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Does ATT know im using a Tilt?

OK so i bought an used att tilt from someone and did not notify ATT about it. I purchased a media Net unlimited plan for 15.00 a month (not for pda smart phones) i did this from a att authorized retailer. The guy who added media net for me is a friend and he said he wont make any changes because att thinks i have a razr v3xx and this way i do not have to pay 29.99 or whatever it is for media net for pda's.
Today i signed into my ATT account and under my devices it said att tilt.
I did not make any changes so how did my device change?
Does Media Net report back to att what phone is connecting to the network?
is there anyway to stop ATT from knowing what phone I am using?
I am aware that what I am doing is most likely a breach of contract and do not mind that fact.
Thank You,
KP

AT&T will always know what phone you are using since IMEI numbers are unique to every device.
As for the rest of your questions, hit up the forum search for the answers. (Hint: clicking this link will do the hard part for you.

The answer is yes, they do know. There is no way for you to trick them. You can however call and tell them you want the media net unlimited, because you are the customer. I did this on my blackjack II for a year. They told me it wouldn't work but I am not retarded, it is the exact same service, but people who own 500 dollar phones can afford to pay more. This is also why ATT has a special "email" plan that costs 10 dollars a month, which is funny, because email uses the normal data to work, its not like your buying an email address from ATT. They screw you over and you just need to tell them how it is, "GIVE ME THE MEDIA NET PLAN !"

It's their network, you cannot hide from them.
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how does the mobile phone plan work in the us, for data here in the uk its on your account and you can use what ever phone you want.do they lock everything down to imei`s.

JimmyMcGee said:
It's their network, you cannot hide from them.
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haha nice but big brother's better half(xda-developers) will always prevail
so i tried to access cingulars wap service and it would not connect so i put my sim in my razr v3xx
went to my account on att.com
and changed my phone to razr v3xx
then signed on to media net using razr
then put sim back in tilt and started skyfire
and bam it works
thanks for the help

kp126 said:
haha nice but big brother's better half(xda-developers) will always prevail
so i tried to access cingulars wap service and it would not connect so i put my sim in my razr v3xx
went to my account on att.com
and changed my phone to razr v3xx
then signed on to media net using razr
then put sim back in tilt and started skyfire
and bam it works
thanks for the help
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That probably happened because you needed a SIM update and your jigging with the phone caused it to happen.
Also, AT&T always knows, sometimes in business it's cheaper to "ignore" a problem, than to pursue stopping it.

If you are using $15 Media Net service plan you may want to take a look at this thread which offers changes all your data connections to solely use media net.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411059
hey jimmy congrats on mod

redbandana said:
hey jimmy congrats on mod
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Thanks Man!

JimmyMcGee said:
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Very nice indeed my friend.

*update*
just signed onto my account right now and my phone device has been changed back to ATT Tilt...
so how often do they check IMEIs that are on the network or is there any way to stop your phone from broadcasting that info to their network?
if i call ATT and just tell them I am using a MotoRazr will it stick as a razr or as soon as i change my sim into my tilt it will change from razr to tilt because most other threads are reccomending to call them but no one has mentioned if it sticks or after a while your IMEI is recognized as another phone.

i think they finally stoppd with the false data plan promos.. i don't see them available anymore.. they probably pissed enough ppl off

Might I make a suggestion?
Quit trying to rip of your service provider. Soon the will fire you as a customer, then what will you do?

Not so with unlocked touch dual
I just bought an unlocked touch dual and my ATT account still shows the old Razr phone. Also, I did buy the pda plan as work is paying and I'm using exchange sync.
Is an unlocked non-att branded phone not showing up in their system?

@JimmyMcGee, the best member with a Physicist smoking a cigar avatar in the whole wide world!
Congrats, you made a Mod...have fun...
MOD EDIT: I will, Thank you
i'll be a...ha hah..

My understanding is that AT&T has a database with the IMEI #'s for all of the AT&T branded devices, and it checks your device everytime it connects. So the only way to get around it is to buy a 3rd party device (not AT&T branded). But if you do that, you run the risk of MMS not working correctly (showing up as a postage stamp sized image).

Yeah this crappy fact of the matter is that AT&T's mobile network is a private infrastructure. The government doesn't require that they let anyone on. Like they do with Landline infrastructure. So basically AT&T can do what the want, within reason.
AT&T allows unlocked or non-AT&T branded GSM phones on their network because, if the phone works, why not make money off of it?They just won't guarantee a thing. In fact they don't guarantee a thing to AT&T branded devices.
Is it fair to the consumer, maybe not. But that's how it is.

