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I'm starting to feel ripped off with how long these upgrades take. I mean when you have phones manufactures posting profits in the millions and billions, yet they wont hire the manpower to get these updates out, it gets old. I have an evo3d, and feel like we should have ICS already. I know when I had a palm pre, at launch, the armchair programmers did more for that phone for free, then palms paid programmers ever did. Thats what I dont understand, if these rom guys can do so much in a couple hours after work, then why can't these paid 8 hour sh%theads get the job done in a reasonable amount of time. Just like my acer 100 tab, when you buy it they say january have ICS, after you've bought it, now its april maybe. Ridiculous. Just venting I suppose, although I feel its a justified vent.
I'm not sure why they don't update things faster either. I guess it's just that a new version of android would confuse the majority of users. idk
Why would android OEMs want to upgrade their old devices? They get their money from selling more phones, if your g1 was officially kicking ICS, why would you want to upgrade? It's sales strategy. If you want updates, go to pretty much any other OS.
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Why would android OEMs want to upgrade their old devices? They get their money from selling more phones, if your g1 was officially kicking ICS, why would you want to upgrade? It's sales strategy.
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This is partly true, this rest is garbage.
Another thing is, people who want upgraded OSs are in the minority. So it just doesn't make since to put resources into stuff people don't care about.
A lot of my friends are still on IOS4.
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Are there any programs that will only work on ICS that you absolutely must have?
There's none in my case.
My phone works great, so why do I need the OS updated to the latest?
xaccers said:
Are there any programs that will only work on ICS that you absolutely must have?
There's none in my case.
My phone works great, so why do I need the OS updated to the latest?
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99% of the time I'd agree with that, but I'm fastidious when it comes to having organised bookmarks. I use Chrome at home and at work and have bookmark syncing enabled. I've used ChromeMarks to access my Chrome bookmarks on my phone, but I've always wanted it to be part of the browser.
Enter, Google Chrome for Android. It does the bookmark syncing.
I literally have ICS on my S2 for that 1 reason. Even with a few bugs and lags every now and then (it's still beta, after all).
I find the people not wanting updates comment as b.s. As for them not wanting to update to sell new phones, I agree with that, but as a consumer it gets tiring having every penny milked from you in one way or another. I buy a new phone outright every year, I have an evo3d, so comparing its update to something like a g1 is ridiculous at best.
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^ as stated you're the minority. The majority don't buy phones for updates. Hell most don't know what OS their phone has.
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if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.
bacnat86 said:
if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.
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Correcto, thats why carriers love Android so much.
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sleekgreek said:
I'm starting to feel ripped off with how long these upgrades take. I mean when you have phones manufactures posting profits in the millions and billions, yet they wont hire the manpower to get these updates out, it gets old. I have an evo3d, and feel like we should have ICS already. I know when I had a palm pre, at launch, the armchair programmers did more for that phone for free, then palms paid programmers ever did. Thats what I dont understand, if these rom guys can do so much in a couple hours after work, then why can't these paid 8 hour sh%theads get the job done in a reasonable amount of time. Just like my acer 100 tab, when you buy it they say january have ICS, after you've bought it, now its april maybe. Ridiculous. Just venting I suppose, although I feel its a justified vent.
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because the programmers get paid for it so they have no hurry. the dev community wants to use it so they put alot of hours and concentration into and get it out. I feel your pain man
This.
bacnat86 said:
if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.
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This is the most common candidate for being the main reason. Why make people content with the last Big Thing when you can instead beef up and get them hyped for the next Big Thing?
But then why schedule the Ice Cream upgrade for the SGII just before the SGIII comes out? Beats me. Maybe companies are just schizophrenic. Maybe it's a genius plan to make people fume into wanting the SGIII (people tend not to to change their minds once they've made it up) while ensuring the people who can't afford it still remain happy after six months. Maybe it's just a publicity issue (Samsung needs the positive publicity of coming out with ICS, so they'll eventually need to follow through, but not until the very last moment). Any explanation seems likely to me at this point.
This is why it's generally best to buy a future-proof phone. With the Nexus, for example, you'll be able to get indefinite upgrades from google (even if you have to go through a few hoops). The easier something is to unlock (and I suppose: the more popular it is so that more devs are working on it), the more likely you'll be able to keep your phone upgraded yourself, even if you'll have to go through a few hoops to do so. You can't rely on your manufacturer*, and you definitely can't rely on your carrier to have your best upgrade interests in mind.
Of course, if you get a new phone every year (or even every two years), this isn't so much of an issue for you. Most people probably do this (indeed, the very system encourages them to do this), and so there's little incentive to actually change the system.
*This is supposedly where Apple excels, but at what cost..
I can answer that....
