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Hello I have been having a problem that two of my kindle fire 2's have been experiencing after a rooting on the latest 10.2.4.. The problem has to do with location services and the fact that now after the root the location is never able to be determined. I have verified using the weather channel app as well as flixster that before the root when I turn on location-based services the location is able to be determined and after its not. Some things you guys may want to know is that I have installed google playstore and I notice that after you go through the process of adding the playstore and new toggle appears in location-based services that says Location & Google Search I have tried leaving that off as well as leaving that on and both ways no location is able to be determined. So I am wondering is there a way to fix this?? Is anyone else experiencing this problem??
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Hello I have been having a problem that two of my kindle fire 2's have been experiencing after a rooting on the latest 10.2.4.. The problem has to do with location services and the fact that now after the root the location is never able to be determined. I have verified using the weather channel app as well as flixster that before the root when I turn on location-based services the location is able to be determined and after its not. Some things you guys may want to know is that I have installed google playstore and I notice that after you go through the process of adding the playstore and new toggle appears in location-based services that says Location & Google Search I have tried leaving that off as well as leaving that on and both ways no location is able to be determined. So I am wondering is there a way to fix this?? Is anyone else experiencing this problem??
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Any input on this?? Would like to know if location services are broken when you root. Thanks.
ComputerSteve said:
Any input on this?? Would like to know if location services are broken when you root. Thanks.
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WiFi Location Fails On Kindle Fire 2 After Root of 10.2.4
ComputerSteve said:
Hello I have been having a problem that two of my kindle fire 2's have been experiencing after a rooting on the latest 10.2.4.. The problem has to do with location services and the fact that now after the root the location is never able to be determined. I have verified using the weather channel app as well as flixster that before the root when I turn on location-based services the location is able to be determined and after its not. Some things you guys may want to know is that I have installed google playstore and I notice that after you go through the process of adding the playstore and new toggle appears in location-based services that says Location & Google Search I have tried leaving that off as well as leaving that on and both ways no location is able to be determined. So I am wondering is there a way to fix this?? Is anyone else experiencing this problem??
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ComputerSteve,
I have heard two problems on the Kindle Fire 2 10.2.4, one is the loss of WiFi after Root and two is the loss of Location Based Services after Root both seem to be the way they were Rooted. OK, let's get to your issue. Let's first have you clear the Data on everything having to do with the Network. Pull down the upper status bar, then select More+, find Applications, then Installed Applications. Clear the Data on all the Network or Location Based Services. Then download and install Titanium Backup free edition: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup. Once you have Titanium Backup installed, launch Titanium Backup and find the Setting Menu on the Top Right Side of the interface, select Clean Up Davlik cache....Answer Yes to the prompt, then Reboot the Kindle. Did the service wake up? If no, have you installed any application after Root? Anything? The other fix I have seen works is to go to the Kindle Menu More+ by pulling down the status bar, find Location Based Services, uncheck them, reboot and wait about 10 minutes for the Kindle to wake up all services, then go back to More+ Location Based Services and check the boxes again, the idea here is to Restart the service like you would in Windows or Linux.
Please let us know if this helps you.
prokennexusa said:
ComputerSteve,
I have heard two problems on the Kindle Fire 2 10.2.4, one is the loss of WiFi after Root and two is the loss of Location Based Services after Root both seem to be the way they were Rooted. OK, let's get to your issue. Let's first have you clear the Data on everything having to do with the Network. Pull down the upper status bar, then select More+, find Applications, then Installed Applications. Clear the Data on all the Network or Location Based Services. Then download and install Titanium Backup free edition: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup. Once you have Titanium Backup installed, launch Titanium Backup and find the Setting Menu on the Top Right Side of the interface, select Clean Up Davlik cache....Answer Yes to the prompt, then Reboot the Kindle. Did the service wake up? If no, have you installed any application after Root? Anything? The other fix I have seen works is to go to the Kindle Menu More+ by pulling down the status bar, find Location Based Services, uncheck them, reboot and wait about 10 minutes for the Kindle to wake up all services, then go back to More+ Location Based Services and check the boxes again, the idea here is to Restart the service like you would in Windows or Linux.
Please let us know if this helps you.
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I tried what you suggested. I cleared the Davlik cache and also toggled the location services.. and it didn't work. The interesting thing is that location works only in certain apps for instance if I go to google.com on opera mobile or maps.google.com in opera mobile the location works but if I use Silk and do the same thing it doesn't work it says that my location could no be determined. Now I know that there is something wrong with this because this is my 4th kindle fire HD I keep returning the ones before thinking that something was wrong but now I see that after a root the location services gets messed up. I hope that there is some type of fix for this. But so far I have tried restoring the device, rerooting, clearing the Davlik cache, adding NetworkLocation.apk which most of the time you cant get to install only one I found would install the once from the MoDaCo Custom ROM for the original kindle fire however that still didn't work. The way I rooted was with the instructions located here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2069117 The device is rooted and I verified that with suchecker. My conclusion the Location Services get messed up when You root.
