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Hello;
I just received my Note 3 (N900W8) with Rogers Canada.
Ran Antutu and on stock w/o root I've been getting around 27000-31000 on multiple dry runs.
So out of curiosity I ran System Tuner with CPU Core addon, ran Antutu again, and I notice that cores 2 and 3 never activate (i.e. 0 activity). It's only cores 0 and 1 maxing out at 100%.
Is this normal? Under what circumstances would the rest of the two cores activate?
I had this same issue. I rebooted and re ran the benchmark and the other two cores became active. I have no clue why that happened.
That's normal, if all cores are constantly running we would get crappy battery life. They kick in depending on the demand , the higher the demand the more cores it will use.
RoloRacer on Note3 N900A
roloracer said:
That's normal, if all cores are constantly running we would get crappy battery life. They kick in depending on the demand , the higher the demand the more cores it will use.
RoloRacer on Note3 N900A
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True but benchmarking the system taxes it pretty hard I would think the cores should kick in doesnt seem right to me
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True but benchmarking the system taxes it pretty hard I would think the cores should kick in doesnt seem right to me
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That's exactly it. Two of the cores do not activate under benchmark which I find very unsettling. My replacement phone is under way though so I will see in a few days. This phone also has dead pixels. I may have gotten like the worst Note 3 lol.
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Hi, I'm leaving my garbage Xperia Sola after 2 years of blood cry because of its horrible SoC, its horrible software and his horrible support. Now I'm very interested in buying this new Moto G 2014. I ha ve some question for people more expert than me.
1) Do you know when it is going to be released in Italy?
2) What are the pros of this phone (other then price)?
3) Which features are a little economic or can create some troubles?
Thank you in advance
1) It's already available.
I'll answer based on reviews...
2) Build quality, screen, camera, battery life, stock android, android l update guaranteed.
3) Speakers are kinda weak, still using Snapdragon 400 and snapdragon 410 is already available.
Thank you for answers.
MiguelPT said:
1) It's already available.
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Really? In Western Europe Motorola site Moto G is Coming soon.
MiguelPT said:
Speakers are kinda weak
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Do you mean by loudness or by sound quality? In the latter case it wouldn't be a big problem for me.
MiguelPT said:
still using Snapdragon 400 and snapdragon 410 is already available.
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Snap 400 is a reliable proc, is there some other product with about same price that use Snap 410 for comparison?
Mons1990 said:
Thank you for answers.
Really? In Western Europe Motorola site Moto G is Coming soon.
Do you mean by loudness or by sound quality? In the latter case it wouldn't be a big problem for me.
Snap 400 is a reliable proc, is there some other product with about same price that use Snap 410 for comparison?
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It's already available in some european stores, like amazon.
I mean by sound quality, is poor, but i didn't test it myself.
Snap 400 uses A7 cores which makes it very slow compared to other SOCs, it's fast enough for now, but in the future i'm not sure. Snap 410 already uses new A53 cores which are a lot faster, efficient and supports 64-bit. The HTC Desire 510 comes with 410.
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Snap 400 uses A7 cores which makes it very slow compared to other SOCs, it's fast enough for now, but in the future i'm not sure. Snap 410 already uses new A53 cores which are a lot faster, efficient and supports 64-bit. The HTC Desire 510 comes with 410.
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I doubt that after Project Svelte in KitKat, they'd go back to a more cpu intensive way of operating. Android L having more animations, imo, will still be perfectly okay to run on a Snap 400, + ART Optimizations will also help. However, we can only wait and see :silly:
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I doubt that after Project Svelte in KitKat, they'd go back to a more cpu intensive way of operating. Android L having more animations, imo, will still be perfectly okay to run on a Snap 400, + ART Optimizations will also help. However, we can only wait and see :silly:
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I hope soo... They said i'll be easier on cpu and ram with ART, that's why i ordered this phone, i didn't spent an extra 130€ on the nexus 5 because of the battery.
how is the battery life?
MiguelPT said:
It's already available in some european stores, like amazon.
I mean by sound quality, is poor, but i didn't test it myself.
Snap 400 uses A7 cores which makes it very slow compared to other SOCs, it's fast enough for now, but in the future i'm not sure. Snap 410 already uses new A53 cores which are a lot faster, efficient and supports 64-bit. The HTC Desire 510 comes with 410.
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Thank you guy. I keep my Sola even if it sucks: this phone is too big and old.
Inviato dal mio Sony Xperia Tablet S attraverso l'app ufficiale xda-developers
Mons1990 said:
Thank you guy. I keep my Sola even if it sucks: this phone is too big and old.
