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Camera Photo Taking - Quality is bad

Hi fellows,
Anyone can elighten me here? when i use the camera and take a photo, when I go and view the photo, it is not the same quality I saw on the display, for some reason when the photo is saved, it is smudge, anyone encounter a similar situation? This happen more when photo is taken at night, it seems that the saving process damages the quality of the photo
Any feedback welcome
Thanks

First of all, appreciate that the size of the lens of the camera is so small, not so much light is going through it. So, especially at night, it will be hard to get nice pictures. This is not a camera with a phone, it is a phone with a camera!
Another issue is when you press the shutter release - squeezing your finger shakes the camera a bit, and this is something many camera users have to bear with. One idea is to use the timer for this instance, and place the Kaiser somewhere steady. Also, be aware that from the time you press the shutter release until it takes the picture does take longer than many dedicated cameras, so when you are doing your best to hold your camera still, be sure to do it long enough. I did that same error in the beginning, moving the camera even before it had taken the picture. Just keep it still for another second before you do anything else.

Poor Lighting
Overall I must say that I am very satisfied with the quality of the camera on my Tilt. However, this camera does seem to be more sensitive to poor lighting conditions than my 8125 was. This could either be caused by the absence of a flash or that the camera lens is 3MP instead of 1.3, and for that reason, picks up more flaws.
Any pictures I take outdoors with my Tilt turn out great. Actually the video recording is pretty damn good too. Indoors pictures tend to pickup a lot of "color noise" (Red, Green, Blue specs in the image) when taken.
I don't know which model phone you upgraded from, but another difference between the camera on the 8125 and the Tilt is that we now have an auto-focus lens, and that increases the time required to capture the image.
In the end, I am very satisfied with the camera on my Tilt, but as usual these comments based on my experiences only.

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Overall I must say that I am very satisfied with the quality of the camera on my Tilt. However, this camera does seem to be more sensitive to poor lighting conditions than my 8125 was. This could either be caused by the absence of a flash or that the camera lens is 3MP instead of 1.3, and for that reason, picks up more flaws.
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I've taken photos in bright sunlight outside and still gotten grainy/noisy photos, so I agree the camera is worse than the Hermes/8525 even w/o flash.
Richard

I think the camera is GREAT for a cell phone camera.
Here is a picture taken with my camera the other day. To me, it looks very good for what it is.
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grizzley said:
Here is a picture taken with my camera the other day. To me, it looks very good for what it is.
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See, that's what we're talking about - look at the sky?!?!?!?!? Yeah, cell phones are crappy cameras but WTF is that? Your subject shows it a little on things like the tree trunk, etc, but it's horrible artifacting
Richard

It's a cell phone... I was drinking.... It's only 3MP.
As far as I am concerned, it's a good camera. We are the newest owners of the latest technology that still needs to be fine tuned. How many other cell phones have 3MP cameras?

I think the camera is very good... MUCH better than many other phones I've seen......
Take a look at this samples with my kaiser..
http://personales.ya.com/aliste/kaiser/pruebas1.zip
Set the quality to finest, and be quiet when you take the photo..

so, I see that you like basic batteries, you have rusted keys, need more duct tape and like boring books. You can find a mate at match.com

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so, I see that you like basic batteries, you have rusted keys, need more duct tape and like boring books. You can find a mate at match.com
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that's not completely true... ;-)
I was simply trying macro capabilities
But take a look to this other samples (landscapes)... remember this is not a canon EOS, but it is a great camera for a mobile phone!
http://personales.ya.com/aliste/kaiser/pruebas2.zip

I think the tilt takes damn good pictures for a camera phone, but video recording is better on the 8525!

grizzley said:
I think the camera is GREAT for a cell phone camera.
Here is a picture taken with my camera the other day. To me, it looks very good for what it is.
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Although only 2MP, the Hermes has a better camera. Here's one sample:

Yea, I think you are correct... not too bad for 2MP!

