Getting a TON of google play services errors... - Xiaomi Mi MIX Questions & Answers

I have just received the phone last night and read through this forum to change some settings for optimization..and I am getting an ungodly amount of errors with anything google...
all of the errors say "Unfortunately, Google *insert name of google app*.....has anyone had these popups happen? It happens the worst when i try to open up the "google" app, just a ton of popup errors and can't even use the app..if I hit cancel another one comes up.
thanks
UPDATE: problem solved.....just did a factory reset and re-installed Gapps and gave them ALL permissions..all is well, for the time

Yes.
I had this problem and solved it as you did.
In addition TWRP, Rooting with Su and installing Xposed gives you very granular control of the Mi Mix
Cheers
J

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Issues with Market After Factory Reset

Alright, guys. I can't figure this one out. After wiping my nook, I planned to sell it to a family member that needs a tablet. When I wiped it and reinstalled RC1 of CM7.1, It brought me to the usual sign in, Gapps installer, blah blah blah. However, most of the applications said "item could not be found". Oh well....I'll just hop on the market and install the ones that failed, right? Wrong. I go to install them and they don't have an install button. I also tried wiping data/cache for the Google Framework and the market and restarting, fixing permissions, and reflashing the rom and Gapps. No luck. I tried signing into her account on market.android.com, and they say "this item is not compatible with this device". WHAT? I just had it installed. The apps that don't work are Maps, Youtube, and Adobe Flash Player. Otherwise, Gmail, Voice, and Voice Search all installed correctly. Weird. Anybody else run into this and know how to fix it?
Search a little. There must be a dozen posts about missing apps here....
Already did search. Didn't find anything like my issue.
I have not changed anything since last night when I had downloaded a few free apps and uninstalled others. This morning I started to do the same and have several free apps that I have no download button for as well. *Note: Apps are showing up in Market with all their info just no download button.
Hearing Saver and Myth Defense LF are two examples of apps that I have a download button for on my DroidX with CM7 but not on the NC.
*Should consolidate to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1196417
Look around multiple threads going on about this. Find market in settings and then uninstall updates.
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Google Play Server Error

I was updating some apps last night and all of them updated without problems. I checked some apps and decided to download a few. Even if the app was free, play store keeps giving me an error of processing a purchase. I restarted play store and now I cant enter it and it just gives me a server error. Ive read several threads here but the solutions did not work for. Those include clearing data, uninstalling updates, updating play store and flashing latest GApps. I do keep getting an error saying maps has unfortunately stopped working. Could this be related? Note that I didnt do anything to the system. This just suddenly happened. On the play store site I get this “You haven’t accessed the Google Play Store app (the white shopping bag app icon)". Anyone know a fix?
Kcube989 said:
I was updating some apps last night and all of them updated without problems. I checked some apps and decided to download a few. Even if the app was free, play store keeps giving me an error of processing a purchase. I restarted play store and now I cant enter it and it just gives me a server error. Ive read several threads here but the solutions did not work for. Those include clearing data, uninstalling updates, updating play store and flashing latest GApps. I do keep getting an error saying maps has unfortunately stopped working. Could this be related? Note that I didnt do anything to the system. This just suddenly happened. On the play store site I get this “You haven’t accessed the Google Play Store app (the white shopping bag app icon)". Anyone know a fix?
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try wiping data of play store (i just same as factory reset for d apps and solve almost all prob of apps like fc,etc) but dont unistall it....
hope probally solve ur prob else reflash a rom with full wipe method and do backup ur apps in titanium backup app....
all d best buddy...!!!:good:
I already tried clearing data and it did not work. Gonna try reflashing in the weekend