Inviato dal mio Sony Xperia Tablet S attraverso l'app ufficiale xda-developers
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I wouldn't say it's old, but they could have updated the SoC...
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I wouldn't say it's old, but they could have updated the SoC...
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I know, that came from me. I think that for now we have to wait the Android L generation to know which phone is old and which is not; and usually my phones' life is of 2yrs or more, so I have to avoid to buy a phone and maybe 6 months later 1GB of ram become a ridiculous amount. I bought in 2011 a 512MB RAM phone, and now i have lots of troubles with it.
Let's see the price of Z1C at Christmas, when z3C will be already released.
I'm looking for a device to test android. I'm an iPhone user but always wanted to try the android world.
The other phones (htc m8, galaxy S5, xperia Z2) are too expensive in my country (damn taxes) and the low range devices are too underpowered and don't have a SD expansion (important to me).
I want a mid range phone to taste and if I decide to move to android I'll wait the Android L generation phones.
I don't play any games besides angry birds and boom beach. I do listen a lot of music (car Bluetooth) and GPS navigation (waze)
Maybe is the Moto G a good cost-benefit device?
I got mine yesterday. Performs just as well if not slightly faster than my NEXUS 4 (in terms of responsiveness). Limited memory can be a problem if you run multiple (memory intensive) apps simultaneously. When I run facebook app and chrome, it'll sometimes kick FB off memory, but it takes 2 sec to reload so not a big deal for me. Speakers are decent IMO. They are loud and distort at high volume, but knocking the volume down 2-3 steps help. Screen quality is very good and the gamut is similar to TV standard (~72% NTSC from what I can tell). The only quibble I found is stiffness of the buttons.
If you have any questions feel free to ask.
PS: I prefer SP 400 cos A7 is still more efficient than Cortex-A53. Also, ART should boost performance even further. I only wish the new Moto had 1.5 GB of RAM instead of 1.
MOTO G 2nd Generation Unboxing And Honest Review
http://youtu.be/7_iJYCZ-BGI
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I know, that came from me. I think that for now we have to wait the Android L generation to know which phone is old and which is not; and usually my phones' life is of 2yrs or more, so I have to avoid to buy a phone and maybe 6 months later 1GB of ram become a ridiculous amount. I bought in 2011 a 512MB RAM phone, and now i have lots of troubles with it.
Let's see the price of Z1C at Christmas, when z3C will be already released.
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Why are you comparing a 179$ phone with a 400$ phone? I don't understand why a lot of people compare a less than 200$ phone with a 400$ phone.
You should compare the new Moto X with Xperia Z1C, then it would be a fair comparison.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/04/in-depth-with-the-snapdragon-810s-heat-problems/
This articles above shows that you don't always get what you paid for when you buy the newest bleeding edge tech. It's about the the thermal throttling in the Snapdragon 800 series SoC's. The good ones the bad ones and it def hows a pattern of things being worse off during the beginning of a number in the in the "x" placement ----> 8x0.
Seems like big buyers are being experimented with a bit, tisk, tisk.
Now let's discuss
I would like to see this test redone with all SoCs undervolted as far as they will go.
I just want to add 2 things to this discussion:
1) Every mobile device will throttle at some point. This is the only way the SoC is able to manage its temperatures in a device that has zero active cooling. Either the user stops using the phone and it cools down or they continue using it and it will throttle.
2) It is the phone manufacturer's responsibility to design a phone and chassis that can support the thermal requirements of the SoC they have chosen for their device. If a phone over heats or the SoC is so throttled that it can never reach it's maximum clock speed (such as the Snapdragon 810 in the HTC M9) then the phone was designed poorly (based on the required specifications) and they should have chosen a lower power SoC.
I can't understand what manufacturers are looking for when they pack such CPUs in their flagship phones: the speed of a SD 801 is still cutting edge, and it has been the only chip capable of combining acceptable power consumption with top performance lately.
I'm a N5 owner, and really can't complain about speed, but that is just because CPU-intensive tasks, like rendering a webpage or opening an app, often last for just a few seconds, during which the phone doesn't heat up enough for thermal throttling to intervene. I rarely play games with my phone.
If Qualcomm focussed on reducing power consumption in the last couple of years, instead of searching for overly high performances, now we'd probably have phones with the SD 800's speed, but lasting two days, and with consistent performances during every kind of usage.
