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So I am planning on buying this magnificent phone but did some thinking while i was showering. Got all these text messages and tempted to text back in the shower. Since the Xperia Z is nearly made out of glass materials; according to Sony viet, I've been wondering is the same thing going to happen to the Xperia Z like the Nexus 4?
For those who already owns the Xperia Z:
It would be a huge problem for those who will have to do imports from another country. How durable are these glass? It can survive heights but how about sudden temperature change?
and one more question, there's no point applying screen protectors if you plan on getting the phone wet right?
As far as I know the Xperia Z's glass should be a bit more durable than the Nexus 4's, but until it hits the market in more countries we won't really know. I'd be surprised if the glass would crack because of temperature changes though.
Applying an extra screenprotector on top of the shatter-proof sheet shouldn't be a problem. It might loosen faster if it gets wet but I don't think you'll notice much difference.
The only difference between them is that Nexus uses Gorilla Glass, and Sony uses tempered glass. As great as Gorilla Glass is, it's hardened properties don't make it temperature resistant. The process of glass tempering, in theory, makes it resistant to sudden temperature changes - they use the same technology to make glass for ovens etc. So I think it shouldn't happen with Xperia, but we'll never know unless somebody takes time and money to make a test.
Screen protectors shouldn't be bothered by water. If they're static, then they'll stay on. Those that use glue might start to peel off after a while.
Ambroos said:
As far as I know the Xperia Z's glass should be a bit more durable than the Nexus 4's, but until it hits the market in more countries we won't really know. I'd be surprised if the glass would crack because of temperature changes though.
Applying an extra screenprotector on top of the shatter-proof sheet shouldn't be a problem. It might loosen faster if it gets wet but I don't think you'll notice much difference.
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Just wondering, have you tried taking it to the shower with you? lol
Akiainavas said:
The only difference between them is that Nexus uses Gorilla Glass, and Sony uses tempered glass. As great as Gorilla Glass is, it's hardened properties don't make it temperature resistant. The process of glass tempering, in theory, makes it resistant to sudden temperature changes - they use the same technology to make glass for ovens etc. So I think it shouldn't happen with Xperia, but we'll never know unless somebody takes time and money to make a test.
Screen protectors shouldn't be bothered by water. If they're static, then they'll stay on. Those that use glue might start to peel off after a while.
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well according to that link, the back glass of the Z is made out of Gorilla glass, and the front is made out of Dragontrail.
I forgot where i read it from, some Sony employee stated that the front and the back uses the same glass. >_____>
Accordingly the glass front of the Xperia Z Dragontrail glasses of Japanese with tremendous strength capacity of about 60kg or sharp objects directly on the screen. On the back of a click-toughened Gorilla Glass scratch-resistant and finally the other components of the body using Polycarbonate material and fiberglass (glass fiber polymer) normal 300 times more durable plastic.
LitoNi said:
Just wondering, have you tried taking it to the shower with you? lol
well according to that link, the back glass of the Z is made out of Gorilla glass, and the front is made out of Dragontrail.
I forgot where i read it from, some Sony employee stated that the front and the back uses the same glass. >_____>
Accordingly the glass front of the Xperia Z Dragontrail glasses of Japanese with tremendous strength capacity of about 60kg or sharp objects directly on the screen. On the back of a click-toughened Gorilla Glass scratch-resistant and finally the other components of the body using Polycarbonate material and fiberglass (glass fiber polymer) normal 300 times more durable plastic.
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http://www.eprice.com.hk/mobile/talk/4551/49606/1/rv/sony-xperia-z-L36h-review/
If those are genuine Sony slides, than we finally have a confirmation:
Front: Dragontrail Glass
Back: Gorilla Glass
Sides: Polycarbonate
Body: Glass Fiber Polyamide
LitoNi said:
Just wondering, have you tried taking it to the shower with you? lol
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Nope, not yet I have washed it in the sink a few times and it just ain't bothered by any water! It's a very, very weird feeling and part of my brain was screaming "Nooooooooooo!" but it's all fine
Akiainavas said:
http://www.eprice.com.hk/mobile/talk/4551/49606/1/rv/sony-xperia-z-L36h-review/
If those are genuine Sony slides, than we finally have a confirmation:
Front: Dragontrail Glass
Back: Gorilla Glass
Sides: Polycarbonate
Body: Glass Fiber Polyamide
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Why would they have gorilla on the back and dragontrail on the front though?
