Google Plus Link:
https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts/LH4PPgVrKVN
Amazon link to reviews
http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member...isplay=public&page=1&sort_by=MostRecentReview
This could be a great reference tool to make sure you get a properly working, up to spec cable.
I got a value priced USB-C <-> USB A cable, but fortunately I'm just using it for quick data syncs to a laptop. I think I'll hold off on getting another one that I'd use with a charger until more of his reviews come out.
Good info in there, spotted this doing the rounds earlier.
Also worth noting that he is essentially saying that USB A to C cables should never charge at 3A, but only from 0.5A to 2.4A via "Default USB Power".
So, people looking for A->C cables specifically for 3A could be risking the health of their charger&/device.
Its not the device thats in any danger just to clear this up, its only the charger and a ton of other fail safes would have to fail as well. The likely hood of anything happening is practically nill! You can also pretty much thank OnePlus for this as all the cables that aren't in compliance basically copied the OnePlus 2's USB-C cable as it was the first one out and unfortunately the OP cable doesn't meet the standard lol I have been using the Orzly multipack with my OnePlus 2 for months and since last week on my Nexus 6P no issues. Personally i think its all been blown out of the water!
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Also worth noting that he is essentially saying that USB A to C cables should never charge at 3A, but only from 0.5A to 2.4A via "Default USB Power".
So, people looking for A->C cables specifically for 3A could be risking the health of their charger&/device.
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That was the biggest takeaway for me as well. I didn't know 3A wasn't possible with Type A to C. Good to know.
This one was given to me to test and review. It has a stated max of 2.1A which falls under the correct spec as described for type-C to type-A.
http://www.amazon.com/TechMatte%C2%AE-Charging-Google-OnePlus-Zenpad/dp/B01706YAXY/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8
I was able to get it to report up to a max of 2.2A with a 2.4A charger in the Ampere app which goes over its rated max spec. Not sure if that is perfectly accurate though.
I have the one plus cable. Is my device at risk? I couldn't care less about the crappy old 1.5v Samsung wall adapter it is attached to.
Is the only thing at risk is my old, useless wall adapter? If that's the case I will probably keep using the one plus cable.
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_jordan_ said:
I have the one plus cable. Is my device at risk? I couldn't care less about the crappy old 1.5v Samsung wall adapter it is attached to.
Is the only thing at risk is my old, useless wall adapter? If that's the case I will probably keep using the one plus cable.
Sent from my Nexus 5X
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It sounds as if the charger, hub, USB ports, etc are what's at risk. Not the phone. Apparently the phone tries to pull 3 amps and if the device on the other end isn't rated to do so, then it can get damaged.
Hmm. I thought the usb type A connection couldn't do 3 amps. Even if the charger were rated for three amps, would the cable be able to transmit that much?
Also, can anyone else confirm if the phone is at risk, or just the cable and wall adapter/pc port?
Sent from my Nexus 5X
From an electrical standpoint the phone is not at risk. Everything else in the chain is potentially at risk of failure or even fire.
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From an electrical standpoint the phone is not at risk. Everything else in the chain is potentially at risk of failure or even fire.
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Yep - I'm scared of these cables flaunting faulty USB standards. Nothing worse than burning your place down!
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This one was given to me to test and review. It has a stated max of 2.1A which falls under the correct spec as described for type-C to type-A.
http://www.amazon.com/TechMatte%C2%AE-Charging-Google-OnePlus-Zenpad/dp/B01706YAXY/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8
I was able to get it to report up to a max of 2.2A with a 2.4A charger in the Ampere app which goes over its rated max spec. Not sure if that is perfectly accurate though.
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Considering the techmatte usb converter failed the test, I'd expect the cables do as well.
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Considering the techmatte usb converter failed the test, I'd expect the cables do as well.
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IF you look at the specs, they state the cable max is 2.1A not 3A... so for whatever reason, my advanced smart charger had some sort of pullup and wasnt tricked with its connection into a 3A draw. Would be nice if it were tested though. From all my tests, I could never get it to go as high as 2.4A with a 2.4A chrager... Ampere only reported 2.2A which is within range of its stated max of 2.1a give or take for Ampere reporting error.
All that said, Benson stated that this is only likely an issue for anyone using these cables to charge from an older source, like a PC or old charger and that newer chargers all likely have brownout safety that simply shuts the charger down until it cools off, in which case you should see Ampere report the charger starting and stopping continually during the charge cycle.
Does this mean I should stop using my techmatte adapters?
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Ugh, got the OnePlus cable and power adapter (wall charger). Any recommendations for a proper power adapter or would it not matter?
DustinDep said:
Its not the device thats in any danger just to clear this up, its only the charger and a ton of other fail safes would have to fail as well. The likely hood of anything happening is practically nill! You can also pretty much thank OnePlus for this as all the cables that aren't in compliance basically copied the OnePlus 2's USB-C cable as it was the first one out and unfortunately the OP cable doesn't meet the standard lol I have been using the Orzly multipack with my OnePlus 2 for months and since last week on my Nexus 6P no issues. Personally i think its all been blown out of the water!
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There's nothing being blown out of the water here. Non SPEC cables should not be used in non quick charge USB hubs. And the likelihood of something happening is way above nil. There are already people reporting that their charging hubs are failing from using out of spec cables to charge their devices.