You see, all the armchair programmers have a disclaimer that says "We are not responsible if we break your phone..It may, or may not work as expected and if it blows up your phone it's not our fault"
A huge corporation like Motorola/HTC/Samsung/LG/Nokia/etc have millions of users worldwide with a large set of carriers that all want to tweak the user experience to what that particular carrier wants to standardize on. The phone manufacturer may build what they think is a perfectly reasonable piece of software (ALL software has bugs by the way) only to have it kicked back by the internal quality assurance team because it fails a particular test case. And when you have several dozen/hundred developers working on software it's a coordinated effort to meet internal timelines and goals. And if it passes the internal testing it has to be tested by the carriers who can reject the software build due to bugs/user experience/last minute enhancements which triggers the whole cycle all over again.
Smaller development teams where it's a few people working on code do not have as much overhead and probably don't have as much internal testing processes for all possible corner cases as a huge company does so they can coordinate and release a build much quicker.
sleekgreek said:
I'm starting to feel ripped off with how long these upgrades take. I mean when you have phones manufactures posting profits in the millions and billions, yet they wont hire the manpower to get these updates out, it gets old. I have an evo3d, and feel like we should have ICS already. I know when I had a palm pre, at launch, the armchair programmers did more for that phone for free, then palms paid programmers ever did. Thats what I dont understand, if these rom guys can do so much in a couple hours after work, then why can't these paid 8 hour sh%theads get the job done in a reasonable amount of time. Just like my acer 100 tab, when you buy it they say january have ICS, after you've bought it, now its april maybe. Ridiculous. Just venting I suppose, although I feel its a justified vent.
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As said above, the biggest issues are that Devs here and elsewhere have no responsibilities if the upgrades fail, and secondly, there are a ridiculous number of devices being released. There are about 100 android devices available as current phones, and I don't know how many total. Rather difficult to keep so many up to date. It would be nice if they would scale back how many products are out at once, but manufacturers don't seem to get that yet.
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I can answer that....
You see, all the armchair programmers have a disclaimer that says "We are not responsible if we break your phone..It may, or may not work as expected and if it blows up your phone it's not our fault"
A huge corporation like Motorola/HTC/Samsung/LG/Nokia/etc have millions of users worldwide with a large set of carriers that all want to tweak the user experience to what that particular carrier wants to standardize on. The phone manufacturer may build what they think is a perfectly reasonable piece of software (ALL software has bugs by the way) only to have it kicked back by the internal quality assurance team because it fails a particular test case. And when you have several dozen/hundred developers working on software it's a coordinated effort to meet internal timelines and goals. And if it passes the internal testing it has to be tested by the carriers who can reject the software build due to bugs/user experience/last minute enhancements which triggers the whole cycle all over again.
Smaller development teams where it's a few people working on code do not have as much overhead and probably don't have as much internal testing processes for all possible corner cases as a huge company does so they can coordinate and release a build much quicker.
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I just dont agree with that, after being with the palm pre from its launch, through all the manual hacks we had to implement before preware, then finally recieving an update months later that couldn't compete with the unofficial code from the guys over at precentral. There is a problem there. I understand there is alot of red tape involved with official releases, but even given that, the time frames are still ridiculous to the point that there is nothing reasonable about it. As awesome as the pre was it was missing basic functions, functions that were there in the code, perhaps they wanted to follow apples model of screwing the customer into the next model, idk. The fact of the matter is, there is no reason why htc or acer or samsung, despite touchwiz and sense and cant push out a nice update in a timely manner, none.
bacnat86 said:
if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.
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In the UK where contracts (compared with what I've seen in other countries) are actually pretty good value, you get a new phone for free or not very much every time you renew your contract.
After even a year, there are much better phones out there, the phone you have may be a bit scuffed around the corners, battery will be down on capacity.
So most people upgrade when they get a new contract anyway.
It kills me when i read about the supposedly new "jelly bean" that's supposed to be coming out within the year. Seriously? get ICS out on more phones before you even THINK about releasing another update. Who knows the actual reason behind the delays for these updates but someone needs to get on it. When some of the newest phones out right now still don't have ICS or won't for awhile, there's something wrong.
The obvious plan is to push people to buy the newer quad core phones, more contracts, more money, not to mention if there's a premium because they're "quad core" just like then 4G first came out.
the majority of people buy what their salesman makes look good. some chick at the t-mobile store i was in bought some old phone cuz it was a few bucks cheaper than a new phone, which is like twice as fast and will have support at least 6 months longer than the other..
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the majority of people buy what their salesman makes look good. some chick at the t-mobile store i was in bought some old phone cuz it was a few bucks cheaper than a new phone, which is like twice as fast and will have support at least 6 months longer than the other..
