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Why it is so quiet here ?

Hi,
is there any reason because it is so quiet in S4 Active Rom section ?
On my old device HTC sensation i could flash five news rom a day, if i want.
ok we have a deoxed stock and one nearly working CM 10.2.
Last days, i saw for 2 hours, a S4 Active Miui thread, it is deleted.
i wish me a AOSP AOKP CM & MIUI Rom for our "better" S4.
And i want to flash @ minimum twice a day but it seems i have to wait.
i hope there would be a big customrom scene in the future for i9295.

dest4b said:
Hi,
is there any reason because it is so quiet in S4 Active Rom section ?
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Yes there is - its called "SAMSUNG". You may ask why? Basically it comes down to this: Samsung announced the S4 heavily and sold it a few months before announcing the S4A. The result: No one bought the S4A because they own the S4 already. Why should they update? In my case the screen and the additional protection was worth waiting a bit longer but for most other users... Also many of them will be on a two year contract and selling their device to get a new one isn't an option (Not just warranty wise).
To sum it up: Samsung released too many devices in a too short time and the S4A was too late.
Also look at their release sheme: totally locked up in the US, more open - but really late - in most of the european countrys. Not very tempting for devs... I sincerly hope for a few latecomers otherwise I may have to learn to program myself :silly:

So im realy happy that LeJays Rom is running
But since my first SE P800 i was always nervous in Rain and sport actions to frag my Smartphone.
Now i am a bit relaxed if it starts to rain or if i starts to sweat
And i think also i would never buy a normal S4 because i dont like the over-colored and blue Oled displays.
So in my opinion the S4A is the better S4.

Michse222 said:
Yes there is - its called "SAMSUNG". You may ask why? Basically it comes down to this: Samsung announced the S4 heavily and sold it a few months before announcing the S4A. The result: No one bought the S4A because they own the S4 already. Why should they update? In my case the screen and the additional protection was worth waiting a bit longer but for most other users... Also many of them will be on a two year contract and selling their device to get a new one isn't an option (Not just warranty wise).
To sum it up: Samsung released too many devices in a too short time and the S4A was too late.
Also look at their release sheme: totally locked up in the US, more open - but really late - in most of the european countrys. Not very tempting for devs... I sincerly hope for a few latecomers otherwise I may have to learn to program myself :silly:
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This x2. I only bought the S4A because I was in Hawai'i at the release time (S4s are around 1k here and S4As are going for $1200 bucks). I was using a Rugby Smart and decided that I wanted JB (or at least ICS), GB just wasn't cutting it any more. Personally I don't care about ROMs, only root so I'm still happy with my S4A.
Everyone I know here either bought the S4 or iFail 5, and now that both of those have waterproof cases the S4A isn't even a consideration for them. They think it's cool that I don't 'need' a case for the waterproofing, but it's not really a big deal any more. Plus S4s are coming available 2nd hand, the S4As aren't (yet).

Well here's the good news:
Hashcode just posted Safestrap for the GS4A I537 (the US AT&T model specifically) in another thread (you can find it yourself) and it works fine so far in my testing.
So this means - TADA!!! - that we can now play around with our AT&T GS4A's at will without messing up the stock ROM which we can't even replace at this point.

