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Has anyone used a hand-cranked charger? I have a Brookstone hand-cranked flashlight/radio that can charge phones. I'm considering getting an adapter to charge my Tilt but I don't know if it can handle it. It says it can output up to 600mA. I've heard bad reports of other chargers with dumb phones but nothing of this one. It seems unlikely this can keep a power-hungry Kaiser charged. It also outputs 6 volts. I hope this doesn't fry the phone.
Edit: I meant 600mA
Any estimates on how long it would take to reach full battery charge?
A couple of hours?
Excellent for weight loss, especially if you use 3G...
The standard Kaiser or Hermes wall charger is rated at 1A (1000mA), and a powered USB port outputs 500mA. As some people have problems charging from USB - particularly after completely discharging their batteries, then I'd think that 500mA is the minimum power required to charge.
If you install one of those programs which displays battery power you'll probably find that the power draw is much higher than 6mA (even in standby) so all you'll do with the hand cranked charger is slightly reduce the rate at which the battery is discharging.
Looking at a 1350mAh battery, this would take a minimum of 9 days and 8 hours to charge the battery from flat if it isn't being used - great workout but hardly worth it
I got a cheapo one from some gareg... AA branded thing for a fiver, flash light thingy to... five mins of winding gave a one percent increase in battery, but then if your really stuck it could be a good thing... only cost a fiver too!
So yesterday I bought a 2.0 charger off of amazon with the choe brand name. According to the ad it works with nearly every android phone, including the HTC one m8. For the past year I have been using a charger from my last phone which was a crappy flip phone and thought nothing of it, but I am wondering does this charger truly work?? According to app "Ampere" it is much slower. Also, I've read reports about phones heating up and that's what mine did last night, is that normal? How long should it take for me to full charge my HTC one m8?
It will heat up, that is normal. It'll use most of its 2.4A between 20 and 70% and then slow down. Your total charge time shouldn't take more than 1 hour, and make sure you're using the supplied cable.
Thanks for the response! So if it doesn't charge 1 to 100 in 1 hour than is something wrong? Also will a charger like this have any effect on how long my battery lasts? My last charger for whatever reason was for my last flip phone believe it or not, I never bought a new one.
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Thanks for the response! So if it doesn't charge 1 to 100 in 1 hour than is something wrong? Also will a charger like this have any effect on how long my battery lasts? My last charger for whatever reason was for my last flip phone believe it or not, I never bought a new one.
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no I wouldn't say that.
my 2.0 QC will get it done in about 1-2 hours compared to the 3-5 or so it took with stock charger.
0-100% will take more than an hour. I've timed mine a few times from 0-100%, not using the phone at all and in airplane mode waking it up every 5 minutes to check percentage, volts, and charge rate using Gsam batt monitor.
Comparing the two chargers (OEM HTC QC 2.0, and original HTC charger- which I believe is QC 1.0) the QC 2.0 is definitely faster. Even though there is nothing on the phone telling you it is using the higher wattage charging mode, it is. So, 0 to 100% using HTC's QC2, usually takes around 1:20 minutes if I remember right. As in the other post, it starts out rather slow to around 20%, then kicks in to high gear until around 80%, then slows back down all the way to 100% so as to not overcharge the battery and harm it. It really is amazing the speed that it charges at. It does get rather warm, which is normal, but shouldn't hurt the phone.
Now, completely draining and recharging these batteries frequently is not good for them and will decrease the useful life sooner. Keeping it somewhere around 80 % is ideal but realistically not practical and the manufacturers know that. That's why they build in overcharge circuitry protection so leaving the charger on all the time "shouldn't" harm the battery. Draining it down to zero and doing a full recharge cycle on it frequently WILL decrease the lifespan. The batterie's useful life is basically determined by a finite number of charge cycles.
There's tons of info on charging and batteries out there if you are looking for more reading too.
Anyone heard of the brand Auzen? It's popping up alot on aliexpress and around asian market. Not too much reviews yet on that brand.
don't play with quick chargers .I bloated my m8 batt once trying it .it charge at 2.4a .our device max is 1.5a.