Isn't Nexus 4 gorilla on the back or is that some kind of weaker glass? (Was thinking about the crackings due to sudden changes in temp)
dreamz0r said:
Why would they have gorilla on the back and dragontrail on the front though?
Isn't Nexus 4 gorilla on the back or is that some kind of weaker glass? (Was thinking about the crackings due to sudden changes in temp)
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No idea. Heard that Nexus 4's back is not gorilla glass though. Also, Nexus 4 wasn't the first phone to use glass back, and this problem seems to be bugging mostly Nexus 4 users ( not often found in any other brand ) so maybe it's some kind of LG specific defect.
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No idea. Heard that Nexus 4's back is not gorilla glass though. Also, Nexus 4 wasn't the first phone to use glass back, and this problem seems to be bugging mostly Nexus 4 users ( not often found in any other brand ) so maybe it's some kind of LG specific defect.
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I have a faint memory about the back not being gorilla on nexus 4 and now that you mention it i haven't hear anything about other phones with cracks (except iphones but they're meant to break just by looking at it..)
I have spoken to a Sony Rep and apparently Sony uses Gorilla Glass 2 as well as DragonTrail. Devices will come with either one installed. (you might have the front panel made of GG2 and back from DT) and consumers will not have a choice of the glass used. The back panel of the phone has an additional layer on the glass which provides some glare effect (so that could be the layer that is being scratched and not the actual glass). On the front there will be a screen protector preinstalled.
Users will not have an option to select the glass used in their phone, so we will either have GG2 or DT on the front and either GG2 or DT on the back. I think that this should also clarify the on going debate about which glass is used in Xperia Z.
Omg that's so bad. Might have to hold back on this one.
I still don't understand why Sony would do such a thing. Wouldn't it be easier for them to use both DT? Or are they cheaping out on the glass?
May I ask which sony you asked? Europe? Hong Kong?
LitoNi said:
Omg that's so bad. Might have to hold back on this one.
I still don't understand why Sony would do such a thing. Wouldn't it be easier for them to use both DT? Or are they cheaping out on the glass?
May I ask which sony you asked? Europe? Hong Kong?
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I am from Poland and I spoke to official Sony rep. I got his number from a Sony Store in Poznan, Poland after I asked them if I could do a scratch test on their display device in store
Sv: [Q] Xperia Z Dragontrail, Gorilla Glass, Polycarbonate, glass fiber
I was concerned about the glass on the Nexus 4 until I dropped it once and then a couple more times... so far it is intact... in my opinion Sony has far bettef manufacturing than LG but will see what happens. Phonewise I am not impressed by the Nexus 4 but for tha price you cannot complain ...
Skickat från min Nexus 4
shem2409 said:
I have spoken to a Sony Rep and apparently Sony uses Gorilla Glass 2 as well as DragonTrail. Devices will come with either one installed. (you might have the front panel made of GG2 and back from DT) and consumers will not have a choice of the glass used. The back panel of the phone has an additional layer on the glass which provides some glare effect (so that could be the layer that is being scratched and not the actual glass). On the front there will be a screen protector preinstalled.
Users will not have an option to select the glass used in their phone, so we will either have GG2 or DT on the front and either GG2 or DT on the back. I think that this should also clarify the on going debate about which glass is used in Xperia Z.
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I don't think you can use two types of glass like that, with one device getting one or another... XZ wouldn't be certified for release ( by the likes of FCC etc ) if that were true. You need to provide one, particular specification for each device to be allowed to even release it on the market. You could file a class law suit for selling randomly inferior devices as the same model and for the same price - Sony certainly wouldn't do that. There might be some regional differences, but it's certainly not GG or DT at random. I think they might have made a mistake or didn't know this at all.
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I don't think you can use two types of glass like that, with one device getting one or another... XZ wouldn't be certified for release ( by the likes of FCC etc ) if that were true. You need to provide one, particular specification for each device to be allowed to even release it on the market. You could file a class law suit for selling randomly inferior devices as the same model and for the same price - Sony certainly wouldn't do that. There might be some regional differences, but it's certainly not GG or DT at random. I think they might have made a mistake or didn't know this at all.
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Why would the FCC give a crap what glass is used? They are a communications regulator not a design regulator.
It is highly unlikely that the glass would cause communication issues, or interference with other electronics
Hi all,
I hope some people here have connections to Sony and can maybe raise this question. I noticed that some users complain that the camera "glass" on the camera (so the small round piece of glass which protects the camera) is actual not glass but vulnerable plastic. The front side as well as the back side of the smartphone are protected by Gorilla Glass 3 but the small piece of the camera is neither Gorilla Glass 3 nor Saphir Glass (even better than Gorilla Glass 3).
