the other thread, both these two work just fine :
https://www.dealextreme.com/p/car-p...cable-charger-set-for-apple-ipad-12-24v-45227
https://www.dealextreme.com/p/car-cigarette-powered-1000ma-usb-adapter-charger-black-dc-12v-40470
$6 or $2 including free shipping worldwide. You'll need the Streak's USB cable to connect it.
Anbuch said:
For battery life is better to charge with low amps and for a long time. I would prefer ,not to use a charger with more than 1A
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The car charger does not force power into the phone, the phone draws what it needs. Using a power supply with a higher Amp rating means less strain on the charger not more power than is needed going into the phone.
Sorry for my bad English, I guess you do not understand what I mean.
You're right that the car charger with more amps does not force more power into the phone (I do not say that),but if you use a charger with more amps , charging time is less. The battery prefers long time charging with less charging amps. In fact using less charging amps ,the battery allowed to load more power (a little bit ). You can try it by using a USB port of yours computer to charge the battery.
Anbuch said:
Sorry for my bad English, I guess you do not understand what I mean.
You're right that the car charger with more amps does not force more power into the phone (I do not say that),but if you use a charger with more amps , charging time is less. The battery prefers long time charging with less charging amps. In fact using less charging amps ,the battery allowed to load more power (a little bit ). You can try it by using a USB port of yours computer to charge the battery.
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Maybe it's just me, but what you are saying is exactly the same thing.
If the charger isn't forcing more power into the phone, then the charging time will not change. If the battery is receiving less current then what it was designed, such as a low powered USB port, then it would take longer then normal to fully charge. But once the charger puts out the amount of current that the battery will normally draw, the battery will only charge at that rate. Increasing the current beyond that amount will not speed up the charging time or push more current to the battery.
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If the battery is receiving less current then what it was designed, such as a low powered USB port, then it would take longer then normal to fully charge. But once the charger puts out the amount of current that the battery will normally draw, the battery will only charge at that rate. Increasing the current beyond that amount will not speed up the charging time or push more current to the battery.
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Anbuch is trying to say that the battery will last longer in the first scenario - the longer, slower charge from the low powered USB port.
Quicker battery charging does degrade the cells in less time - if you were to always use a 500mA charger, you would get more life from the battery than if you were to always use the stock 1000mA charger.
You can pick up a replacement battery from eBay for $10, so none of this really matters - when your battery wears out in 18 months, just buy a new one.
Nomgle ,thanks, this is exactly what I wanted to say!
I just gave an example with a USB port. In fact a USB port and a stock 1000mA charger are save enough for the battery of a Streak (1530mA). I just wanted to say : Do not use 2100 mA charger
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.... it's rated for 2.1 amps. Charged from 30 to 60% in 20 mins while using gps....
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This will "kill" the battery very soon
Some battery reading:
Understanding lithium-ion
Charging lithium-ion batteries
How to prolong lithium-based batteries
From the last page linked:
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Generally speaking, batteries live longer if treated in a gentle manner. High charge voltages, excessive charge rate and extreme load conditions will have a negative effect and shorten the battery life. This also applies to high current rate lithium-ion batteries.
Not only is it better to charge lithium-ion battery at a slower charge rate, high discharge rates also contribute the extra wear and tear.[/FONT]
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I use a black&decker converter and it has a usb port already built into it and that works pretty good for me.
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So now that samsung decided to remove the battery, it would only make sense to have a portable battery pack handy.
A friend of mine let me borrow his RAVPower 15,000mAh power pack and i have been testing it on my S4 to see how well it works, so far i am impressed with it, but i've only charged the phone twice, trying to see how many charges i can get out of it. will update this thread and post a better review of it later when i get better impressions of it. i also have an brand new Anker power pack i will be testing later on. primarily interested in charge speed rather than charge cycles. will update this post a bit later with more information and power packs.
link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MQSMEEE/
I found this article linked in another thread over at Android Central http://www.phonearena.com/news/Doub...honeSuits-snap-on-Flex-Pocket-Charger_id66907 and this is a nice pocketable charger that doesn't require you to have a cable on hand to charge.