I've had some phones not show up wrong or not at all. I think all the newer handsets ID themselves.

If the phone was originally sold by AT&T (Locked) the the network knows what it is. However if the phone is unlocked (bought from manufacture) then AT&T has no idea what device you are using. It will just show up in the database as "Unknown GSM Device"

KD8DNS said:
If the phone was originally sold by AT&T (Locked) the the network knows what it is. However if the phone is unlocked (bought from manufacture) then AT&T has no idea what device you are using. It will just show up in the database as "Unknown GSM Device"
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Straight from the Horses mouth.

N7 3G No Longer Unlocked?

Currently the Google Play Store is listing the Nexus 7 3G with a AT&T Logo...
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Does this mean the N7 w/ 3G will be locked to AT&T, and not available as an Unlocked Device? I certainly hope not!

Okay, Scratched that... Contacted Google Device Support (Actually Got an Intelligent Person this time) and they informed that it will be unlocked, and AT&T is only listed to let buyers know AT&T Service can be used on the Device. (and he hinted at a possible AT&T Data Only plan for the N7)

UberSlackr said:
Okay, Scratched that... Contacted Google Device Support (Actually Got an Intelligent Person this time) and they informed that it will be unlocked, and AT&T is only listed to let buyers know AT&T Service can be used on the Device. (and he hinted at a possible AT&T Data Only plan for the N7)
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oh.. thanks for your information! i'm very scared when i saw AT&T logo and disappeared unlocked!

mirinae said:
oh.. thanks for your information! i'm very scared when i saw AT&T logo and disappeared unlocked!
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Scared me too...
but with my experience with Google Support is they are often wrong...

YOu can't even select it now. For me it takes me to a page where it says, "The page doesn't exist on this server" or something.

Remove the _att from the end of the link.

strangely enough the canadian version of those pages don't have that issue. In canada (and likely UK and so on too) it's still the old "unlocked" thing in the selection and it works like it used to with the american before the change.

It is available for sale yet? Neither _att or without it works with a purchase link .

The links are fixed now, but they're out of stock I think.

jdatb said:
The links are fixed now, but they're out of stock I think.
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They haven't started selling yet, so it's not really OOS. Also, I've seen them change the links twice now. It's still slightly broken (ie: if you click on AT&T then 3G again, it gives you an error message about not available in your country).
Any second now.....and it should go on sale......hopefully....
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In stock now in the usa!!!!

It looks like they already sold out, I managed to get in an order of the Nexus 7 w/ the ATT Sim Card, but the device said 'unlocked'. The strange thing is, if you're on the page where it gives the description of the Nexus 7 3G + ATT Sim Page, if you scroll down, you'll see a 3rd Card that lists "Nexus 7 + WIFI + HSPA" w/o the ATT Logo and if you click that one I see that it's "Not available in your country"...

UberSlackr said:
Okay, Scratched that... Contacted Google Device Support (Actually Got an Intelligent Person this time) and they informed that it will be unlocked, and AT&T is only listed to let buyers know AT&T Service can be used on the Device. (and he hinted at a possible AT&T Data Only plan for the N7)
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Confirmed. Just got a promo mail from Google
" Nexus 7 comes with an optional no-contract SIM card from AT&T so you can get started with mobile data service right out of the box."
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Sandheep said:
Confirmed. Just got a promo mail from Google
" Nexus 7 comes with an optional no-contract SIM card from AT&T so you can get started with mobile data service right out of the box."
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Did you notice that the link to the AT&T plans gives a 404?
Learn more about AT&T mobile data services
http://www.att.com/nexus7&utm_sourc...mpaign=N7_NotifyMe&pcampaignid=111312EMN7US03

Yeah, I think they are still updating the page. You'd think that with half a month of time to get the page ready they'd have it ready to go
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Isis

https://play.google.com/store/search?q=isis mobile wallet&c=apps&hl=en
Why doesn't this work with our phones?

Cause Isis blows! Once you get 4.4 you can use Google wallet tap to pay.
Moto X rocking 4.4

theraffman said:
Cause Isis blows! Once you get 4.4 you can use Google wallet tap to pay.
Moto X rocking 4.4
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not on verizon....

km8j said:
not on verizon....
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once root comes out you will be able to. you can probably get it to work on verizon by sideloading an app as well. i did it on my dads phone and it worked a while back when vzw wwas locking down google wallet.