If you have an out of spec cable, its safe to use in a quick charge hub. It's not wise to use it in an old galaxy S3 charger..
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Does this mean I should stop using my techmatte adapters?
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Depends on the charger and what sort of performance you are experiencing, but for sure DO NOT use with a standard USB port on a PC or any older chargers.
IF I were you, I would get the Ampere app running and see if the charging cycle drops off and then restarts frequently and then also check to see how hot the charger is getting. IF you have a smart(er) charger, it will likely sense the amp overage and shut itself down until cooling off.
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Ugh, got the OnePlus cable and power adapter (wall charger). Any recommendations for a proper power adapter or would it not matter?
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Your fine with that combo OnePlus designed them to go together!
I have the spigen C to A cables. They're hit or miss when plugged into my 2.1 A car charger, Sometimes it works sometimes nothing.
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Depends on the charger and what sort of performance you are experiencing, but for sure DO NOT use with a standard USB port on a PC or any older chargers.
IF I were you, I would get the Ampere app running and see if the charging cycle drops off and then restarts frequently and then also check to see how hot the charger is getting. IF you have a smart(er) charger, it will likely sense the amp overage and shut itself down until cooling off.
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I would assume no matter what adapter you use and as long as you don't care charge time, as long as phone is showing "charging slowly", we should be safe from issues right?
Since the current would be so low and should stay within most chargers' range.
It's only when phone shows "charging rapidly", we should be concerned if phone is drawing more current than adapter was designed to do.
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I would assume no matter what adapter you use and as long as you don't care charge time, as long as phone is showing "charging slowly", we should be safe from issues right?
Since the current would be so low and should stay within most chargers' range.
It's only when phone shows "charging rapidly", we should be concerned if phone is drawing more current than adapter was designed to do.
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I can't confirm if the messaging reliably tells you what is happening with your charger. IF your charger is in process of melting and catching fire, I suppose it could report as "charging slowly" at the same time for a while. I guess it is also possible that messaging means it has negotiated a default basic low amp USB handshake. An app like Ampere might be abkle to show you if it is steady and low vs overheating and shutting down, cooling and then trying to start again.
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Hi,
I just stuck here, cause I found a thread about fast usb charging. But there is no answers or solutions.
I have many htc devices. It seems that some of them has a problem with 3rd party usb chargers.
My most used device is Universal. It suck a lot of power. THis one doesn't enable usb charging at all, until you put it in sleep mode before pluging the charger.
Anyway, the same issue for Kaiser too.
The problem is, that it doesn't matter how much current is the charger able to deliver. They just use some kind of recognition of original chargers.
What I already measured: Original charger and universal running => takes 1200mA. 3rd party charger or my 5A PSU => Universal/Kaiser sucks just 500mA.
This is fast/slow charge. I found here discussion about 4 and 5 pins shorted??
But WTF which 4 & 5 pin?
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2006/09/10/htc_hermes_usb_connector_pin_config
According to this pinout. It would be 2 GND of Audio side? I'm not sure that original charger use extUSB audio side to charge...? It also could be D & A pins, but I'm afraid to connect 5V to Data- pin.
Anyway, someone here have to know it.
If not, in a few days I'll try all possible combinations and post the results.
Thanks
Shef
I'd also be interested to know about this. When I charge my TYTN II via USB, it takes much longer to charge than if I charge it via the mains charger (I prefer USB since I travel a lot and it's one less charger I need to carry around).
Better still, is it possible to buy a USB cable that will charge at the same rate as the mains charger rather than messing with a USB cable with the associated risks?
Best,
Gary.
Shef said:
Hi,
What I already measured: Original charger and universal running => takes 1200mA. 3rd party charger or my 5A PSU => Universal/Kaiser sucks just 500mA.
This is fast/slow charge. I found here discussion about 4 and 5 pins shorted??
But WTF which 4 & 5 pin?
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2006/09/10/htc_hermes_usb_connector_pin_config
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a usb port only supplies 500ma, while the wall charger does 1200ma as the OP has measured (although it says 1A at the back of the charger). changing a cable is not gonna superpower up your usb port.
unless maybe you get hold of a forked USB cable, like the one that Seagate Free Agent drives come supplied with... you know, 1 mini USB splitting halfway down to two normal USB plugs.
Worth experimenting with, do you think?
wyrm said:
unless maybe you get hold of a forked USB cable, like the one that Seagate Free Agent drives come supplied with... you know, 1 mini USB splitting halfway down to two normal USB plugs.
Worth experimenting with, do you think?
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good call.......with a little googling i came up with this
http://www.universaluk.com/acatalog...2_x_Type_A_to_mini_B__USB_2_0__1m__Lindy.html
tried ebay, my brief search came up with lots of unrelated results, so i gave up
I got one of those leads, came with my portable 2.5" hard drive. Just tried the lead on my Tytn 2 and it does charge almost as fast as the mains plug
Success
Ok, so, I tried to experiment.
Here you go.
Usb simple cable 480ma charge.
The same result with Motorola charger.
Motorola charger pins A and B short circuit - 890mA.
That's much better, althrough I suppose it can suck more current then 890mA, but it's significantly better.
THere is also pins data+ and data- short circuited (I don't know if it has effect, but I can't disconnect it in this connector).
Apparently NC (not connected) pin on our pinout schematics definitely is connected.