MotoG 2nd Gen XT1068 OS issues

Hello,
My phone (out of warrenty) was dropped in water, so had to change some hardware outside. After which I kept getting play store errors. Many apps would also throw random errors, even after doing factory reset. So I thought may be ROM too need to be flashed due to new hardware. I searched for the Stock ROM (Kitkat 4.4.4) and found one (phone shows 21.11.27.titan.retaildsds.retaildsdsall.en.03retin). I flashed it (I just had to run a file on fastboot mode - Auto Restore Script.bat). After that I havent been able to install apps through play store. It keeps popping error 495. I can install a few apps at random, but not everything. I did the whole process at least 3-4 times again, changed wifi connection etc. No luck. Any help here?
PS: I am totally a new person to all android related stuff, but ready to learn if right instructions are given. Thanks.
Hi,
I will have your thread moved to your device section.
Good luck!
yuppie, on lollipop now!
@garrittw: your response is a little too late You see, in my desperate attempts to make my phone work, I got it on Lollipop 5.0 (used the files from here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/mot...m-1-tweet-rate-thread-add-poll-titan-t2989793)
The end scene is that everything is working on my phone. But it took a lot of time to make it happen. After installing gapps, I continuously got google play services error. The same play store problem persisted too. But this time something different happened. After 2-3 attempts at downloading one app, i got it to donwload. Also updated google play services somehow. It was frustrating though as for every app download I had to try multiple times. Surprisingly amazon appstore downloads were successful. So I also used that to download the ones available there. But I am happy now that my phone works perfectly with all the apps that I need up to date . I am feeling so happy about it, as this was my first stint at android troubleshooting as a total novice
However I still think I will run into the same play store problem whenver I would try to update any app, so I think I will use your patch anyway. Thanks
JJD Edit
Please don't discuss or recommend lucky patcher on xda. Moderaters will not tolerate software that is primarily warez related. Threads get closed because of that. Thanks
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Please don't discuss or recommend lucky patcher on xda. Moderaters will not tolerate software that is primarily warez related. Threads get closed because of that. Thanks
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This ^^^^^^^^^^ and thread Cleaned.....
sejalparikh said:
It keeps popping error 495.
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Try this:
Settings > Apps > swipe until you see category "all"
Search for "Google Play Store" and clear data.
Search for "Googe Services Framework" and clear data.
Now open the play store and try to install something.
If you still get 495 go to Settings > Accounts and delete your Google account. Restart phone and add your Google account. Should be fixed.
tried everything on 495, no luck
doppelhelix said:
Try this:
Settings > Apps > swipe until you see category "all"
Search for "Google Play Store" and clear data.
Search for "Googe Services Framework" and clear data.
Now open the play store and try to install something.
If you still get 495 go to Settings > Accounts and delete your Google account. Restart phone and add your Google account. Should be fixed.
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I had tried ALL the suggestion on the internet for 495, nothing worked. Even flashing multiple versions of systems dint work. Still get 495 at times with the 5.0.2, but works when i try multiple times. I also tried different wifi connection, no luck there too

[GUIDE] New method to install Google Mobile Services on Huawei P40 and other phones