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This is true. A while back when I was trying to buy my first smartphone I ended up buying an original Droid just because of the salesman telling me about buy one get one offer, after reading about them, I had found out that this phone was so outdated, luckily I had found out before my 30 days.
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I am getting so frustrated with technology that is sold more or less as beta devices. Often the hardware is up to par, but the software leaves much to wish for.
I have been through Nokia, Ericsson, Panasonic, HTC, LG, iPhone, Sony to name some. And it is all the same. For each device there are 1-3 big updates that actually makes the device better (hopefully). So at the EOL (end of life) the device now works as I as a customer expected it to do in the beginning. But at that time I (and probably most people) are fed up with it and have been looking for something better for maybe a year, as I change when the contract is up.
Let me paint you a picture: Who would be pleased with their new Audi or (insert manufacturer) if the AC worked with half speed? Who would like to only use 2, 4 and sixt gear for the first year or so? Who would enjoy random restarts on Autobahn or any other highway? You get the picture...
Now, would you as the buyer of this expensive car REALLY be satisfied with it being at its peak a couple of months before you drive it to the scrapyard? Rust, dents, scratches but driving as never before... Would that stop you from looking at that new Audi?
I am tired to pay premium money for a half ass device! And what about the smaller updates? Take a look here:
"LG is committed to bringing its customers the utmost in device security. Toward that goal, we are now starting to roll out updates for in-market LG devices potentially vulnerable to Stagefright. As an additional step, LG will be providing security updates on a monthly basis which carriers will then be able to make available to customers immediately. We believe these important steps will demonstrate to LG customers that security is our highest priority."
Yep, they say monthly. MONTHLY! http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/07/lg-stagefright-monthly-security-updates/
Why LG, Sony and others? Why are you treating your paying customers like this? Don´t you think we deserve better, don´t you think we want better, don´t you think we can handle better!?
As for me I will buy the new crap anyway. I like the newest. I like to be in the front of technology. But I hate how cheated you make me feel each time I come home with a new device and only hours after the first start I think: Meh...
So... If I read the outcome (or rather the lack of outcome) of this thread right, you are all happy with how our manufacturers deliver the software and updates to the same?
Then why are the 90% of all threads focus on rooting, next Android version and so on...
Please enlighten me, argue, discuss or for the love of god agree with me that it is too poor as it is.
Here is my formal petition for carriers and manufacturers to unlock the bootloaders of handsets they are not providing updates.
1. Updates are not being provided for in timely manner
2. Capable devices are not being updated and consumers are left at risk or forced to pay for on open source OS.
3. Consumers are not gaining full control of devices that no longer property of carriers and manufacturers.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//p...aders-handsets-they-no-longer-plan-supporting
Petitions are great and all, though I doubt a very tiny majority of their customers are going to create any waves. Very very few have any idea about bootloaders and all the stuff we do on xda.
So, my suggestion for people like us, is to not buy devices that are locked down in the first place. A little research before purchasing is all it takes. That is your only safe way to know you will be able to lean on developers after end of life. Manufacturers want you to buy a new device, so they certainly aren't going to do anything that may help you avoid buying new.
A tiny, tiny fraction. Among smarpthone owners, a fraction own Androids (split mostly with iPhones and marginal numbers of those others). A very small fraction of those have even heard of "root", and a smaller fraction even have the basic concept of what that means. Smaller still are those that have actually rooted a device. Then we're finally getting in to unlocked bootladers and custom ROMs, kernels, Xposed, and that kind of stuff. A tiny, tiny fraction. I don't disagree with you. But expecting anything to be done about it is a pipe dream.
These days we have to be lucky to even get a circular battery, what happened to the industry?
Warranty getting voided.
Better built OEM roms
Companies being more restrictive about open bootloaders
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Warranty getting voided.
Better built OEM roms
Companies being more restrictive about open bootloaders
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Neither of these are changed since then, OEM ROM are limited in 2019 still.
If android grows boring for the average user it can end up pretty badly for the OEMs so maybe they will stop the warranty voiding if (eventually) rooting dies and everyone stops buying them.
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Neither of these are changed since then, OEM ROM are limited in 2019 still.
If android grows boring for the average user it can end up pretty badly for the OEMs so maybe they will stop the warranty voiding if (eventually) rooting dies and everyone stops buying them.
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Regarding your point about the "average user" of Android, the vast majority, probably 98 to 99% of users of Android phones have never heard of Android or know that it's on their phone. Again the vast majority will use only a small amount of available features.
Android enthusiasts on XDA for example are a completely insignificant percentage of customers.
In the extremely unlikely event that we all stopped buying them, the manufacturer wouldn't notice the tiny reduction in sales, without considering what "we" who stopped buying Android phones would buy instead, Apple ?
Locked bootloaders.