With % of charged battery it suck less and less current....I suppose it's usual, this should be even driven by ROM.
So, update your cables
It works even with car charger, so no more charger problems...
Shef
Just to be clear - you took a Motorola USB cable and shorted pins A and B (which are which by the way?) and it provides a decent current....
How do you short the pins? I've looked in the end of cable and I can hardly see the pins, let alone short them! What's the trick here or have I missed something?
Thanks,
Gary.
Shef said:
Ok, so, I tried to experiment.
Here you go.
Usb simple cable 480ma charge.
The same result with Motorola charger.
Motorola charger pins A and B short circuit - 890mA.
That's much better, althrough I suppose it can suck more current then 890mA, but it's significantly better.
THere is also pins data+ and data- short circuited (I don't know if it has effect, but I can't disconnect it in this connector).
Apparently NC (not connected) pin on our pinout schematics definitely is connected.
With % of charged battery it suck less and less current....I suppose it's usual, this should be even driven by ROM.
So, update your cables
It works even with car charger, so no more charger problems...
Shef
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Also interested in how to short the pins. I use Navizon, bluetooth HSDPA tethering, and iGuidance while on the ambulance and even my iGo 3A max rated charger can barely keep up because the tilt wont accept all of the available current.
So have anyone found a way to fast charge our ppc through usb??
Yes, that is correct. Short pins 4 & 5 (4 is normally NC) to enable fast-charging. If you do it correctly, the phone shouldn't pick up tethering, and therefore should not say "PC Connected" or the like..
The TracyAndMatt pinout is wrongly numbered. The pin assignments are correct, but the number/letter scheme they used is incorrect. True ExtUSB pinout translation to their pinout is as follows:
T & M Real ExtUSB
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Pins E D C B A = 1 2 3 4 5
Pins 1 2 3 4 5 6 = 6 7 8 9 10 11
The way I remember is that the corner opposite the angled one is where pin 1 starts (where E is on the T&M pinout) - and they go like most IEC-standard connectors, in a clock-like circular numbering scheme.
Here's a better pinout: http://pinouts.ru/PDA/htc_extUSB_pinout.shtml
Hope this helps!
--W5i2
its the milliamps that is the problem even doubling up with a y splitter does not do much Find a charger with the most milliamps for a faster charge 1.2 amps works best and as far as i know no usb port puts out that much even if they are wired in a series. Many try to sell lower amp chargers they dont even know about it at att. if the screen is off they will charge but not well these phones are energy hogs. I must have at least twenty chargers and messed around with them... the original or one of highest amperage works for me.
Check winhlp.com/node/855 for the answer.
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/* A9 reports USB charging when helf AC cable in and China AC charger. */
/* Work arround: notify userspace AC charging first,
and notify USB charging again when receiving usb connected notificaiton from usb driver. *
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I find this annoying. I can't tell if my wall charger is fast charging or not because the G1 always says "AC"
hgmichna said:
Check winhlp.com/node/855 for the answer.
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That is not going to help HTC owners.
HTC charging cable
kiss_se said:
That is not going to help HTC owners.
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http://winhlp.com/node/855 was explicitly written for HTC smartphone owners.
hgmichna said:
[...] was explicitly written for HTC smartphone owners.
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Sorry, I meant to say: That is not going to help extusb owners.
hgmichna said:
Check winhlp.com/node/855 for the answer.
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Is it possible to get one of the 'fast charge' enabled USB cables on eBay or elsewhere? I am not keen on doing the mod described.
What is the maximum mAh recommended for HTC devices? Is it still 1.2 A or more?
zurpher said:
Is it possible to get one of the 'fast charge' enabled USB cables on eBay or elsewhere? I am not keen on doing the mod described.
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Check http://winhlp.com/node/855#qaes for the only buyable solution I know, besides compatible chargers. Your best bet is probably the original HTC charger, available for roughly $10.
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What is the maximum mAh recommended for HTC devices? Is it still 1.2 A or more?
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There can be no recommended maximum mAh. There can only be a required current, which differs from device to device. Check Ohm's Law. The device determines how much current it draws. If the charger cannot deliver that current, then the charging process can fail in various ways, all undesirable.
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Check http://winhlp.com/node/855#qaes for the only buyable solution I know, besides compatible chargers. Your best bet is probably the original HTC charger, available for roughly $10.
There can be no recommended maximum mAh. There can only be a required current, which differs from device to device. Check Ohm's Law. The device determines how much current it draws. If the charger cannot deliver that current, then the charging process can fail in various ways, all undesirable.
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Could the USB Switching 2A Power Charger Adapter Convertor Plug be similar in function to the one that you've linked?
zurpher said:
Could the USB Switching 2A Power Charger Adapter Convertor Plug be similar in function to the one that you've linked?
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I don't know, but probably not. Apple used to use a different signalling scheme involving resistors.
I haven't seen a thread that addresses this specifically:
After reading the threads in this section, it seems that the consensus is that the "fast charging" aspect of the NC is based on extra pins in the special NC cable. When connected to any charger with 1.9amps or greater, you will get the fast charge.
My experience is different.
