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the last days I read very much about the successor of our beloved Note. I saw nearly the same like when Samsung showed the S3. Although very much got better inside, the important features, which also provided good advertisements were only software improvements like pop-up-play and smart-stay.
Now it's the same with the new Note. It has a very good hardware, although I think the Note1 is nearly is good as the new one with the perfect decision of software, but that's not the point. We got new features like air-view and pop-up-memo in a call. This features are not really neccessary but nice to have, I have now some questions.
1. I read that there came out a SDK to implement S Pen gestures into a ROM. For example into CM9 or CM10. Is that correct, and when could that features get implemented? I realized after changing back to CM10 from a TW Rom, that gestures are very helpful and comfortable, so in my opinion it's the most adorable feature.
2. Also I saw on a review of the Note2, that the phone wakes up without a screen lock when pulling out the stylus. This trigger can work in two different ways. At first the phone could have a small button inside to detect the stylus. Or via induction through the stylus. Does anyone know, if our phone has such a feature? It's not bad if not, because in my case, I'm right handed and hold the phone in my left and the power button is well placed to push it with my finger, but it would also be a nice feature.
Thanks for your answers in advance!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vha62lcGSgs
I mean seriously watching this video the buttons don't even vanish when you're in an app. I mean seriously how did Google think this was a good idea? Means you just hit them all the time or you have to be really careful where you touch and they don't change to which way you hold the phone.
How hard is it to A. Use that massive bottom part of the Bezel with Hardware buttons or B. Have some kind of gesture to hide them? I don't care if there is some rooted app out there, it needs to be standard, I just don't get how Google have overlooked this. People keep making a case that software buttons are better because you can change them....... have they ever changed? They've been the same standard design since I started using Android and whocares if they change in the future? I'm using my GS2 and the buttons work fine, just because they look different doesn't mean they have less functionality.
this may come off as I'm defending the Nexus 4 mindlessly but I'm not a huge fan of touch screen gaming. The whole reason I got the Evo Shift instead of a higher end phone was for the keyboard so I could play my games the way I like. I actually just bought a PS3 controller for my phone but I have to wait until Sixaxis Controller updates for 4.2. Though of course it doesn't work with most app store games, but I don't really enjoy playing those anyways
Venekor said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vha62lcGSgs
I mean seriously watching this video the buttons don't even vanish when you're in an app. I mean seriously how did Google think this was a good idea? Means you just hit them all the time or you have to be really careful where you touch and they don't change to which way you hold the phone.
How hard is it to A. Use that massive bottom part of the Bezel with Hardware buttons or B. Have some kind of gesture to hide them? I don't care if there is some rooted app out there, it needs to be standard, I just don't get how Google have overlooked this. People keep making a case that software buttons are better because you can change them....... have they ever changed? They've been the same standard design since I started using Android and whocares if they change in the future? I'm using my GS2 and the buttons work fine, just because they look different doesn't mean they have less functionality.
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This is not a Google problem, this is an ap developer problem. They can design the game to function like you want but they choose not to. Blame them, not Google.
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The whole point is to create the "physical button feeling" yet have them flexible for different apps. I think its a great idea! Physical buttons are annoying and are locked into doing only one function. Getting rid of the navigation buttons is like telling apple to get rid of the app dock at the bottom of their phone..... that's the way it was designed for the majority of users. If you don't like it then find a way to change it....you can its Android.
Dude chill... the software buttons are just another method like capacitive touch buttons..just incorporated into the screen. jus look at the specs of the nexus 4 as it has a 4.5 inch screen... if u cant live with that and want a bigger screen then fine move on and get the one x+ or something that has 4.7 inch screen plus capacitive touch buttons.unless you want THEM to disappear in an app too...
If we are going to complain about button placement can we not start with developers persistence with placing menu buttons at the top of most apps! They either have long fingers or small phones. I found this annoying on my SGS1 and very annoying on my Note 2, for obvious reasons. IMO Boat Browser is one of the few browsers that have placed the menu and navigation buttons in a sensible place.
I'm actually a big fan of the software buttons. This is one of the reasons I changed from the OneX to the Nexus4.
There are so many more interface possibilities with the software buttons, and as mentioned earlier the software devs need to make their apps more aware of their presence.