I think the best setting for the camera to take good pictures is @ 1600X1200, with quality set to fine.
Here are some of my pics:

grizzley said:
Yea, I think you are correct... not too bad for 2MP!
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Yep, so coming from that to the Kaiser hurts. There's a lot more to a camera than Megapixels! Hopefully these Kaiser issues can be fixed either in firmware or with camera settings.... I just noticed the Adjustment page has Sharpness set at +3, I wonder if the minimum (+1) would provide better results?
Richard

Anyone who thinks the pictures taken by the 3.2MP camera on the Tytn II is even half decent has got rocks in there head. Take a look at some pictures taken with Sony Ericsons phones.
http://flickr.com/cameras/sonyericsson/
Nice landscape on a 3.2MP k800i
See what a good 2MP can do.(k750i/w800i)
I miss my k800i I lost that has now been replaced with a TytnII. The TytnII does a lot of great things the k800i did not but taken pictures is where the TytnII falls drastically short of the k800i and other SE phones.

The video is terrible. The 8525 camera was way better. When I try to record everything looks sluggish.

i can almost assure you guys that when coolcamera will support the kaiser we will see a big improvement.
were those 8525 pictures taken with coolcamera?
o and here's my sample pics on modaco:
http://www.modaco.com/content/Pocke...n/260817/Sample-Pics-of-the-ATT-Tilt-Kaiser-/

mikeeey said:
i can almost assure you guys that when coolcamera will support the kaiser we will see a big improvement.
were those 8525 pictures taken with coolcamera?
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Mine were not - I didn't see any reason to pay for another camera app on my Hermes.... if it really cleans up the Kaiser images, I could be convinced otherwise
Richard

rsolomon said:
I just noticed the Adjustment page has Sharpness set at +3, I wonder if the minimum (+1) would provide better results?
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This is the well-known adjustment on the Hermes camera that makes the difference between sh*tty and good photos. And in older Hermes ROMs, this setting is not saved so you have to adjust it everytime you start the camera. I use the lowest Sharpness setting also on my TyTN II but unfortunately it doesn't give the same improvement as on the Hermes, just a little better.

Crappy close up / zoomed i n camera quality?

So I love my nexus 6 and the quality of the camera taking normal distance shot is great but what not so great, at least for me, is the crappy quality of photos taken up close or zoomed in.
If I try to take a picture up close, it's blurry and doesn't focus. If I try to take a picture from a distance and try to zoom in to focus, it doesn't work either.
There are many circumstances that I need up close pictures taken such as when I use my fitnesspal app where I have to take shots of barcodes to add to my nutrition log. I also work In IT and use my phone to take pictures of the back of equipment in tight spaces such as the server room.
Does anyone else experience what I am experiencing with close up pictures not focusing?
Sent from my Nexus 6

Bump?
Sent from my Nexus 6

I wouldn't bump it if I were you. IMO, the people who own the device will most likely disagree with you to justify their purchase or haters will spread hate and will end up comparing it with other devices causing flame war.

first off, you have to stay back a few more inches on the nexus 6, about 7 inches or so. and dont zoom in, that automatically reduces the quality. you can crop it lateer, much better than zooming in. besides that, you have to touch to focus. tap where you would like the camera to focus, and thats where itll "focus"(quality will be better there)

I think the camera is pretty decent personally, it's not like the best on the market or anything. It surely is far from the worst though.

Yeah as mentioned, zoomed in pictures are always going to be crap. We don't have optical zoom, we have digital zoom. All digital zoom does is crop the image grabbed from the sensor in the middle and then blow it back up to the same size. You can reproduce this yourself in Microsoft Paint for example.
See below for example
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Open it in paint like this:
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Select a part of the picture in the middle...
Crop it...
Set the image size back to the original (or as close as you can get)...
Voila, poor quality image..

