I have been on the fence about this phone for sometime. Now the pro version is out and has the same camera sensor in it I am interested to see how both the mi note and mi note pro do for photos. I really don't want to get the LG G4 or the S6 and just need to hear some views about the camera quality especially indoor shots and moving objects. Will appreciate any posts. Thanks.
Here are a couple of photos I took yesterday at work.
Took them to show a buddy what I can do with a new Hot Air station we bought.
https://goo.gl/photos/cRuShrL2tQX4Hqmg7
https://goo.gl/photos/iWRqecbpDWXZc8Ni9
https://goo.gl/photos/9QyiAkRup1E9yDaq6
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Here are a couple of photos I took yesterday at work.
Took them to show a buddy what I can do with a new Hot Air station we bought.
https://goo.gl/photos/cRuShrL2tQX4Hqmg7
https://goo.gl/photos/iWRqecbpDWXZc8Ni9
https://goo.gl/photos/9QyiAkRup1E9yDaq6
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Is it me or does focus look a little off ? Thank you for uploading though. Been wanting to see if camera was any good.
I will take some pictures today and upload them for you.
It is but its because the photo is taken like 5" from the work. I was maxing out the focus. This phone has a manual focus though which is absolutely amazing. It's the first phone I have had to have manual focus mode and most of the time, especially taking super close up pictures like this its really nice.
May I ask what is the intention or purpose of this tread?
There are many devices using the IMX214 sensor that is used in the Mi Note Pro already. Test pictures are available for all of them.
It's quite sad that my Mi Note Pro uses the outdated Sony IMX214 sensor that was already used in my one year old Mi4. They should have used the IMX240 which is used in the Samsung Galaxy Note 4. The direct comparison differences are huge (I have all 3 mentioned devices)
Specs:
Name | Pixels | Sensor size | Cell size
IMX230 | 21MP | 7.487 mm | 1.12 μm × 1.12 μm | LeTV Max
IMX240 | 16MP | 6.828 mm | 1.20 μm × 1.20 μm | Galaxy Note 4, Galaxy S6
IMX214 | 13MP | 5.867 mm | 1.12 μm × 1.12 μm | Oppo Find 7, Xiaomi Mi4, Nexus 6, Huawei Ascend P7
Some samples here: http://en.miui.com/thread-122045-1-1.html
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May I ask what is the intention or purpose of this tread?
There are many devices using the IMX214 sensor that is used in the Mi Note Pro already. Test pictures are available for all of them.
It's quite sad that my Mi Note Pro uses the outdated Sony IMX214 sensor that was already used in my one year old Mi4. They should have used the IMX240 which is used in the Samsung Galaxy Note 4. The direct comparison differences are huge (I have all 3 mentioned devices)
Specs:
Name|Pixels|Sensor size|Cell size
IMX230|21MP|7.487 mm|1.12 μm × 1.12 μm|LeTV Max
IMX240|16MP|6.828 mm|1.20 μm × 1.20 μm|Galaxy Note 4, Galaxy S6
IMX214|13MP|5.867 mm|1.12 μm × 1.12 μm|Oppo Find 7, Xiaomi Mi4, Nexus 6, Huawei Ascend P7
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You may ask but I thought the title was clear.
Several phones use the same IMX214 Sensor including several I have owned including Hauwei Ascend Mate 7 and One Plus One others I have not owned also use this sensor. Some companies add another lense and all the companies use different algorithms when processing the photo. I am interested to see if Xiaomi have done a better job with the IMX214 than the other phones I have owned as I have not been impressed but from what I have seen Xiaomi are some how doing a better Job, Also this thread gives users the opportunity to get the best out of their phone camera and compare shots and hopefully improve photography skills through the community that we all love here at xda but if you think it's a pointless thread please report it to a moderator.
I would appreciate it if you uploaded some samples using your Xiaomi Mi Note or if you don't have one like me enjoy the photos others post.
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You may ask but I thought the title was clear.
Several phones use the same IMX214 Sensor including several I have owned including Hauwei Ascend Mate 7 and One Plus One others I have not owned also use this sensor. Some companies add another lense and all the companies use different algorithms when processing the photo. I am interested to see if Xiaomi have done a better job with the IMX214 than the other phones I have owned as I have not been impressed but from what I have seen Xiaomi are some how doing a better Job, Also this thread gives users the opportunity to get the best out of their phone camera and compare shots and hopefully improve photography skills through the community that we all love here at xda but if you think it's a pointless thread please report it to a moderator.
I would appreciate it if you uploaded some samples using your Xiaomi Mi Note or if you don't have one like me enjoy the photos others post.
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Sure it's not pointless. I just wonder why every single phone needs a "Post your camera Pictures" thread. I think that's pointless for every device forum.
But feel free, I mean this is an open community and to some it may be helpful to see photos shot by this phone.
I rely on http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1 that shoots camera test pictures with repeatable and standardized test conditions.
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The Sony IMX214 seems ok but not superb. Especially if I compare the OIS when recording [email protected] of my Note 4 with the [email protected] on the Mi Note Pro. OIS seems absent here...
I would be happy if Xiaomi would include finger print, the latest sony CMOS and IP67 case for their next iteration.
Thanks for starting this thread. I will be posting my photos soon. If you've seen my other photos , then I'm hoping to create some stunning shots.
Note - having a Sony sensor guarantees nothing. Processor, ISP and software can make it amazing or just average, even rubbish. So a more powerful processor with the same hardware lens and software can be better than an older processor too.
gavinfabl said:
Thanks for starting this thread. I will be posting my photos soon. If you've seen my other photos , then I'm hoping to create some stunning shots.
Note - having a Sony sensor guarantees nothing. Processor, ISP and software can make it amazing or just average, even rubbish. So a more powerful processor with the same hardware lens and software can be better than an older processor too.
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Looking forward to the snaps. Created this thread as no sign of a mi note one but should be the same results.
Okay here a taster. More coming Thursday. Unedited.