Check out his post on a Russian forum:
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This guy basically tested the 3 pieces of glass (front, back and camera) with a needle and noticed that the camera glass was damaged afterwards and the front and back were fine. Let's not talk about it if this guy is an a**hole because he damages a sample device. Btw I am NOT the guy.
You can expand this post and see three pictures. I attached one picture which I got from a German forum.
Is it really true that Sony took weak plastic glass to protect the camera? This would be a big problem since the glass will become blurred after some time due to very small scratches. So after 1 year the quality of pictures will definitely not be the same.
Does anyone have further information or can raise this question to a Sony contact? I am sure sending an email to Sony will not deliver satisfying results since the question is too detailed.
Many thanks in advance!
Just tested this on the black part of the camera glass of my acro s and it also scratches relatively easy. Strange. You would think that for a piece of glass this small, they would at least use some good quality scratch-resistent glass.
AFAIK lens / lens guard is glass on both Z3 & Z3C. The anti-relflective / polarising coating is not part of the lens, like a polariser lens ... it's just a coating.
mudnightoil said:
AFAIK lens / lens guard is glass on both Z3 & Z3C. The anti-relflective / polarising coating is not part of the lens, like a polariser lens ... it's just a coating.
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so it is actually glass but there is an anti reflective shield/foil/film above it?
If yes they should have put this under the glass... it will scratch easily. Would you suggest to protect it by a screen protector (a shield as well)?
Not very smart Sony!
Evil_enc said:
so it is actually glass but there is an anti reflective shield/foil/film above it?
If yes they should have put this under the glass... it will scratch easily. Would you suggest to protect it by a screen protector (a shield as well)?
Not very smart Sony!
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Screen protectors, do NOT protect the camera, because it could and probably will affect the quality of your pictures.
In my opinion there is really not much to worry about. Who ever had their lens glass scratched that bad that you could see it on pictures?
Dsteppa said:
Screen protectors, do NOT protect the camera, because it could and probably will affect the quality of your pictures.
In my opinion there is really not much to worry about. Who ever had their lens glass scratched that bad that you could see it on pictures?
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Seeing as the camera glass is perfectly level with the surrounding glass, and the surrounding glass is perfectly level with frame, it could pose a problem. If you put the phone down and it slides a little bit, the smallest of dust particles could create micro scratches.
degraaff said:
Seeing as the camera glass is perfectly level with the surrounding glass, and the surrounding glass is perfectly level with frame, it could pose a problem. If you put the phone down and it slides a little bit, the smallest of dust particles could create micro scratches.
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Picture of my Xperia Z that I have since February 2013
Taken with a macro lens, most of the dust that you see, you can barely see with your eyes.
Any news on that? Does anyone has further information from Sony forums or did a scratch test?
Evil_enc said:
Any news on that? Does anyone has further information from Sony forums or did a scratch test?
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I'm not going to attempt it with mine
Evil_enc said:
Hi all,
I hope some people here have connections to Sony and can maybe raise this question. I noticed that some users complain that the camera "glass" on the camera (so the small round piece of glass which protects the camera) is actual not glass but vulnerable plastic. The front side as well as the back side of the smartphone are protected by Gorilla Glass 3 but the small piece of the camera is neither Gorilla Glass 3 nor Saphir Glass (even better than Gorilla Glass 3).
Check out his post on a Russian forum:
http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2F4pda.ru%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Fshowtopic%3D604884%26st%3D1240%23entry34505942&sandbox=1
This guy basically tested the 3 pieces of glass (front, back and camera) with a needle and noticed that the camera glass was damaged afterwards and the front and back were fine. Let's not talk about it if this guy is an a**hole because he damages a sample device. Btw I am NOT the guy.
You can expand this post and see three pictures. I attached one picture which I got from a German forum.
Is it really true that Sony took weak plastic glass to protect the camera? This would be a big problem since the glass will become blurred after some time due to very small scratches. So after 1 year the quality of pictures will definitely not be the same.
Does anyone have further information or can raise this question to a Sony contact? I am sure sending an email to Sony will not deliver satisfying results since the question is too detailed.
Many thanks in advance!
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The Z3 does not use gorilla glass.... these brands and types use it http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/en/products-with-gorilla
Sony hasn't got gorilla glass on any of its products according to corning.
Camera glass should have been saffier glass if you ask me.