Locked bootloaders is the primary reason for the lack of custom ROM's for the U.S. variants. Everyone knows this.
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Regarding your point about the "average user" of Android, the vast majority, probably 98 to 99% of users of Android phones have never heard of Android or know that it's on their phone. Again the vast majority will use only a small amount of available features.
Android enthusiasts on XDA for example are a completely insignificant percentage of customers.
In the extremely unlikely event that we all stopped buying them, the manufacturer wouldn't notice the tiny reduction in sales, without considering what "we" who stopped buying Android phones would buy instead, Apple ?
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This right here!!!
This is exactly why I get irritated at the kind of complaints that occur on xda. It just seems like a lot of folks think that the small amount of folks in this community can control what companies do. You put it beautifully, we are such a small scratch on their bottom line that it's not even funny.
You often see folks come here and complain about bootloaders and such being locked without thinking of the reasons why securities such as these are developed. For whatever reason, folks think it is just to stop rooting. Software engineering goes a lot deeper than simply rooting a device and getting super user access. Even that alone should be scary enough for people not to want to root their phones but what do we know. Apps sneaking through in the play store haven't been stealing personal information and such on NON ROOTED phones for the past 5 years or nothing.???
Imagine what they can do on a rooted one with Google Pay or Samsung Pay if it were possible to enable. The lawsuits a lone would bankrupt a company, which is why I'm one of the few people I know of that do like the fact that once the device is rooted, those feature such as Google Pay and Samsung Pay can no longer be used. Unless it's a Pixel device, then you can just flash back to stock.??
Hi , I was wondering why you choose to keep your bootloaders locked . It really seems like LG doesn't really care about its mobile line . Asus recently sent bootloader unlock and kernel source to developers at XDAdevelopers.com because they know phones that can be rooted and use custom software have HUGE cult followings. And LG ??? You just dont care ? The v350ULM was a great phone . Probably the most underrated device in modern history because you give absolutely no support to developers. At XDAdevelopers that device didnt even have a forum because there was so little support . Now jerryrigeverything on youtube who was breaking down one of your devices finds permanent adhesive under the battery ? Whys that ? So when the battery dies you're forced to buy a new phone ? .
i MEAN HONESTLY YOUR DEVICES ARE SO UNDERRATED . They with proper development have the potential to rival samsung or any other . But it seems like you just dont care about your mobile line . I right now want to buy the v350ULM but why ? I hear it has pretty abysmal battery life . which is probably just a stock app but since this device cant be rooted no one really has the interest in finding out because stock apps cant be removed without root level permission . You want to run the industry ? Why not doing something NO COMPANY IS DOING in2019 and advocate for your customers.
Dream phone . USER REPLACEABLE BATTERY ( most of us are not scuba divers and phones lasted pretty long before sealed ip68 phones. I had my galaxy note 4 since 2012 and just broke it when i dropped it and the screen cracked ) 3.5mm headphone jack ( which you are on top of your audio game ill give you that , which is primarily why I want an LG device.) 5000mAh battery MicroSD support And most important MAKE THE BOOTLOADER UNLOCKABLE AND DISTRIBUTE THE KERNEL SOURCE Make that phone and youd run the industry . Serious . not saying give up the rest of your line . But , youd have a phone with everything everyone wants and no one else is making . You'd have a cult following the likes of the rocky horror picture show in the 80s . I just dont get it . Manufactures seem to in 2019 give the finger to their customers and pretty much say " YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH , YOULL BUY WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE YOU AND YOULL PAY 1000.00 USD FOR IT !!! " Id pay a grand happily for a device I could replace the parts that degrade rapidly . like the battery .. But if not , if you really dont care about us your customers. , why not atleast allow the bootloader to be unlocked and distribute the kernel source ?
The v35 could have been a very cool device . All LG mobile devices could have been so epic . But theyre just ok because of the lack of development support and practical longevity support . Im never going to use a phone as a professional photography device on the surface of earth nor underwater . Most people would agree. How bout making the device practical for everyday life , user improvement via development and not build in 2-3 year obsolescence. I have a junk iphone 6 , I want a new phone really bad . But cant justify patronizing companies that openly subjugate me by built in obsolescence . WE WANT TO BUY YOUR PRODUCTS , help me help you .
I wonder if there will be any response . I wonder if there is what it will be . I wonder why most modern phone manufacturers shun customer feedback and replace device requests with gimmic crap like making a claw with your hand in front of the device and rotating in an awkward manner to adjust the volume .
Thats gimmick CRAP
user replaceable battery and bootloader unlock and kernel source with what you already present and youll have a customer loyalty base the likes of which hasnt been seen since 2012.