No WiFi Location On Kindle Fire 2 After Root of 10.2.4
ComputerSteve said:
Hello I have been having a problem that two of my kindle fire 2's have been experiencing after a rooting on the latest 10.2.4.. The problem has to do with location services and the fact that now after the root the location is never able to be determined. I have verified using the weather channel app as well as flixster that before the root when I turn on location-based services the location is able to be determined and after its not. Some things you guys may want to know is that I have installed google playstore and I notice that after you go through the process of adding the playstore and new toggle appears in location-based services that says Location & Google Search I have tried leaving that off as well as leaving that on and both ways no location is able to be determined. So I am wondering is there a way to fix this?? Is anyone else experiencing this problem??
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ComputerSteve,
The solution depends on the method you used to install Google Play Store on the Kindle Fire 2. Was it our method here (we use signed APK's):
[ROOT][HOW TO] Install Google Play Store Noob (Simple) Version
I would like you to download our Google Apps Pack here: Download ICS Google Applications
Extract the package and find OneTimeInitializer.apk and NetworkLocation.apk, move these two to the /system/app folder on your Kindle be sure to change the permissions, here is a small tutorial:
Step 1: Download ICS Google Applications - They are all signed Applications from a trusted source
Step 2: Extract google_apps.zip to your Desktop as google_apps
Step 3: Plug in the Kindle to USB, wait for the Kindle Internal Drive to mount
Step 4: Using Windows Explorer, move google_apps to /Kindle/Internal Drive/Download
Step 5: Using ES File Explorer or Root Explorer, copy ONLY OneTimeInitializer.apk and NetworkLocation.apk from /sdcard/Download to /system/app
Step 6: Change the permissions on OneTimeInitializer.apk and NetworkLocation.apk to User: Read Write Group: Read and Others: Read
Step 7: Go to the Installed Applications option on the Kindle by pulling down the upper status bar next to the time, select More+, next find Applications, select Applications then select Installed Applications
Step 8: Find and select Network Location - clear the Data on Network Location
Step 9: Find System - clear the Data on System
Step 10: Next back out of Applications by pressing the <- Back Arrow twice, find and select Location-based Services, then turn OFF both Enable Location-based Services and Location & Google Search
Step 11: Reboot the Kindle
Step 12: Find and select Location-based Services, then turn ON both Enable Location-based Services and Location & Google Search
Step 13: Reboot the Kindle
Step 14: Launch either Google Chrome or Silk Web Browser go to http://www.google.com/ wait for the service to ask you to ALLOW you to store and share the current location. Be sure to click on "Share Location"
Step 15: You have enabled the Location-based Services
The above steps usually wakes up the Location Based Services.:good: Please let us know if this solves your problem.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/54456659/google_apps.zip
prokennexusa said:
ComputerSteve,
The solution depends on the method you used to install Google Play Store on the Kindle Fire 2. Was it our method here (we use signed APK's):
[ROOT][HOW TO] Install Google Play Store Noob (Simple) Version
I would like you to download our Google Apps Pack here: Download ICS Google Applications
Extract the package and find OneTimeInitializer.apk and NetworkLocation.apk, move these two to the /system/app folder on your Kindle be sure to change the permissions, here is a small tutorial:
Step 1: Download ICS Google Applications - They are all signed Applications from a trusted source
Step 2: Extract google_apps.zip to your Desktop as google_apps
Step 3: Plug in the Kindle to USB, wait for the Kindle Internal Drive to mount
Step 4: Using Windows Explorer, move google_apps to /Kindle/Internal Drive/Download
Step 5: Using ES File Explorer or Root Explorer, copy ONLY OneTimeInitializer.apk and NetworkLocation.apk from /sdcard/Download to /system/app
Step 6: Change the permissions on OneTimeInitializer.apk and NetworkLocation.apk to User: Read Write Group: Read and Others: Read
Step 7: Go to the Installed Applications option on the Kindle by pulling down the upper status bar next to the time, select More+, next find Applications, select Applications then select Installed Applications
Step 8: Find and select Network Location - clear the Data on Network Location
Step 9: Find System - clear the Data on System
Step 10: Next back out of Applications by pressing the <- Back Arrow twice, find and select Location-based Services, then turn OFF both Enable Location-based Services and Location & Google Search
Step 11: Reboot the Kindle
Step 12: Find and select Location-based Services, then turn ON both Enable Location-based Services and Location & Google Search
Step 13: Reboot the Kindle
Step 14: Launch either Google Chrome or Silk Web Browser go to http://www.google.com/ wait for the service to ask you to ALLOW you to store and share the current location. Be sure to click on "Share Location"
Step 15: You have enabled the Location-based Services
The above steps usually wakes up the Location Based Services.:good: Please let us know if this solves your problem.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/54456659/google_apps.zip
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This didn't work Either. I tried what you said and still only certain apps get location for instance Opera but not silk even though it ask for me to allow it and then I get the icon on the status bar it still says the location cannot be determined.