br0adband said:
Well here's the good news:
Hashcode just posted Safestrap for the GS4A I537 (the US AT&T model specifically) in another thread (you can find it yourself) and it works fine so far in my testing.
So this means - TADA!!! - that we can now play around with our AT&T GS4A's at will without messing up the stock ROM which we can't even replace at this point.
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No ROMs for i537 still correct? Sorry I'm at work and struggling to keep up with SafeStrap news today.
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yankeesfan714 said:
No ROMs for i537 still correct? Sorry I'm at work and struggling to keep up with SafeStrap news today.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I537
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Specific for the I537, there are two current ones:
[AOSP][Port]★I9295★ Official 4.2.2 - S4 Google Edition - Feel the Experience of Nexus
which is the one I'm using at this very moment, just got it installed in slot 1 using Safestrap, and I also flashed the kernel modules that Hashcode packaged and are required to get the Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, etc working - the camera does NOT work on that ROM as of yet, it's a very common problem with custom ROMs and different devices, especially a port like that one, so work is in progress to fix it. As long as you can totally absolutely live without any camera usage at all, everything else seems to be working just fine but realize I just installed it and I'm testing features right now even as I'm finishing this post.
The other ROM available is the CM10.2 Android 4.3 build located here:
[ROM][Unofficial/Experimental][Android 4.3] CyanogenMod 10.2 for SGS4A (int'l)
Now, I've tried to install that one several times since last night but it fails on the build check. I've modified the build.prop file to match what the I537 is and should be detected as but I've had zero success so far. I'm not the best ROM "modder" out there so perhaps someone else with more skill and experience could modify that ROM so it will install on the I537 and we can see how Android 4.3 works on it - I'm fine with some of the hardware potentially not functioning as long as it allows for installing it and firing it up.
So far, so good. The AOSP ROM is working without issues that I've noted. Just ran Antutu 4.0.1 for the hell of it and got 22188 - now again, I just finished installing that ROM, it's been rebooted maybe 3 times in the past 30 minutes, and of course we all know ROMs take time to "settle" on a device so I expect that score may go up a bit after a few days of using this ROM. Yes I miss the camera but I can deal with it presently, and I can always reboot into the stock ROM anytime if absolutely necessary.
Just for the record, my "high score" with Antutu 4.0.1 with this GS4A was 25946 right after I bought it, which placed it above the HTC One by a small amount. That put a big smile on my face, but I've yet to achieve that score again.
This thing is a win-win now...
<oh geez, this is post number 420 for me...>
EDIT: Update - Bluetooth is working fine for me with the AOSP ROM as well, just paired up with my Jawbone JAMBOX in a few seconds, seemed to connect much faster than the stock ROM, actually, and it sounds better as odd as that might sound. Perhaps some improvements in the Bluetooth stack, I have no idea, or I might just be hearing things.

[Q] 64 Bit Tab S

The question: Which is the best option (conjecture):
a) CM11 on a Tab S SM-T800 (Exynos 5420)
b) Touchwiz on a Tab S (Exynos 7 Octa 64bit) -unreleased
c) Touchwiz on a Tab S (Exynos 5433 32-bit locked) -unreleased
Links:
[REDACTED] - I can't give you links since I've not enough posts yet.. google "Tab S 5433" and you'll find some links to the new stuff I'm talking about, news broke around Oct 2.
details:
Since I live in Seoul, I'll be able to pick up one of these new bad boys if/when it's released. However, that would mean returning the T800 I've just ordered as soon as it arrives; I only bought it because of Suzook, Nvertigo67, and Baracudda77777's efforts to port over CM11, but I'm guessing the re-released Tab S won't be compatible with their Rom.
The articles seem to suggest that the re-release tablet will have the 5433 (now renamed the Exynos 7 Octa) but it's possible that it will be 'locked' into 32 bit mode.. not really sure if that means forever or until they update touchwiz to Android 5.0.
Just don't want any lag.. what would you do?

Manningham said:
The question: Which is the best option (conjecture):
a) CM11 on a Tab S SM-T800 (Exynos 5420)
b) Touchwiz on a Tab S (Exynos 7 Octa 64bit)
c) Touchwiz on a Tab S (Exynos 5433 32-bit locked)
Links:
[REDACTED] - I can't give you links since I've not enough posts yet.. google "Tab S 5433" and you'll find some links to the new stuff I'm talking about, news broke around Oct 2.
details:
Since I live in Seoul, I'll be able to pick up one of these new bad boys if/when it's released. However, that would mean returning the T800 I've just ordered as soon as it arrives; I only bought it because of Suzook, Nvertigo67, and Baracudda77777's efforts to port over CM11, but I'm guessing the re-released Tab S won't be compatible with their Rom.
The articles seem to suggest that the re-release tablet will have the 5433 (now renamed the Exynos 7 Octa) but it's possible that it will be 'locked' into 32 bit mode.. not really sure if that means forever or until they update touchwiz to Android 5.0.
Just don't want any lag.. what would you do?
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I personally would just stick with the T800, like you mentioned they are making great headway on the CM11 rom. How much performance difference(if any) would there be between the two?