Using the OEM NC cable:
1. Connected to OEM charger, stock ROM - settings say charging, flashes an icon with charging percent on connection and removal
2. Connected to OEM charger, CM7 - settings say Charging (AC).
3. Connected to 2.1 and 2.0 amp chargers, stock - settings say Not Charging.
4. Connected to 2.1 and 2.0 amp chargers, CM7 - settings say Charging (USB)
Using the generic microusb cables (2 or 3 tried):
1. Connected to OEM charger, stock ROM - Can't remember, but not going back to stock!
2. Connected to OEM charger, CM7 - settings say Charging (AC).
3. Connected to 2.1 and 2.0 amp chargers, stock - settings say Not Charging.
4. Connected to 2.1 and 2.0 amp chargers, CM7 - settings say Charging (USB)
This seems to imply that the OEM charger is required to really use the extra pins in the NC OEM cable. Can anyone test and confirm this?
Alan
The nook charger puts out almost 2A of power, where normal usb chargers and ports on computer only put out 500mA. The cable that the nook comes with has some terminations in it that allow the nook to tell when it is connected to the nook charger. It will charge at a much faster rate when using the combination of the charger and cable that came with the nook. Replace either the cable or the charger with anything else and you get low power charging mode which is very slow.
Nook Charger
I keep seeing reports of people getting a fast charge using various other equipment, as long as the chargers are rated >= 1.9A.
Can anyone confirm or deny this? Any testing?
As long as a charger puts out near 2A of current, it should work. The charger itself is just a four pin USB charger. The cable itself... lots of pins in the connector to the NC.
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As long as a charger puts out near 2A of current, it should work. The charger itself is just a four pin USB charger. The cable itself... lots of pins in the connector to the NC.
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That's what everyone's been saying, but it doesn't work that way in my testing. I have tried 3rd party chargers that output 2.0 and 2.1A, using the OEM cable. None of them are recognized as an AC charger. If we knew how the NC knows when it's connected to the original charger, we could find a way to modify something available at WalMart to quick charge our NC's. There's plenty of Ipad chargers (2.1A) available. The one I have doesn't work, though.
Alan
Update to my previous post:
When I got home from work I tested my ipad charger (2.1A) with the nook color cable and it seemed to act like the nook charger. I did not think any charger but the nc one would work, but it seems it does.
I am jealous. My Ipad charger (OEM) paired with the nook cable shows Charging (USB) under Settings --->About Tablet--->Status. I would love know how to get it to say Charging (AC) .
Alan
Keep your eyes open people...as soon as I return to work and have extra cash I plan on ordering and tearing down a charger and cable. Many have noticed poor quality in the chargers..I'm gonna try to engineer an open DIY charger and cable replacement with better filtering components. Hopefully will be creating a thread with full details in 3 weeks...
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Keep your eyes open people...as soon as I return to work and have extra cash I plan on ordering and tearing down a charger and cable. Many have noticed poor quality in the chargers..I'm gonna try to engineer an open DIY charger and cable replacement with better filtering components. Hopefully will be creating a thread with full details in 3 weeks...
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YAY! I have my soldering station warming up.
Cheers,
kev
yep, this is overdue...plugged in last night...almost burned my hand after an hour of charging. I keep my charger by the bed and the hum is just annoying when I'm feeling a bit restless.
Is there a way to identify problem chargers?
There must be some real inconsistency in the charger build quality. I've never noticed mine gets more than just a tiny bit warm and no humming. I wonder if there was a bad lot of them made? I was trying to look at the charger to see if there is a lot # or such, but can't tell what half the darned thing says. I'm posting a pic of the text on my charger in the hopes we can figure out if there is some way to identify problem chargers.
Edit: My nc came from WalMart.
Well there is a difference in the markings at least...The area circled in red...On mine it is R1101.
Still made in China
Edit: BTW my unit came from Walmart. Not sure if there would be any accounting for things like that.
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Keep your eyes open people...as soon as I return to work and have extra cash I plan on ordering and tearing down a charger and cable. Many have noticed poor quality in the chargers..I'm gonna try to engineer an open DIY charger and cable replacement with better filtering components. Hopefully will be creating a thread with full details in 3 weeks...
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Sounds great. The simple tests I have done have yielded more quetions then answers.
Looking forward to your data.
ive noticed i cant transfer data on anything other than the nook cable.
The NC cable is special. It wont fit other devices.
described over here....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nook_Color
Charging the NC on a regular microUSB means much longer time.
swaaye said:
The NC cable is special. It wont fit other devices.
described over here....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nook_Color
Charging the NC on a regular microUSB means much longer time.
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Yeah, this much is well known...my plan is to find out if there are "brains" in the charger or if it's just a high amp USB adapter. If the latter is true( which I suspect), then it's easy peasy to make a high power port( or just buy a quality one). If it has special circuitry...then I get to try and replicate it( with better parts) and release the plans so others can make DIY replacements.
Edit: I'm willing to bet that the extra pins in the cable are just to increase contact surface...to handle the higher amperage.
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ive noticed i cant transfer data on anything other than the nook cable.
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That is totally wrong, since other cables WILL transfer data just fine. I use an LG Micro USB cable from my old dare, and am able to ADB push, install, etc just fine.
As it is, the large end of the Nook's USB cable is normal; this means that if the nook is communicating, it is doing so over the standard USB data ports, and not through some special connection. Keep in mind that some of the extra pins from the micro side are for the status light that is built in.
Hmm R1102 here showing 1.9A output
I'm curious.. some people have talked about warranty replacements. What R versions are those?