From everything I have gathered so far... for AT&T customers
*) Your phone must be officially supported. They have to select some option in your account to turn the feature on.
*) You need a ISIS sim card regardless of whether or not your phone has a secure element.
*) The secure element is inside the ISIS sim card so your phone does not need one
*) ISIS only supports Chase and Amex cards. You can use serve.com (American Express) to virtualize existing credit cards though. I'm not sure how easy it is to switch cards like it is with Wallet.
*) Serve.com virtual cards can only be used at tap-to-pay terminals that support Amex. (apparently not all of them support it)
Don't ask what "feature" they have to enable. It doesn't make sense to me that something has to be flagged in your account but then again it's AT&T so who knows. The store rep I talked with said they did have NANO sims w/ ISIS but only had gotten ten or so total sim cards in. They are only swapping them out on phones that are officially supported and because the X is not supported, it wouldn't work even if you had the sim because the "feature" wasn't enabled on your account.
I really want to throw my middle finger up at the carriers for blocking wallet. To be honest though another side of me really wants to see how the app and everything else works with ISIS. Google Wallet, when it works without having to hack it, I believe is a better option but ISIS could be superior if it takes off. Not superior in performance but in offers and loyalty rewards. I'm sure that will come with a price. I don't know why but I trust Google with big data. I don't trust the carriers and whoever else is in the bed with ISIS with my purchasing data.
Come on Moto, give us 4.4 already!

km8j said:
not on verizon....
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Google has said the way they're doing it, it can't be blocked.
So, what's this mean for Wallet? In theory, every Android 4.4+ device should just work with Google Wallet as long as it has NFC. Being part of the core Android OS also means carriers and OEMs can't strip out the functionality, as it would be a violation of their CTS certification agreement with Google. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Verizon.
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From this article on Android Police/

That's awesome if it turns out to be true!!
icase81 said:
Google has said the way they're doing it, it can't be blocked.
From this article on Android Police/
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greyopaque said:
That's awesome if it turns out to be true!!
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Well, it works on the att moto x so I don't see why it won't work on Verizon
Moto X rocking 4.4

I am holding out for Wallet on my VZW Moto X (via KitKat), but I was hoping that ISIS would hold me over until then.
It appears that VZW doesn't want you using ISIS on one of the most popular phones of the year.
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Here is the page for supported phones.
https://www.paywithisis.com/get-started.html

Just installed Kit-Kat, and there's a tap and pay menu option in settings now!. I missed my Google Wallet so much after I left Sprint and my beloved EVO LTE. I can't wait to try it!
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Hmm, after reading 'learn more' from the menu item, I'm thinking Wallet should be showing up in a list in there, but its not. So now I"m not sure...
greyopaque said:
Just installed Kit-Kat, and there's a tap and pay menu option in settings now!. I missed my Google Wallet so much after I left Sprint and my beloved EVO LTE. I can't wait to try it!
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greyopaque said:
Just installed Kit-Kat, and there's a tap and pay menu option in settings now!. I missed my Google Wallet so much after I left Sprint and my beloved EVO LTE. I can't wait to try it!
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Hmm, after reading 'learn more' from the menu item, I'm thinking Wallet should be showing up in a list in there, but its not. So now I"m not sure...
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Install the wallet version from the Nexus 10. Tap to Pay didn't work on my Nexus 7 until I installed that version. Works great now.

I just saw that in another thread. Cool... I'm installing it now to see how it goes.
greyopaque said:
Just installed Kit-Kat, and there's a tap and pay menu option in settings now!. I missed my Google Wallet so much after I left Sprint and my beloved EVO LTE. I can't wait to try it!
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Hmm, after reading 'learn more' from the menu item, I'm thinking Wallet should be showing up in a list in there, but its not. So now I"m not sure...
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mandrsn1 said:
Install the wallet version from the Nexus 10. Tap to Pay didn't work on my Nexus 7 until I installed that version. Works great now.
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Thought I'd post the link here to get the correct APK for Google Wallet tap to pay to work.
http://phandroid.com/2013/11/14/nexus-7-google-wallet-apk

So to clarify, if you just download wallet from the play store, it installs and connects fine, but why can't I use it in tap to pay?
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km8j said:
So to clarify, if you just download wallet from the play store, it installs and connects fine, but why can't I use it in tap to pay?
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Verizon allows us to use the Google wallet app now, but has disabled the tap to pay feature. This renders it useless, so I just installed the apk from the other thread and it now allows me to use tap to pay.
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2534238
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jmcharles said:
Verizon allows us to use the Google wallet app now, but has disabled the tap to pay feature.
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No, they didn't disable it. The new version of Wallet hasn't made it to Google Play. The APK you side-loaded is the new version of Wallet.
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[Video] Verizon On my nexus 5