EliteNeet said:
I personally would just stick with the T800, like you mentioned they are making great headway on the CM11 rom. How much performance difference(if any) would there be between the two?
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Not sure if it would make a difference at all so I put the question out there. Perhaps future proofing to some extent?
The new chip is touted to be ~50% faster (and easier on the battery) but if CM11 runs perfectly smooth on a T800 already then I guess I don't see much pointed in going faster than perfectly fast

Well I read about it only being released in korea/parts of asia. Not sure yet on when it will be in the u.s. Doesnt matter really since its just changing chipsets for better improvement of performance. But nothing was mentioned about battery life. The tab s i have now has great battery life since im rooted and debloat some apps. And I dont really need a faster tablet since this is just fine for me. So battery could possibly be an issue in the new tab s is what im asking.

DUHAsianSKILLZ said:
Well I read about it only being released in korea/parts of asia. Not sure yet on when it will be in the u.s. Doesnt matter really since its just changing chipsets for better improvement of performance. But nothing was mentioned about battery life. The tab s i have now has great battery life since im rooted and debloat some apps. And I dont really need a faster tablet since this is just fine for me. So battery could possibly be an issue in the new tab s is what im asking.
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I live in Korea Well the articles I read said that the chip was supposed to be even nicer to the battery.. I'll believe when I see though

Manningham said:
I live in Korea Well the articles I read said that the chip was supposed to be even nicer to the battery.. I'll believe when I see though
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The problem with the lag in current models is touchwiz thats causing it. Until you change launchers, theres no lag. Unless you wont care of haveing root a couple weeks of whe the new tab s comes out go for it. Just make sure you check if the battery lasts as long asadvertised. There have been reports of bad batteries in some tab s models right now. I wonder if there will be much development for the new tab s.

DUHAsianSKILLZ said:
The problem with the lag in current models is touchwiz thats causing it. Until you change launchers, theres no lag. Unless you wont care of haveing root a couple weeks of whe the new tab s comes out go for it. Just make sure you check if the battery lasts as long asadvertised. There have been reports of bad batteries in some tab s models right now. I wonder if there will be much development for the new tab s.
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Yeah I'm wondering if there will be much development too.. maybe just stick with the T800

I am sad.

This place is dead. Generic S6 forum is not much better. We have root, but nobody is doing anything with it.

Yeah.. it's seriously making me think of switching devices. I'm used to many custom roms, unlocked bootloaders, xposed, etc.. and this isn't cutting it for me. Sure, great device but.. I'm just not feeling it.

What is it you are wanting? We have cleanrom and a few other debated options and an available framework to let you customize the crazy outta your touchwiz. As far as AOSP or CM, give it time. It's a new device, a lot of hands are on it and after some time, more options will be available. When I bought my G2 on release day, it was a month before root and another before good rom options showed up and even longer before stable rom options we're brought to the table.
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I don't understand why people buy a phone like this an expect a ton of development on it. Everyone knows AT&T locks bootloaders so there will be no AOSP ROMS for this device, especially with it packing an exynos processor. The root exploit has been patched in 5.1.1 so don't expect root unless you plan on tripping KNOX or never upgrading again. People really need to do research before they go out and buy a phone. If you need that much development, buy a nexus.
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¿Will-it-Blend? said:
I don't understand why people buy a phone like this an expect a ton of development on it. Everyone knows AT&T locks bootloaders so there will be no AOSP ROMS for this device, especially with it packing an exynos processor. The root exploit has been patched in 5.1.1 so don't expect root unless you plan on tripping KNOX or never upgrading again. People really need to do research before they go out and buy a phone. If you need that much development, buy a nexus.
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Exactly. I knew this going into getting another ATT phone (Active). It was either getting a phone I knew would work out of the box or getting a toaster oven with an 810 SOC. HTC and LG both failed this year IMHO and OPO2 will also be throttling back the 810 2.1 SOC. I wanted the active because of the bigger battery, but if those wanted ROMs on a S6 they should have just bought an international model outright.

I bought this phone expecting no development. The fact there's even root and roms for it is more than enough for me.
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ripper4209 said:
I bought this phone expecting no development. The fact there's even root and roms for it is more than enough for me.
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I went from a Nexus 5 (chronic flasher) to a no root Note 4 (now obviously s6) and I discovered that not having root or a million roms to flash caused almost zero issues. Having root and debloated roms on the s6 makes me completely happy. I just flashed XtraStoLite and it's awesome, even more customization and you choose only Samsung apps you want.