If you insist using it then don't full charge with it n monitor closely .
That's impressive, I use a QC2.0 car charger, I use a variety of wall chargers that run from 1.0A to 2.3A at 5V.
So far, my battery is still very happy.
Sounds like you got a cheap knock off charger or your battery/charging circuitry was damaged/faulty and/or your ROM/firmware weren't proper, for that kind of damage to occur.
I don't think Ampere works. I once did a test (last month) and had 6 different USB cables and I wanted to see which was the best, every time I used one I got a different reading, from 200 up to 1600. Even using my Anker Quick Charge 2.0 I only got 400 so it stated.
I have been using Aukey QuickCharge 2.0 and gives pretty decent charge times.
I have a QUICK Changer 2.0. works great.. have some tips...
You know there is some colors on cable conectors ends you have to choose the right one..
- If the cable is not a quality one can result to slow charging.
Black ----- 1.0. most in stock phones
White------ 2.0. the right for fast charging...
The time on reaching 100% on battery,well Quickly charger 2.0 will reach 80% on your battery fast and it will change the next 20% slower...
There is some app in playstore can help can see the amperage live in mA..
Connect your charger to get the battery charging current or disconnect it and get the negative discharging current... and you can see your battery charging current mA is constantly changing because even on charging phone still using current (negative discharging current) and this is always changing.
On my case I see higher mA reading only under really low battery...
I have a problem with my m8 and aukey 2.0 quick charger....
After firmware update to 6.12.xxx.xxx mm , the app ampere tell me max 1600ma before update its tell 2000ma .. Its a bug or a feature of the new firmware base...??? I have cyanogenmod 13
Im using the same aukey 2.0 quick charger. Works perfect.
M8 is 1.5a max .if you use 2.0a logically you're overcharging it. Just wait for it to get bloat n replace the whole bat. worth it ?
Hi, i just wanted to say something. After many bad chargers i bought, i found the Nillkin chargers (2Amps)and Nillkin cables (2.1Amp) the best and best quality. I am always testing with good Usb voltage tester and it can charge up to 1.5 amps max on M8 and on LG G3 1.8 Amps. As long as the charger is 5.0V, amps can variate and it doesnt hurt your battery, it just charges slower or faster. In my case its charging 1% per minute on both phones. It doesn't matter if the cable is black, white, green... cables must be thick, around 18AWG that support high ampers which mean faster charging. thin cables are sh!#. And for car i also found the Scosche dual charger great for every device with Nillkin 30cm cables and Kenu airframe holder.
You can use 2.4A chargers on M8 without problem as it will only receive 1.5amps.
GL
I'm using Anker PowerPort 1+. It's very good and you can use for iPhone iPad & almost Android devices.
I bought it here: http://www.amazon.com/Anker-Charger-PowerPort-Samsung-Wireless/dp/B014F3D8FQ
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M8 is 1.5a max .if you use 2.0a logically you're overcharging it.
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That logic is incorrect. The phone will only draw as many amps as its rated for (1.5 amps) regardless of what the charger is rated to supply. Think of the charger amp rating as the "maximum it can supply" instead of "what it will always supply".
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M8 is 1.5a max .if you use 2.0a logically you're overcharging it. Just wait for it to get bloat n replace the whole bat. worth it ?
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Ampere shows max charge rate for me at 2000ma. Where do you get the idea it will overcharge?
Hi everyone, I'm new here with my Note 9 coming from a Galaxy S5. I have 2 questions.
I want to know firstly what (wired) charging do the majority of Galaxy Note 9 owners employ? Standard or fast charging? I am very weary of fast charging because of increased battery degradation.
My second question is this. I am assuming that fast charging increases battery degradation because of increased heat from the higher voltages. And yes I know that it is adaptive and gradually tapers off. I have run an experiment. I have installed a couple of battery temperature apps and charged through standard charging. Then I have put the phone on a solid piece of steel plate and charged through fast charging. The temperatures of the battery are identical. I have checked this a number of times. The steel plate even at room temperature is quite cold.