Damn it Qua!comm instead of jamming reference cores in to chips get cracking optimizing drivers to get more performance out of existing products. The Adreno driver overhead is embrassing.
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I can't understand what manufacturers are looking for when they pack such CPUs in their flagship phones: the speed of a SD 801 is still cutting edge, and it has been the only chip capable of combining acceptable power consumption with top performance lately.
I'm a N5 owner, and really can't complain about speed, but that is just because CPU-intensive tasks, like rendering a webpage or opening an app, often last for just a few seconds, during which the phone doesn't heat up enough for thermal throttling to intervene. I rarely play games with my phone.
If Qualcomm focussed on reducing power consumption in the last couple of years, instead of searching for overly high performances, now we'd probably have phones with the SD 800's speed, but lasting two days, and with consistent performances during every kind of usage.
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The Exynos 7420 delivers better performance, better thermal management and better efficiency.
thermal throttle, whats that?? ive disabled thermal throttle on every nexus thats ever had it, since the n4 that's the n4, n5, and now n6. but the n6 is the best at not getting hot. as i cant get it over 82C ever.
The problem is and it applies to terrible battery life is thin phones. We just do not need skinny phones. It's like women. We have been brainwashed into thinking thin phones and thin women are both sexy. I dislike women with a toastrack ribcage and would love my nexus 5 to be twice as thick. No throttling and huge battery life...
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The Exynos 7420 delivers better performance, better thermal management and better efficiency.
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Only because its on 14nm, if it would be built on 20nm it would throttle down just like the sd810. This isn't so much qualcomm's fault as it is arm's fault, the a53/a57 cores are simply too power hungry, the sd805 with a7/a15 cores barely gets throttled at 20nm.
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The problem is and it applies to terrible battery life is thin phones. We just do not need skinny phones. It's like women. We have been brainwashed into thinking thin phones and thin women are both sexy. I dislike women with a toastrack ribcage and would love my nexus 5 to be twice as thick. No throttling and huge battery life...
Sent from my Nexus 5
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I agree with the battery part... As for women I like a nice toned women.
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Only because its on 14nm, if it would be built on 20nm it would throttle down just like the sd810. This isn't so much qualcomm's fault as it is arm's fault, the a53/a57 cores are simply too power hungry, the sd805 with a7/a15 cores barely gets throttled at 20nm.
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your post conflicts by itself lol.
Also the 805 is a krait 400(or 500 can´t remember) architeture based on the a50 (the 800/801 are a15, and the 400 is based on the a7 with some variants based on the a9). Basicly the 805 runs a proprietary cpu architeture made after the a50 one, with the armv8 instruction set.
However the 810 runs the a51/53 instruction set, with no modifications, straight from ARM.and that´s something qualcomm didnt do for a long time,and as we can see the 810 WAS rushed to the market(the whole 64bit race)
Now for the thread, talking about the 800 series (since its what we have),it seems to have a good performance-heat ratio,however we feel it on our nexus due to poor thermal design, in the case of the n4/n5 the shield used to spread the heat don´t even touch the SOC lmao.
Talking qualcomm in general, i cant understand why they still have fails, having more than 15years of experience (10+ being with their own custom cores) i would expect them to not have these issues, but they still do.Also not going back much to the past, see the snap S4 gen 1 series(i.e the krait 200 variants, USA´S S3, Nexus 4 and such), they also have hw bugs(for instance, only the first core can go to fully deep sleep), thats something i would expect for a new player, not one with 15 years of experience(to make things even worse, qualcomm has been on the ARM market pretty much since the ARM arch/instruction set came out)
Also to OP, the 615,610,410,210 are all good socs, so the YXY pattern isn´t something here
However i must remember you guys, the one to blame here after all IS qualcomm, we dont have fully documentations and technical details or for most of you(including me) fully understanding of how a cpu is made / works but the a51 / 53 cores itself are fine, one player to see its the exynos 7220 on the s6, it runs a MALI gpu(which is from ARM,) and runs a53/51 architeture with a few modifications(not to the arch itself, but to the chip, make more thermal efficient, support samsung own branded chips, modems ,etc) and it runs better than the 810.