I haven't even rooted yet. Works fine for me. First phone I didn't root right away.
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LudoGris said:
I haven't even rooted yet. Works fine for me. First phone I didn't root right away.
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Yeah, the issues that made me feel like I absolutely had to root in the S4, S5, N4 are pretty much non issues with the S6 so I'm happy not rooting.

Yamahar6riding said:
What is it you are wanting? We have cleanrom and a few other debated options and an available framework to let you customize the crazy outta your touchwiz. As far as AOSP or CM, give it time. It's a new device, a lot of hands are on it and after some time, more options will be available. When I bought my G2 on release day, it was a month before root and another before good rom options showed up and even longer before stable rom options we're brought to the table.
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What is the available framework you speak off

JHarley17 said:
What is the available framework you speak off
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Probably the built in themer.
For everyone: when you buy a phone with a locked bootloader, you buy a phone that will have very limited development support (if a hack is found all the better, but don't count on one being found, they ain't easy to find). If you buy a Lamborghini are you going to complain you can't put the turbo you saw on your friends Mazda on it?
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JHarley17 said:
What is the available framework you speak off
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/att-galaxy-s6/general/xtrestolite-rom-att-s6-t3140354 its a universal rom and it's pretty awesome.

JHarley17 said:
What is the available framework you speak off
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Alliance Framework and soon 3minit. You just need to flash a deodex ROM and to top it off, we are now seeing that you can flash roms from the international thread. I will attempt this myself 4th of July weekend and post videos on my channel if successful.

Honestly I think it's quickly getting to the point where rooting will be an afterthought. I rooted my S6 Edge and flashed back to stock within a week.

Yamahar6riding said:
Alliance Framework and soon 3minit. You just need to flash a deodex ROM and to top it off, we are now seeing that you can flash roms from the international thread. I will attempt this myself 4th of July weekend and post videos on my channel if successful.
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It's not hard, most are just an Aroma installer. I'm running one and it works great. The only weird thing was the Aroma installer screen flashes while you're selecting options you want to add/remove. I have an ATT S6 as well.

Clienterror said:
It's not hard, most are just an Aroma installer. I'm running one and it works great. The only weird thing was the Aroma installer screen flashes while you're selecting options you want to add/remove. I have an ATT S6 as well.
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So I can Flash the deodexed ROM linked earlier with Flashfire then add the alliance framework with flashfire too? Still Kinda new to this(Had the s4 rooted and never flashed anything till after getting the s5 which was rooted with a custom ROM) and it seems like its a different method every phone. Im trying to read up on the different threads but dont have much time usually. Need to take a day and figure it out. Thanks for the help.

I'm not asking for cm or aosp (neither appeal to me), and neither do i want some shoddy kludged together community rom.
What I'd like is to see something like Xposed,,which works without issue on a completely stock+root install.
I've been doing this since the G1 days, and i just dont have the time or patience for it anymore. I have a hobby that to me, is far more satisfying and fun than jacking around with phones.
All i really want is to remove the volume warning and the redundant wifi notification.

raduque said:
I'm not asking for cm or aosp (neither appeal to me), and neither do i want some shoddy kludged together community rom.
What I'd like is to see something like Xposed,,which works without issue on a completely stock+root install.
I've been doing this since the G1 days, and i just dont have the time or patience for it anymore. I have a hobby that to me, is far more satisfying and fun than jacking around with phones.
All i really want is to remove the volume warning and the redundant wifi notification.
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Xposed is in alpha or pre alpha for TW devices. So it is in the works, just a ton of bugs and the install is pretty in depth at the moment.

Don't know about the volume warning, but the WiFi notification is easy if rooted. Get the CSC editor and search for WiFi. Blank this value and reboot.
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I have up on roms (TW or AOSP/CM) based a long time ago due to glitches and bugs. The last thing I ever did with root was adaway but now many all developers and websites are getting content past adaway and ABP, so no point there even.
I had a problem with my Tab S not taking the lollipop update after rooting then un-rooting which kind of soured me it in general. I got it flashed back to stock at bestbuy and updated, but settings menu still shows status as Custom even though download mode shows Knox 0x0

[News] Android 7.0

So android 7.0 has just been released today for Nexus devices (Nexus 6,player,etc) and quite frankly I'm really hyped for it to get released on Samsung phones ( in a year or two xD) or made by a custom rom... So what do you think about it? Leave your opinion here also if there's a rom in the making to android n(for note 4 ofc... 910f/c/ etc..) post its link here. Thank you!