Some_dude36 said:
Hi , I was wondering why you choose to keep your bootloaders locked . It really seems like LG doesn't really care about its mobile line . Asus recently sent bootloader unlock and kernel source to developers at XDAdevelopers.com because they know phones that can be rooted and use custom software have HUGE cult followings. And LG ??? You just dont care ? The v350ULM was a great phone . Probably the most underrated device in modern history because you give absolutely no support to developers. At XDAdevelopers that device didnt even have a forum because there was so little support . Now jerryrigeverything on youtube who was breaking down one of your devices finds permanent adhesive under the battery ? Whys that ? So when the battery dies you're forced to buy a new phone ? .
i MEAN HONESTLY YOUR DEVICES ARE SO UNDERRATED . They with proper development have the potential to rival samsung or any other . But it seems like you just dont care about your mobile line . I right now want to buy the v350ULM but why ? I hear it has pretty abysmal battery life . which is probably just a stock app but since this device cant be rooted no one really has the interest in finding out because stock apps cant be removed without root level permission . You want to run the industry ? Why not doing something NO COMPANY IS DOING in2019 and advocate for your customers.
Dream phone . USER REPLACEABLE BATTERY ( most of us are not scuba divers and phones lasted pretty long before sealed ip68 phones. I had my galaxy note 4 since 2012 and just broke it when i dropped it and the screen cracked ) 3.5mm headphone jack ( which you are on top of your audio game ill give you that , which is primarily why I want an LG device.) 5000mAh battery MicroSD support And most important MAKE THE BOOTLOADER UNLOCKABLE AND DISTRIBUTE THE KERNEL SOURCE Make that phone and youd run the industry . Serious . not saying give up the rest of your line . But , youd have a phone with everything everyone wants and no one else is making . You'd have a cult following the likes of the rocky horror picture show in the 80s . I just dont get it . Manufactures seem to in 2019 give the finger to their customers and pretty much say " YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH , YOULL BUY WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE YOU AND YOULL PAY 1000.00 USD FOR IT !!! " Id pay a grand happily for a device I could replace the parts that degrade rapidly . like the battery .. But if not , if you really dont care about us your customers. , why not atleast allow the bootloader to be unlocked and distribute the kernel source ?
The v35 could have been a very cool device . All LG mobile devices could have been so epic . But theyre just ok because of the lack of development support and practical longevity support . Im never going to use a phone as a professional photography device on the surface of earth nor underwater . Most people would agree. How bout making the device practical for everyday life , user improvement via development and not build in 2-3 year obsolescence. I have a junk iphone 6 , I want a new phone really bad . But cant justify patronizing companies that openly subjugate me by built in obsolescence . WE WANT TO BUY YOUR PRODUCTS , help me help you .
I wonder if there will be any response . I wonder if there is what it will be . I wonder why most modern phone manufacturers shun customer feedback and replace device requests with gimmic crap like making a claw with your hand in front of the device and rotating in an awkward manner to adjust the volume .
Thats gimmick CRAP
user replaceable battery and bootloader unlock and kernel source with what you already present and youll have a customer loyalty base the likes of which hasnt been seen since 2012.
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Isn't it the carriers that request this? Also they gave up the user replaceable battery for water resistance. The G8 has a feature to reduce charge current to make the battery last longer to try to help with lifespan. They aren't shunning you they stuck with the user-replaceable battery longer than most manufacturers.
Oh, I so, so wish we lived in the world imagined in this letter...
Unlocked bootloaders and shared kernel, yes please! No, it won't revolutionize the industry, but you're absolutely right that the underdogs need to feed the community. It's not Apple money, but it's reliable.
Apple and Samsung rule because their gear doesn't encourage complex thought. It's a tool for ppl who don't want to use it any more than needed. When it comes to computing, we're geeks, nerds, engineers, mechanics, coders, philosophers. Most ppl are not, and will pay big companies to remain so. They're not dumber, they're just focusing on other things. Not everybody needs to rebuild their own tools, or have the time to learn.
Waterproofing and good power management that extends battery life are much more important to me than replaceable battery, and most non-techy ppl would agree. It's a daily tool, it shouldn't die when you drop it in a puddle. I hike a lot and record a lot of wilderness, waterproof cases ruin sensor quality. I'd rather pay pros every 3 years to replace to battery and promise waterproofing. Ideally, it would be a factory program.
Yes, permanent battery glue is wrong, a bad step. Money is killing irreplaceable resources, discouraging Right to Repair is irresponsible, and our descendants will condemn it. It's really sad on so many levels that this is still an issue.
The audio is amazing, the screen is great, but the perceived quality and polish of the iPhone and S10 is cleaner on the showroom floor. It's not fair at all. My G8 is soooo much better on the inside, but most "WOW" consumers won't give it a second glance.