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This didn't work Either. I tried what you said and still only certain apps get location for instance Opera but not silk even though it ask for me to allow it and then I get the icon on the status bar it still says the location cannot be determined.
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I just wanted to update you guys that I now am using a Kindle Fire HD 7inch display with firmware 7.2.3 however even with this device location has stopped working and is only working with some apps like opera.
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I just wanted to update you guys that I now am using a Kindle Fire HD 7inch display with firmware 7.2.3 however even with this device location has stopped working and is only working with some apps like opera.
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Does anyone know how to fix location services ??
No WiFi Location On Kindle Fire 2 After Root of 10.2.4
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I just wanted to update you guys that I now am using a Kindle Fire HD 7inch display with firmware 7.2.3 however even with this device location has stopped working and is only working with some apps like opera.
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ComputerSteve,
We have walked you through the entire scope of Location Based Services, the only thing left is to either Reset the Kindle Fire HD 7" to Factory Defaults or download the software update and follow these instructions.
Before we proceed are you 100% sure you do not have something in your network blocking Location Based Services? We just have not heard of two devices having the same problem, this makes me lean towards a network issue. If not, there is one thing left and I am not sure this will solve your issue.
Step 1: Download the Amazon Kindle Fire HD 7.2.3 Update from here: Download Software Update 7.2.3
Step 2: Change the update-kindle-7.2.3_D025_2330720.bin to update-kindle-7.2.3_D025_2330720.zip
Step 3: Using 7-Zip, unzip update-kindle-7.2.3_D025_2330720.zip to update-kindle-7.2.3_D025_2330720 folder
Step 4: Using the update-kindle-7.2.3_D025_2330720 as your master image, slowly copy apk's from the update /system/app folder and replace them on your Kindle Fire HD 7" /system/app folder - be sure to check the Permissions on every apk replaced, they need to be: User: Read Write Group: Read and Others: Read
Step 5: After you have updated the APK's reboot the Kindle.
My feeling is you have something blocking Network Location Based Services at times.
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ComputerSteve,
We have walked you through the entire scope of Location Based Services, the only thing left is to either Reset the Kindle Fire HD 7" to Factory Defaults or download the software update and follow these instructions.
Before we proceed are you 100% sure you do not have something in your network blocking Location Based Services? We just have not heard of two devices having the same problem, this makes me lean towards a network issue. If not, there is one thing left and I am not sure this will solve your issue.
Step 1: Download the Amazon Kindle Fire HD 7.2.3 Update from here: Download Software Update 7.2.3
Step 2: Change the update-kindle-7.2.3_D025_2330720.bin to update-kindle-7.2.3_D025_2330720.zip
Step 3: Using 7-Zip, unzip update-kindle-7.2.3_D025_2330720.zip to update-kindle-7.2.3_D025_2330720 folder
Step 4: Using the update-kindle-7.2.3_D025_2330720 as your master image, slowly copy apk's from the update /system/app folder and replace them on your Kindle Fire HD 7" /system/app folder - be sure to check the Permissions on every apk replaced, they need to be: User: Read Write Group: Read and Others: Read
Step 5: After you have updated the APK's reboot the Kindle.
My feeling is you have something blocking Network Location Based Services at times.
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I really don't believe that anything is blocked all I did was root the device I just got it from amazon.. Like I said before this has also happened to my Kindle Fire 2 running 10.2.4 and that was right after I got it as well. I think that the root breaks something with the location services. For example if I load up The Weather Channel App on the kindle it cant determine the location but if I load up opera and go to maps.google.com it knows the location but if I open silk and go to maps.google.com the location doesn't work.
No WiFi Location On Kindle Fire 2 and HD 7" After Root of 10.2.4 and 7.2.3
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I really don't believe that anything is blocked all I did was root the device I just got it from amazon.. Like I said before this has also happened to my Kindle Fire 2 running 10.2.4 and that was right after I got it as well. I think that the root breaks something with the location services. For example if I load up The Weather Channel App on the kindle it cant determine the location but if I load up opera and go to maps.google.com it knows the location but if I open silk and go to maps.google.com the location doesn't work.
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ComputerSteve,
I understand your skepticism but you have to look at it this way:
We have over 40 Kindles in our office, so we see a lot. Out of these 40 tablets, we have had one, only one that had a location based issue. When we dug deep, we found the user installed a Firewall at home that was blocking these requests. Now, I will say, being in this industry since 1978 we have found quiescences are usually the key to the solution. Having said this, you said you had a Kindle Fire 2 that had a problem with Location Based Services, correct? Then you said you now have a Kindle Fire HD 7" with a problem with Location Based Services, correct?
So, we can safely conclude the following:
1. Your WiFi is blocking the Location Based Service - check your Firewall Logs or enable logging on your Firewall
OR
2. The method you used to Root the devices has damaged Location Based Service, what Root method did you use on BOTH tablets? We would suspect you used the same method and if this is the truth, let us know and we will try to reverse the process without removing Superuser.
prokennexusa said:
ComputerSteve,
I understand your skepticism but you have to look at it this way:
We have over 40 Kindles in our office, so we see a lot. Out of these 40 tablets, we have had one, only one that had a location based issue. When we dug deep, we found the user installed a Firewall at home that was blocking these requests. Now, I will say, being in this industry since 1978 we have found quiescences are usually the key to the solution. Having said this, you said you had a Kindle Fire 2 that had a problem with Location Based Services, correct? Then you said you now have a Kindle Fire HD 7" with a problem with Location Based Services, correct?