I don't really see features I'm dying to get, but it's always nice to have the latest OS. I wonder if there's any chance that Samsung will release an official (OTA) update for phones as old as the Note 4 and Note Edge. They probably have very little incentive to do it.

oren_b said:
I don't really see features I'm dying to get, but it's always nice to have the latest OS. I wonder if there's any chance that Samsung will release an official (OTA) update for phones as old as the Note 4 and Note Edge. They probably have very little incentive to do it.
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I think note 4 has no chance to get android 7 officially
The only hope is custom roms
But devs of cm are busy whit cm 13 and eteam is busy whit dn7 so unfortunately nobody is working on android 7

[email protected] said:
I think note 4 has no chance to get android 7 officially
The only hope is custom roms
But devs of cm are busy whit cm 13 and eteam is busy whit dn7 so unfortunately nobody is working on android 7
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I know that on xda everyone is always keen to get the latest and greatest, but we all should calm down a bit. 7 is out since a few hour. Some Nexii haven't received the OTA yet and source isn't out. CM already said they'd merge N as soon as sources are made public. I wouldn't get my hopes up though. Naturally Samsung plus AOSP is a bit difficult. I'm sure we'll need to give it some weeks time (considering most of the kernel and drivers of M can be used).
I've no doubt some dev will get us the new shiny thing. :good:
Ans nope, i'm 99% sure sammy won't update to official N. I think the N5 can be happy if they get it... Wait and see i guess

Yes, Android 7 finally looks like something WORTH upgrading to for ANYONE.
looking forward to the upcoming roms...

Samsung said, I will look for source, that they will try to update Note7 to Nougat in 2-3 months, so we cam assume that Note4 is dead in the water.
LE: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...o-Android-7.0-Nougat-in-2-to-3-months_id84094

[email protected] said:
I think note 4 has no chance to get android 7 officially
The only hope is custom roms
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No hope for me then. I need Knox, so custom roms (and rooting in general) are not an option.

It will be hard to root the n7 haha ?

I hate you Samsung for flooding new devices and yet very slow or no support for a new firmware for old devices.

I do not hope, or think that we will find anything really useful or revolutionary in it. As it never happened, at least not for me. I bought my Note4 with KitKat, rooted it immediately, and flashed an X-Note 4.4.4 and some other custom ROM´s on it. After Lollipop was released, i tried LL stock, and LL based custom ROM´s, i experienced shorter SOT, and almost that´s it. Advantages? Not really. I went back to 4.4.4, X-Note. It was a year ago or so. Two weeks ago something happened with my Note4, i had to reinstall it, so i thought i´ll give 6.0.1 a try. I´m using stock MM for two weeks now, "desperately" trying to find a reason to keep it, but... I like the off screen memo, although i don´t think i´ll use it too much, but the SOT is shorter again as it was with 4.4.4, and battery life proved to be more important than bling bling. So i´m pretty sure i´ll go back to my good old X-Note KitKat again. The MM´s infamous permission management system is bull****, (i couldn´t play Angry Birds 2, because i didn´t give the game a permission to check my photo albums????), so after trying all the available "post-KitKat" systems, i´m really skeptical about the android 7.

oren_b said:
No hope for me then. I need Knox, so custom roms (and rooting in general) are not an option.
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Why do you need knox?

UnNaMeD__ said:
Why do you need knox?
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For work email and calendar. To be able to access my company's exchange server I need to provide them with insane permissions over my phone, the price of BYOD. When I do it within the Knox environment they are contained to it and cannot access or impact the rest of my phone. Worse case is that they delete the Knox container if they are trigger happy (most likely they're not, but I'm glad Knox allows me to not take this chance).

oren_b said:
For work email and calendar. To be able to access my company's exchange server I need to provide them with insane permissions over my phone, the price of BYOD. When I do it within the Knox environment they are contained to it and cannot access or impact the rest of my phone. Worse case is that they delete the Knox container if they are trigger happy (most likely they're not, but I'm glad Knox allows me to not take this chance).
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And here I though knox is pretty useless and should be treated as bloatware lol.

UnNaMeD__ said:
And here I though knox is pretty useless and should be treated as bloatware lol.
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It's not useless actually.