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That is totally wrong, since other cables WILL transfer data just fine. I use an LG Micro USB cable from my old dare, and am able to ADB push, install, etc just fine.
As it is, the large end of the Nook's USB cable is normal; this means that if the nook is communicating, it is doing so over the standard USB data ports, and not through some special connection. Keep in mind that some of the extra pins from the micro side are for the status light that is built in.
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Hmm....hadn't thought of that...that charger almost has to be dumb...just higher output...the smarts all have to be in the USB/power management chip in the nook. Those extra pins must be for the led and maybe a few for handling the higher amperage. Need to check out the spec sheet for that chip again...
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Why does it HAVE to be dumb? I mean, the charger needs to do nothing more than respond to a ping, saying "Hey, im a Nook charger, take me for a 1.9A ride!". I guess that makes it dumb, but no reason said technology won't be in the charger.
I've managed to find some chargers (both car and wall) that will charge with 1800mA (according to Galaxy Charging Lite app).
I have not managed to find an aftermarket cable that will charge at more than 1amp. Anyone know of an aftermarket cable that actually is capable of 1800mA? I've tried nGear and monoprice, and while they are very well constructed cables, they will only charge at 1amp or less with the n7100
Thanks for the help in advance, but please only respond to this if you've actually tested the cable with with the Galaxy Charging app or a current meter of some sort. I'm not interested in cables that only work anecdotally.
-PW
I'm breaking your rules (gasp) but as far as I'm aware, it's not the cable that manages the charge, it's the power adapter that feeds the usb, right? I've used all sorts of random cables on my travels for work, but always sticking to my 2+ amp output charger, and they've always worked.
pacificwing said:
I've managed to find some chargers (both car and wall) that will charge with 1800mA (according to Galaxy Charging Lite app).
I have not managed to find an aftermarket cable that will charge at more than 1amp. Anyone know of an aftermarket cable that actually is capable of 1800mA? I've tried nGear and monoprice, and while they are very well constructed cables, they will only charge at 1amp or less with the n7100
Thanks for the help in advance, but please only respond to this if you've actually tested the cable with with the Galaxy Charging app or a current meter of some sort. I'm not interested in cables that only work anecdotally.
-PW
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Find a very short cable and you'll see rates up to 2100 ma (as measure by battery monitor widget). I use the short usb cable that came with my jambox combined with the the phones stock charger. The charger gets so hot due to the high current that I worry if it might burn out. The cable is very short, like 6 inches. I use this one when i need a quick bump before going out.
At this low of voltage plus high current, the shielding on most cables is not enough to protect against the voltage fluctuations caused by the high magnetic field. The longer the cable the more shielding is needed. Additionally, the cable shielding gets less effective as the cable gets older due to general wear. My original usb cable can only due around 740 - 1250ma, where it used to do 1800ma when new nearly 2 years ago.
If you could find a cable where there the positive and negative wires are separated in parallel strands like traditional AC power cords, it would also help. I have a cheap charger with built in cord like this and it charges consistently fast.
Jarm3r said:
I'm breaking your rules (gasp) but as far as I'm aware, it's not the cable that manages the charge, it's the power adapter that feeds the usb, right? I've used all sorts of random cables on my travels for work, but always sticking to my 2+ amp output charger, and they've always worked.
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Most USB cables will work with the charger, but some cables (usually longer or smaller gauge wires) will restrict the charge to a lower amperage. I still haven't quite figured out how the phone knows what cable is being used, because, realistically, in a simple DC circuit, the consequence of using a cable that is too small is heating up or burning out. A cable that is too small alone will not prevent too much amperage from going through itself. This is why they invented fuses. Somehow the phone detects the gauge/length of cable being used and restricts the amperage being pulled from the charger by changing its own resistance on the circuit.
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Find a very short cable and you'll see rates up to 2100 ma (as measure by battery monitor widget). I use the short usb cable that came with my jambox combined with the the phones stock charger. The charger gets so hot due to the high current that I worry if it might burn out. The cable is very short, like 6 inches. I use this one when i need a quick bump before going out.
At this low of voltage plus high current, the shielding on most cables is not enough to protect against the voltage fluctuations caused by the high magnetic field. The longer the cable the more shielding is needed. Additionally, the cable shielding gets less effective as the cable gets older due to general wear. My original usb cable can only due around 740 - 1250ma, where it used to do 1800ma when new nearly 2 years ago.
If you could find a cable where there the positive and negative wires are separated in parallel strands like traditional AC power cords, it would also help. I have a cheap charger with built in cord like this and it charges consistently fast.
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I suspect you're right. The impedance of a cable is the only thing that would change over a period of time that would result in a cable that could once pull 2A to start pulling less than that. Still, it would be nice to have a list of chargers/cables that consistently pull 2A before dropping $15-$30 on one of them. There exists such a list on this forum, but it is filled with comments like "It's good enough for me", without any real data as to what performance they are getting. Hence my rules above.
The charge rate depends on your kernal not the cable. I use Agni and get over 2 amp charges from a USB cable I paid 12 cents shipped for on eBay.
I purchased this cable about two weeks ago and it delivers!! I can charge my 9300mah Zero Lemon battery from 0-100 in just under 4 hours. Stock battery in about 1.5-2hrs. Of course I'm using a 2.1 amp charger, but NONE of my other cables come close. I'm averaging 1800-1900mah charge rate with it. Next highest rate cord only gets about 1200 max. I plan on ordering 2-3 more. $5 and change with PRIME.