Took the sim out of my Verizon s4 and was determined to get this N5 up and running on big red.
I have full lte after a lot of tweaks that I probably shouldn't post right now do to what it could possibly do to a phone.
If you are a Dev and think you can do more with this let me know and I'll get you to where I'm at. I'm just a themer with basic dev knowledge. As you can see there is no signal to text or call. I've had bars a few times but that's it. As you see I'm on L. I had to crop one screen on phone because of upload size restrictions.
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Looks interesting so far. I can't recall whether this device supports VZW's frequencies. If not, calls may never work.
I'll assume you modified the APN for VZW. Did you try modifying the radio?
If you post what you did to get data working, other members may have some additional suggestions to get you moving again.

its been gotten to, the lte connecting. but it's the calling ability that cant be done. i dont remember what all really came about, but i do remember thst the calling ability is the real issue. the nexus 5 doesnt have the ability to make phonecalls via lte. if you search the forums here, maybe you can find the thread.

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its been gotten to, the lte connecting. but it's the calling ability that cant be done. i dont remember what all really came about, but i do remember thst the calling ability is the real issue. the nexus 5 doesnt have the ability to make phonecalls via lte. if you search the forums here, maybe you can find the thread.
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I'm no expert but I don't see why it can't. With some kind of modification to radio or whatever.

St3rdroids said:
I'm no expert but I don't see why it can't. With some kind of modification to radio or whatever.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47378482&postcount=18

simms22 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47378482&postcount=18
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Explains why I get signal and it goes away. I happen to have an active imei on Verizon I'll check it out.

geez, if you could get me to that point it be so sweet.

coolguy71261 said:
geez, if you could get me to that point it be so sweet.
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Calls won't work for two reasons 1) I don't think Verizon uses VoLTE yet, and 2) calls still use 1x, just like Sprint, and you have to have the MEID (IMEI minus last digit I believe) in Verizon's database. Technically it should work on Page Plus and I think I saw a thread here on how to flash it for PP. I'm kind of surprised Verizon LTE works as most of the bands for Verizon's LTE don't coincide with the N5 IIRC. I could be wrong about that though. Also it's probably like any other GSM carrier, once you activate the SIM card in a carrier based phone, you can stick it in another phone and it should just activate. The only reason you have to change IMEIs is for the EVDO/1x backwards compatibility.

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Calls won't work for two reasons 1) I don't think Verizon uses VoLTE yet, and 2) calls still use 1x, just like Sprint, and you have to have the MEID (IMEI minus last digit I believe) in Verizon's database. Technically it should work on Page Plus and I think I saw a thread here on how to flash it for PP. I'm kind of surprised Verizon LTE works as most of the bands for Verizon's LTE don't coincide with the N5 IIRC. I could be wrong about that though. Also it's probably like any other GSM carrier, once you activate the SIM card in a carrier based phone, you can stick it in another phone and it should just activate. The only reason you have to change IMEIs is for the EVDO/1x backwards compatibility.
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Volte should be working by q2015 everywhere

coolguy71261 said:
Volte should be working by q2015 everywhere
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Hmm, we'll see how it works then.

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Hmm, we'll see how it works then.
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i may return to big red, im currently testing out net 10

Posted a video of me getting data after a fresh wipe and install of L.

http://www.droid-life.com/2014/08/26/verizon-volte-hd-voice-launch/

I really need to remember to watch OP's video when I get home. This is very exciting. So to get data, you had to activate a Verizon device and swap SIMs, right? After that, the only thing not working is the CDMA voice? So in theory, if the above poser's link is correct (Verizon rolling out VoLTE soon) I could actually switch to them?
It's Verizon so I probably wouldn't do it permanently, but it would be cool to try for a month, if for nothing more than a proof of concept or neat trick. Hope Verizon does that soon.

This just won't work bro, not on CDMA.
I worked for Sprint and their system is the same.
The SIM card is strictly for LTE, everything else goes over the CDMA network, which requires server authentication.
Even when VoLTE will roll out, that authentication will remain in place.

People have got data in the past. Its voice that's the issue.
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he can get voice & sms on it, though not via the sim card number;
I replied to the video with -
"..though it won't be your Verizon mobile number;
you could try using ring.to / grooveIP for voice / sms via the lte connection..
I use that as a back up number on sprint, mostly for lte , wifi , evdo routed calls,
even gsm / hspa+ & wifi when sim swapped out of the country on my nexus 5.
after editing the echo settings, it should work wonders thru that Verizon lte connection.."