Here is PhoneSuits page http://www.phonesuit.com/phonesuit-...-smartphones?gclid=CJ35qJvdk8QCFRMatAod43cAAg and its listed at $49.95.
that's quite a bit of money for only 2600mAh, guess it's small so that is a plus, but if you want something that can charge several phones with one charge i would go with something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NWEB49W/
it even doubles up as an actual wall charger.
smaller than a pack of cigarettes and a bit cheaper than that 2600mAh power pack.
I have this one. It's 10,000 mah, which is pretty good for the price.
http://www.amazon.com/TechMatte®-10...UTF8&qid=1426265278&sr=1-3&keywords=powerbank
It takes about two hours to charge, and then to charge my dead s5 takes about 1 hr and 45 minutes.
I have a Samsung one with 10000mAh and it is pretty good. With a 2000-3000mAh you are not even going to charge the phone up once, so pretty much useless.
I have been using Anker 2nd gen Astro2 for a year now , looks good with plenty of juice , and as per manufacture specs it can push out 3 Amps , 3 Amps is useless on my S4 but it should be perfect for S6.
Looking for a powerbank that supports fast charging for the s6
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I have few round up here few days back
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6-edge/accessories/power-bank-capable-adaptive-fast-t3048671
Please mention the Phone you have &
How many times does the Power bank charge the phone when its fully drained
Thanks
EnIXmA said:
Looking for a powerbank that supports fast charging for the s6
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forget finding a "fast charge" on portable chargers. highly unlikely you will find one. maybe in the future when someone figures out and implement some kind of voltage step-up regulator as it's a limitation right now since to get fast charge to work you need 9 Volt output and current portable chargers can only output @ 5 volts. it's basically a limitation on the internal li-ion batteries, they can only output 4-5V.
your best bet is to get something like the Anker 16,000mAh for high capacity and pretty fast charging, it can output 5V at 2.1A, it will charge most phones (Galaxy S4, S5) in about 1 and 1/2 hours from about 8% battery left on the phone. you might only shave off only 15-20 minutes using a samsung wall fast charger, so it's really not a whole lot difference..
Anker 16,000mAh 2nd gen:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00N2T7U90/
it will charge an S4 or S5 roughly 5 times with a single charge.
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forget finding a "fast charge" on portable chargers. highly unlikely you will find one. maybe in the future when someone figures out and implement some kind of voltage step-up regulator as it's a limitation right now since to get fast charge to work you need 9 Volt output and current portable chargers can only output @ 5 volts. it's basically a limitation on the internal li-ion batteries, they can only output 4-5V.
your best bet is to get something like the Anker 16,000mAh for high capacity and pretty fast charging, it can output 5V at 2.1A, it will charge most phones (Galaxy S4, S5) in about 1 and 1/2 hours from about 8% battery left on the phone. you might only shave off only 15-20 minutes using a samsung wall fast charger, so it's really not a whole lot difference..
Anker 16,000mAh 2nd gen:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00N2T7U90/
it will charge an S4 or S5 roughly 5 times with a single charge.
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I have already got that power bank..thnx any ways
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I've a TP-link 10400MAH, it's very good
i got the mi powerbank 10400mAh, its charging my lg g3 quite fast (output rated 2A).
never looked how long exactly it takes, but i will do that when i get my edge.
it's using standard lithium cells from samsung/lg.
i think it's also possible to change them, have to investigate this.
So yesterday I bought a 2.0 charger off of amazon with the choe brand name. According to the ad it works with nearly every android phone, including the HTC one m8. For the past year I have been using a charger from my last phone which was a crappy flip phone and thought nothing of it, but I am wondering does this charger truly work?? According to app "Ampere" it is much slower. Also, I've read reports about phones heating up and that's what mine did last night, is that normal? How long should it take for me to full charge my HTC one m8?
It will heat up, that is normal. It'll use most of its 2.4A between 20 and 70% and then slow down. Your total charge time shouldn't take more than 1 hour, and make sure you're using the supplied cable.
Thanks for the response! So if it doesn't charge 1 to 100 in 1 hour than is something wrong? Also will a charger like this have any effect on how long my battery lasts? My last charger for whatever reason was for my last flip phone believe it or not, I never bought a new one.