2.1A Micro USB Sync & Charging Cable (1M) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009Z94PV2/ref=cm_sw_r_udp_awd_7MD2tb08CY1N7R0J
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I purchased this cable about two weeks ago and it delivers!! I can charge my 9300mah Zero Lemon battery from 0-100 in just under 4 hours. Stock battery in about 1.5-2hrs. Of course I'm using a 2.1 amp charger, but NONE of my other cables come close. I'm averaging 1800-1900mah charge rate with it. Next highest rate cord only gets about 1200 max. I plan on ordering 2-3 more. $5 and change with PRIME.
2.1A Micro USB Sync & Charging Cable (1M) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009Z94PV2/ref=cm_sw_r_udp_awd_7MD2tb08CY1N7R0J
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Thank you! This is exactly the type of review I was looking for!
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Check this out. http://voyager8.blogspot.com/2013/04/how-to-choose-good-usb-data-and.htmlI found it while looking for the 6ft cable I used to use until it shorted from heavy use (bending a lot) and I got a pack of 10 short flat wire style 3ft cables. My 6ft one has a ferrite end and printed on it: 28agw/1p and 26awg/2c. It could handle 2A just fine, but this requires any wall outlet adapter that can output that amperage. The oem outlet adapter that comes with the phone says 2.0A output, but you can fine any 'reliable' one that has 2.0A output.
if the original cable is not 1800mA, there must be a reason
Get one of these
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=5457&seq=1&format=2
anyone have this cable... or know if it is a 28AWG/1P + 24AWG/2C (i.e., 24AWG/2C for charging)
http://www.amazon.com/Mediabridge-U.../B004GF8TIK/ref=pd_cp_e_1/186-6092214-7798820
Hi
Hard to get something original for samsung nowadays
I have those monoprice cables but get different results every time I plug in (1698ma, 1300ma, 600ma, 460ma, etc...)
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I purchased this cable about two weeks ago and it delivers!! I can charge my 9300mah Zero Lemon battery from 0-100 in just under 4 hours. Stock battery in about 1.5-2hrs. Of course I'm using a 2.1 amp charger, but NONE of my other cables come close. I'm averaging 1800-1900mah charge rate with it. Next highest rate cord only gets about 1200 max. I plan on ordering 2-3 more. $5 and change with PRIME.
2.1A Micro USB Sync & Charging Cable (1M) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009Z94PV2/ref=cm_sw_r_udp_awd_7MD2tb08CY1N7R0J
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Which 2.1 amp charger are you using? I have one for my car, looking for one for home use. I also have the 9300mah ZeroLemon battery in my T-Mobile Note 2. Thanks!
Asquared said:
Which 2.1 amp charger are you using? I have one for my car, looking for one for home use. I also have the 9300mah ZeroLemon battery in my T-Mobile Note 2. Thanks!
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I was using the 2A charger that came with my Nexus tablet. But I bought an additional one for work.
iXCC ® Dual USB 4.2 Amp (20 Watt) SMART High Capacity [High Power] ... http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HPTU0OU/ref=cm_sw_r_udp_awd_PR7.tb01EM5CB
$11.99 thru PRIME.
Had this one for almost 3 months now and it works VERY well. I get a full 1900-2000mah charge rate on the Note2 and can charge my tablet at quick speeds simultaneously.
ElDuez said:
The charge rate depends on your kernal not the cable. I use Agni and get over 2 amp charges from a USB cable I paid 12 cents shipped for on eBay.
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some fake cable limit current.
Got similar problems as the OP. I wanted to charge my phone in my car and using the phone as a navigation device without depleting the battery (which occured a few time).
Tried several usb cables, even did some mods like shorting the white and green data wire in the cabel at the phone side, but that all didn't help.
Then i came to Kopi who sells usb cables which can deliver a full current.
http://kopi-d.com/?recent_works=553
Bought a few for 6 dollar each and am now a happy camper.
shizuku said:
Got similar problems as the OP. I wanted to charge my phone in my car and using the phone as a navigation device without depleting the battery (which occured a few time).
Tried several usb cables, even did some mods like shorting the white and green data wire in the cabel at the phone side, but that all didn't help.
Then i came to Kopi who sells usb cables which can deliver a full current.
http://kopi-d.com/?recent_works=553
Bought a few for 6 dollar each and am now a happy camper.
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We're sorry, but there are no items available in the Micro USB (Android) category lol on the web site
linkhunter said:
We're sorry, but there are no items available in the Micro USB (Android) category lol on the web site
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I just saw it. Why don't you email them and ask about availability? I had contact with Victor Leung ([email protected]).
Has anyone had issues using Anker PowerIQ chargers with the Nexus 5X? I've purchased an Anker 2nd Gen Astro E4 13000mAh 2-Port (3A Output) and when connected to the Nexus 5X it keeps connecting and disconnecting. It does not appear to be a cable issue (my old 2A charger works fine through the same cable). Meanwhile the Anker charges the old Nexus 5 without any issue - it's just the Nexus 5X that seems to experience problems.
I'm wondering whether it's Anker's PowerIQ having trouble working out the correct power draw for the Nexus 5X. If anyone's had similar issues with PowerIQ or other chargers, I'd love to hear potential fixes or confirmation that I'll need to switch it out for something else.