I haven't had to used on screen buttons with my gnex for about 10 months now and same with my Nexus 7 since I got it. There's a way to remove the on screen buttons by modding the res-framework apk. It's as simple as finding the option and and changing it then recompiling the new apk and pushing it to your phone.
Not sure if it's still this simple since I haven't had to do it for a while now that there are a few roms with the option to remove the Nav buttons. I would try if I had the Nexus 4 but that might not be for an while now.
I'm sure this feature will be included in nexus 4 roms too just be patience. I'm the meantime you can check out LMT, its a nav button alternative that uses pie menu that disappears when not in use.
If done right, the on-screen buttons are actually great.
If there are no dedicated buttons. they could either make the screen bigger, or remove the bezel on the bottom of the device, making it significantly smaller.
Also, there needs to be an option to hide them manually whenever you want, whether the application supports hiding the buttons or not. I know that there are such features in CM10 and other custom ROMs, but this needs to be a default feature on any device with on-screen buttons.
I like the buttons and they are not visible when viewing full screen video. That to me is when I care most about the screen space.
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I love the buttons. Looks so much better than actual hardware buttons.
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A lot of us like the onscreen buttons. If you don't, get another phone. Most don't have them. Those of us that like onscreen buttons have like 2 options, you have 100000. If Google puts capacitive buttons on the next Nexus because of whiners like you, I'm gonna be really upset.
I would have preferred hard buttons and a full 4.7 screen. Similar to the One X. There are only 3 phones with on screen buttons. Most game devs are gone make thier games for the biggest market which is hard button phones.
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seamus5 said:
I'm actually a big fan of the software buttons. This is one of the reasons I changed from the OneX to the Nexus4.
There are so many more interface possibilities with the software buttons, and as mentioned earlier the software devs need to make their apps more aware of their presence.
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So am I. It makes navigating through the system easier and a lot smoother. Just like the multitasking icon, you don't have to press and hold like in the galaxy s phones for example. Also OP, the software keys disappear when you watch a vid, YouTube etc.... And you mentioned that they should use the bottom bezel, well that's where the notification light is.
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NardVa said:
There are only 3 phones with on screen buttons.
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Nope. There's lots. The two Nexus, all the new Motos, Sony have started using them (Xperia T), Asus Padfone uses them too.
I hate people like op. If you know that this device has on screen buttons - and you should know this by now because there was galaxy nexus with same buttons- why the fcuk did you buy it in the first place? The whole spec sheet is there, all the info about the phone is written down... I knew it has glass back I knew it has non removable battery or no SD card or friggin buttons. Don't complain if you know what you're buying
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MattSkeet said:
I hate people like op. If you know that this device has on screen buttons - and you should know this by now because there was galaxy nexus with same buttons- why the fcuk did you buy it in the first place? The whole spec sheet is there, all the info about the phone is written down... I knew it has glass back I knew it has non removable battery or no SD card or friggin buttons. Don't complain if you know what you're buying
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+1
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The worst thing about this phone is its ability to attract users like the OP who don't bother to look at what they are getting and then to come in here on XDA and create the most ridiculous threads. I hate that about this phone. Anyone know a fix?
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At first I thought it would bother me coming from a Gs2 Skyrocket but really it looks so much better. It does make it so much easier to navigate and if you don't like em we have all the best devs migrating to the N4 so I'm sure we will have many different setup options soon. I'm loving the stock right now though buttery smooth.
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I change my buttons all the time. Google may not, but I like my menu and search button. I much prefer on screen buttons.
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For those of you who have used both phones, I would like to know whether or not there is any difference in one handed usage between these phones?
This is how I define one handed usage: Use phone with one hand without shuffling or moving the phone in your hands and being able to reach all points on the display of the phone including the capacitive buttons below the display.
Thanks.
darkgoon3r96 said:
For those of you who have used both phones, I would like to know whether or not there is any difference in one handed usage between these phones?
This is how I define one handed usage: Use phone with one hand without shuffling or moving the phone in your hands and being able to reach all points on the display of the phone including the capacitive buttons below the display.
Thanks.
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I tried the HTC One today, it is easier to use with one hand than the S4...
This is just in case someone has the same question as I did.
darkgoon3r96 said:
For those of you who have used both phones, I would like to know whether or not there is any difference in one handed usage between these phones?