Also what made the 810 look worse is the drivers, adreno drivers sucks (sorry for the word, but this is more of a rant), my 4 year old MALI 400MP gpu haves about the same performance as my 2013´s adreno 330 (s3 exynos 4420 + mali 400mp vs nexus 5 snap 800 + adreno 330)
@opssemnik No way your mali 400MP is faster than an andreno 330
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@opssemnik No way your mali 400MP is faster than an andreno 330
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It really isnt in raw power or optmized games(gta sa and the newest NFS)but on the rest(even gta vice city) my s3 can keep up, and in fact due to better thermal design it can outstand the n5 after some time of playing
Nothing wrong with toned. But this craze of super thin is crazy. As for batteries if some one had come out with a replacement back with a huge battery inthat sloped to the camera that clipped in to replace the other I'd of been in heaven. My Nexus is in a heavy Spiegen case and I'm always amazed how skinny it is when I take it out to clean. I prefer it in the case. Feels better built
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Hello Xda-ians,does anyone know the difference between the processors of MI5 variants.As the processor of the 32gb variant is clocked at 1.8 ghz and rest of the two variants are clocked at 2.1 ghz i want to know that whether the 32gb variant processor is only underclocked or is there any difference in architecture also
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Hello Xda-ians,does anyone know the difference between the processors of MI5 variants.As the processor of the 32gb variant is clocked at 1.8 ghz and rest of the two variants are clocked at 2.1 ghz i want to know that whether the 32gb variant processor is only underclocked or is there any difference in architecture also
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They are technically the same chip, just lower quality and as such they are underclocked. (someone please correct me if that's wrong)
I've got the 32GB 1.8GHz variant and have found it to be extremely fast. With a custom kernel we might be able to squeeze a little more juice out of too. Really looking forward to that.
Pretty sure they're the exact same chip just underclocked. Correct ME if I'm wrong.
if they are lower-binned chips, besides being underclocked, they could have higher voltages to maintain stable work on each of frequency steps.
Sorry for pushing this old thread.
I searched the Internet but didnt found any information to this subject. Anyone knows more about it meanwhile?
I dont want to buy the 32gb version if it means worse battery life.
I can't tell you much in a very scientific manner. However, I bought this phone following a recommendation from a friend. He has the 32gb underclocked version whereas I got the 128gb on sale . We compare numbers often and with similar usage, at the end of the day I have maybe 10% more battery left.
Again, this is very unscientific - for example, I don't have the Facebook app installed, whereas he does, and the battery menu points that app as a heavy battery drain.
We do have similar soc and data/Wi-Fi usage, if that helps.
Thanks for your answer, there doesnt seem to be a large difference in sot between the two variants, im getting around 10 hours sot.
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Thanks for your answer, there doesnt seem to be a large difference in sot between the two variants, im getting around 10 hours sot.
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10h sot ?? which rom and which kernel ?? I usually get around 5-6h sot.
Anyone else have their phone get very warm while watching YouTube? I keep my quality set at 480p due to never being on wifi.
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Anyone else have their phone get very warm while watching YouTube? I keep my quality set at 480p due to never being on wifi.
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It does seem to warm up rather readily even with light workloads. I've watched the internal temps though and they stay really really low always. It seems to just be very good at venting heat in general, so I think we just need to get used to the warmth lol
Can you tell me how much tempreture is showing your CPU? My 35-45 Celsius for general use. (Not gaming)
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It does seem to warm up rather readily even with light workloads. I've watched the internal temps though and they stay really really low always. It seems to just be very good at venting heat in general, so I think we just need to get used to the warmth lol
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Can you tell me how much tempreture is showing your CPU? My 35-45 Celsius for general use. (Not gaming)
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Can you tell me how much tempreture is showing your CPU? My 35-45 Celsius for general use. (Not gaming)
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General use about 35-45 and not more that 55 while gaming. Other phones get a lot hotter but the heat stays trapped inside. So feeling warmer than expected is ok for this phone
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Can you tell me how much tempreture is showing your CPU? My 35-45 Celsius for general use. (Not gaming)
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What's the temp after 25-30 mins of gaming? I'm thinking the 64GB model is a beta test for the 128GB model. I can't find the 128GB anywhere.
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What's the temp after 25-30 mins of gaming? I'm thinking the 64GB model is a beta test for the 128GB model. I can't find the 128GB anywhere.
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naximum 55 C. I heard the 128GB model is coming on December
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naximum 55 C. I heard the 128GB model is coming on December
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Well I have 128GB oneplus 6 already and I have calls working on a verizon MVNO... Still working on changing the APN settings on the oneplus 6. The MVNO is evewn more clueless than VZW reps when it comes to CDMA-LESS profiles on the sim cards. Also the razer phone 2 still not having the images released for it bugs me, I like having root to get rid rid the crap I don't want. Believe it or not I'm looking at the razor phone 2 for my dad he plays games and watches youtube videos like crazy.