I have encountered the exact same issue with the Anker Astro E4 battery. At first I figured it was the cheap Aliexpress USB-A to C cable I was using, but I think you're onto something about the PowerIQ not knowing how to negotiate with the 5X correctly. I contacted Anker Support on Twitter yesterday and was told to contact [email protected] about the issue. I haven't yet pursued that avenue, but I'll update once I have.
I don't think I have any issue with my PowerIQ non-quick charging 6 port desktop charger or 2-port battery park (15600 mah)
I have the same issue with my Nexus 5X. After I posted a negative review due to this on Amazon, Anker reached out to me and has shipped one of their 4 port chargers which they think will resolve the issue. We shall see...
It still could be a cable issue. The difference is that your Anker may contain smarter charging tech inside and it is self regulating what the cable is asking for (possibly 3A) when it cant really deliver that. With your other charger, it is possible it is blindly delivering an overcharge for its rated max and may brown out soon if not over time.
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It still could be a cable issue. The difference is that your Anker may contain smarter charging tech inside and it is self regulating what the cable is asking for (possibly 3A) when it cant really deliver that. With your other charger, it is possible it is blindly delivering an overcharge for its rated max and may brown out soon if not over time.
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In my case, I'm 99% certain it's not the cable, as I'm using an OEM / Google A->C cable.
Andeh23 said:
In my case, I'm 99% certain it's not the cable, as I'm using an OEM / Google A->C cable.
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Does fast charging display with that cable?
fosser2 said:
Does fast charging display with that cable?
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I honestly don't know, as I don't have an OEM type A wall charger to test it with. I would assume so, since it came from Google. I did receive Anker's 4 port car charger last night, but need to wait until this evening commute (once my battery drains) to see whether it works. Plugging it in this morning showed just "charging" when I was at 98%, but it wasn't cutting in and out like the 2 port one was.
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I honestly don't know, as I don't have an OEM type A wall charger to test it with. I would assume so, since it came from Google. I did receive Anker's 4 port car charger last night, but need to wait until this evening commute (once my battery drains) to see whether it works. Plugging it in this morning showed just "charging" when I was at 98%, but it wasn't cutting in and out like the 2 port one was.
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My OEM cable is on its way as well. If you get a chance to test it on a different charger later on, please post the results. I would love to see that OEM cable say "charging rapidly."
Followup: I tested the Anker 4 port charger with the OEM Google A->C cable, and it does register as "charging rapidly." Using Ampere, I measured 1340 mA / 4.08 V peak to it. I also tested my new Tronsmart charger (with built-in USB C cable), which measured 1710 mA / 3.903 V peak.
I have same disconnect issues with aukey quickcharge battery pack
After a little back and forth with Anker email support, they are sending me an Anker PowerCore+ 10050 USB-C Battery Pack as a replacement for the Astro E2 not charging the 5x correctly - at no charge! Very impressed. It's been shipped but I haven't received it yet - from what I can tell spec-wise it has native USB Type C and A ports, but I can't yet confirm if this can fast charge the 5x at the same output as the stock wall charger.
I'll report back once I've had time to test.
sounds like an combo issue of the cable and battery pack/charger.
have you guys seen the thread about a google engineer (benson leung) reviewing usb -c cables?
basically usb-c standard cables should have a resistor in them which the phone uses to detect if the charger is able to supply 3A or not. without this (most cables seem to not have this, including the oneplus one) the phone thinks it can draw 3A and tries to do so. this can result in damaging you charger as that is more than it can produce. but apparently it can also damage components in your phone as the current it thinks it is receiving is higher than the actual current being received.
The disconnection issue sounds like the charger has a protection mechanism and realizes the phone is trying to draw more power than it can provide, so it cuts off to prevent overloading.
I tried the PowerDrive 2 and it has the same isse where it charges for a few seconds, stops, then charges for a few seconds, etc. I emailed thier support but have not heard back.
I have the same issue with Aukey PA-12, tried two different cables. The charger works fine with my wife's quick charging phone.... I hope it is a kernel issue that can be fixed. The original Google charger works flawlessly.
The 3 foot cable was confirmed working on the op3 forum, I have not tried that one but I have personally bought and tested the 6 foot and can confirm that it supports dash charging. At 6 bucks this is a very inexpensive option to extend the stock cable. It also fits very tightly and I am not worried about it coming apart. (At least for now.)
Amazon
These are good news! Thanks!
hmm its a pretty long cable, would it affect the charging speed ?
if yes how much in terms of charging from 0-50 and 0-100 compared to the stock cable without extension
I have a 6ft monoprice extension that allows the phone to register dash charge but still only charges at standard rate. It's like the AC adapter can still tell the difference.
biglilsteve said:
I have a 6ft monoprice extension that allows the phone to register dash charge but still only charges at standard rate. It's like the AC adapter can still tell the difference.
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It seems to charge quite a bit quicker than the 6ft type C cable I have.
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It seems to charge quite a bit quicker than the 6ft type C cable I have.
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You ever check out an app like Ampere to see what charging rate it registers?
biglilsteve said:
You ever check out an app like Ampere to see what charging rate it registers?