Various shots taken with the #Xiaomi #MiNotePro smartphone by Gavin Fabiani-Laymond, on Flickr
gavinfabl said:
Okay here a taster. More coming Thursday. Unedited.
Various shots taken with the #Xiaomi #MiNotePro smartphone by Gavin Fabiani-Laymond, on Flickr
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Impressive how you got that close to the fly without it moving !! Could you post some indoor photos with no daylight and only light bulbs please. Wondering what the processing does , Thanks.
Cheers
Went in to manual mode, fixed the focus. And asked the fly to stay still
So far I have uploaded 19 photos here - http://gavinsgadgets.com/2015/07/02/xiaomi-mi-note-pro-camera-shots/
Some other shots below are embedded.
Various shots taken with the #Xiaomi #MiNotePro smartphone by Gavin Fabiani-Laymond, on Flickr
Happy cows and ponies on Dartmoor #Xiaomi #MiNotePro by Gavin Fabiani-Laymond, on Flickr
this is a very good pictures
Anybody getting RAW photos on the Mi Note Pro? Some people get it on the "regular" Mi Note which has the same captor but nobody managed on the Mi Note Pro AFAIK
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i will get right to it after seeeing the full review on mobile-review i was really disappointed with the low light ability of the cam even with OIS
heres the comparison
S5 Vs N4
http://mobile-review.com/review/image/samsung/galaxy-note4/photo/low/note4-25.jpg
http://mobile-review.com/review/image/samsung/galaxy-note4/photo/sgs5/low/sgs5-26.jpg
http://mobile-review.com/review/image/samsung/galaxy-note4/photo/low/note4-27.jpg
http://mobile-review.com/review/image/samsung/galaxy-note4/photo/sgs5/low/sgs5-27.jpg
http://mobile-review.com/review/image/samsung/galaxy-note4/photo/low/note4-20.jpg
http://mobile-review.com/review/image/samsung/galaxy-note4/photo/sgs5/low/sgs5-20.jpg
N4 vs Z3 , Lumia 930 , S5
lumia 930
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wow lumia really kick it ass
Who cares about nokia phones you can only take good pictures with it. There's no ecosystem, they are worthless.
Samsungs always had a terrible time with lowlight shots.
Note 3 is abysmal as Samsung always has that over processed cartoon like gel appearance.
Was hoping for much better but the Z3 woops it.
xManMythLegend said:
Samsungs always had a terrible time with lowlight shots.
Note 3 is abysmal as Samsung always has that over processed cartoon like gel appearance.
Was hoping for much better but the Z3 woops it.
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I really don't get why samsung don't work on improving the low-light performance; it's been their cameras' achilles heel for like forever.
There is another website that compares the low light performance of N4 against Z3, iphone 6 plus and butterfly 2 (from htc).
http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/102/4914690/1/rv/samsung-galaxy-note-4-review/
It is actually a blind comparison of the 4 phones (named A, B, C and D), but the general consensus is that A =butterfly 2, B=iphone6p, C=N4, D=Z3.
In my opinion, N4 outperforms iphone6p in many cases, and is at least as good as Z3, while Z3 absolutely tanks in the last competition.
That's why I have much more faith in the low light performance of N4 and looking forward to it
alexcarterkarsus said:
There is another website that compares the low light performance of N4 against Z3, iphone 6 plus and butterfly 2 (from htc).
http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/102/4914690/1/rv/samsung-galaxy-note-4-review/
It is actually a blind comparison of the 4 phones (named A, B, C and D), but the general consensus is that A =butterfly 2, B=iphone6p, C=N4, D=Z3.
In my opinion, N4 outperforms iphone6p in many cases, and is at least as good as Z3, while Z3 absolutely tanks in the last competition.
That's why I have much more faith in the low light performance of N4 and looking forward to it
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sorry but imo N4 look the worst after Butterfly 2 , IP6 plus looks it has good color reproduction under low light with good details , N4 has horrible over processing with denoise filter and ****ty contrast ( like all samsung phones = ****ty low light performance ) , Z3 looks ok better than N4 and even it doesn't have OIS
Nokia still the king of low light photography
Toss3 said:
I really don't get why samsung don't work on improving the low-light performance; it's been their cameras' achilles heel for like forever.
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yep its sucks , cams on Samsung phones works great with good light but as soon u go inside with medium lighting the images will become really bad and with low light the images turns horrible specially with night mode on u will get unusable bad image with no details at all
White balance is off on all but the lumia. Wonder if WB settings were different between them.
Those images are hardly conclusive. The mobile-review is a rushed review of a pre-production unit with preliminary software. Most importantly, the Note 4 camera isn't less capable. It has OIS and a Sony IMX240 sensor. It is just the software that needs tweaking. This is their first OIS camera so we shouldn't be judging it until the final retail product is out. They may be too conservative with the OIS and instead are using too high ISO and too quick shutter, the opposite of what LG did on its LG G2. And you shouldn't be directly linking to images on another site. It is bad manners. Link the whole review instead.
The E-price shootout is quite encouraging if the C phone is in fact the Note 4. Definitely beats B (supposedly iPhone 6+) in most of the shots and D in the flash shot.
All the images in eprice. Com is inconsistent, each one looks different and not taken from same spot
Another low-light camera comparison, between N4 and ip5s
http://www.ppomppu.co.kr/zboard/view.php?id=phone&no=2803207
got to say, I got even more confidence with N4 now
Based on those reviews it still seems to be an improvement over my note 3. Hopefully it get better from here. But Note still is the better device out of all 4 IMO. So I'm content with the result.
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alexcarterkarsus said:
Another low-light camera comparison, between N4 and ip5s
http://www.ppomppu.co.kr/zboard/view.php?id=phone&no=2803207
got to say, I got even more confidence with N4 now
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Man, I sure hope those are legit. I've seen many differing photo comparisons and some just make the N4 look horrendous. There was an youtube comparison between a Z3 and an N4 that made the N4 look worse than my N2. Not sure what to believe ATM.