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Thanks for the response! So if it doesn't charge 1 to 100 in 1 hour than is something wrong? Also will a charger like this have any effect on how long my battery lasts? My last charger for whatever reason was for my last flip phone believe it or not, I never bought a new one.
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no I wouldn't say that.
my 2.0 QC will get it done in about 1-2 hours compared to the 3-5 or so it took with stock charger.
0-100% will take more than an hour. I've timed mine a few times from 0-100%, not using the phone at all and in airplane mode waking it up every 5 minutes to check percentage, volts, and charge rate using Gsam batt monitor.
Comparing the two chargers (OEM HTC QC 2.0, and original HTC charger- which I believe is QC 1.0) the QC 2.0 is definitely faster. Even though there is nothing on the phone telling you it is using the higher wattage charging mode, it is. So, 0 to 100% using HTC's QC2, usually takes around 1:20 minutes if I remember right. As in the other post, it starts out rather slow to around 20%, then kicks in to high gear until around 80%, then slows back down all the way to 100% so as to not overcharge the battery and harm it. It really is amazing the speed that it charges at. It does get rather warm, which is normal, but shouldn't hurt the phone.
Now, completely draining and recharging these batteries frequently is not good for them and will decrease the useful life sooner. Keeping it somewhere around 80 % is ideal but realistically not practical and the manufacturers know that. That's why they build in overcharge circuitry protection so leaving the charger on all the time "shouldn't" harm the battery. Draining it down to zero and doing a full recharge cycle on it frequently WILL decrease the lifespan. The batterie's useful life is basically determined by a finite number of charge cycles.
There's tons of info on charging and batteries out there if you are looking for more reading too.
Anyone heard of the brand Auzen? It's popping up alot on aliexpress and around asian market. Not too much reviews yet on that brand.
don't play with quick chargers .I bloated my m8 batt once trying it .it charge at 2.4a .our device max is 1.5a.
If you insist using it then don't full charge with it n monitor closely .
That's impressive, I use a QC2.0 car charger, I use a variety of wall chargers that run from 1.0A to 2.3A at 5V.
So far, my battery is still very happy.
Sounds like you got a cheap knock off charger or your battery/charging circuitry was damaged/faulty and/or your ROM/firmware weren't proper, for that kind of damage to occur.
I don't think Ampere works. I once did a test (last month) and had 6 different USB cables and I wanted to see which was the best, every time I used one I got a different reading, from 200 up to 1600. Even using my Anker Quick Charge 2.0 I only got 400 so it stated.
I have been using Aukey QuickCharge 2.0 and gives pretty decent charge times.
I have a QUICK Changer 2.0. works great.. have some tips...
You know there is some colors on cable conectors ends you have to choose the right one..
- If the cable is not a quality one can result to slow charging.
Black ----- 1.0. most in stock phones
White------ 2.0. the right for fast charging...
The time on reaching 100% on battery,well Quickly charger 2.0 will reach 80% on your battery fast and it will change the next 20% slower...
There is some app in playstore can help can see the amperage live in mA..
Connect your charger to get the battery charging current or disconnect it and get the negative discharging current... and you can see your battery charging current mA is constantly changing because even on charging phone still using current (negative discharging current) and this is always changing.
On my case I see higher mA reading only under really low battery...
I have a problem with my m8 and aukey 2.0 quick charger....
After firmware update to 6.12.xxx.xxx mm , the app ampere tell me max 1600ma before update its tell 2000ma .. Its a bug or a feature of the new firmware base...??? I have cyanogenmod 13
Im using the same aukey 2.0 quick charger. Works perfect.
M8 is 1.5a max .if you use 2.0a logically you're overcharging it. Just wait for it to get bloat n replace the whole bat. worth it ?
Hi, i just wanted to say something. After many bad chargers i bought, i found the Nillkin chargers (2Amps)and Nillkin cables (2.1Amp) the best and best quality. I am always testing with good Usb voltage tester and it can charge up to 1.5 amps max on M8 and on LG G3 1.8 Amps. As long as the charger is 5.0V, amps can variate and it doesnt hurt your battery, it just charges slower or faster. In my case its charging 1% per minute on both phones. It doesn't matter if the cable is black, white, green... cables must be thick, around 18AWG that support high ampers which mean faster charging. thin cables are sh!#. And for car i also found the Scosche dual charger great for every device with Nillkin 30cm cables and Kenu airframe holder.