So, we can safely conclude the following:
1. Your WiFi is blocking the Location Based Service - check your Firewall Logs or enable logging on your Firewall
OR
2. The method you used to Root the devices has damaged Location Based Service, what Root method did you use on BOTH tablets? We would suspect you used the same method and if this is the truth, let us know and we will try to reverse the process without removing Superuser.
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Ok, Here is what I can tell you. I have used this method located here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2069117 I downloaded the files in that thread and I had no problems the device rooted. I have also no location problems on any of my other devices, I have an iPad 3rd gen and an iPhone 4s both get location fine. I also am using a Time Capsule which doesn't contain an inbuilt firewall. I must say that before the root my location services on the kindle did work. Also I followed the info in this thread and added to my kindles system/app folder the NetworkLocation.apk and the Onetimeinitializer.apk and for a second it looked like location services would work however it had the wrong location I am in Oceanside, NY and it was saying I was in some other state. So I rebooted the device and then after the reboot again location would only work in certain apps such as Opera and in Opera it had the right location it said I was in Oceanside, NY. I don't get why this isn't working I also did what someone else in this thread suggested and I replaced each system/app from a freshly downloaded Kindle Fire HD update.. also I verified all my permissions are User - RW Group- R Others- R. I hope this helps. Thanks.
No WiFi Location On Kindle Fire 2 After Root of 10.2.4
ComputerSteve said:
Ok, Here is what I can tell you. I have used this method located here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2069117 I downloaded the files in that thread and I had no problems the device rooted. I have also no location problems on any of my other devices, I have an iPad 3rd gen and an iPhone 4s both get location fine. I also am using a Time Capsule which doesn't contain an inbuilt firewall. I must say that before the root my location services on the kindle did work. Also I followed the info in this thread and added to my kindles system/app folder the NetworkLocation.apk and the Onetimeinitializer.apk and for a second it looked like location services would work however it had the wrong location I am in Oceanside, NY and it was saying I was in some other state. So I rebooted the device and then after the reboot again location would only work in certain apps such as Opera and in Opera it had the right location it said I was in Oceanside, NY. I don't get why this isn't working I also did what someone else in this thread suggested and I replaced each system/app from a freshly downloaded Kindle Fire HD update.. also I verified all my permissions are User - RW Group- R Others- R. I hope this helps. Thanks.
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ComputerSteve,
Thank you very much for the detailed response, this was helpful in ruling out several factors. OK, we know the Rooting Method is not the cause of the problem, as long as you choose option 1 when using Root Many Android, if you used Option 2 then we may need to revers damage done to the Kindle but even that damage will not cause Location Based Services to fail.
What we would like you to do is take one of the Kindle and perform a Factory Reset, let's see if Location Based Services works on the Reset Kindle.
Since you have replaced the /system/app apk's as we requested a couple of days ago, you have done just about everything except a Factory Reset. If we can think of another solution, we will add the information to this post - at this point we are quite perplexed. Since this is not a common occurance, it is hard to nail down what is failing.
prokennexusa said:
ComputerSteve,
Thank you very much for the detailed response, this was helpful in ruling out several factors. OK, we know the Rooting Method is not the cause of the problem, as long as you choose option 1 when using Root Many Android, if you used Option 2 then we may need to revers damage done to the Kindle but even that damage will not cause Location Based Services to fail.
What we would like you to do is take one of the Kindle and perform a Factory Reset, let's see if Location Based Services works on the Reset Kindle.
Since you have replaced the /system/app apk's as we requested a couple of days ago, you have done just about everything except a Factory Reset. If we can think of another solution, we will add the information to this post - at this point we are quite perplexed. Since this is not a common occurance, it is hard to nail down what is failing.
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Ok, I have done a Factory Reset and it is still not working. If you guys find any solution please post it. Thanks.
No WiFi Location On Kindle Fire 2 After Root of 10.2.4
ComputerSteve said:
Ok, I have done a Factory Reset and it is still not working. If you guys find any solution please post it. Thanks.
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ComputerSteve,
OK, now you have me wondering about your network. If you have performed a Factory Reset, this should have reverted the Kindle. Wait a minute, it hit me, the Kindle Fire keeps the /system/app in tact when you perform a Factory Reset - it wipe the other folders. So the problem is in the /system/app folder - must be the problem but what app is causing you trouble..
Give us a little time to look at other tablets to see if something jars us. We just got another Kindle in today, turned it on, Location Based Services works flawlessly.
We spent over 2 hours today, attempting to dig at your issue, so far nothing - we were able to replicate a firewall blocking the communication but it does not make sense if you own the router.