I believe history. Samsungs sensors and features are not the problem. Its the insanely terrible processing that turns medium to lowlight pics into smeared noisy nonsense. For many lowlight is a majority of where they take pics (most social events are dimly lit) Nothing Ive read or seen leads me to believe they even care to fix it.
k1ng617 said:
Man, I sure hope those are legit. I've seen many differing photo comparisons and some just make the N4 look horrendous. There was an youtube comparison between a Z3 and an N4 that made the N4 look worse than my N2. Not sure what to believe ATM.
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dont go by that video,i do watched that................that seems to be from some other device rather than note 4 or there might be issues bcos most of the n4 pics he compared seems to be blurred.......................have seen much better n4 pics from mobilereview's russian review and i even checked 100% crops of full res images in comp with ip6+ as provided by them and note 4 has better details and its the clear winner.
k1ng617 said:
Man, I sure hope those are legit. I've seen many differing photo comparisons and some just make the N4 look horrendous. There was an youtube comparison between a Z3 and an N4 that made the N4 look worse than my N2. Not sure what to believe ATM.
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Almost N4 low light shots haven't got ISO info. This mean they are software processing, different to iPhone 5S. When taking low light shot, you have to wait some seconds for intergrated photo software tweak it, like Note 3.
iPhone and Z2/Z3 normally push higher ISO to get better low light shot. You will spend less time for each shot.
k1ng617 said:
Man, I sure hope those are legit. I've seen many differing photo comparisons and some just make the N4 look horrendous. There was an youtube comparison between a Z3 and an N4 that made the N4 look worse than my N2. Not sure what to believe ATM.
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That "comparison" is obviously fake! Note 4 pics on that video look worst than S4 or S5.
And who the hell is releasing camera (photo) comparison on YT? Without the jpg files? I call that comparison BS.
This one looks real and how Note 4 pics SHOULD look, i just hope to se Note 4 vs. iPhone 6 or 6+ soon.
alexcarterkarsus said:
Another low-light camera comparison, between N4 and ip5s
http://www.ppomppu.co.kr/zboard/view.php?id=phone&no=2803207
got to say, I got even more confidence with N4 now
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Note 4 looks really good. Hope it's true.
version with sony sensor
xperia z3
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/165843-image/Sony-Xperia-Z3.jpg
galaxy note 4
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/165790-image/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4.jpg
iphone 6
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/165842-image/Apple-iPhone-6.jpg
xperia z3 (red clouds, blue asphalt)
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/165835-image/Sony-Xperia-Z3.jpg
galaxy note 4 (blue asphalt)
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/165784-image/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4.jpg
iphone 6 (bit yelowness)
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/165834-image/Apple-iPhone-6.jpg
xperia z3 (cold colors, no yellow)
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/165839-image/Sony-Xperia-Z3.jpg
galaxy note 4 (yellowness)
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/165788-image/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4.jpg
iphone 6 (ideal)
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/165838-image/Apple-iPhone-6.jpg
xperia z3 (cold colors, bad DR)
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/165853-image/Sony-Xperia-Z3.jpg
galaxy note 4 (Tree and tile quite a bit blueness and soil bit rosiness, good DR)
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/165802-image/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4.jpg
iphone 6 (ideal colors, very good DR)
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/165852-image/Apple-iPhone-6.jpg
xperia z3 (all cold)
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/165805-image/Sony-Xperia-Z3.jpg
galaxy note 4 (blue lamppost, bit yellowish)
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/165804-image/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4.jpg
iphone 6 (good)
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/165856-image/Apple-iPhone-6.jpg
version with samsung sensor
http://hi-tech.mail.ru/review/Apple_iPhone_6_Plus_vs_Samsung_GALAXY_Note_4.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r732fu9TJE
in samsung sensor cold and rosiness colors, blue instead gray or white, rosines instead brown etc., no yellow color, oversaturation)
Wait... there's two variants of the Note 4 with different sensors?
How do I find out which one I have?
sonyfan12 said:
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you're not familiar with the practical part.. samsung sensor currently not in Note4 and possibly will not
It's the same Sony sensor afaik. There is no version with the "Samsung sensor".
Note 4 is better, with generally clearer, less noisy photos and better colors.
Pako7 said:
you're not familiar with the practical part.. samsung sensor currently not in Note4 and possibly will not
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Only samsung sensors make oversaturated colors
Also phonearena and other sites write that there isocell sensor
also g3 photos
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55938009&postcount=6
sonyfan12 said:
Only samsung sensors make oversaturated colors
Also phonearena and other sites write that there isocell sensor
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i look opensource, applets, library Note4, and service info at photo from device and see that used Sony sensor. And I do the same that come up there "phonearena and other sites"
sonyfan12 said:
Only samsung sensors make oversaturated colors
Also phonearena and other sites write that there isocell sensor
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those reviewers doesn't clarify it,they randomly saying it as the same sensor as in S5 with OIS--thats not true...................for N4 16:9 sensors are outsourced from sony as specified by samsung to implement isocell concept in them.............................
Pako7 said:
i look opensource, applets, library Note4, and service info at photo from device and see that used Sony sensor. And I do the same that come up there "phonearena and other sites"
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Don't know. I answered. Two facts against one.
Also you wrote this
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"I looked Chinese firmware N9106WZNU1ANIG (unit on Snap 805) and I want to say that in Snap apparently can occur Samsung S5K2P2 and Sony IMX240 sensors. Check who is interesting."
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kannanX10 said:
for N4 16:9 sensors are outsourced from sony as specified by samsung to implement isocell concept in them.............................
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lol
sonyfan12 said:
Don't know. I answered. Two facts against one.
Also you wrote this.."I looked Chinese firmware N9106WZNU1ANIG (unit on Snap 805) and I want to say that in Snap apparently can occur Samsung S5K2P2 and Sony IMX240 sensors. Check who is interesting."