[GUIDE] New method to install Google Mobile Services on Huawei P40 / Mate 30 and other phones without GMS
Hi guys!!!
I'm thrilled to report that I just found this new way to get Google Mobile Services to work on Huawei and Honor devices that don't have them.
It's totally working [today is 20 june 2020] and it SOLVES the new problem that doesn't let the users sign-in to their Google accounts at the time of the installation.
Everything is very detailed and shown step-by-step on the following video...
Please be sure to download the .zip file that has all the stuff needed to get this to work. Using this method, that zip file must be copied to the root a pen-drive. It's here, for Android 10: https://bit.ly/2ATWPGE
[UPDATE - 29 / June / 2020]
Important stuff:
- You must have your phone in english in order to proceed with this method.
- After it is complete you can switch back to your preferred language, without problems.
- If you want to add more Google accounts, you should do this procure while you are installing GMS. Use this link: https://youtu.be/jgCN6SeP32c?t=1418 It guides directly to the right moment in that video.
By the way, it's working great for a lot of users. Push notifications, though, aren't working.
Still, I believe this is the best method around.
Cheers!
Amazing!
Just tried it - not working for me. Got passed the sign in issue where the old method failed, and successfully created a google account. However I get the message at the end of the process that my device isn't Google Play certified. I followed video to the end where I repeat the uninstalling and re-installing the last items again, but still the same error. I can get Play Store to run, and download aps, eg Gmail, but when I run it, there is the same error about play services not supported.
UPDATE.
Repested the last few stages AGAIN and now - Gmail runs and I can see my emails, however after a few seconds it closes every time.
Play store is no longer working.
Getting an "Error while retrieving information from serve: DF-DFERH-01"
I'll keep trying I guess
OK, giving up. I have repeated the uninstall, reinstall steps several times now and can't get it to work. Interestingly, in Device ID software my phone no longer shows any information for Google Services Framework, IMEI, SIM Subscriber ID, Sim Card, Hardware Serial. I'm guessing this is why Play Store won't run. Have tried rebooting.
Going to remove everything and reboot. Have to wait for another guide/work around.
DTBrum said:
Just tried it - not working for me. Got passed the sign in issue where the old method failed, and successfully created a google account. However I get the message at the end of the process that my device isn't Google Play certified. I followed video to the end where I repeat the uninstalling and re-installing the last items again, but still the same error. I can get Play Store to run, and download aps, eg Gmail, but when I run it, there is the same error about play services not supported.
UPDATE.
Repested the last few stages AGAIN and now - Gmail runs and I can see my emails, however after a few seconds it closes every time.
Play store is no longer working.
Getting an "Error while retrieving information from serve: DF-DFERH-01"
I'll keep trying I guess
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same issue here..
the "new Method" works only temp...
- it works only on english system language
- after change to german system language, you get this error: Error while retrieving information from serve: DF-DFERH-01"
- or this can be fixed b ycleared cache and data of the services framework again (+force stop) but than you are can access google pay store but than the notifcation issue starts again.
Its not 100% and its not heaven and not better as any other methods on the past. It only fix the "google server can not be reached issue" and add two more problems..
Deffault said:
[GUIDE] New method to install Google Mobile Services on Huawei P40 / Mate 30 and other phones without GMS
Hi guys!!!
I'm thrilled to report that I just found this new way to get Google Mobile Services to work on Huawei and Honor devices that don't have them.
It's totally working [today is 20 june 2020] and it SOLVES the new problem that doesn't let the users sign-in to their Google accounts at the time of the installation.
Everything is very detailed and shown step-by-step on the following video...
Please be sure to download the .zip file that has all the stuff needed to get this to work. Using this method, that zip file must be copied to the root a pen-drive. It's here, for Android 10: https://bit.ly/2ATWPGE
I'll detail the method here (in text), but right now I just wanted to let everyone know that this exists and it's heaven.
Cheers!
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For me everything is working fine except google push service. Not receiving notification for most of the apps.
matzedin said:
same issue here..
the "new Method" works only temp...
- it works only on english system language
- after change to german system language, you get this error: Error while retrieving information from serve: DF-DFERH-01"
- or this can be fixed b ycleared cache and data of the services framework again (+force stop) but than you are can access google pay store but than the notifcation issue starts again.
Its not 100% and its not heaven and not better as any other methods on the past. It only fix the "google server can not be reached issue" and add two more problems..
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You are wrong. You are writing many wrong things. I used this method on my P40 in asian language and all works good. No notifications after reboot or similar. That DF-DFERH-01 error is a common problem that can come out also on previous guides. You need to reset your device and start following the guide from scratch.
denzel09 said:
You are wrong. You are writing many wrong things. I used this method on my P40 in asian language and all works good. No notifications after reboot or similar. That DF-DFERH-01 error is a common problem that can come out also on previous guides. You need to reset your device and start following the guide from scratch.
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please: shut up..and dont provide fake infos: i had reset the device 20 ! times this night! It dont work!
Or can you explain me why thee notification is still coming after installing the file of step 5 but NOT before as i installed file STEP 4!
antony1020 said:
For me everything is working fine except google push service. Not receiving notification for most of the apps.
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That's normal
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DTBrum said:
OK, giving up. I have repeated the uninstall, reinstall steps several times now and can't get it to work. Interestingly, in Device ID software my phone no longer shows any information for Google Services Framework, IMEI, SIM Subscriber ID, Sim Card, Hardware Serial. I'm guessing this is why Play Store won't run. Have tried rebooting.
Going to remove everything and reboot. Have to wait for another guide/work around.
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That's a common problem also with old guides. You need to reset completely your device and follow the guide from scratch until the Device ID appears again.
denzel09 said:
That's normal
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Is there any way to fix this. I tried lots of tutorials/guides nothing works. I want notification to be received atleast in MS teams.
Not sure if any of you used THIS tutorial. It works perfectly. Only thing I don't have is Gmail notifications... No errors of any kind...
denzel09 said:
That's normal
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That's a common problem also with old guides. You need to reset completely your device and follow the guide from scratch until the Device ID appears again.
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I'll wait until others post about their experiences. I have wiped my device, done a full factory reset. Interestingly I tried my online banking app before wiping it - it reported me as signing in from another device. It listed this phone and the phone from yesterday (same handset) before I attempted this as 2 different devices. So I'm wondering if this works by sending some spoof ID (or even changes ID) to Google to get it as an authorised device, especially as a lot of the info was missing from Device ID? Play store was originally working up until you have to start uninstalling and re-installing files.
I may be tempted again at some point, especially if there is a way of doing this that works long term. But for now I think I will invest my time in finding alternatives to Google apps and look to moving my info across there. The only thing I used on a regular basis and will miss is the contactless payments., especially with Covid19. I can get emails working using another app that has access to Gmail. It's easy enough to export your data if you want to ditch Google. So far I've only encountered 2 non Google apps I use that refuse to run, FlightRadar24 (geek alert) and Ebay. It should be possible to access these from browser, I guess - not tried yet. And I have a good alternative for YouTube that works great as well. I can even use the online banking. Only had the phone 2 days, so still enjoying trying something different to my previous Samsung phones.
RedSkyRoad said:
Not sure if any of you used THIS tutorial. It works perfectly. Only thing I don't have is Gmail notifications... No errors of any kind...
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Hi,
I followed this guide,
Working fine, only no push notifications for Gmail.
WhatsApp etc, Play Store working fine
Sent from my ELS-NX9 using Tapatalk
Those who still have the problem
Do stop and delete
Google Play services
Google Services Framework
Install them again
Step 3
Google Services Framework
Then
Step 5
Google Play services
Restart the phone
Repeat the process if the problem is still
solmy said:
Those who still have the problem
Do stop and delete
Google Play services
Google Services Framework
Install them again
Step 3
Google Services Framework
Then
Step 5
Google Play services
Restart the phone
Repeat the process if the problem is still
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i did that at least 50 times and still not working
HassenC said:
Hi,
I followed this guide,
Working fine, only no push notifications for Gmail.
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I noticed that my Google Play Services has an update in the Play Store. Do you think I should just leave it alone or should I update it? I don't want to break the whole thing again
RedSkyRoad said:
I noticed that my Google Play Services has an update in the Play Store. Do you think I should just leave it alone or should I update it? I don't want to break the whole thing again
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No idea,
I'm a bit hesitant to update as well for the same reason.
Maybe someone that knows better can advise us.
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solmy said:
Those who still have the problem
Do stop and delete
Google Play services
Google Services Framework
Install them again
Step 3
Google Services Framework
Then
Step 5
Google Play services
Restart the phone
Repeat the process if the problem is still
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this must me proceed all 24h..sometimes 2 times a day..that really bad!
gabud2691 said:
i did that at least 50 times and still not working
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matzedin said:
this must me proceed all 24h..sometimes 2 times a day..that really bad!
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this the simplest and shortest way. always work with me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDtx_wdR_Yc
RedSkyRoad said:
I noticed that my Google Play Services has an update in the Play Store. Do you think I should just leave it alone or should I update it? I don't want to break the whole thing again
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dont update it. it will overwrite the gms core mod 2. error notification will appear agaoin
klebengan said:
this the simplest and shortest way. always work with me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDtx_wdR_Yc
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That way hasn't worked for some time as it fails where you have to sign in to your Google account.
The updated way gets you to sign in from your browser.
The issue is something breaks once you start the uninstall and reinstall part. I had Play store running fine, and notifications coming through. Device ID doesn't show up any information about the phone any more and I get the error the device isn't authorised for use on Google Play services.
At the end of the video it states the steps to take if it doesn't work. Repeated them numerous times with no success. Factory reset phone and gave up.