Please respond back with a few key pieces of information that would help us to solve your issue:
1. Your Internet Service Provider - Comcast, Verizon, AT&T etc
2. Internet Type - Cable, Fiber, DSL, DSL with PPPoE, Satellite, etc
3. Firewall/Router Make Model and Version (If Applicable) - Just flip over the Wireless Router or look at the back of the Router/Access Point
4. Wireless Communication Used - WPS, WPA, WEP, etc.
prokennexusa said:
ComputerSteve,
OK, now you have me wondering about your network. If you have performed a Factory Reset, this should have reverted the Kindle. Wait a minute, it hit me, the Kindle Fire keeps the /system/app in tact when you perform a Factory Reset - it wipe the other folders. So the problem is in the /system/app folder - must be the problem but what app is causing you trouble..
Give us a little time to look at other tablets to see if something jars us. We just got another Kindle in today, turned it on, Location Based Services works flawlessly.
We spent over 2 hours today, attempting to dig at your issue, so far nothing - we were able to replicate a firewall blocking the communication but it does not make sense if you own the router.
Please respond back with a few key pieces of information that would help us to solve your issue:
1. Your Internet Service Provider - Comcast, Verizon, AT&T etc
2. Internet Type - Cable, Fiber, DSL, DSL with PPPoE, Satellite, etc
3. Firewall/Router Make Model and Version (If Applicable) - Just flip over the Wireless Router or look at the back of the Router/Access Point
4. Wireless Communication Used - WPS, WPA, WEP, etc.
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I already answered this but here I go again...
1. Internet service provider - Cablevision/Optimum Online
2. Internet Type - Cable
3. Firewall/Router - Apple Time Capsule - No Firewall is even available
4. Wireless Communication Used - WPA/WPA2 Mixed
Again I have no problems with location on any other devices my iMac and My Macbook pro all see my current location if I go to maps.google.com also all my other devices such as my iPhone and iPad the only device as I said that is having any location problems is the kindle and that started after I rooted. Thanks.
No WiFi Location On Kindle Fire 2 After Root of 10.2.4
ComputerSteve said:
I already answered this but here I go again...
1. Internet service provider - Cablevision/Optimum Online
2. Internet Type - Cable
3. Firewall/Router - Apple Time Capsule - No Firewall is even available
4. Wireless Communication Used - WPA/WPA2 Mixed
Again I have no problems with location on any other devices my iMac and My Macbook pro all see my current location if I go to maps.google.com also all my other devices such as my iPhone and iPad the only device as I said that is having any location problems is the kindle and that started after I rooted. Thanks.
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ComputerSteve,
Apple Time Capsule is a firewall since this is an Apple Airport with a hard drive. This device support Port Forwarding and several advanced firewall functions, we are quite familiar with this device.
OK, now we are getting somewhere! There is a known issue with Apple Time Capsule not releasing the Location, thus not allowing non-apple devices to see the new location.
Just FYI: Apple maintains a database of the Apple Time Capsule locations, this is known to cause people problems like you are describing.
Give me a little time to refresh our memory on the resolution.
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ComputerSteve,
Apple Time Capsule is a firewall since this is an Apple Airport with a hard drive. This device support Port Forwarding and several advanced firewall functions, we are quite familiar with this device.
OK, now we are getting somewhere! There is a known issue with Apple Time Capsule not releasing the Location, thus not allowing non-apple devices to see the new location.
Just FYI: Apple maintains a database of the Apple Time Capsule locations, this is known to cause people problems like you are describing.
Give me a little time to refresh our memory on the resolution.
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Just wanted to update you... The time capsule isn't the problem. After you posted this I tried a different router the WNDR3400 netgear and guess what it did the same exact thing my devices other then the kindle fire were all getting location. I have now tried a different router, clearing the Dalvik cache, replacing the entire system/app folder from stock kindle fire update zip, adding networklocation.apk and onetimeinitializer.apk. None of these things have worked. Like I said before location works but only in certain apps for instance if I start silk and go to google maps or any other site that needs location it says the location could not be determined but if I go to the same site on opera then the location works right away. This has to be a problem with rooting because this happened to my kindle fire 2 and now my kindle fire hd after rooting. Thanks and I hope that there is a way to fix this. Is there anyway to reinstall the whole OS or is that what I did when I replaced the whole system/app folder also can you unroot fully and return the kindle back to stock? I am soon going to get a factory cable but is there anyway to use Kindle Fire HD and 2 First Aide Software - Noob (Simple) Version without a factory cable I know that certain apps can restart the kindle into fastboot. Thanks.
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Location services is broken after rooting my 8.9 as well.
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Hi all,
I've been plagued with this issue over the last month or so. I have location based services set to off and get a frequent popup box stating the following:
"Location Based Service Disabled. You need to enable location based services if you want to use the location-based features of this application. Once enabled, Kindle Fire will use Wi-Fi to help determine your location."