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People have got data in the past. Its voice that's the issue.
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just thought of something, real simple..
the cdma radio authentication is what's stopping the nexus 5 from being on Verizon,
but... **does the lte band need the same authentication**?
let's just say, on my nexus 5, with the new google voice hangouts / sprint number integration,
i go through the dialer into settings to toggle **lte only** which disables the cdma radio,
pop in a Verizon unlimited data sim, in an area with verizon's band 4..
over the top, voip service on lte..?
~shrugz shoulderz~

Love the phone, but hate all the issues with Verizon

I am seriously considering returning this bad boy. It sucks because it's a great device. But so many friends & family have newer iPhones so I can't answer their calls. Also no VoWifi is a killer for me. I'm so torn, because OP knocked it out of the park with this one.
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skinnytoo2 said:
I am seriously considering returning this bad boy. It sucks because it's a great device. But so many friends & family have newer iPhones so I can't answer their calls. Also no VoWifi is a killer for me. I'm so torn, because OP knocked it out of the park with this one.
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why cant u answer call feom iphone
my dauther have iphone xr an i have no problems answer her call

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why cant u answer call feom iphone
my dauther have iphone xr an i have no problems answer her call
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You haven't seen these reports? https://www.droid-life.com/2019/05/...s-7-pro-owners-seeing-dropped-calls-no-texts/

No issues wtih Verizon here!

Uhhh... Dual SIM Fi/Verizon here, no issues with calls or voicemail.
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Verizon has always been a pain in the ass if you just swap SIMs. Call them. Register it. :good:

Get a new carrier.

All the other carriers service are inferior in my area.
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You must call Verizon and give them the Imei. A standard Sim swap will not make this phone work for certain aspects on Verizon. When they do the Sim swap they turn off CDMA for your line which makes it actually work.

No SIM swap is needed for VZW. You just have to tell them you have a certified phone that needs to be set up as "CDMA-less". If you had a 6t on VZW, you already have that.
OnePlus is aware of the issues with HD calling set on the newer iPhones so it will be a software fix.
All that said, the 7 Pro is not officially certified by VZW as the 6T was.

The only annoying bug for me is the caller ID in the dialer showing restricted
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tanman21 said:
You must call Verizon and give them the Imei. A standard Sim swap will not make this phone work for certain aspects on Verizon. When they do the Sim swap they turn off CDMA for your line which makes it actually work.
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I call BS on this. I tried online and said my current sim that was in my S10+ was bad would not allow for a transfer. I swapped sim to 7 pro and no issues with calls/texts/data etc etc works flawlessly
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You can believe whatever you want I am just trying to help you. That’s exactly what it does for me the system is not designed for an online device swap to a CDMA-less device. They can definitely do it for you through chat as well. But hey if you want to keep having problems enjoy .

Only thing I had to do was have them enable CDMA-less back when I switched to the McLaren 6T from the Pixel 2 XL. Pulled that same SIM out of that phone and popped it in this and have only noticed the RESTRICTED caller ID thing today. No issues with texts or anything else.

Swapped my wife's SIM from HTC 10 straight into her 7Pro. Everything but incoming texts worked. Went online and ran through the "ad a new phone to existing line" tool and all works great on VZW; her backlog of texts came streaming in (wifi calling/texting aside)
Don't need to actually talk to anyone. All online for me.

Make sure you call Verizon and have them add CMDA-less Roam onto your line. You will not get proper service otherwise. I had a OnePlus 6t on verizon with zero issues. You might need to call more than one time to find a rep that knows what you are talking about. Just tell them there is a feature that needs to be added to your line and it is called CDMA-less Roam. Source: I used to work at Verizon

You don't even have to call, you can do it directly through the website. Registering the IMEI fixed all those problems and took about 2 minutes.

New update out there to download and install manually, works great I'm on Verizon and it fixed the iPhone incoming call issue!!
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-7-pro/help/verizon-to-verizon-incoming-calls-t3932394/page8

mdonnelly1127 said:
New update out there to download and install manually, works great I'm on Verizon and it fixed the iPhone incoming call issue!!
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-7-pro/help/verizon-to-verizon-incoming-calls-t3932394/page8
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Can confirm that this works perfectly. Only issue I have now with VZW is the no wifi calling. Came from a pixel 2xl, and this phone is night and day better. My data speeds are even much much faster now as well.
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[/ it appears that 9.5.8 fixes the caller ID issue on Verizon