So does this mean that if I fast charge with the phone on a cold steel plate and the temperature is no higher than standard charging resting on a usual surface, that fast charging in this case causes no additional battery degradation?
Thanks.
Fast charging, most of the time
Fast wireless charging all the time. Even when it's in my car dock it wirelessly charges in that can be for 3-4 hours a day on and off depending on journey. Screw battery degradation I'll use the upgrade programme to upgrade next year.
Slow charging. I have the same concern as you hence I off the fast charging function. No diff to me since I charge my phone only at night when I am about to sleep. Do not require charging to be fast.
BlackCatSam said:
Hi everyone, I'm new here with my Note 9 coming from a Galaxy S5. I have 2 questions.
I want to know firstly what (wired) charging do the majority of Galaxy Note 9 owners employ? Standard or fast charging? I am very weary of fast charging because of increased battery degradation.
My second question is this. I am assuming that fast charging increases battery degradation because of increased heat from the higher voltages. And yes I know that it is adaptive and gradually tapers off. I have run an experiment. I have installed a couple of battery temperature apps and charged through standard charging. Then I have put the phone on a solid piece of steel plate and charged through fast charging. The temperatures of the battery are identical. I have checked this a number of times. The steel plate even at room temperature is quite cold.
So does this mean that if I fast charge with the phone on a cold steel plate and the temperature is no higher than standard charging resting on a usual surface, that fast charging in this case causes no additional battery degradation?
Thanks.
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If you plan on keeping your Note 9 as long as you did your S5 then slow charge with wire and also try your best to charge from 40 -80%.
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Samsung is claiming 95% battery charge capacity after 2 years (80% is normal). So there is little reason to hold charging to 40 -80% for the normal lifetime of a phone. And also LION batteries are never allowed to charge or discharge completely - it's hazardous. So Samsung is already limiting how much power the phone can draw or charge the battery. (So do electric car manufacturers)
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Samsung is claiming 95% battery charge capacity after 2 years (80% is normal). So there is little reason to hold charging to 40 -80% for the normal lifetime of a phone. And also LION batteries are never allowed to charge or discharge completely - it's hazardous. So Samsung is already limiting how much power the phone can draw or charge the battery. (So do electric car manufacturers)
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A quote is worthless without a source, where did you hear Samsung state the phone would have 95% battery charge capacity after 2 years? Also I'm not sure you understand Li-ion batteries, they are allowed to be fully charged but not completely discharged, this is included in the mAh ratings. Also electric car manufacturers do infact recommend something similar to 40 - 80% charging, for example, Tesla by default do not charge 100%. Even Elon Musk recommends 30 - 80% charging: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/448466037441179649
I use slow charging. I believe it is quite fast even with slow charging.
If there is an option to choose whether you want fast and slow charging, note that fast one has some downsides.
A quote is worthless without a source, where did you hear Samsung state the phone would have 95% battery charge capacity after 2 years? Also I'm not sure you understand Li-ion batteries, they are allowed to be fully charged but not completely discharged, this is included in the mAh ratings. Also electric car manufacturers do infact recommend something similar to 40 - 80% charging, for example, Tesla by default do not charge 100%. Even Elon Musk recommends 30 - 80% charging:
Wow took 5 seconds to find many reports of the Samsung statement.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsu...ain-95-capacity-after-two-years.244370.0.html
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A quote is worthless without a source, where did you hear Samsung state the phone would have 95% battery charge capacity after 2 years? Also I'm not sure you understand Li-ion batteries, they are allowed to be fully charged but not completely discharged, this is included in the mAh ratings. Also electric car manufacturers do infact recommend something similar to 40 - 80% charging, for example, Tesla by default do not charge 100%. Even Elon Musk recommends 30 - 80% charging:
Wow took 5 seconds to find many reports of the Samsung statement.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsu...ain-95-capacity-after-two-years.244370.0.html
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Although I don't blindly trust what manufacturers claim, I did however test my wife's note 8 and used accubattery pro on her device from new. Unlike me, she would always topup her phone and also fast wireless charge. After a year prior to her trading her note 8 in for a note 9 I checked the health tab, I know it's not accurate however as a ballpark is stated her battery health was at 97% which isn't pretty bad for 12 months of usage. My note 8 was at 99% using the 40-80 rule approx 90 % of the time. If one was going to keep their device longer than two years I'd still recommend using the 40-80 method to prolong battery life. However most Inc myself upgrade yearly so it's all moot. I just do it (80-40) out of habit.