This comes up when I have Dolphin Browser open and go to Google, and sporadically at other websites. Anyone know a way to STOP this from coming up?? If I wanted this service enabled (which I don't, and won't), I would enable the thing. Why the constant nag to turn it on? It seems it must be related to a particular app I have installed, but I haven't been able to pinpoint which one.
Braves1995 said:
Hi all,
I've been plagued with this issue over the last month or so. I have location based services set to off and get a frequent popup box stating the following:
"Location Based Service Disabled. You need to enable location based services if you want to use the location-based features of this application. Once enabled, Kindle Fire will use Wi-Fi to help determine your location."
This comes up when I have Dolphin Browser open and go to Google, and sporadically at other websites. Anyone know a way to STOP this from coming up?? If I wanted this service enabled (which I don't, and won't), I would enable the thing. Why the constant nag to turn it on? It seems it must be related to a particular app I have installed, but I haven't been able to pinpoint which one.
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Sounds like Google wants to know where you are. Something with the website not with the Kindle itself if that makes sense. See if you can look through the Google settings through dolphin and find something related to location based services. Also, do you have Facebook or Facebook messenger installed? Those 2 may be requesting it as well...
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Couldn't solve this through Dolphin, which is a shame because it's an awesome browser otherwise. So, uninstalled and went with Opera Mini..haven't had the popup message since.
Braves1995 said:
Couldn't solve this through Dolphin, which is a shame because it's an awesome browser otherwise. So, uninstalled and went with Opera Mini..haven't had the popup message since.
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There's a setting in dolphin itself to turn off location based services. Once you set it to off, it shouldn't ask you again.
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There's a setting in dolphin itself to turn off location based services. Once you set it to off, it shouldn't ask you again.
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It WAS set to off. That is WHY the popup was appearing. The popup was requesting that I turn it on.
Braves1995 said:
It WAS set to off. That is WHY the popup was appearing. The popup was requesting that I turn it on.
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I thought you meant the setting in the Kindle was set to off, not this one in dolphin. If you don't set it to off in dolphin also, dolphin thinks it on, tries to get your location from the Kindle when it hits certain websites, but sees that it's off, and tells you to turn in on in the Kindle. Which is exactly what your describing. Sorry if I misunderstood.
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I thought you meant the setting in the Kindle was set to off, not this one in dolphin. If you don't set it to off in dolphin also, dolphin thinks it on, tries to get your location from the Kindle when it hits certain websites, but sees that it's off, and tells you to turn in on in the Kindle. Which is exactly what your describing. Sorry if I misunderstood.
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This is making me feel completely ignorant, lol. I have it set to off in the Kindle settings as well as within Dolphin Browser. I'm still getting the popup. Could it have something to do with the "Private" mode setting? I have that set to off too, but I tried it with on and it still did it. Basically, I've tried every combination I could think of. I notice in the Kindle setting there is also an on/off switch relating to Location Services and Google. This popup I'm getting usually happens when I go to Google.com, but not always. Sometimes it randomly comes up when I visit other sites. I'm wondering if I have something else installed that could be conflicting and prompting this popup. Here's screenshots of how I currently have it set and still getting the popup:
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This is making me feel completely ignorant, lol. I have it set to off in the Kindle settings as well as within Dolphin Browser. I'm still getting the popup. Could it have something to do with the "Private" mode setting? I have that set to off too, but I tried it with on and it still did it. Basically, I've tried every combination I could think of. I notice in the Kindle setting there is also an on/off switch relating to Location Services and Google. This popup I'm getting usually happens when I go to Google.com, but not always. Sometimes it randomly comes up when I visit other sites. I'm wondering if I have something else installed that could be conflicting and prompting this popup. Here's screenshots of how I currently have it set and still getting the popup:
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That might be it. I was getting that message on my wife's kindle before I turned that option off in dolphin, and haven't seen it since. But she doesn't have that Google services option in the kindle settings, just the basic kindle location settings one. She's running a pretty stock unrooted setup. Sorry I couldn't be more help. But if I had to guess, I would think that Google location setting is the culprit.
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That might be it. I was getting that message on my wife's kindle before I turned that option off in dolphin, and haven't seen it since. But she doesn't have that Google services option in the kindle settings, just the basic kindle location settings one. She's running a pretty stock unrooted setup. Sorry I couldn't be more help. But if I had to guess, I would think that Google location setting is the culprit.
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Thank you for helping me out. I'll play around with it a bit more and report back any new results.
Edit: It appears that in Dolphin Browser if you view sites via the desktop version and not the mobile version ('classic' in Google) this popup does not appear, which is just fine with me as I dislike mobile versions of webpages anway. So, all is good: location based services are disabled and no more popups!
Nice, glad you got it working!
I have dolphin set as iPad. Afterall, this is a tablet.
Braves1995 said:
Hi all,
I've been plagued with this issue over the last month or so. I have location based services set to off and get a frequent popup box stating the following:
"Location Based Service Disabled. You need to enable location based services if you want to use the location-based features of this application. Once enabled, Kindle Fire will use Wi-Fi to help determine your location."