[QUESTION] SafetyNet passed and device certified, but no Netflix on Play Store

Basically what the title says. I know is not a big deal not having Netflix, Mario Run or Mario Kart (maybe more, those are the ones I use) on Play Store, but it is useful for auto updates.
AFAIK this happens when Play Store is not certified or detecting unlocked bootloader. Now, the thing is, I have everything hidden in Magisk, SafetyNet pass on both Magisk and this app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.scottyab.safetynet.sample
And weirdly enough, they seem to show up from time to time. How exactly does this work? Is it a play store detection thing, or is it some kind of flag on google's database? Because from the web, the apps shows as "not compatible" with my phone (when they don't appear on the phone, when they appear they are compatible on the web as well).
Sometimes I clear the data of play store and play services, but it doesn't seem to work, or seems to work randomly. I also tried clearing google services framework data, and it helped a couple of times, although I don't do that know, it mess up with apps and I learned that the hard way hehe
I'm just trying to figure out the google handling of this, and maybe a permanent solution from there.
I have a Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro with MIUI 12 (xiaomi.eu), Magisk and Xposed (phone's fingerprint is faked from an untouched phone and I can pass all the tests and use GPay, have Widevine L1... so all seems ok execpt for the apps things, which is beginning to bug me.
Thanks in advance.
I managed to get the apps showing on the store by doing these steps:
-Disabling internet connection on the phone
-Wiping play store and play services and rebooting
-Logging out from the device through the google security panel website
-Waiting 30min to 1h.
-Enabling internet again.
Then the apps were compatible again, as I can see on the play store web (not the app).
BUT, after 24h hours, or a bit less actually, they AGAIN appear as NOT COMPATIBLE on the play store web.
I'm trying to figure out why this may happen. Any clues? Thanks!
eXtremeDevil said:
I managed to get the apps showing on the store by doing these steps:
-Disabling internet connection on the phone
-Wiping play store and play services and rebooting
-Logging out from the device through the google security panel website
-Waiting 30min to 1h.
-Enabling internet again.
Then the apps were compatible again, as I can see on the play store web (not the app).
BUT, after 24h hours, or a bit less actually, they AGAIN appear as NOT COMPATIBLE on the play store web.
I'm trying to figure out why this may happen. Any clues? Thanks!
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Hi, not sure if this answer will solve your problem, I'll post anyway.
I needed an app available only in US on time. So I got a VPN and connected it. But the app still wasn't available. So I force closed the app and cleared the data (only for the play store) and it worked perfectly.
I know you already cleared data. But this time, try those steps, maybe it'll work:
1- Enable Magisk Hide
2- Force Close Play Store
3- Clear only the Play Store Data
4- Launch the Play Store and see if it worked
Hope this will help.
Have a good day
Thanks for the answer, but I think the problem is a bit more complex than that. Yesterday I re-did all my steps again and I got this:
This time I have not turned off my phone since then, and the "compatibility" is maintained. I will try to stay another 24h with my phone on, then I will turn it off on tuesday night and see what happens.
Also, I think this post would be more useful in the Magisk thread, maybe? Could an admin move it there?
Thanks!
@eXtremeDevil
The "incompatible with your device" message is only shown if you open Google Play Store in PC's browser., not if you run Google Play Store on phone: there an incompatible app simply isn't listed.
Your issue has nothing to do with fact that Magisk is installed on your phone.
Download APK from another market. Open it with 7zip or any other unpacker. Look inside extracted file Manifest.xml for any app's restrictions.
jwoegerbauer said:
Your issue has nothing to do with fact that Magisk is installed on your phone.
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Then where's the issue? Netflix is obviously compatible, is not a "real" incompatibility. Seems to me that google play store or services detect something on the phone then tell google servers to flag those apps as incompatible, therefore they are NOT shown on the phone and listed as "incompatible" on the web.
What I'm trying to do is to prevent this, prevent the phone from detecting whatever it is detecting and prevent my phone services to tell to google services/servers/database/whatever.