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A quote is worthless without a source, where did you hear Samsung state the phone would have 95% battery charge capacity after 2 years? Also I'm not sure you understand Li-ion batteries, they are allowed to be fully charged but not completely discharged, this is included in the mAh ratings. Also electric car manufacturers do infact recommend something similar to 40 - 80% charging, for example, Tesla by default do not charge 100%. Even Elon Musk recommends 30 - 80% charging:
Wow took 5 seconds to find many reports of the Samsung statement.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsu...ain-95-capacity-after-two-years.244370.0.html
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And while I'm thinking of it. Why don't you substantiate your quote??
For you who use AccuBattery app to monitor your battery usage, can you share yours?
Because mine is showing my battery health is only 47%. I think it's maybe, just maybe, the app only read half of the battery capacity. Since this phone is actually have two batteries installed in a single pack of battery.
With this phone I got around 6 hours of screen on time with 70% battery usage (from 90 - 20%).
It's normal SOT for this phone right?
I attached my SS from the app. I use version 1.2.7-2 build 45.
Yeah yours are pretty normal. I have a similar results.
Maybe the 50 watt charging is degrading the battery at a rapid pace,
Maybe this app is not very accurate.
I've seen others complaining about this app with other phones but hopefully here it's just estimating one of the two batteries
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Yeah yours are pretty normal. I have a similar results.
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Thanks for sharing. We have the same battery performance.
manus31 said:
Maybe the 50 watt charging is degrading the battery at a rapid pace,
Maybe this app is not very accurate.
I've seen others complaining about this app with other phones but hopefully here it's just estimating one of the two batteries
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Pretty sure it's not because the rapid charging, if so the phone is a disaster.
The app is most possible reason.
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Thanks for sharing. We have the same battery performance.
Pretty sure it's not because the rapid charging, if so the phone is a disaster.
The app is most possible reason.
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Here's hoping,I'm getting mine next week and I'm already very skeptical of the vooc charging,I've seen nothing from Realme or Oppo in regards to it's testing or how it affects the degradation of battery.Because of this and I want the battery to last a few years I will be charging with a 18w charger,using the vooc charger occasionally
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Here's hoping,I'm getting mine next week and I'm already very skeptical of the vooc charging,I've seen nothing from Realme or Oppo in regards to it's testing or how it affects the degradation of battery.Because of this and I want the battery to last a few years I will be charging with a 18w charger,using the vooc charger occasionally
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At first I also skeptical about the Super VOOC charging, I think it will damage battery faster, especially because of heat while charging.
And then, turns out to be more make sense because it use dual battery. And with my experience using this phone, there's no heat problem while charging. Not from the hand feel and not from the system temparature reading.
Since the charging is super fast, I usually put the phone at idle for about 5 minutes to cool down the phone before charging and put on airplane mode while charging to prevent over hear and keep the battery as cool as possible. After several try different circumstances of charging condition, I think Super VOOC is doing just fine.
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At first I also skeptical about the Super VOOC charging, I think it will damage battery faster, especially because of heat while charging.
And then, turns out to be more make sense because it use dual battery. And with my experience using this phone, there's no heat problem while charging. Not from the hand feel and not from the system temparature reading.
Since the charging is super fast, I usually put the phone at idle for about 5 minutes to cool down the phone before charging and put on airplane mode while charging to prevent over hear and keep the battery as cool as possible. After several try different circumstances of charging condition, I think Super VOOC is doing just fine.