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yes.. but this files for S5K2P2 have only on N9106W_device from all I've ever seen firmware Note4. And not the fact that when in this device will be used this sensor. And if you're so good orientation on 4pda - look for all my posts in which I talked about Sony_sensor and honor.
I'm have already mentioned and XDA and 4PDA how both photos from the device to determine which sensor is worth it. Or use my prog PUMa.
Goodluck
Look at the car, only isocell sensor can make this oversaturation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9r732fu9TJE#t=37
sonyfan12 said:
Look at the car, only isocell sensor can make this oversaturetion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9r732fu9TJE#t=37
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Sony also is not bad do it. Let's you wait on Chipworks radiographs camera_module with several varieties of Note4 devices - everything will be clear to you.
I cannot believe no site has the specs of the sensor yet... Anyone able to confirm the sensor and its specs from their device?
https://translate.google.com/transl.../news/201410/a8tsZojQNe4kAfwi.html&edit-text=
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https://translate.google.com/transl.../news/201410/a8tsZojQNe4kAfwi.html&edit-text=
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again?? he is deeply mistaken and I'm tired already explain why .. for example here honour - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55749031&postcount=44
Finally, a real camera evaluation. GSMArena's posted their review of the Note 4 ( http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_4-review-1147.php ). They and Anandtech both due ridged objective testing which they subject all the devices they test to equally. So the results can be compared across devices. I personally put little value in sites that basically offer their opinion which, so far, all that's been posted represent. There are some pro and semi-pro photographers on XDA whose opinions I value but most people here posting pics of their dog and critiquing it aren't really reliable references. And people owning each brand of smartphone swear their brand's camera(s) are the best. And let's face it, if you search the Internet hard enough you can find substantiation for just about any point you're trying to make. That's why objective testing is so important - you can't fight facts and controlled examples.
Here are some excerpts from GSMArena's testing of the S-805 version of the Note 4's camera...
Focusing has been improved this year with the inclusion of phase detection pixels on the sensor. It's the same technology that premiered on the Samsung Galaxy S5 but it's even faster this time around. The LG G3 and the Apple iPhone 6 and 6 Plus offer a similar hybrid auto focus systems combining the traditional contrast detect auto focus with phase detect.
The Samsung Galaxy Note 4 takes excellent pictures. The higher megapixel count is noticeable and we welcome the wider aspect of the images as both allow a bigger, better photo. Detail is superb, especially in the center of the photo but still doesn't degrade too much towards the far edges.
Images came out tack sharp across the frame and focusing was spot on. We noticed that the Galaxy Note 4 was very fast to lock on and even surpassed the Samsung Galaxy S5 on every occasion.
Colors aren't as punchy as those of the Galaxy S5 but are still vibrant. The white balance was spot on, finding a great middle ground between cold and warm. Scenes are well exposed and we like the dynamic range from the 16MP camera - the shadow and highlight areas of the image are well exposed.
There is some noise visible in the shadows and in solid colors (such as in the sky) but it's kept reasonably under control.
The autofocus when capturing close up (macro) images fares extremely well. The Samsung Galaxy Note 4 can get very close to its subject (around 6cm) and capture detailed images. There is also a reasonable separation from the object and the background leading to a nice blurred effect (bokeh).
HDR samples aim to expose the entire frame better by capturing a series of shots at different exposures and matching them for the final result. We like the HDR effect on the Galaxy Note 4 - it gets a lot of detail back into the shadows but also improves upon the highlights
Overall, we can say that the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 carries one of the most capable cameras you can find on a smartphone. The quality is very high, detail is aplenty and things are always in focus and always sharp. The large resolution is welcome and the 16:9 makes much more sense than 4:3 (or any other ratio for that matter) on a 16:9 device.Versus Note 3
Looking at the samples in good light it's clear the Galaxy Note 4 has the upper hand. It manages to squeeze a little bit more detail compared to its predecessor. However the Galaxy Note 3 doesn't lag too far behind. Truth be told, there is more noise in the Galaxy Note 3 image, especially in the sky. The noise in the Galaxy Note 4 image is better controlled and finer.
In scenes with more fine detail the 16MP snapper of the Galaxy Note 4 is clearly superior. The textures on the wall of the building below indicate just that. Not only that, but it clearly has a better dynamic range, as the highlights on the left are not blown as on the right, while keeping nearly the same exposure of the shadows.Versus SGS5
When it comes to low light we pit the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 against the Samsung Galaxy S5. Both have 16MP ISOCELL cameras with identical f/2.2 apertures so the amount of light hitting the sensor should be about the same. The Samsung Galaxy Note 4 has the added bonus of optical image stabilization, which should allow it to snap photos at lower shutter speeds than the S5.
The images below are shot at ISO 500 (automatic ISO) and with a shutter speed of 1/10s. As you can see the Samsung Galaxy S5 has a blurrier image while the Galaxy Note 4 keeps things a little more sharp at the same shutter speed. All four images were captured handheld.
Here's GSMArena's six device camera shoot out test. In order of performance:
Lumia 1020
SGS5
LG G3
Oppo Find 7)
Xperia Z2 [Z3 has the same camera]
iP5s
They left out the HTC M8 because its 4MP camera doomed it from the beginning.
http://www.gsmarena.com/camera_shootout-review-1104p8.php
everyone keeps saying the N4 is ISOCELL, but i thought samsung still hasn't implemented OIS into their ISOCELL tech, and that this is a Sony sensor? why hasn't there been any conclusive evidence to show what sensor it is? i hated the GS5 ISOCELL a lot, but the N4 seems much more promising.
jayochs said:
everyone keeps saying the N4 is ISOCELL, but i thought samsung still hasn't implemented OIS into their ISOCELL tech, and that this is a Sony sensor? why hasn't there been any conclusive evidence to show what sensor it is? i hated the GS5 ISOCELL a lot, but the N4 seems much more promising.