You can use 2.4A chargers on M8 without problem as it will only receive 1.5amps.
GL
I'm using Anker PowerPort 1+. It's very good and you can use for iPhone iPad & almost Android devices.
I bought it here: http://www.amazon.com/Anker-Charger-PowerPort-Samsung-Wireless/dp/B014F3D8FQ
henryrk said:
M8 is 1.5a max .if you use 2.0a logically you're overcharging it.
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That logic is incorrect. The phone will only draw as many amps as its rated for (1.5 amps) regardless of what the charger is rated to supply. Think of the charger amp rating as the "maximum it can supply" instead of "what it will always supply".
henryrk said:
M8 is 1.5a max .if you use 2.0a logically you're overcharging it. Just wait for it to get bloat n replace the whole bat. worth it ?
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Ampere shows max charge rate for me at 2000ma. Where do you get the idea it will overcharge?
So few days ago got the phone , but always charged it through USB port. Now finally tried turbo charger and it definitely isn't "turbo". I know most of those Turbo claims what I saw were just selling strategy , but I'm pretty sure I'm not even getting 1% - 1 minute. Latest Marshmallow OTA.
So , on a relatively new battery , how fast does your phones charge ? You can write with phone turned off and on..
Also looking at the charger it says for output :
Standard output :5V =1.6A
Turbo output :9v=1.6A
Turbo2 output :12v = 1.2A
This deosn't make any sense to me, while raising volts may solve some power losses through cable , amps are what charges your phone faster or slower , and 1.6A , isn't really a big deal not to mention 1.2A. Reading somewhere that quick charge 2,0 supports up to 3amps draw..
I have One Plus one and it's original charger is 2.1A (quick charge 1.0 ) , with custom kernel bumped charging rate all the way up and good cable I'm seeing about 2Amps of charging in real life , or little more than 1% per minute . I was expecting motorola to charge faster or at least even , even though they are 3100 vs 3900mAh batteries.. Not to mention I can easily mod OnePlus One and get same SOT and battery overall as motorola's, while on motorola I'm stuck with stupid locked bootloader . Original idea was to sell OnePlus One because of Motorola, but I don't know now anymore..
The volts and amps listed on an electrical device are typically its max or rated output, NOT what it "always" delivers. That being said, most power supplies will deliver their rated voltage most of the time, but the current is determined by the charged device (through it's effective resistance)... so as long as you run below the rated current, you'd be fine.
Secondly, from what I'm reading, the OPO doesn't have quick-charge technology (ref: https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/co...lcomm_quickcharge_20/?st=ix64k1gy&sh=6d7492c9 ) so I'm not sure what you're talking about there. Again, the charger may say 2.1A, but that doesn't mean it's actually delivering that much all the time. I have a relatively old Kindle Fire with a 2.1A charger, but I know it doesn't charge very fast even with that device.
If you want to talk about Volts and Amps, you need to use actual volt/amp meters to see what you're getting.. Note, there is an app for Android (called Ampere) that claims to report amp-rates, but it also has a caveat saying that the current should not be taken as completely accurate, for various reasons.
Lastly, note that QC doesn't actually run when you are at higher charge levels... I think it's above 80% or something? After that level, it returns to "standard charging" mode for this "top-off" phase of the battery charge cycle. So, if you're seeing slow charge rates there, it's to be expected.
The Turbo has a relatively massive battery. Mine takes...somewhere upwards of 3ish hours on turbo charging to replenish.
1 hour 15 minutes
that's what it takes to go from 0 to 100% using Turbo Charger 2.0
Thank you all for answering, this is exactly why I started this thread. Already see here some interesting results!
schwinn8 said:
The volts and amps listed on an electrical device are typically its max or rated output, NOT what it "always" delivers. That being said, most power supplies will deliver their rated voltage most of the time, but the current is determined by the charged device (through it's effective resistance)... so as long as you run below the rated current, you'd be fine.