UnNaMeD__ said:
And here I though knox is pretty useless and should be treated as bloatware lol.
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Its similar to what BlackBerry has on BB10 devices. If you were connected to a "BES server" all the enterprise items are contained in their own "side" of the phone with a password. If you lose your phone and it doesn't have any form of security password, someone could access your personal info, but not the company's. From there work items are separated and then the company can blow away that "work" side if you leave.. Taking their info away from you securely from you and leaving your personal info alone. Works fantastic in a BYOD environment, but most of us here on XDA will never use KNOX

N910F Snapdragon Android 7 Nougat ROMs: status and plans

Guys,
i've been checking XDA every several days to see if there will be any information regarding Android 7 ROMs for N910F, but there seems to be an absolute silence.
Is there anyone from the development teams that could give an update on the subject, should we expect any roms this month, for example? i'm surprised by this silence, because Galaxy Tab S, for example, already has 7.0 rom for weeks:
[ROM][7.0] Android 7 - Nougat [T700/T705/T800/T805]
There have been a lot of complaints regarding battery life on MM, so maybe android 7 will be the next great thing in Note 4 Roms?
thanks!!

You could always pick up the great guides on here, buy a book or two, and start a 7.0N thread including a ROM
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Tweetytek said:
You could always pick up the great guides on here, buy a book or two, and start a 7.0N thread including a ROM!
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what an unhelpful and useless reply, really!
of course, probably you grow the cow first if you want to have some milk, or maybe build an airplane first if you need to fly to a different city. if you find it reasonable, good for you!
however this does not give any information regading upcoming Android 7 roms for N910F, or why they are not showing up (are there any issues, etc).

lisbon2004 said:
Guys,
i've been checking XDA every several days to see if there will be any information regarding Android 7 ROMs for N910F, but there seems to be an absolute silence.
Is there anyone from the development teams that could give an update on the subject, should we expect any roms this month, for example? i'm surprised by this silence, because Galaxy Tab S, for example, already has 7.0 rom for weeks:
[ROM][7.0] Android 7 - Nougat [T700/T705/T800/T805]
There have been a lot of complaints regarding battery life on MM, so maybe android 7 will be the next great thing in Note 4 Roms?
thanks!!
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It says that the Android 7 Nougat ROM for the Galaxy Tab S has no telephony at present! Not a good start for a mobile phone ... however "smart" it may be!!
I suspect that is the main problem!

robmeik said:
It says that the Android 7 Nougat ROM for the Galaxy Tab S has no telephony at present! Not a good start for a mobile phone ... however "smart" it may be!!
I suspect that is the main problem!
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it's very difficult to say. Tab S is a tablet, with slow CPU, but with amazing screen and excellent thinness/weight.
Android 6 rom actually made this tablet usable again, a perfect thing for web browsing.
many users (like me) are fine to use it just for wi-fi with Android 7 ROM.
I don't think there will be any problem with Android 7 on Note 4 Snapdragon, but it's amazing that nobody comments on this, and does not give any plans. I'm sure there will be many users willing to jump from 4.4.4 to 7.0...

lisbon2004 said:
it's very difficult to say. Tab S is a tablet, with slow CPU, but with amazing screen and excellent thinness/weight.
Android 6 rom actually made this tablet usable again, a perfect thing for web browsing.
many users (like me) are fine to use it just for wi-fi with Android 7 ROM.
I don't think there will be any problem with Android 7 on Note 4 Snapdragon, but it's amazing that nobody comments on this, and does not give any plans. I'm sure there will be many users willing to jump from 4.4.4 to 7.0...
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Yes I have the Note 4 (SM-N910F) and the Tab S (SM-T805) and have Lollipop on both. I am sure that as the Android 7 (Nougat) ROM gets rolled out to phones as opposed to tablets there will be some Nougat ROMs appearing for our Note 4. The person who cooked the Nougat ROM for the Tab S obviously had difficulties getting the telephony to work He says:
"Issues
Graphical glitches on rotation and screen off
RIL, meaning no telephony support so far"
- that is probably why that ROM hasn't been developed further for phones!

lisbon2004 said:
it's very difficult to say. Tab S is a tablet, with slow CPU, but with amazing screen and excellent thinness/weight.
Android 6 rom actually made this tablet usable again, a perfect thing for web browsing.
many users (like me) are fine to use it just for wi-fi with Android 7 ROM.
I don't think there will be any problem with Android 7 on Note 4 Snapdragon, but it's amazing that nobody comments on this, and does not give any plans. I'm sure there will be many users willing to jump from 4.4.4 to 7.0...
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The tab s has almost the same procrssor as the note 4 exynos. However yes it isnt a processor which is good for an flagship tablet but Samsung does that with all tablets, the New Tab S2 2016 edition also only has a SD652 processor, which also cant be clasified as high end..