This is how I define one handed usage: Use phone with one hand without shuffling or moving the phone in your hands and being able to reach all points on the display of the phone including the capacitive buttons below the display.
Thanks.
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Go to a local carrier store and try the phones out for yourself. They usually have them out on display. I think that will help you find out which is better for one-hands use. First world problems...lol
Ktan188 said:
Go to a local carrier store and try the phones out for yourself. They usually have them out on display. I think that will help you find out which is better for one-hands use. First world problems...lol
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Exactly! Hah
htc one is easier to hold in the hand due to the 4.7in screen. however i still feel anything past 4.5in is a stretch for my hand anyway.
S3 and HTC One one handed use
I have used my brothers S3 and that has bigger dimensions then the S4. I can only assume the S4 is easier to use then the S3 then. I will assume they are the same for the sake of this post.
Reaching the task bar is probably the same;
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/129790-image/Samsung-Galaxy-S4-vs-HTC-One-01.jpg
Consider where the phone will sit in your hand - the bottom part of the htc bezel is a bit bigger, so it is quite close. Launchers like apex launchers have gestures where a downward motion anywhere on the screen will bring down the taskbar.
The power button is right at the top of the HTC One.and to unlock it you need to flick your thumb from the bottom of the screen upwards. These 2 things are IMPOSSIBLE to do with one hand without shuffling.
ALSO, Sense does not let you get rid of the lock screen
Fix's - looking around here apparently some kernals allow you to use the volume key or Home key to wake the screen.
I'm going to try an app that 'wakes' your phone dependent on it's sensors.
I have a rooted note 4 with firekatv5,what do I need to get knock on on my note? I wanna be able to unlock the phone with the screen off.
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I have a rooted note 4 with firekatv5,what do I need to get knock on on my note? I wanna be able to unlock the phone with the screen off.
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This is a feature not available on the note 4 sadly. Coming from lg g3 you could understand my struggle the first two weeks lmao. I do not think there have been any implementation for knock on while the screen is off but there's surely some derivatives while it is still on with 3rd party launcher and the perspective apps...as well as on modded roms with status bar knock off (haha)
That sucks, that's the one thing I missed the most from the g3 as well. So there's no hope?
i think there is a kernel that has s2w
I guess you would have to appeal to kernel Devs for that.
So far, they did not deem it necessary to adapt the available patch for it, from nexus 5.
Whether they tried and could not, or had some unintended crap, or just couldn't be bothered? We don't know reasons behind it.
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I also miss knock on from the G3 but at least you can do knock off with Nova and screen off. I just hit the home button to turn on the phone.
I never had a LG, but I came from HTC One m7. And there was a lot of custom kernels that had double tap.
with nova you can do knock off the exact same as the G3. use the double tap anywhere on the screen with the turn off app. It's the same as on the G3. no knock on however
I really just want the knock code with the screen off
Well. It seems, you can't have it, till the kernel lords take pity on you.
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Is there anyway to enable double tap to wake ?
Nope, touch sensor below the lcd panel has to support it on a hardware level. But then again, why? Double tap to wake is among the most overhyped functions drains battery and wakes your phone up in yer pocket, you have the power button and or fingerprint reader to tap and don't even have to tap two times . On the other hand I'd trade the ir blaster to an nfc, ir blaster makes the phone look/sound a bit childish imho.
I don't understand why xiaomi don't give us this extremely simple feature....I use it so much, so waiting for custom kernels
bixirulo said:
I don't understand why xiaomi don't give us this extremely simple feature....I use it so much, so waiting for custom kernels
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Because LCD screens are not made for it
Benjamin_L said:
Because LCD screens are not made for it
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Are you sure? on Mi 6X (same hardware) DT2W is possible on stock firmware, and also on Mi A1 on stock kernel is not possible but it is on custom kernel.
BTW, I hope would be possible in the future.
Regards.
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Are you sure? on Mi 6X (same hardware) DT2W is possible on stock firmware, and also on Mi A1 on stock kernel is not possible but it is on custom kernel.
BTW, I hope would be possible in the future.
Regards.
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Depends a lot on the hardware. Usually it's bad in terms of power usage on LCDs
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Depends a lot on the hardware. Usually it's bad in terms of power usage on LCDs
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I have mi 6x with working double tap flashed to mi a2 and double tap doesnt work so its not hardware issue
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I have mi 6x with working double tap flashed to mi a2 and double tap doesnt work so its not hardware issue
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What are you trying to say? I said it depends a lot on the hardware if its power hungry or not and that on LC based displays it usually is more power hungry than on AMOLEDs for example.