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In my opinion, GSMArena saying the below is pretty conclusive. As a recognized publication they have access to Samsung's PR cadre, internal tech resources, and documentation that the public doesn't. They could be wrong but until someone more credible than they are says otherwise I'm going with what they've said. What's inconclusive is all the random screen caps, editorial in Asian languages translated in to pigeon English, and a bunch of Internet reader's posting here and positioning themselves as Samsung insiders and expert photographers. When it comes to low light we pit the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 against the Samsung Galaxy S5. Both have 16MP ISOCELL cameras with identical f/2.2 apertures so the amount of light hitting the sensor should be about the same. The Samsung Galaxy Note 4 has the added bonus of optical image stabilization, which should allow it to snap photos at lower shutter speeds than the S5.
Here's two more sources (although I think GSMArena's the most credible)...
Speaking about image quality, the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 utilizes ISOCELL sensor technology that significantly improved image quality by using barriers between adjacent pixels. This reduces crosstalk by around 30%. Each pixel can now hold 30% more electrons, The higher Full Well Capacity also reduces charge leakage to neighbor pixels, because it the charge reaches to its max limit, it can cause leaking that can lead to blown highlight areas in the image. It’s true that as the pixel pitch (microns) is larger, the electrons that can be stored per pixel is higher. This is why we usually see cameras with larger sensors, ones that have larger pixels have better signal-to-noise ratio and also a higher dynamic range.
http://www.cameradebate.com/2014/iphone-6-plus-camera-vs-samsung-galaxy-note-4-camera/The new Galaxy Note 4 camera is a 16-megapixel design with Samsung’s ISOCELL technology to give better low-light shots, along with auto focus and new this year, Smart Optical Image Stabilization (OIS).
http://www.androidheadlines.com/2014/10/samsung-galaxy-note-4s-4k-video-impressive-new-standard.html
Color accuracy seems to be a problem as well as white balance in low light shots. For instance, compare the JUMBO text in the low-light photos between the iPhone 6+ and Note 4 from the gsmarena review.
Note 4:
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=reviewsimg/samsung-galaxy-note-4/camera/gsmarena_016.jpg
iPhone 6+:
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=reviewsimg/apple-iphone-6-plus/camera/gsmarena_015.jpg
I will admit the Note 4 took the shot in an even darker environment but the difference is quite literally night and day.
Hi to all
I have several questions about P20 Pro camera:
1. Did x3 optical zoom and x5 hybrid zoo. Have OIS? (Are they stable like optical zoom on S9+?)
2. Did it recording in 1080p 60fps?
3. Can "light fusion technology " be use for 40mp or just dor 10mp?
4. They didn't tell us so much about video recording. Is video recording better then S9+ or not? (I don't believe to DXO mark, but theysey that P20 Pro have better video recording)
5. Did P20 Pro have better HDR like Pixel Xl 2 and S9?
6. Can I use panorama on RGB sensors (40mp)?
7. I see on Youtube that in Pro mode they have just 3200 ISO, but they show us a 102400 ISO. So the camera is not with last software update?
8. Main camera (40mp) dont have OIS? And is AIS like EIS?
Zoom sensor has OIS. The other two don’t.
Light fusion is 10mp Output.
Dxomark rated the video equal to the Pixel 2 scoring overall. They did say it was one of the best at video.
Yes, hence the 114 dxomark photo score. It doesn’t need the Pixel way of making photos using HDR+.
The ISO might be in Auto Mode at that level, but it can do it.
AIS uses some EIS and then AI to correct photo. Huawei say it’s better than OIS which wouldn’t surprise me if true.
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Zoom sensor has OIS. The other two don’t.
Light fusion is 10mp Output.
Dxomark rated the video equal to the Pixel 2 scoring overall. They did say it was one of the best at video.
Yes, hence the 114 dxomark photo score. It doesn’t need the Pixel way of making photos using HDR+.
The ISO might be in Auto Mode at that level, but it can do it.
AIS uses some EIS and then AI to correct photo. Huawei say it’s better than OIS which wouldn’t surprise me if true.
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Thx a lot for your answer i have two more question:
Can I use camera manual mode with 40mp and diffrent ISO?
And, I never usw Huawei, did it have manual video mod like LG V30?
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Thx a lot for your answer i have two more question:
Can I use camera manual mode with 40mp and diffrent ISO?
And, I never usw Huawei, did it have manual video mod like LG V30?
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Yes and yes.
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Thx and thx thx a lot
Camera samples from the devices at the launch.
All the 10MP samples I've seen look excellent. Certainly better than anything currently on the market.
Even in good light, the 40MP shots appear to be poorly lit and also lacking contrast .. I suspect due to both the huge amount of data being read by the camera software, and the very large resulting image, both metering and post processing are highly suspect. I'm sure it will improve with time, but I suspect that it would benefit from Huawei's next-gen SoC.
Zoom lens / sensor photos are surprisingly decent, as is the hybrid zoom.
What I'm most interested in seeing is image stacking / HDR on the main sensor's 10MP output, if it can do that. Huawei's image stacking / HDR has been a lot weaker than Samsung / Google / Open Camera etc previously.
P.S. For anyone wondering, from what I've been told the main 1/1.7" sensor is a Panasonic one.
I have S8 and S9 os not big difference in camera. SO I would like to buy P20 Pro, BUT it really need to be very good camera much better then S8. But what I see from Forbes I was very sad... The P20 Pro is not big improvement from s8, S9 and Iphon x...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin...tout-huawei-p20-pro-vs-iphone-x/#bfc5e745d33b
And if the 40mp camera dark in good light, and you can use it for good photo, why then buy this phone? Why did they put 40mp if they dont have "Renesansa" pgoro and video?
P.S. lets meka a Group in telegram about P20 Pro...
The 10MP output looks a lot better than anything on the market, including your S8 and S9.
It has 40MP because that's the sensor's native resolution. This sensor is used in cameras usually, not phones ... and they have far more sophisticated metering, lenses and dedicated image processing hardware, and can make some use of the 40MP - albeit even then the images usually look far better at a lower multiple of the native resolution, or downscaled. Dynamic range is far better - also seen on the P20 Pro.