Ok, seems like finally there's progress:
Android 7 for T-mobile Note 4

Let's hope the recall of note 7 will give us a nougat official samsung rom!

Braxos said:
Let's hope the recall of note 7 will give us a nougat official samsung rom!
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I logged in just to share that thought too! Since the Note 7 is dead now, I think the Note 4 has to get Nougat along with the Note 5 fingers crossed :fingers-crossed:

paddymcg1 said:
I logged in just to share that thought too! Since the Note 7 is dead now, I think the Note 4 has to get Nougat along with the Note 5 fingers crossed :fingers-crossed:
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I hope too. But let's don't get overwhelmed by the hope.
From business perspective it's pointless to invest in old device support in this situation. They've lost billions on Note7. Upgrading Note4 to Nougat means more spending and give users reasons to stay longer on old devices, while they want you to buy a new one quicker to cover their expenses.
Upgrading Note4 would be a very noble move from Samsung, but as their previous behavior shows, noble moves are not in their habits.

negazets said:
I hope too. But let's don't get overwhelmed by the hope.
From business perspective it's pointless to invest in old device support in this situation. They've lost billions on Note7.
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well, if you ignore customers and their loyalty, then it'd be pointless to invest in old device support.
if you value your customers, then it is not pointless.
because happy customers help you sell your products; unhappy customers do the opposite.
at the end of the day, there's nothing really that would prevent a healthy Android 7 ROM to be made for the Note 7.
Samsung has already made a lot of people angry by removing features like Flat screen, the removable battery, ir blaster, etc. If the battery were removable in Note 7, very possibly the recall and the media disaster wouldn't even have happened.
Let's see if they will lean, and will become customer-focused again.

lisbon2004 said:
well, if you ignore customers and their loyalty, then it'd be pointless to invest in old device support.
if you value your customers, then it is not pointless.
because happy customers help you sell your products; unhappy customers do the opposite.
at the end of the day, there's nothing really that would prevent a healthy Android 7 ROM to be made for the Note 7.
Samsung has already made a lot of people angry by removing features like Flat screen, the removable battery, ir blaster, etc. If the battery were removable in Note 7, very possibly the recall and the media disaster wouldn't even have happened.
Let's see if they will lean, and will become customer-focused again.
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I'm not trying to argue, but lots of people, who buy top devices (whatever that means), usually don't care and even don't know what version of OS they have. I'm not trying to say they are stupid or something, they just don't care or the OS version is not their priority.
Plus lots of old device owners are not direct Samsung customers, that's what this business success is about: if customer wants to be on the edge, (s)he should buy new. I don't know if there's a research about how many - 2-3 y.o. flagships have 2nd+ owners, but the refurbished phone market is quite big. So, part of not so must-do investment like upgrading old phones is not only going to nowhere for the phone makers, but also creates undesired competition for their new products on some markets (e.g. like in my country where operators' offers phone+contract aren't so "sweet" like in countries with bigger number of potential customers and people would think twice if they need to upgrade with brand-new or lightly used). Note4 users are just a thin slice.
And you can't blame Samsung for not taking care about old device owners - they released 6.0.1 update for N910F not so long ago, they run "buy-back" program in lots of places. But, you know, there should be something to get you interested in buying new phone.
OK, seems like we're going off topic here
I did get the same thought about my Note4 and Nougat as soon as I heard about termination of Note7, but... I'm skeptic here. It's hard time for Samsung to invest in something with doubtful possibility to return and make their new products less valuable comparing to old ones.