We're approaching the point where consumers will call BS on the 2 year replacement cycle. Manufacturers haven't really fixed screen burn in, and we all know the battery issue. Improving these problems is where LG can drastically change the market; In a couple years, when my friend is replacing their burned-in Samsung, and looks at my LG, if the LG still looks good, my friend will likely give LG a try. If my LG is just as bad, they're going to stick with what they know.
Also, yeah, LG just rolled the mobile division into its larger business, mostly to distract from how much money it lost recently. So, the accusation that LG doesn't care about phones looks to carry a lot of weight. Companies often leave a market at that point. This G8 could soon be a collectible. I hope they unlock the bootloader...
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Oh, I so, so wish we lived in the world imagined in this letter...
Unlocked bootloaders and shared kernel, yes please! No, it won't revolutionize the industry, but you're absolutely right that the underdogs need to feed the community. It's not Apple money, but it's reliable.
Apple and Samsung rule because their gear doesn't encourage complex thought. It's a tool for ppl who don't want to use it any more than needed. When it comes to computing, we're geeks, nerds, engineers, mechanics, coders, philosophers. Most ppl are not, and will pay big companies to remain so. They're not dumber, they're just focusing on other things. Not everybody needs to rebuild their own tools, or have the time to learn.
Waterproofing and good power management that extends battery life are much more important to me than replaceable battery, and most non-techy ppl would agree. It's a daily tool, it shouldn't die when you drop it in a puddle. I hike a lot and record a lot of wilderness, waterproof cases ruin sensor quality. I'd rather pay pros every 3 years to replace to battery and promise waterproofing. Ideally, it would be a factory program.
Yes, permanent battery glue is wrong, a bad step. Money is killing irreplaceable resources, discouraging Right to Repair is irresponsible, and our descendants will condemn it. It's really sad on so many levels that this is still an issue.
The audio is amazing, the screen is great, but the perceived quality and polish of the iPhone and S10 is cleaner on the showroom floor. It's not fair at all. My G8 is soooo much better on the inside, but most "WOW" consumers won't give it a second glance.
We're approaching the point where consumers will call BS on the 2 year replacement cycle. Manufacturers haven't really fixed screen burn in, and we all know the battery issue. Improving these problems is where LG can drastically change the market; In a couple years, when my friend is replacing their burned-in Samsung, and looks at my LG, if the LG still looks good, my friend will likely give LG a try. If my LG is just as bad, they're going to stick with what they know.
Also, yeah, LG just rolled the mobile division into its larger business, mostly to distract from how much money it lost recently. So, the accusation that LG doesn't care about phones looks to carry a lot of weight. Companies often leave a market at that point. This G8 could soon be a collectible. I hope they unlock the bootloader...
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I actually got a response and they wanted my permission and information to run it up the line . Hopefully they listen and use this info .
Yea , there are tweaks to increase batt life . But I like AOSP roms which are pretty much basic stock android running SUPER light . And as I said alot of people arent scuba divers . I had 3 note 4s , note 3 , note 2 . NEVER water damaged them . Most people that want an underwater shot are using a go pro .
Im not saying get rid of sealed phones . Just make a user replaceable battery phone to add to existing lineup .
AND FOR GODSAKE lg unlock the bootloaders and distribute kernel source. Ill buy a v35 thinq and pay a dev a grand just to build this rom and twrp for ME xD
I too is always hoping for LG to change the way they treat their users specially those who love's to tinker their phones.
If they really want to lock down the BL of the US Variants (carriers) they can but not the asian models. If Samsung can why LG can't do that? it's always a question to me why they are doing it. Me as an LG user I already accept the fact that they are slow/late when it comes to updates, but it's okay with me as along as the BL is inlockable. Damn LG.
cheeze.keyk said:
I too is always hoping for LG to change the way they treat their users specially those who love's to tinker their phones.
If they really want to lock down the BL of the US Variants (carriers) they can but not the asian models. If Samsung can why LG can't do that? it's always a question to me why they are doing it. Me as an LG user I already accept the fact that they are slow/late when it comes to updates, but it's okay with me as along as the BL is inlockable. Damn LG.
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This is all new built in obsolescence crap . They all used to unlock the BL , but then that and replaceable battery disappeared at virtually the same time. So when the phone gets old youre forced to buy a new one . Which as a tactic mystifies me because if you undid those 2 changes alone as I said youd have a cult following the likes of which havent been seen in modern times . That AND youd also be doing something no one else is doing . so what you lose in planned obsolescence update purchases youd probably double in brand loyalty and sheer sales volume .
I just dont get it . Most people arent scuba steve sticking their phone underwater to film a blue whale while kayaking . If youre that worried about water damage if you talk on your phone in the rain alot get insurance .