This comes up when I have Dolphin Browser open and go to Google, and sporadically at other websites. Anyone know a way to STOP this from coming up?? If I wanted this service enabled (which I don't, and won't), I would enable the thing. Why the constant nag to turn it on? It seems it must be related to a particular app I have installed, but I haven't been able to pinpoint which one.
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Old thread yes, but I just experienced this problem so just in case anyone else has it... Unfortunately I own a Fire 7, 5th generation running 5.3.2.1. Since it can't be rooted, I am trying to limit Amazon's access to the tablet as much as possible. While I was doing so, I was setting up WiFi and went to location based services and pretty much turned off all location services to all Amazon apps and services, including Silk. Opps. What I didn't realize was I had installed other apps which I had yet to fully set up. When I turned off the location for Silk, it blocked Google and other services from receiving my location. I managed to fix the issue, while still having all Amazon location services turned off, by installing google Maps and allowing Google to access my location through there. It worked and i still have all of Amazon blocked.
It is really great to have the Google Play Store to leverage the apps I already bought for the kids. But unfortunately, since the Amazon child profiles can't see them, and the issues I mentioned elswhere with the Kindle reader being tied to the device account, sigh... It looks like a move to CM might be the only option.
But one curiosity, if I stay with this setup of the Fire software and sideloaded Google Play stuff... When I go to the online play store, I see my other [older] devices registered there, but I can't see the new ones. However, if I go to the device locater, they do show up. Very strange. But I can't see them in the device list or when it comes to download/install software from the web.
Anyone else getting this to work or seeing this same behavior?
I have the same question. It's a bit annoying. It can be much easier to use Google Play on a desktop, and then have it push the app to the device.
Has anyone figured out a way to get the Fire listed as one of your devices in the Google Play desktop store? I assume it involves some sort of registration that our method of installing Google Play and its required services does not do.
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I have the same question. It's a bit annoying. It can be much easier to use Google Play on a desktop, and then have it push the app to the device.
Has anyone figured out a way to get the Fire listed as one of your devices in the Google Play desktop store? I assume it involves some sort of registration that our method of installing Google Play and its required services does not do.
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A common problem with custom roms and 3rd party devices (Google it) that has nothing to do with the method used to install Google Play components. All my Amazon devices show up just fine; took no special steps to make it happen. Likely something related to Google Account configuration IMHO.
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A common problem with custom roms and 3rd party devices (Google it) that has nothing to do with the method used to install Google Play components. All my Amazon devices show up just fine; took no special steps to make it happen. Likely something related to Google Account configuration IMHO.
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So you run stock roms on your Amazon devices? I'm just running FireOS, albeit now with the Nova Launcher. Do you have any FireOS devices that have it?
I'm actually kinda hoping someone will have a device that works and one that doesn't and they can try and see what the underlying difference is.
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So you run stock roms on your Amazon devices? I'm just running FireOS, albeit now with the Nova Launcher. Do you have any FireOS devices that have it?
I'm actually kinda hoping someone will have a device that works and one that doesn't and they can try and see what the underlying difference is.
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At present I do not have FireOS running on any of my devices. Not a bad rom once debloated if you like the presentation. My leanings are closer to AOSP (pure Android UI).
I don't believe a direct comparison will yield any clues as the problem has been around for years, crosses multiple device types and has (so far) resisted efforts to diagnose. There are a handful of workarounds and supposed fixes but what works for one often fails for the rest.
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There are a handful of workarounds and supposed fixes but what works for one often fails for the rest.
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Do you know of any of them?
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Do you know of any of them?
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Google 'device not in play store' or similar constructs; lots of material. Maybe something will work for you!
Howdy,
I am looking for some very specific help here on my device and so will try to provide as much information as I can with regards to it.
The basic issue is that I cannot, for any adequate length of time (more than a few minutes or hours), access the Google Play store on my Kindle Fire 5th Gen after it's initial installation. This is on Fire OS 5.3.2.1.
Where I started:
I have followed the instructions on how to install Google Play on the Kindle Fire without requiring root, which is basically the installation of the four required APKs. I used the script posted here on the forums and it worked well enough, but I've also copied the APKs locally to the device and installed them from there using the Local Storage tab in the Docs app.
The issue:
Within a few minutes or hours of having the Google Play store working, I am, for a second time, prompted to accept the Google Play terms and conditions when I load the store app. Once I accept (which I have no real choice otherwise, it just exits the app if I click Decline), I am now faced with an empty store screen and the message saying that there are no apps I can install as my Administrator has not made any available to me.
As I am my own Administrator, I know this is utter nonsense. This is also only the case on my account, as a dummy account that is not part of my G-Suite account does not have this issue, but alas, also does not have my purchases associated with it so this is not a good permanent choice.
My troubleshooting:
This issue seems to be entirely due to some issue with the fact that I am using a G-Suite account (the previously named Google Apps for Work) and not just your average Google account. The "apparent" issue is that the Google Play Store app seems to think I am using an Advanced management device (more info here, support.google.com/a/answer/6328699).