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I'm sure it's safe and all very good but I still think it will be too difficult to maintain the battery and make it last a few years. I like to keep the battery between around 40 to 85 and it's not recommend to fully charge modern phone batteries aswell as not fully draining them,there is only so many cycles for the batteries lifetime,around 500 or so,
here we have two batteries but still that does not matter,
I will be using in and around 18w charger but might try my OnePlus charger to see if that is any quicker to find a happy medium
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I'm sure it's safe and all very good but I still think it will be too difficult to maintain the battery and make it last a few years. I like to keep the battery between around 40 to 85 and it's not recommend to fully charge modern phone batteries aswell as not fully draining them,there is only so many cycles for the batteries lifetime,around 500 or so,
here we have two batteries but still that does not matter,
I will be using in and around 18w charger but might try my OnePlus charger to see if that is any quicker to find a happy medium
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OnePlus charger will give you VOOC charging. I think that will suit you.
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OnePlus charger will give you VOOC charging. I think that will suit you.
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Yes should give around 27 to 30 watt charge,that would be perfect.Wil test it and see,getting phone tomorrow according to my national post
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Yes should give around 27 to 30 watt charge,that would be perfect.Wil test it and see,getting phone tomorrow according to my national post
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Got phone today,the 50 watt charge is lightning fast,
My OnePlus 6T charger is also lightning,think it's about 27w charger. My 6T battery must have a problem as the charging has slowed over time on that. I'm only noticing again how fast the dash charger is on the X2 pro
Have been using Accubattery for few days now and have similar stats to you guys,48% battery health and estimated capacity of 1913mAh,
Maybe Accubattery can improve the software for these type of phones which have two separate batteries
have the same result. maybe an update with the app can result in a more accurate reading.
Guys it's normal, this phone has a battery made of 2 1950mAh cells that charge in parallel. This means that Accubattery (which reads the stats based on voltage and current) can only read a single cell charge.
I also read some strange comments here, so let's dismantle a myth: SuperVOOC WON'T damage your battery much more than normal fast charging. Having 50W on a single battery would be absurd, instead this power is distributed between the two cells, resulting in a charge of 5V and 5A per cell (pretty standard, 5V is super safe because it's the same as the cell voltage, and current is similar to other manufacturer quick charge currents). Having 5V input is also better for heat, because it doesn't need conversion (see Qualcomm Quickcharge which can input 5/9/12/15V).
Of course heat is the worst enemy of a battery life, but try not to use it while charging for those 25/30mins needed for a full charge and you'll be good to go.
I hope this clarifies things for people scared of using the boxed charger.
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Guys it's normal, this phone has a battery made of 2 1950mAh cells that charge in parallel. This means that Accubattery (which reads the stats based on voltage and current) can only read a single cell charge.
I also read some strange comments here, so let's dismantle a myth: SuperVOOC WON'T damage your battery much more than normal fast charging. Having 50W on a single battery would be absurd, instead this power is distributed between the two cells, resulting in a charge of 5V and 5A per cell (pretty standard, 5V is super safe because it's the same as the cell voltage, and current is similar to other manufacturer quick charge currents). Having 5V input is also better for heat, because it doesn't need conversion (see Qualcomm Quickcharge which can input 5/9/12/15V).
Of course heat is the worst enemy of a battery life, but try not to use it while charging for those 25/30mins needed for a full charge and you'll be good to go.
I hope this clarifies things for people scared of using the boxed charger.
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I was a bit apprehensive about the super vooc at the start but I've only ever used it since I got the phone. I will say it's so much more useful for my use a d I can literally charge it twice a day for 10 to 15 minutes each time.Phone does heat up quite a bit though,like it's warm every time I take it off the charge.
I'm just hoping it will be as quick this time next year and the battery holds out
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Guys it's normal, this phone has a battery made of 2 1950mAh cells that charge in parallel. This means that Accubattery (which reads the stats based on voltage and current) can only read a single cell charge.
I also read some strange comments here, so let's dismantle a myth: SuperVOOC WON'T damage your battery much more than normal fast charging. *1 Having 50W on a single battery would be absurd, instead this power is distributed between the two cells, resulting in a charge of 5V and 5A per cell (pretty standard,*2 5V is super safe because it's the same as the cell voltage, and current is similar to other manufacturer quick charge currents). Having 5V input is also better for heat, because it doesn't need conversion (see Qualcomm Quickcharge which can input 5/9/12/15V).