The Z3 Compact indeed has lousy camera glass quality. I don't think it's glass, it's plastic, as you will be able to deform it using only your nail and pressing it. Here's my sample. I was having another problem with the camera, as you can see the big spots, it's the glue letting go or something. As for the little scratches, they're real and you can see them with the naked eye. They're from day-to-day use for two-three weeks, just putting it on my desk and trying to swipe messages while it's laying on my desk or table, like I'm used to with the Galaxy Nexus.
I'm really sad Sony still cheaped out on this. Why didn't they just use Dragontrail X on both sides and sapphire glass? It's certainly in their budget seeing these pretty high prices, so there's no reason not to do this.
sygys said:
The Z3 does not use gorilla glass.... these brands and types use it http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/en/products-with-gorilla
Sony hasn't got gorilla glass on any of its products according to corning.
Camera glass should have been saffier glass if you ask me.
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Corning does not list all the companies that use its glass. Apple, for example, is not listed but it uses Gorilla Glass. I believe Sony uses GG on at least one side of the Z3, but not sure about the Z3c.
As for the camera lens... it's probably the coating being scratched. All lenses, big and small, have coatings to minimize flare and other issues. If I took a needle to some of my Canon L lenses I bet I'd see a scratch in the coating, too.
RainbowSwag said:
The Z3 Compact indeed has lousy camera glass quality. I don't think it's glass, it's plastic, as you will be able to deform it using only your nail and pressing it. Here's my sample. I was having another problem with the camera, as you can see the big spots, it's the glue letting go or something. As for the little scratches, they're real and you can see them with the naked eye. They're from day-to-day use for two-three weeks, just putting it on my desk and trying to swipe messages while it's laying on my desk or table, like I'm used to with the Galaxy Nexus.
I'm really sad Sony still cheaped out on this. Why didn't they just use Dragontrail X on both sides and sapphire glass? It's certainly in their budget seeing these pretty high prices, so there's no reason not to do this.
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It looks more like yours still has protection foil on it cant you remove it? BTW glass used on the front is dragontrail. the back has no scratch resistant glass and scratches very easily. b
sygys said:
It looks more like yours still has protection foil on it cant you remove it? BTW glass used on the front is dragontrail. the back has no scratch resistant glass and scratches very easily. b
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There is no separate removable protection foil on the camera glass afaik.
What I've done to get around this issue is purchase an HTC M8 camera lens protector kit because it's almost a perfect fit (a tad smaller) but covers the area in front of the actual lens. The image degradation is barely noticeable so I'm pretty happy with it.
I noticed a rough spot on the camera glass on mine, when I lightly rubbed my nail over it, I couldn't really see anything but under my microscope I saw this.
It's not very promising as I've only had this phone for two months and a half, while my two-year old Xperia Acro S barely has a mark on its camera glass. I never treated this Z3C any worse than my old Acro S. I'm even treating this much more carefully than my Acro S.
So it does look like the camera glass on the Z3C is absolute rubbish material.
I'm not yet noticing any blurred or washed out spots in the pictures, but I do start to notice light streaks around bright light sources.
So does the camera lense have like a removable film/protector? It looks like on my z3 compact that their are like air bubbles around the edges.
I'm so tempted to pick at it with a needle to see if it comes off!
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I noticed a rough spot on the camera glass on mine, when I lightly rubbed my nail over it, I couldn't really see anything but under my microscope I saw this.
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curious about the rest of the glass on the back. is it similarly marked up with scratches? if so, then: gorilla glass my ass!
Woza72 said:
So does the camera lense have like a removable film/protector? It looks like on my z3 compact that their are like air bubbles around the edges.
I'm so tempted to pick at it with a needle to see if it comes off!
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The outer layer is probably the polarization filter, I would not try to pick it off...
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AM Radio said:
curious about the rest of the glass on the back. is it similarly marked up with scratches? if so, then: gorilla glass my ass!
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The rest of the back has a bunch of micro scratches, nowhere near as dense nor as deep as the ones on the camera though.
The front is still completely free of scratches.
deep scratch on the camera
Hello there! I bought this phone last wednesday and by yesterday evening I started to notice light streaks when the camera was looking to bright light sources. I thought that it might been dirty. I cleaned it and it still there. Looking to the camera glass with a bright light I noticed a deep scratch on it. Considering that it has less than a week, do you think that the seller or Sony itself will give me a replacement? And, if it has to be payed, is there anyone who payed for that? Thanks a lot
Hello,
Has anybody noticed a little dust under rear camera glass?