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But we're not going to get anything that compares even vaguely well to a half decent camera until we go to larger sensors still, or multi sensor arrays. As I said elsewhere, at least one major smartphone maker is working on a prototype of a phone with a 1" sensor ... whether it sees the light of day will possibly depend on how many units the P20 Pro sells.
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The 10MP output looks a lot better than anything on the market, including your S8 and S9.
It has 40MP because that's the sensor's native resolution. This sensor is used in cameras usually, not phones ... and they have far more sophisticated metering, lenses and dedicated image processing hardware, and can make some use of the 40MP - albeit even then the images usually look far better at a lower multiple of the native resolution, or downscaled. Dynamic range is far better - also seen on the P20 Pro.
But we're not going to get anything that compares even vaguely well to a half decent camera until we go to larger sensors still, or multi sensor arrays. As I said elsewhere, at least one major smartphone maker is working on a prototype of a phone with a 1" sensor ... whether it sees the light of day will possibly depend on how many units the P20 Pro sells.
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So they are not possibility to make with update 40mp much better, or good like 10 mp?
I think if they put better pixel, better sensors like they put and 40mp camera then we can take big photo with very good details when zoom in photo, and very good quality photo. I aspect to see much much much better photo then S9+, pixel xl 2, iphon x... with so much better shadows, lights, and etc...
So 40mp is jusy marketing trick?
What do you want 40MP output for? It's highly unlikely you need 10MP.
You realise 4K is 8MP? Assuming you don't have an 8K TV or monitor yet (33MP)?
How many people do large, super high DPI prints of mobile phone photos ... not many I'd wager.
40mp images. Shot in raw. Say no more. These are amazing.
https://twitter.com/UmihitoTV/status/978969506679853056
10mp is excellent for nearly everything. When you want more, go raw and you’ve got best of both worlds.
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I currently have a Samsung S9+ and have been taking some amazing shots with it. Epic shots. See this post
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/26/soussons-forest-dartmoor-national-park-shot-on-the-samsung-s9/
and https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/2...om-the-samsung-galaxy-s9-featuring-snow-dogs/
So as far as I’m concerned, the P20 Pro has to be better than all of these types of shots. I did have the Huawei Mate 10 Pro that took some amazing pics too. So what I have decided to do, is to focus heavily on the Huawei P20 Pro when it arrives and create very specific and detailed posts on it , including the camera with lots of tips too.
I am fairly confident the P20 Pro will be better from the samples already shared that I’m selling my S9+, even though I actually really like it.
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40mp images. Shot in raw. Say no more. These are amazing.
https://twitter.com/UmihitoTV/status/978969506679853056
10mp is excellent for nearly everything. When you want more, go raw and you’ve got best of both worlds.
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I currently have a Samsung S9+ and have been taking some amazing shots with it. Epic shots. See this post
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/26/soussons-forest-dartmoor-national-park-shot-on-the-samsung-s9/
and https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/2...om-the-samsung-galaxy-s9-featuring-snow-dogs/
So as far as I’m concerned, the P20 Pro has to be better than all of these types of shots. I did have the Huawei Mate 10 Pro that took some amazing pics too. So what I have decided to do, is to focus heavily on the Huawei P20 Pro when it arrives and create very specific and detailed posts on it , including the camera with lots of tips too.
I am fairly confident the P20 Pro will be better from the samples already shared that I’m selling my S9+, even though I actually really like it.
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Waooo you got very good photo. Did you make all in RAW rhen edit or?
The shots shown in the linked posts were shot all in auto.
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The shots shown in the linked posts were shot all in auto.
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Waooo even with same sensors and all camera hardwer like S8, S9 make much better photos then S8.
P20 Pro have much batter senzor nmand pixel from today competition, did this mean P20Pro will have better photos (take better photos) then S9+, pixel Xl2 and etc? With more light, shadows, details and etc?
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Waooo even with same sensors and all camera hardwer like S8, S9 make much better photos then S8.
P20 Pro have much batter senzor nmand pixel from today competition, did this mean P20Pro will have better photos (take better photos) then S9+, pixel Xl2 and etc? With more light, shadows, details and etc?
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I’m expecting the P20 Pro to be a lot better. And the creative options are huge.
does anyone here knows which camera sensor huawei is using for the pro? is it sony imx or a different one?
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does anyone here knows which camera sensor huawei is using for the pro? is it sony imx or a different one?
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So 40mp is jusy marketing trick?
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Think back to the PureView tech. On that I believe the camera produced a 5 or 8MP image. In most cases that's the mode you used, even though you could go for the full-sized image. That often had a lot more noise, as the whole point of the 40MP is to use the data from 4 pixels to produce a cleaner 10MP image.
I took a few 40MP images but Google scales it down to 16MP on high-resolution mode (the mode I've chosen as otherwise I'd quickly use up all my storage) so at some point, I'll take a few more and host them elsewhere to share.
Frankly, we've moved on from playing the numbers game where more pixels is anything people cared about. 40MP here is purely to allow Huawei to do its clever stuff (especially the AI assisted night mode) and not just to sound better than the competition, even though I'm sure that's a rather good side-effect for the marketing department!
There are a lot more photos added to the gallery today, including some more from other people who attended the launch.
I am yet to experiment with RAW and the pro mode, and I do wonder if I'll need to as it is such a good phone for just picking up and shooting, letting the phone do its work. The scene detection works very well, although occasionally it may pick a mode you think isn't what you wanted to capture (e.g. a building where it goes for 'blue sky mode' to boost the colour of the sky) although it doesn't ruin the photo. Plus you can turn it off if you prefer. I don't see any need to yet.
hey @jonmorris,
How's the dynamic range compared with the pixel 2/galaxy s9? Maybe, if you own one of them you could post some comparison pictures .
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDjQ2s_Aj9N/?igshid=1dxoigutseqyk
Went to local galaxy unpacked event and tried the camera. PROMISING! Definitely better than the whole S20 ultra fiasco
Had a hands on, the focus issue is completely gone. This is by far the fastest one yet. Pictures are also a lot better than the S20 ultra....over contrast and sharpening is not there and looks to be finally what they promised.