Of course *3 heat is the worst enemy of a battery life, but try not to use it while charging for those 25/30mins needed for a full charge and you'll be good to go.
I hope this clarifies things for people scared of using the boxed charger.
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*1 - could you elaborate on this here a tad bit more? What is the advantage of pumping power into two cells with total capacity of 4A/h put next to running a single cell with the same amount of power, with the cell being 4A/h too?
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This is simply not true. Mass production liPo cells are manufactured with 3.7V nominal voltage, 3V min. voltage and 4.2V max. voltage. When discharging a li-po cell your under-load voltage wouldn't zap anywhere outside the range of 3 - 4.2 volts at any point. If it did you would be saying ciao to that cell in the upcoming month.
According to what Ive learned past the last 12years of dealing with LiPos in my radio controlled aircrafts and, cell phones, smartphones, battery banks and so on and so on.. I am yet to see a mass production lithium cell whose "cell voltage" is 5 volts..? Sooo.. where do you get that from?
Do you have the kind of information that I am struggling to find on the inet right now? Such as who is the outsourced manufacturer of cells for realme? What is the grouping method of the two cells in our x2pro when charging - parallel or series?
The answer on the later two questions will paint it all as to what can we expect from the battery in our phones for the forseeable future.
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Heat is the result of charging and discharging the cell at higher than usually considered healthy charging and discharging rates. As far as Im concerned I don't think that realme are in possession of any advanced battery tech, and would be much more oriented towards trustworthy tested day in-day out type of chemistry in their batteries. Specially at the price point of my x2pro.
Taking into consideration that I can only conclude that realme are driving these cells at their maximum tolerance of charging current. I would be pretty entertained if the juice in this device is satisfactory past the 2 year mark. And shocked at the same time.
This has been spoke about before by oppo themselves and is available on the internet, it's 2x batteries at 2000mah each... The batteries are charged at the same time but independently and each battery is monitored at all times for heat etc... Total voltage is split between both to not apply to much pressure and as the batteries are 2000mah each it's obviously Parallel as you get total 4000mah.
Realme x2 pro has two batteries
Hey guys hope you are aware that realme x2 pro has 2 batteries of approximately 2000mah each and not one single 4000mah battery. That is what gives it the charging speed and the battery health is not affected because of the ingenious way VOOC works. You can watch the video on youtube. AccuBattery is not designed for phones with two batteries. Maybe we can expect compatibility for realme x2 pro in a future update.
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Hey guys hope you are aware that realme x2 pro has 2 batteries of approximately 2000mah each and not one single 4000mah battery. That is what gives it the charging speed and the battery health is not affected because of the ingenious way VOOC works. You can watch the video on youtube. AccuBattery is not designed for phones with two batteries. Maybe we can expect compatibility for realme x2 pro in a future update.
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Just declare it as 2000 mAh and you're good.
Hi there, I am asking about which charger is better for the long-term battery life
I am the kind of person that change my phone every 3 - 4 years or when the phone is no longer supported by security updates, so battery life is a concern here
I have my old wired charger of S8+ and I bought Samsung wireless convertible 9W charger, I usually charge at night while sleeping so I don't mind the slow speed of wireless charger, I only use wired if I am in a hurry and forget to charge the day before.
I googled about this, some people say wireless charger is bad, others say wired is bad
Which one would be better for battery life?
Thanks in advance and have all a great day.
Slow wired charge 40 to 80%. 10 to 18w slow charge is fine.
Personally I'd avoid anything that warms up the battery more and/or for longer than needed.
To learn more about batteries (all kinds of chemistries) go here.
In a nutshell:
1. The warmer the battery gets the worst it is. I don't remember the exact temperatures, but I think 20-25 °C is desireble.
2. The longer the battery stays warmer than desirable, the worse.
So wireless charging is the worst of both: warms up the battery higher than normal (especially when considering how little power actually goes through) and it keeps the battery warm longer because charging is slower.
So I would ALWAYS charge wired, usually between 20 and 80 %, using a slow charger as often as possible.