It doesn't depend on whether its LCD or AMOLED because the screen remains off in both cases. And no, it doesn't drain power(very minuscule, almost negligible drain). I have used it on almost all my phones and I love it, strange why Xiaomi wouldn't provide such basic functionality.
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It doesn't depend on whether its LCD or AMOLED because the screen remains off in both cases. And no, it doesn't drain power(very minuscule, almost negligible drain). I have used it on almost all my phones and I love it, strange why Xiaomi wouldn't provide such basic functionality.
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Screen can't be off as it waits for your touch. As I said it depends a lot on the used technology, see here https://www.reddit.com/r/essential/comments/8we29y/comment/e1v0tsa
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Screen can't be off as it waits for your touch. As I said it depends a lot on the used technology, see here https://www.reddit.com/r/essential/comments/8we29y/comment/e1v0tsa
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What you mean by screen is the touch panel, and yes that has to be active for d2tw, but screen and touch panel are different layers. So screen remains turned off which saves you from the battery drain and touch panel consumes very less power in terms of how we use our phones.
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Nope, touch sensor below the lcd panel has to support it on a hardware level. But then again, why? Double tap to wake is among the most overhyped functions drains battery and wakes your phone up in yer pocket, you have the power button and or fingerprint reader to tap and don't even have to tap two times . On the other hand I'd trade the ir blaster to an nfc, ir blaster makes the phone look/sound a bit childish imho.
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Just beacause you don't know how to appreciate it's usefulness doesn't mean it's useless. And how is ir blaster childish? Never seen a tv remote control? Fan remote control? Aircon remote control? Would love to see both double tap to wake and nfc on the phone.
Chillax dood, long life is rare, the tv and ac should have their own remote imho. It's not a phone's job to control those. If you check the models that usually include the ir blaster you'll see the childish part. And when you're on a budget (as a phone manufacturer) nfc should have priority over the ir blaster. But yeah that's just me.
Anyway this is a no go phone. Poor battery life, no nfc. nokia 7 plus seems to be better.
ebayerm said:
Anyway this is a no go phone. Poor battery life, no nfc. nokia 7 plus seems to be better.
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enjoy your locked boatloader and no LED
ebayerm said:
Anyway this is a no go phone. Poor battery life, no nfc. nokia 7 plus seems to be better.
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Umm..Nokia 7 Plus is around 70$ costlier, how is that even an comparison..
bartoloandre98 said:
enjoy your locked boatloader and no LED
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i'm sure you know that a locked bootloader is more secure.
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pratyush2173 said:
Umm..Nokia 7 Plus is around 70$ costlier, how is that even an comparison..
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Are the they the exact same thing? No right? So you are paying more for things like a bigger battery, nfc. They are both android one phones and are definitely comparable.
I mean Xaiomi do not offer the feature on battery life concerns, even cheap ugly phones as Asus zenfone 2 has this feature, which besides being power hungry because phones in pocket tends to wake up spontaneously with body movement, using the fingerprint sensor for this is more clever, enforcing it is a wise decision from Xiaomi
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I mean Xaiomi do not offer the feature on battery life concerns, even cheap ugly phones as Asus zenfone 2 has this feature, which besides being power hungry because phones in pocket tends to wake up spontaneously with body movement, using the fingerprint sensor for this is more clever, enforcing it is a wise decision from Xiaomi
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We all know that isn't true. Please stop making things up.
We'll need a kernel mod to make it work. I love this feature.. hopefully an experienced dev would help us out in the future.
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AcostaJA said:
I mean Xaiomi do not offer the feature on battery life concerns, even cheap ugly phones as Asus zenfone 2 has this feature, which besides being power hungry because phones in pocket tends to wake up spontaneously with body movement, using the fingerprint sensor for this is more clever, enforcing it is a wise decision from Xiaomi
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It's not a big hit on battery life. Its similar to the always-listening feature used by google where you say "ok google" to turn the device on. It doesn't need the entire chip to be running. I don't know the exact hardware details. Pocket wake-ups are blocked by the proximity sensor.