In my Z3C it is visible in sunlight, you have to look from the angle. There are no problems with images taken by camera, but phone is quite new (not even 2 weeks) and while it is dustproof I think it shouldn't have any kind of dust in this place...
Hi, not sure if its the right place to ask, but why not
I have bought my Z3C back in February, new, from the shop. I upgraded from Sony Acro S.
The only reason I did that is that lens cover got all smudged and scratched, so photo were blurry.
I got z3 compact, I did, and still think it very nice phone. Battery life is amazing, I love the size of it. But same as with Acro S, lens cover is once again getting weird smudges.
http://imgur.com/oHg6ZDj
If there is any light source, pictures are bad, and I do need camera to take normal pictures. And I did read the thread about it, and that I can try toothpaste etc, but I wont do this I might take it back to the shop and they will replace the back cover, but will help for another few months? And I did have camera lens protector (that is made for LG phones) but it doesn't help with picture quality.
So my question is - with what would you replace it? I love the size of the phone and it has to tolerate humidity, rain, some water. Is there anything that could compare to z3c in these regards and have a decent lens protection? Samsung S5? S6 active is not to my liking (too rugged )
How about Z5C does it have the same same problem?
Sorry for long post and thank you very much for the advice.
Coating wears off too easily yes. Z5c?
There arent many phones with the specs you're looking for. I fear they all start with a z.
bilboa1 said:
Coating wears off too easily yes. Z5c?
There arent many phones with the specs you're looking for. I fear they all start with a z.
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I thought so :/ I am afraid that if I will get Z5C it will be same story like the last two Sony's I had.
This is sad. Will get them to change the back cover and then I suppose I will have to do like I did with this z3c. Buy a screen protector, place it on the back of the phone, and peal it every time I am taking a picture and look stupid while doing so.
have had mine since last year's release. with a thin case, the lens has been protected. why not use one?
Niilkin tempered glass comes with a lens and back protector too... Why don't u check it out
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I did use Nillkin glass protector, it did shatter (started at the corner) but it was good.
But thats not the problem, lens is already bad. Protector wont help now. And its not the scratches, lens is not scratched, it looks like it from humidity or something, that weird stuff its between the plastic and coating
So I am not sure it will protect it. Like I said I had a lens protector, it did not help, it helped in a way that lens is not scratched, but its unusable anyway.
I cant be bothered taking my phone for repairs ever few months, that takes 2 weeks to do and its a huge inconvenience. So my plan is to fix this. And sell it, buy a new that doesnt have bad coating, lens protection.
The question is what? S5? Wait for someone to confirm that Z5C has proper protection on lens?
I believe the reason the coating comes off is due to the constant exposure to liquid, why not just send it to Sony to repair
I don't know what your old lens protector was made of, but once you get your scratches fixed or replaced, just use the clear film back protector from xtremeguardz. It covers the lens and wont shatter. Plus, with the discount codes they often run, it costs next to nothing, so buy 3 and replace when they inevitably peel or turn yellowish.
I've been using mine for months and it hasn't affected picture quality one bit.
Alright, So I am coming from a Sony z3c. I loved the phone, honestly, amazing phone. But after having to replace the glass almost 10 times over the last 2 years. I do have questions.
I see that the phone uses Gorilla glass. How durable is this? I have a tendency to be rough on phones. Even if they are in my pocket. So what are the chances of the glass breaking from standard use or a drop from say 3ft?
If the glass cracks, will I still be able to use the phone? Or is the touch sensor completely integrated with the glass?
Basically, how durable is the glass. And will I still be able to fully use my phone while I wait for replacement parts?
I suggest you search for some drop tests on youtube. What I can tell you is that the touch panel is stuck to the glass panel, and although it might still work after a crack (depending on how bad the crack is), you will always need to replace both, instead of just the glass. I think it costs around 90 dollars/euros for oneplus to replace it. Doesn't oneplus "offer" some accident protection plan (optional buy) when purchasing the phone? Look into that.
One very expensive habit you have there. :silly: I too come the Z3 and then Z3+ never cracked the screen once but I always had them in a case and a tempered glass front. But talking about this 3T I would say it would be more durable for back pockets due to aluminium build but may have slightly less shock damping factor. I would invest in a quality case that you like to protect the corners and edges. The build quality to me is superior to Sony's "sandwich" and the camera should not scratch easily. Look up jerryrig everything on YouTube he has a video on the OP3 & T.
Thank you for the replies guys, I will check the youtube suggestions out. I have always used a premium case and screen protectors. But yes, I think I am just cursed with phones.