Unfortunately at the mall the zoom lens didn't look as good to me....still pics at a distance were good, but anything with a a slight movement was a mess with the periscope camera. Also, the images were terrible compared to note 10 plus from 2x-4.9x, which I'm assuming was just a crop from the main pic as opposed to the telephoto from Note 10 plus. Ultra wide I preferred note 10 plus for some reason....tad more in the image and more details.
Just my 2 cents...getting free buds live , 256 gb storage, Exynos 990 for 1225 dollars in UAE - edit * freaking thing is only 8GB RAM at this price.....insane
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I use a program called Cam Scanner a lot.
Things like asset tags and some field documents/plates on turbines, et al.
Never had an issue with clarity until the S20 Ultra. The focus uniformity across the frame, frankly, sucks! With the camera app I can usually find a somewhat happy medium. But I don't like it and on a $1450 flagship device, it's unacceptable!
HOPEFULLY, the Note20 Ultra does NOT have this issue. Is it a dealbreaker? Depends on how much better "everything else" is compared to the S20 Ultra. Since e-sim is about as useful as tits on a bull in the US, I have to carry two phones, the second being an iPhone 11 Pro Max. Camscanner works beautifully on that.
Thanks to the pandemic, my live gig days have come to a fat screeching halt, so recording live music isn't happening so any enhancements to video in that regard aren't going to matter much. Alternate audio sources may get rid of the metallic rain sound when recording outdoors in the wind, and I will be curious as to what mics will work. That could be interesting.
Some photos from local best buy
Pretty much if you like Samsung's photos on previous phones then you'll like the ones from this phone. The photos have the same look i.e. colorful and bright exposure.
Night photos look slightly improved and so does tele photos.
Definite improvement on night mode from s20u..
(Exynos)
cpufrost said:
I use a program called Cam Scanner a lot.
Things like asset tags and some field documents/plates on turbines, et al.
Never had an issue with clarity until the S20 Ultra. The focus uniformity across the frame, frankly, sucks! With the camera app I can usually find a somewhat happy medium. But I don't like it and on a $1450 flagship device, it's unacceptable!
HOPEFULLY, the Note20 Ultra does NOT have this issue. Is it a dealbreaker? Depends on how much better "everything else" is compared to the S20 Ultra. Since e-sim is about as useful as tits on a bull in the US, I have to carry two phones, the second being an iPhone 11 Pro Max. Camscanner works beautifully on that.
Thanks to the pandemic, my live gig days have come to a fat screeching halt, so recording live music isn't happening so any enhancements to video in that regard aren't going to matter much. Alternate audio sources may get rid of the metallic rain sound when recording outdoors in the wind, and I will be curious as to what mics will work. That could be interesting.
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I love CamScanner! As a teacher, I use it all the time!! I hope I don't have issues with this phone with that app.
PsiPhiDan said:
I love CamScanner! As a teacher, I use it all the time!! I hope I don't have issues with this phone with that app.
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Microsoft's Lens Scanner does a great job, too! Especially if you're heavily invested in Microsoft apps like Office 365.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CDjQ2s_Aj9N/?igshid=1dxoigutseqyk
Went to local galaxy unpacked event and tried the camera. PROMISING! Definitely better than the whole S20 ultra fiasco
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Holy smokes, the Note 20 Ultra's pic is MUCH better in that side-by-side comparison.
I took quick photos of my dog in normal Auto Mode to compare how my S20 Ultra (Left) processed the image vs. how the new Note 20 Ultra (Right) fared. I already knew my S20U struggled in less than perfect lighting & with fur textures, so I was curious if the N20U did too.
I'm glad the Note 20U has significantly improved processing right out of the box (even after the S20U's many updates, which did very little). Is it actually possible for the the S20U to be updated to be on par with the N20U? From walking around & taking random everyday photos, the differences in image processing have been pretty staggering between the 2 phones despite their similar hardware.
I feel you there ... I'm local 33 in la... I miss working the shows too.
With you on the 10+ comparison. I was shocked actually to see my 10+ take better pics
Disappointed in the pictures compared to my note 10+. The pictures seem overly exposed and really colorful
The night mode is terrible compared to my s20 ultra! I'm starting to think something is wrong. I took the same photo at the same time and the s20 ultra is clear while the Note is grainy and no detail. Anyone else having this issue?
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The night mode is terrible compared to my s20 ultra! I'm starting to think something is wrong. I took the same photo at the same time and the s20 ultra is clear while the Note is grainy and no detail. Anyone else having this issue?
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I'm getting the opposite N20U better than S20U both exynos
Note 10 + still Image quality Tops Note 20 Ultra Images for me
Note 10+ is the more interesting comparison vs S20+. Have them all
With all but images beyond ^ 5X and Night Mode the 10+ pics are just richer and more vibrant.
Saw this on a number of UTube comparisons so have checked repeatedly.
Sure enough it's true.
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The night mode is terrible compared to my s20 ultra! I'm starting to think something is wrong. I took the same photo at the same time and the s20 ultra is clear while the Note is grainy and no detail. Anyone else having this issue?
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Absolutely! Especially at 10X, the S20U blows the Note 20 Ultra out of the water.
And space zoom, 50X on both phones looks nearly identical.
This is definitely a downgrade especially if you had the 16GB RAM on the S20 Ultra.
This is essentially an S20 Ultra, aka gimped, with a bigger screen and s-pen.
Definitely disappointed, usually the Note series stands out from the S series. This is essentially a sidegrade at best and if you're noticing these things, a big disappointment.
Kind of silly my nearly year old 11 Pro Max camera trashes this one, especially video and night mode. iOS 14 night mode is incredible!
The funny thing is if you read note 10's plus topic for the camera it turns out s10s camera was better, if you read, s10s topic it turns out note 9s camera was better... You get the point, hah? To me the camera is great, and don't forget that it's just the start of the note 20s life cycle and the quality will improve significantly with the software updates.