I have spent a few hours on the phone with G-Suite support on this. There was a point I mistakenly had the Advanced management settings on (EMM is the main culprit setting, the ability for the Administrator to control which apps their users can install, users being myself, my wife, and our son), but I have since, and for over a week now, had it off. They say toggling that takes about 24 hours to propagate, so that should be plenty of time. All I really wanted anyway was the Basic management anyway, i.e., being able to remotely locate, wipe, remove account, etc., on my various devices should they be lost or stolen, but I turned on some settings that weren't worded well enough for me to understand, apparently, and so Advanced it was.
Even with the EMM off, I still receive this error. At this point, I have many times over removed both the device from my G-Suite account as well as turned off mobile management entirely (it currently sits off and has since last week) which should have made it about as equivalent to a standard Google account as you can get, and yet still, the second prompting of the terms and service and the subsequent inability to browse the store after more than a short while after it just worked a bit ago.
Workarounds:
I can uninstall all four Google services apps, re-install them, add a dummy account, and get any free apps I want installed on my Kindle added, then uninstall again, re-install again, and add my account back, and then launch the apps and have them work. But again, this doesn't give me access to my purchased apps or add-ins so is not the best choice of action, nor is having to do this whole process again and try to get the Google Play store to work for those precious few minutes before it conks out. Sometimes it's not even a few minutes, but usually it is, but nevertheless, not the best all-around choice.
My hopeful resolution?:
Since neither I nor G-Suite Support seems to know of a setting that is currently preventing this from working, I am wanting to try some other methods that seem logical to me.
1) Putting the Google Play Store on my wife's profile on my Kindle and have it install any apps for all users and not just her profile. That "all users" part is what I am missing how to do. I know the script mentioned above that installs Google Play does install to all users so I know it's possible. Naturally, I would prefer this done through the store and not through manual APKs but beggars can't be choosers. I just want my auto-updates!
2) Allowing the adding and management of multiple Google accounts under my single profile. Currently, only one Google account can be added using the method of installing the Google Play store above, and if I could add mine and a dummy one, it should also work, in theory, by just swapping back and forth on the Play store. Still limited by purchases that are tied to my account (I believe), but not add-ins. I'd have to see how much trouble that is worth, but it could be better than nothing.
3) Anything else someone here on the forums can think of.
I'm open to questions, suggestions, or whatever at this point. I've now spent two weeks on this and yet still no resolution.
Thanks!
Tough issue, but not entirely unexpected behavior given the interdependencies of Google Play services components and undocumented assumptions of how play services/store will be installed on unrooted systems. Layer on G-suite and you have a snakes pit. My guess is one of more of the installed components is self-updating while the others are not. Probably not going to be able to control that behavior on an unrooted device.
May be less involved (and more successful) grabbing a refurb from Amazon Warehouse which typically arrive with older/rootable firmware.
Did you ever find a solution to this? I've got exactly the same problem now... Information seems light out there.
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Did you ever find a solution to this? I've got exactly the same problem now... Information seems light out there.
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No, I never got a fix for this, and unfortunately I have been relegated to just uninstalling all apps that came direct from APKs or just not from the Amazon Appstore. It sucks and makes my Fire not very worth it, despite the nice price tag.
I've been trying to get the GAPPs off my Z3C one by one. I root the phone, I start removing GAPPS, eventually I remove something that causes a bootloop and I have to restore the system partition and start trying again. Is there any existing ROM for Z3C which is the basic Sony ROM (as in the camera works, etc) but without GAPPS?
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I'd also like to know this, without reinstalling or risk of bootloops if possible.
Would actually like to use features of the phone without google calling back home with timestamped records of every network ever connected on, every app used and apps calling back through gapps api so google can squirrel away location and wifi memory to your google identity forever. Maps would be useful.
Theseum said:
I'd also like to know this, without reinstalling or risk of bootloops if possible.
Would actually like to use features of the phone without google calling back home with timestamped records of every network ever connected on, every app used and apps calling back through gapps api so google can squirrel away location and wifi memory to your google identity forever. Maps would be useful.
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You can disable a lot of this stuff (assuming you have root) using AFWall+ and in the Apps Manager settings, I leave google play services disabled. This mostly works. Where I'm having an issue is that I'd like to install micro gms core https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-microg-gmscore-floss-play-services-t3217616 as a replacement for some of these things, but to do that I need to get a clean rom without GAPPS.
Another big issue for me is that, like you, I don't really want Google continually phoning home and such. For me, battery life and simply controlling my own network activity is my main motivation. But anyway, I would be almost really happy to live with google play services simply disabled, and then re-enabling it every once in a while when it's useful (a lot like how I use location), but the issue is that if you try to disable google play services then you get "would you like to remove any updates and go back to the default"? If you click "yes", then reenabling that service means that you have to redownload the updates. I'd be equally happy to live with google play services if I could enable and disable them at will without having to reupdate/uninstall updates every cycle. As it stands, I just live with them disabled. Since I have them disabled, I'd love to go ahead and remove them and try a substitute, thus my question in the OP.