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I have but I figured that the app was wrong because it showed that me using my old i-orange micro with a micro to c adapter and my samsung s7 brick that I was charging at the same speed as with the official dash charger (This being Ampere)
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I have but I figured that the app was wrong because it showed that me using my old i-orange micro with a micro to c adapter and my samsung s7 brick that I was charging at the same speed as with the official dash charger (This being Ampere)
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that's a bumper, ya im sure the 1+ dash charge cable has some kind of chip. an the USB A cable is a bit different if you look inside of it
cssoz said:
that's a bumper, ya im sure the 1+ dash charge cable has some kind of chip. an the USB A cable is a bit different if you look inside of it
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I meant with Ampere both these setups show the same.
Samsung + micro + micro to c adapter
Stock + Stock cable
So I figured the app is not reading dash correctly if that other setup states the same speeds.
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I meant with Ampere both these setups show the same.
Samsung + micro + micro to c adapter
Stock + Stock cable
So I figured the app is not reading dash correctly if that other setup states the same speeds.
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Well does dash charge work then with the extension?
whoamanwtf said:
I meant with Ampere both these setups show the same.
Samsung + micro + micro to c adapter
Stock + Stock cable
So I figured the app is not reading dash correctly if that other setup states the same speeds.
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I'm not sure what you're saying here.
Extension cables work with QC2.0 and 3.0 perfectly fine. I used my monoprice 6ft USB3.0 with my Nexus 6 and it worked fine. Ampere registered about 2300mA with the N6 when quick charging. This was just about the same rating that I achieved with the stock cable and no extension.
The case of the OP3 is different. With the stock cable connected directly to the Dash Charger, Ampere registers about 3300-3400mA. With the 6ft extension in place, the phone shows "Dash Charging" on the lock screen and I get the blue Dash Charge LED charging light, but Ampere only registers about 1300mA charging.
Anyone tried this oppo vooc cable with the dash charge adaptor?
http://www.gearbest.com/samsung-cables-adapters/pp_263177.html
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Anyone tried this oppo vooc cable with the dash charge adaptor?
http://www.gearbest.com/samsung-cables-adapters/pp_263177.html
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this is not usb type C cable so you cant use with OP3
real77055 said:
this is not usb type C cable so you cant use with OP3
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Yes you can with an adapter
Sent from my ONEPLUS A3000 using Tapatalk
biglilsteve said:
I'm not sure what you're saying here.
Extension cables work with QC2.0 and 3.0 perfectly fine. I used my monoprice 6ft USB3.0 with my Nexus 6 and it worked fine. Ampere registered about 2300mA with the N6 when quick charging. This was just about the same rating that I achieved with the stock cable and no extension.
The case of the OP3 is different. With the stock cable connected directly to the Dash Charger, Ampere registers about 3300-3400mA. With the 6ft extension in place, the phone shows "Dash Charging" on the lock screen and I get the blue Dash Charge LED charging light, but Ampere only registers about 1300mA charging.
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If 1300mA then no Dash. You got yar self an answah
Its about the juice not about the info...
BTW... If you get a 20 ft long "Dash cable'' probably the cable resistance will be so high that you could get max 300mA that's why 1+ will never produce 20ft USB..
Arcy]|[Skurwol said:
If 1300mA then no Dash. You got yar self an answah
Its about the juice not about the info...
BTW... If you get a 20 ft long "Dash cable'' probably the cable resistance will be so high that you could get max 300mA that's why 1+ will never produce 20ft USB..
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I wasn't asking anything. I already know dash charge wasn't happening. I just want people to know that even though the phone registers "Dash Charging" on the lockscreen, it isn't really happening with an extension.
Nobody is asking OnePlus to produce a 20ft dash cable. There's just simply no reason why we shouldn't be able to get a 2M cable. The loss due to additional resistance would be negligible.
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Nobody is asking OnePlus to produce a 20ft dash cable. There's just simply no reason why we shouldn't be able to get a 2M cable. The loss due to additional resistance would be negligible.
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I personally hate the 1m (and even more so when it comes to shorter) cables. Can't play with the phone while charging, because no jacks are ever close enough that the cable reaches the closest seating option (orher than the all present floor ) . Even in office the charger is relatively close, but when I answer the phone the cable is too short.
2m would be perfection for me at least. I know it's too long for some, but then again I'm talking about a choice to order one.
And as biglilsteve said, there is no elecro-physical limit to this 2m cable, and if the heating (if resistance grows the cable heats more) should become an issue the cable could be designed to compensate it with thicker copper (and that would be something like 10%+20% thicker I assume)
3010 mA
Just got the 3m Sabrent extension in yesterday and very pleased with the speed. I'll take it.
Screenshot isn't uploading from my phone for some reason but I got 3010 mA on Ampere.
At this point I'm quite confused about it the ability to use a extension. I want to charge my OP3 comfortably. So if I buy a USB 3.0 extension from Anker, Aukey, Amazon Basics or another brand it will charge I know that. But it will be Dash Charge or Traditional charge? Thanks
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At this point I'm quite confused about it the ability to use a extension. I want to charge my OP3 comfortably. So if I buy a USB 3.0 extension from Anker, Aukey, Amazon Basics or another brand it will charge I know that. But it will be Dash Charge or Traditional charge? Thanks
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Don't know about others, but I personally can tell you dash charge works with the extension mentioned in the OP. You lose a couple hundred mA of charging speed, but still get around 3000 mA, which is the speed that QC3.0 runs. Perfectly acceptable!