I've no idea what you all are thinking, but 1. There sure as Hell won't be an official Sammy Update to 7.0. Never ever.
2. 7.0 Custom roms are far away. Since no Samsung phone is on an official stable build (afaik) there's no base yet. So the only Option is AOSP. In my experience even the 6.0 Roms aren't stable enough for a daily driver. Since a Nougat port needs some base, normally the 6.0 Rom would be used as a base. It gets a bit technical from here on, but tldr is, it's not as easy as downloading the source, copying some folders around and bang, rom...
3. As a (un)written rule, you never ask for eta's. Ever. It's no problem if you ask if there is anything out there, but as you figured already out, there's not. So asking like a child on christmas day when it's going to be there, especially that close to release of the source, is considered rude.
jm2c

domsch1988 said:
3. As a (un)written rule, you never ask for eta's. Ever. It's no problem if you ask if there is anything out there, but as you figured already out, there's not. So asking like a child on christmas day when it's going to be there, especially that close to release of the source, is considered rude.
jm2c
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your comment regarding the lack of the first official base gives some understanding regarding 7.0 status, thanks for that!
As for the last one, p.3, asking "when" and "how is it going" could be considered rude only by really childish and immature persons.
There are a lot of people here on XDA that flash roms in their spare time too (like people that develop them), and not everyone has too much of it. we would like to have at least some basic understanding about 7.0 progress, to plan migration to the new rom (which requires dedicating several consecutive days for roms flashing, data migration, and testing). Asking when, is about planning.

"I'm not trying to argue, but lots of people, who buy top devices (whatever that means), usually don't care and even don't know what version of OS they have.".
According to my experience, this is true. No one here should think that they use their phones the way we do, here on XDA. 8 out of 10 users just update their devices, because they see the OTA notification appearing, but don´t even care about the differences between the old OS and the new one. If you ask them, what is KitKat and Lollipop, or root, most likely they won´t know the answers. As long as Facebook, WhatsApp, Viber, whatever works, everything´s fine. The only difference they do care about, is battery ilfe. By the way, battery life... I´m an android user since Gingerbread. I had several devices, before i bought the Note 1, and since then I´m using only Note phones, I had the Note 2, Note 3, and now for a long time, Note 4. I never ever understood why some people are so keen on having the newest OS, because according to my experience, the newest is rarely the better... I liked KitKat, especially the X-Note custom ROM´s. Lollipop was on the market for long time, i had to reflash my phone, so i thought i give it a try. After a few weeks of being on Lollipop, i ran back to KitKat, my good old X-Note. Lollipop was a huge stepback in battery life, and i haven´t experienced any really noticable advantages. About a month ago i deciced to upgrade my KitKat to Marshmallow, just out of curiousity. A huge disappointment, again. Battery life is also worse, the overhyped permission management system is a joke, and apart from the off-screen memo i haven´t found anything useful in MM. So, as before, i went back to my good old KK, i enjoy the stability, the extreme long battery life, and, honestly, i don´t even wait to Nougat.

tompika72 said:
"I'm not trying to argue, but lots of people, who buy top devices (whatever that means), usually don't care and even don't know what version of OS they have.".
According to my experience, this is true... (shortened).
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It goes even further than not careing. My own girlfriend HATES OS Updates. i told her, that for her Mate 7 there's a new Android Version out. She refuses to update because every update on every device ever (not only android, windows too) meant major hassle for her. She uses the phone as is and everything that changes anything is evil. Don't try to argue with security or such. She is just feared, that her phone won't work the same anymore. And seeing how much i flash my phone to "get it working" i can't blame her
Battery life is a topic i'm struggeling with. My inner nerd wants to get the maximum runtime out of that thing. But recently, with Doze introduced, i have some major Notification Problems. Allo doesn't notify at all or 2 days later. Whatsapp randomly delays Notifications by hours... Maybe the ever itching battery saving thing has gone to far. I mean, on a typical workday i leave at 6am and come home at 5pm with 75% Battery left. I just stopped caring. The Note 4 makes it through a day on every OS for me. And a second one if i have too. :good:

Seems like no news at all regarding 7.0 ROMs...

an absolute silence...

Several devs making AOSP/CM Roms have stated in their threads, that it's in the works. Only now some devices running stock'ish roms are getting Android 7 (OPO..) We are rocking an oldish phone with a processor/chipset that no official Android 7 phone has. Samsung has no official 7 rom either. So it's just a lot of work to get something useable.
I'm sure our devs have something bootable. But getting from there to something usable/daily driver ready is a long and bumpy road. Give them some time. We'll get it sooner or later. For sure.