Secondly, from what I'm reading, the OPO doesn't have quick-charge technology (ref: https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/co...lcomm_quickcharge_20/?st=ix64k1gy&sh=6d7492c9 ) so I'm not sure what you're talking about there. Again, the charger may say 2.1A, but that doesn't mean it's actually delivering that much all the time. I have a relatively old Kindle Fire with a 2.1A charger, but I know it doesn't charge very fast even with that device.
If you want to talk about Volts and Amps, you need to use actual volt/amp meters to see what you're getting.. Note, there is an app for Android (called Ampere) that claims to report amp-rates, but it also has a caveat saying that the current should not be taken as completely accurate, for various reasons.
Lastly, note that QC doesn't actually run when you are at higher charge levels... I think it's above 80% or something? After that level, it returns to "standard charging" mode for this "top-off" phase of the battery charge cycle. So, if you're seeing slow charge rates there, it's to be expected.
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Thanks! Actually, OnePlus ONE DOES have quick charge 1.0 which is 5v up to 2.1A. Snapdragon 801 supports quick charge 2.0 but OPO didn't implement it with phone. There are billions of topic on this at OPO forum and a lot of people done tests including myself. The problem with OPO is it's very sensitive on cable so it works best with OEM cable and it somehow recognizes it. There is app called OPO charging current so I monitored with it and synapse . Kernel setup hardware to be able to recive very max 2100mA no mather which cable. Stock ONEplus charger. Some cheap cables gave me from 300 - 600 mA max with screen on . I found at home some cable that looked cheap but said charge only, tried and it charged around 1600mA with screen on and around 1800 screen off. Later got Anker 21 AWG and results were even better , aroun 1800-1900mA screen on and close to maximum 2000mA screen off. Phone was charging 1% in less than a minute. Thought turbo can charge at same rate. After all , it's "boosted" lol.
I know it doesn't do quick charge after around 75% , I tried at 30%. Given all that , 1600mA which is maximum I see on the Motorola's charger is not something special if we disregard Voltage..
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The Turbo has a relatively massive battery. Mine takes...somewhere upwards of 3ish hours on turbo charging to replenish.
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1 hour 15 minutes
that's what it takes to go from 0 to 100% using Turbo Charger 2.0
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Again this is very interesting. Already here we see 2 totally different results with one being almost as double fast.. Sparksys , you are on stock charger and stock cable?
Because if you charge from 0-100 in 1h 15min, thats around 3.2Amps charging current , while our buddy Einsteindks here gets around 1.3Amps and max amp I see on "rola's charger is 1.6Amps. I'm confused now.
Also can somebody post picof stock droid turbo USB cable shipped in bundle? I think I don't have stock cable, it says right at the plug phone side "be hello". No other labels or anything..
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Thank you all for answering, this is exactly why I started this thread. Already see here some interesting results!
Thanks! Actually, OnePlus ONE DOES have quick charge 1.0 which is 5v up to 2.1A. Snapdragon 801 supports quick charge 2.0 but OPO didn't implement it with phone. There are billions of topic on this at OPO forum and a lot of people done tests including myself. The problem with OPO is it's very sensitive on cable so it works best with OEM cable and it somehow recognizes it. There is app called OPO charging current so I monitored with it and synapse . Kernel setup hardware to be able to recive very max 2100mA no mather which cable. Stock ONEplus charger. Some cheap cables gave me from 300 - 600 mA max with screen on . I found at home some cable that looked cheap but said charge only, tried and it charged around 1600mA with screen on and around 1800 screen off. Later got Anker 21 AWG and results were even better , aroun 1800-1900mA screen on and close to maximum 2000mA screen off. Phone was charging 1% in less than a minute. Thought turbo can charge at same rate. After all , it's "boosted" lol.
I know it doesn't do quick charge after around 75% , I tried at 30%. Given all that , 1600mA which is maximum I see on the Motorola's charger is not something special if we disregard Voltage..
Again this is very interesting. Already here we see 2 totally different results with one being almost as double fast.. Sparksys , you are on stock charger and stock cable?
Because if you charge from 0-100 in 1h 15min, thats around 3.2Amps charging current , while our buddy Einsteindks here gets around 1.3Amps and max amp I see on "rola's charger is 1.6Amps. I'm confused now.