Smudged detail, really not great. I had the find x5 pro for a while before returning it and there really is no comparison. Quite disappointed.
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Smudged detail, really not great. I had the find x5 pro for a while before returning it and there really is no comparison. Quite disappointed.
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Really not sure about keeping the phone. On one hand I actually like the fake OxygenOS basically ColorOS. The phone software feels very very polished relative to other androids. Almost like a non buggy MIUI. But the PWM flicker is pretty bad.
Cameras seem fine in my limited testing. Although OnePlus has always taken a couple months to fix their cameras.
I've taken some great pics so far...as with any phone the situation sometimes requires you to alter some settings, that's what pro modes for.
This phone will come good, the hardwares just too good to not exploit with some good ROMs.
I was hesitant at first comparing it to my 8 pro but I'm so in now..
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I've taken some great pics so far...as with any phone the situation sometimes requires you to alter some settings, that's what pro modes for.
This phone will come good, the hardwares just too good to not exploit with some good ROMs.
I was hesitant at first comparing it to my 8 pro but I'm so in now..
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Totally agree!
in good light the camera is fine, it is medium to low light where I am seeing a drop off vs say the S22 or Pixel. For example seems pretty bad for smudging fur detail on pets.
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in good light the camera is fine, it is medium to low light where I am seeing a drop off vs say the S22 or Pixel. For example seems pretty bad for smudging fur detail on pets.
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Have you tried the other settings in manual mode ?
As a point and shoot it'll get better but if you expect the world without any work it's just not going to happen mate. Not Vs an S22. I mean that's an expensive phone, it should be better, the pixel is using the base software and it's Google again it should be better..
That being said I'm positive I can get better than any point and shoot camera phone with this phone
This camera has a lot of features, settings, and cool picture possibilities....Hasselblad ftw
What I have learnt from experience with phones is to now buy it for the camera , I will just get one mirror less camera which will last longer than any camera phones for a long time
I think it is only in comparison to the competition that it falls short. My torture test for any new phone is photos of our cats indoors and I am seeing more smudging and a less clwean image than the Pixel of S22 Ultra offers and yes I have owned both and still actually have the S22U.
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I think it is only in comparison to the competition that it falls short. My torture test for any new phone is photos of our cats indoors and I am seeing more smudging and a less clwean image than the Pixel of S22 Ultra offers and yes I have owned both and still actually have the S22U.
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Try some different settings. Smudges may occur due to HDR being on and a slight movement, could just be the software that OnePlus has made. It could just need a few updates which I'm sure may occur.
ISO could be too high too.
Use pro mode, set the shutter speed as low as possible Vs an ISO of 200-800, should help...find the sweet spot depending on the light you have.. it's manual but honestly my pics come out better when I have control. My DSLR I'd never let the camera choose for me..
There was a poll on phonearena with blind camera test (users were asked to vote for best picture of same scene clicked by S22, iPhone13 Pro, OP 10 Pro and Pixel 6 Pro without knowing which phone clicked which picture)... OP sucked major balls and came in last
I got my OP10 Pro today...anyway I did not buy it for camera
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Smudged detail, really not great. I had the find x5 pro for a while before returning it and there really is no comparison. Quite disappointed.
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Yeah, sometimes it is bad if there is very low light OnePlus should give an update for this along with the security patch!
gagan007 said:
There was a poll on phonearena with blind camera test (users were asked to vote for best picture of same scene clicked by S22, iPhone13 Pro, OP 10 Pro and Pixel 6 Pro without knowing which phone clicked which picture)... OP sucked major balls and came in last
I got my OP10 Pro today...anyway I did not buy it for camera
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Again this is point and shoot.
Ask any actual photographer if they rely on automatic lens settings, the vast majority will say no they won't so why would you rely on it for your phone? They all have the capability yet we tend to believe some plum who's pointings and shooting? Makes no sense to me
I'm not saying that the results are incorrect as I've not used them phones, but relying on this test is testing one thing and that's the automatic settings chosen by the software on the phone.
That's it.
Give all these phones to a photographer and get them to use settings based on the scene they have Infront of them, then check the results, I think you'll see a different outcome
For the record I used to be a photographer for a living in a previous life. I almost always though just use my phone in auto mode as a point and shoot, have just never embraced manual mode (or even Av mode for that matter) on a phone.
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For the record I used to be a photographer for a living in a previous life. I almost always though just use my phone in auto mode as a point and shoot, have just never embraced manual mode (or even Av mode for that matter) on a phone.
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I take a lot of astro photograph's, both with my DSLR / telescope and purpose built astro camera.. but also my phone.
I need to change some things when I take a night shot, especially of the sky.
I think if you give it a shot (no pun intended) you'll be surprised at the results.
it will take months before sensor potential is used at its fullest with Gcam, and everyone knows these have infinite issues with white balance etc for years, so those kind of flagships won't ever shoot close to what cheaper older flagships can already do after years of gcam configs development
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it will take months before sensor potential is used at its fullest with Gcam, and everyone knows these have infinite issues with white balance etc for years, so those kind of flagships won't ever shoot close to what cheaper older flagships can already do after years of gcam configs development
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I agree besides gcam, it's just unstable, things not working like wide angle, slow motion.
But for a point and shoot it's the simpler option.
I think Vs pro mode you'd get better on the stock app.
Defo agree on updates helping
oneplus explicitly stated they remove access to aux cameras in OOS12, no one pays flagship price for a point and shoot and nevermind what comes out at the end experience, u can do that on a 200$ Xiaomi and get 95% satisfaction for social media and casual browsing on large screens
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oneplus explicitly stated they remove access to aux cameras in OOS12
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How do you mean?
Auxiliary as in external?
OnePlus 9 and 9 Pro OxygenOS 12 Android 12 Update: Filled with Bugs, Blocks Access to Auxiliary Cameras for GCam , same is inherited in all models @ OOS12