Ive water damaged one phone I can remember in my 42 years . a samsung t539 beat because I left it on my roof and it fell off in the road then it started raining and was raining went I went back and found it unrunover . So all this ip68 crap is just cover so we cant replace a failed battery in hopes we wont pay for a replacement battery but a new phone instead .
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This is all new built in obsolescence crap . They all used to unlock the BL , but then that and replaceable battery disappeared at virtually the same time. So when the phone gets old youre forced to buy a new one . Which as a tactic mystifies me because if you undid those 2 changes alone as I said youd have a cult following the likes of which havent been seen in modern times . That AND youd also be doing something no one else is doing . so what you lose in planned obsolescence update purchases youd probably double in brand loyalty and sheer sales volume .
I just dont get it . Most people arent scuba steve sticking their phone underwater to film a blue whale while kayaking . If youre that worried about water damage if you talk on your phone in the rain alot get insurance .
Ive water damaged one phone I can remember in my 42 years . a samsung t539 beat because I left it on my roof and it fell off in the road then it started raining and was raining went I went back and found it unrunover . So all this ip68 crap is just cover so we cant replace a failed battery in hopes we wont pay for a replacement battery but a new phone instead .
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How are you forced to buy a new one? I watched someone rip the G8 battery out on youtube and you can pay to get it professionally replaced. When I replaced the battery on my G6 it had a pull tab for the battery, but it still bent the battery to hell and it could have exploded in my face. I took it out of the house because I was worried it was unstable. I honestly think it has more to do with amateurs not knowing what they're doing taking the phone apart and then trying to make warranty claims or fears of a law suit from a battery exploding in someone's face. The bootloader is not LG's choice, with the G6 they purposely sold unlockable versions outside of the carrier contracts. You are taking it way too personally, they don't want the battery to move around after 2 years of a phone getting tossed around and they can't exactly screw it into the phone. With batteries getting better and LG's low current charge option there's a good chance this batter could last 3 years. With the higher capacity it won't need to be charged as often either.
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How are you forced to buy a new one? I watched someone rip the G8 battery out on youtube and you can pay to get it professionally replaced. When I replaced the battery on my G6 it had a pull tab for the battery, but it still bent the battery to hell and it could have exploded in my face. I took it out of the house because I was worried it was unstable. I honestly think it has more to do with amateurs not knowing what they're doing taking the phone apart and then trying to make warranty claims or fears of a law suit from a battery exploding in someone's face. The bootloader is not LG's choice, with the G6 they purposely sold unlockable versions outside of the carrier contracts. You are taking it way too personally, they don't want the battery to move around after 2 years of a phone getting tossed around and they can't exactly screw it into the phone. With batteries getting better and LG's low current charge option there's a good chance this batter could last 3 years. With the higher capacity it won't need to be charged as often either.
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I'm not forced I suppose . You are correct . I just pre ordered a Purism Librem 5 linux phone !! Woohooo Bye spy bricks without removable battery !! Ill miss android but i wont miss manufacturers not listening to their consumer base.
Hardware switches for microphone and camera . Modem only connects to the kernel to make calls , User replaceable battery , 3.5mm jack and best of all Native linux operating system by default.
So long android and manufacturers that dont listen to their customer base .
The fact that people are still mad at companies without researching and just... thinking beforehand puzzles me.
Y'all know what you're getting yourself into with buying phones from mainstream manufacturers. It's not news that batteries aren't replaceable, that some variants aren't unlockable, that they're simply trying to get the most profit out of their devices.
Go and buy from a niche-brand if you want everything you listed for a good price. Everyone always praises Oppo and Pocophone or whatever their names are, yet y'all still buy Samsung, Huawei, LG etc and then complain about the most obvious sh*t.
Nothing except for dropping sales will show LG that you're not happy with their business decisions. As if they'd care for a letter in their mailbox written in questionable English... lol
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The fact that people are still mad at companies without researching and just... thinking beforehand puzzles me.
Y'all know what you're getting yourself into with buying phones from mainstream manufacturers. It's not news that batteries aren't replaceable, that some variants aren't unlockable, that they're simply trying to get the most profit out of their devices.
Go and buy from a niche-brand if you want everything you listed for a good price. Everyone always praises Oppo and Pocophone or whatever their names are, yet y'all still buy Samsung, Huawei, LG etc and then complain about the most obvious sh*t.
Nothing except for dropping sales will show LG that you're not happy with their business decisions. As if they'd care for a letter in their mailbox written in questionable English... lol
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I agree wholly , if all a company cares about is profit and the serfs will chew up whatever they spit out at them without question than far be it from me to complain I guess. I sent the letter , hopefully someone who makes decisions reads it and has a change of heart . If not? No worries.