Also can somebody post picof stock droid turbo USB cable shipped in bundle? I think I don't have stock cable, it says right at the plug phone side "be hello". No other labels or anything..
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I was guess-timating. Been a while since I've done the full recharge.
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I was guess-timating. Been a while since I've done the full recharge.
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According to your guess-timate and max rated power I see on the charger, that seems about right and realistic guess BUT there also isn't anything TURBO about it. I'ts the average charging speed of every device today (1.5A) which doesn't have any kind of quick charge option. Even quick charge 1.0 is faster with 2.1A at 5v . Thats why I opened this topic, I'm confused.
Only voltage is higher on turbo charger than let's say my OPO charger but amps are lower and voltage doesn't have that much of an impact on charging speed, amps do!
When I have my Turbo in my truck at night, and running about a dozen things at once, in addition to all the background stuff, NO 'regular' charger can keep up with the power demand, and the battery undergoes a insanely slow discharge. By itself, the battery lasts 3 or 4 hours, tops. With the turbocharger, the battery charges at a modest rate, maybe 10% per 30 minutes...while under high demand.
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When I have my Turbo in my truck at night, and running about a dozen things at once, in addition to all the background stuff, NO 'regular' charger can keep up with the power demand, and the battery undergoes a insanely slow discharge. By itself, the battery lasts 3 or 4 hours, tops. With the turbocharger, the battery charges at a modest rate, maybe 10% per 30 minutes...while under high demand.
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That seems ok.
I encourage others to post their charging times so we can compare!
Thanks
Since no other turbo users jumped in...
At the time of starting the topic I have disabled some Verizon's bloatware (completely stock, locked turbo). After reflashing completely stock FW , and with untouched software, droid really did charged turbo fast. More than 1% per minute and around 0-60% for 30min just as advertised for quick charge 2.0 . So if anyone was wondering, that should be benchmark.
On the other hand, phone is almost impossible to charge with any other type of "normal" charger..
My Turbo, running stock MM/root/Xposed with a large load of apps, will charge 20-30% per hour on a normal 1A charger, while lying on the desk with the screen off. It charges at a similar rate via Qi wireless charging. This is plenty for daily overnight charging. My usage habits are such that I usually have 20-40% battery left when I get home from work in the evening.
In a different usage case, when I play Ingress (a real battery eater, screen on + 3D animated graphics + GPS + data) the Qi charger in my car holds discharge to about 5-10% per hour.
I've never had a turbo charger to compare, but I've never found the normal charger or Qi charger to be significantly lacking.
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My Turbo, running stock MM/root/Xposed with a large load of apps, will charge 20-30% per hour on a normal 1A charger, while lying on the desk with the screen off. It charges at a similar rate via Qi wireless charging. This is plenty for daily overnight charging. My usage habits are such that I usually have 20-40% battery left when I get home from work in the evening.
In a different usage case, when I play Ingress (a real battery eater, screen on + 3D animated graphics + GPS + data) the Qi charger in my car holds discharge to about 5-10% per hour.
I've never had a turbo charger to compare, but I've never found the normal charger or Qi charger to be significantly lacking.
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Right, I've also used "normal" charger before. Now, I have all QuickCharge plug chargers -- but I still use Qi wireless charging every day, as does my wife.
I also plug in via USB port on my computer and it charges fine.
okay the way the turbo charging works is that it's like a tier system at very very low charge percentages it works the fastest and slows off after about 60 or 70 percent it just charges like a regular charger all the magic happens at the lower charges. another thing is that unless the cable you are using is total garbage it won't matter at all. it is all the phone and the ac adapter that do the work any variations in the cable will be negligible. I am monitoring my battery through the custom kernel (bhb27 and its app) and it says right now at 81% charge on a turbo charging that I am getting +1172.x mA if my battery was lower this value would be much much higher
lastly I recommend only using the turbo charger when you really need power quickly. if you are just plugging in your phone for the night it makes no sense and will actually be bad for your battery health. the faster it charges the more it heats up and heat is not good for the battery health when I plug my phone in at night I use a .5 amp charger and my phone says that it will need like 8 or 9 hours to charge (this may be exsessive but the quick chargers heat up my phone a lot I also use a 1 and 2 amp charger nearby