Because I can assure you, before rooting/Magisk this did NOT happen. So no, this is not a "real" incompatibility issue. Actually, as you can see on my screenshot, it IS compatible right now xD Who knows how many hours will this time last...
@eXtremeDevil
If your statement "SafetyNet passed and device certified" - what indicates Magisk gets not detected - is actually still true then turn on your mind.
That's the kind of help I'm asking here, AGAIN, my device is FULLY compatible with Netflix or Mario Run. I installed them through Play Store with no issues and I can run them with no issues. BUT for some reason, even passing SafetyNet and being the device certified, sometimes google detects something that makes those apps incompatible, and no, is it not the hardware or the ROM, is a security related issue, only I don't know which one.
OK, so today after 3 or for days without issues (and without rebooting) I rebooted the phone and the problem went back. I wiped both play store and play services data, rebooted three times and so far so good. Let's see what happens.
Could any forum moderators move this thread to the Magisk subforum?
Thanks.
eXtremeDevil said:
OK, so today after 3 or for days without issues (and without rebooting) I rebooted the phone and the problem went back. I wiped both play store and play services data, rebooted three times and so far so good. Let's see what happens.
Could any forum moderators move this thread to the Magisk subforum?
Thanks.
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Nice to see it worked
(I'll ask the mods for the thread to be moved, if you wanna do that yourself next time just report your thread and select "thread moving")
Raiz said:
Nice to see it worked
(I'll ask the mods for the thread to be moved, if you wanna do that yourself next time just report your thread and select "thread moving")
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Thanks for the moving trick, I didn't know that
Ask for the problem, is not actually fixed, I still lose those apps from time to time, and I'm still looking for a cause and for a definitive solution
It happened again after 2 or 3 reboots. I suspect the culprit is EdXposed or one of its modules. What I can't understand is why my other phone doesn't have that issue, or my girlfriends phone, that actually has the original Xposed...
I was seeing a similar issue. Without Magisk installed I was able to download Netflix from the Play store without issue. After Magisk installed and pass CTS, going back to play store Netflix app page showed red error msg, "This app isn't compatible with your device anymore. Contact the developers for more info." Force stop Play Store, clearing cache/storage resolved issue.
Curious but did you try setting the Magisk Manager option to hide and rename the manager package? Also if you have either ed/xposed, did you check if installing SudoHide module and hiding Magisk Manager from Play Store turns out different results? Doing the latter will remove Play Store (or any app you hide from Magisk through SudoHide for that matter) from the Magisk hide app list, something to keep in mind in case you need magisk hide enabled for play store, but I'm assuming you don't need to since you tried that already to no avail. Otherwise I'm curious to know if either, both, or neither solves this issue.
mr3p said:
I was seeing a similar issue. Without Magisk installed I was able to download Netflix from the Play store without issue. After Magisk installed and pass CTS, going back to play store Netflix app page showed red error msg, "This app isn't compatible with your device anymore. Contact the developers for more info." Force stop Play Store, clearing cache/storage resolved issue.
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Yes, that seemst to work. I think I also need to clean Play Services app as well.
mario0318 said:
Curious but did you try setting the Magisk Manager option to hide and rename the manager package? Also if you have either ed/xposed, did you check if installing SudoHide module and hiding Magisk Manager from Play Store turns out different results? Doing the latter will remove Play Store (or any app you hide from Magisk through SudoHide for that matter) from the Magisk hide app list, something to keep in mind in case you need magisk hide enabled for play store, but I'm assuming you don't need to since you tried that already to no avail. Otherwise I'm curious to know if either, both, or neither solves this issue.
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Tried that, didn't work. And yes, I have the manager renamed to something random.
SafetyNet does not pass 100% of the time, the clear data works but only for a while, I guess there's nothing to be done here...

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