I from now on won't be subject to built in google spyware , I will type SU in a terminal for root level permissions , I will change my battery myself when the battery goes bad and I will enjoy the old friend that is linux. I did away with windows because of their hijinx in 2011 and never looked back and now Once again linux is that old rock that allows me to escape dwindling freedoms and longevity extension once again .
I was excited when I got my first android device . I thought it was the future due to the fact you didnt have to grovel to install TWRP and custom roms on most devices and it was a linux fork and it was open source but the device manufacturers and the built in spying have just left a bad taste in my mouth . So be it .
Im now awaiting a device with 3 hardware switches
1 for cellular baseband
1 for wifi and blutooth
and
1 for camera and microphone.
And when you switch all 3 off at the same time ? It goes into lockdown mode and disables power to the remaining sensors on the phone .
I wont have the endless sea of apps anymore but honestly its going to be able to play quake II natively and I dont need my phone to be a seismometer .
There are cons to this decision as well but they are far outweighed by the pros .
So long !! Hope to see some dev support and a thriving community for this device when it drops as it is completely open hardware and can install any linux OS devs want to build for it . I'd be happy to be a monetary contributor to that end . Im sure others would be as well .
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I actually got a response and they wanted my permission and information to run it up the line . Hopefully they listen and use this info .
Yea , there are tweaks to increase batt life . But I like AOSP roms which are pretty much basic stock android running SUPER light . And as I said alot of people arent scuba divers . I had 3 note 4s , note 3 , note 2 . NEVER water damaged them . Most people that want an underwater shot are using a go pro .
Im not saying get rid of sealed phones . Just make a user replaceable battery phone to add to existing lineup .
AND FOR GODSAKE lg unlock the bootloaders and distribute kernel source. Ill buy a v35 thinq and pay a dev a grand just to build this rom and twrp for ME xD
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@Frau Son @somedude_36
Fun fact, I just learned why LG did this, the G8 has a lithium polymer batter that should never need to be replaced, by never i mean in the lifespan of the phone.
Frau Son said:
The fact that people are still mad at companies without researching and just... thinking beforehand puzzles me.
Y'all know what you're getting yourself into with buying phones from mainstream manufacturers. It's not news that batteries aren't replaceable, that some variants aren't unlockable, that they're simply trying to get the most profit out of their devices.
Go and buy from a niche-brand if you want everything you listed for a good price. Everyone always praises Oppo and Pocophone or whatever their names are, yet y'all still buy Samsung, Huawei, LG etc and then complain about the most obvious sh*t.
Nothing except for dropping sales will show LG that you're not happy with their business decisions. As if they'd care for a letter in their mailbox written in questionable English... lol
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Lg's phone sales are already abysmal. Which means, not even dropping sales over the years has taught them anything. It's a shame, I really liked LG at one point. I own an op6 and couldn't be happier. By far the best phone I've ever owned. I've had it just over a year and it works like new. I recommend the OP get this phone and be happy.
I really don't understand how the only companies in the us with a unlock phone and an unlock-able boot loader is one plus and motorola and google to be honest these phones aren't even that great but they give customers the ability to customize the phones and to add the functions they need. It is a shame carriers have taken over the smartphone world in the united states we haven't been able to get a right to repair bill thru congress with would at least give us the ability to unlock our bootloaders and repair damage at a cheaper rate put the lastest custom rom on our phone and use the full feature set of the software and hardware on the device we own. I never finance a device and am starting to feel like all these carriers and companies are taking advantage of us. What was the use of getting rid of the two year contract if we can't tinker with our device and customize it even if it means we loose our warranty.
Just to prove your point about customer loyalty...
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Hi , I was wondering why you choose to keep your bootloaders locked . It really seems like LG doesn't really care about its mobile line . Asus recently sent bootloader unlock and kernel source to developers at XDAdevelopers.com because they know phones that can be rooted and use custom software have HUGE cult followings...
...user replaceable battery and bootloader unlock and kernel source with what you already present and youll have a customer loyalty base the likes of which hasn't been seen since 2012.
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At the time of this posting, I can buy a used - excellent to very good condition - unlocked LG G8 (only a few months old!) for around $300 on ebay. MSRP is $850. SMH...
Mate you're completely bonkers, what you want from a phone is stuff that most people don't know or care about. Ask a random person on the street what they think of LG's bootloader unlock policy and they'll have no idea what you mean.
For the record, I am never buying a phone that isn't ip68 again since using waterproof samsungs for a couple years. This is MUCH more valuable than an easily removable battery, to me. So stop asking companies to take away waterproofing - most of them don't do it anyway.
Hey if you're in contact with them, let someone know this XDA lurker didn't get the amazing deal of $400 for the G8 on Amazon on black Friday because of no custom ROMs.