I'm a hobbyist photographer, have a degree in video production and work for a university doing this stuff. I will be honest that I have just gotten the Nexus 6 and haven't had a chance to really put the camera through its paces yet. But I can provide some general information that might help you understand what could be going on.
First of all, every lens has a minimum focusing distance. This is going to vary for each lens/camera. If the lens is closer to the object than this minimum focusing distance, then it can't find focus - the pieces of glass just don't have the room to move to the right place to focus. This is why people buy Macro lenses - they can focus a lot closer than other lenses. Now, I'm not saying buy a Macro lens. I'm just bringing that up for reference. There are Macro lenses you can buy for smartphones, but I never used any so I can't comment on what's good or if they're worth it. But this could help if it's that important to you. The only thing I will caution you with if you DO go for a macro lens is that these tend to provide a very shallow depth of field (blurry background/foreground is exaggerated). In a nutshell, this phone may not be able to focus on things very close.
With regards to zooming in - there's no real zoom on this camera or any released prior. Some new phones demonstrated at CES (or at least one) has a real zoom built in. What I mean is optical zoom. Optical zoom is the actual mechanical movement of the lens to zoom in on objects. So far, there has only been digital zoom. Digital zoom is no different than cropping. The problem with this is we have a fixed number of pixels for the image. When we crop or digitally zoom, we throw away a chunk of pixels on 3 or 4 of the sides we're zooming/cropping to and enlarging the remaining pixels. The more we zoom or crop, the lower the image quality becomes.
If you're scanning barcodes, I'd say perhaps you're doing it wrong. Most apps don't need to see this very close - it doesn't need to fill the entire screen. You can also indicate where to focus by tapping the screen what to focus on - this will help.

I've tried taking pictures close and from a distance with zoom. I just can't get it to focus quick enough to reaD barcodes.
Previous to my nexus 6 I was able to use my nexus 5 and iPhone 5s with ease. I literally would pull up the app, scan the barcode up close and it would read it instantly.
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I'm having the same issue. Even without digital zoom, any subject within about a foot and a half are fairly to completely blurry, getting worse the closer it gets. I understand lenses have limits with regard to focal distances, but as the phone attempts to focus, the subject becomes crystal clear once or twice before the autofocus settles on a blurry setting. So far I've tried clearing the cache and data and restoring the camera app to the factory settings. I've also tried a different camera app, but the same issue was still present.

dcsull said:
I'm having the same issue. Even without digital zoom, any subject within about a foot and a half are fairly to completely blurry, getting worse the closer it gets. I understand lenses have limits with regard to focal distances, but as the phone attempts to focus, the subject becomes crystal clear once or twice before the autofocus settles on a blurry setting. So far I've tried clearing the cache and data and restoring the camera app to the factory settings. I've also tried a different camera app, but the same issue was still present.
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why autofocus? itll focus on an average focus. if you want it focused right, then touch to focus.

Same problem happens with touch focus and average focus.

Any word on software updates to optimize/improve Camera?

I remember during the Idol 3 launch that there were issues initially (DTTW not working, snapchat bugs, etc) that were addressed in subsequent updates. These things were swept under the rug for reviewers but for people who actually owned the phone, they were able to benefit.
Currently my main concern is the camera and I was curious if anyone has heard any news on Alcatel working to try and improve the OIS or low-light capabilities via software (if that is even possible).

macallik said:
I remember during the Idol 3 launch that there were issues initially (DTTW not working, snapchat bugs, etc) that were addressed in subsequent updates. These things were swept under the rug for reviewers but for people who actually owned the phone, they were able to benefit.
Currently my main concern is the camera and I was curious if anyone has heard any news on Alcatel working to try and improve the OIS or low-light capabilities via software (if that is even possible).
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I don't have this exactly device, but I have the twin brother (Vodafone Smart Platinum 7) and I wrote to a Vodafone customer manager about this.
They told me they will talk with the people in the software department, and maybe in a future they can improve a little the software, but the lack of hardware can't be fixed with software.
My main complain was that the photos most of the time are blurry when trying to see the details, and that we have no stabilization for 60fps and 2K-4K.

Galaxo60 said:
I don't have this exactly device, but I have the twin brother (Vodafone Smart Platinum 7) and I wrote to a Vodafone customer manager about this.
They told me they will talk with the people in the software department, and maybe in a future they can improve a little the software, but the lack of hardware can't be fixed with software.
My main complain was that the photos most of the time are blurry when trying to see the details, and that we have no stabilization for 60fps and 2K-4K.
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Thanks. I've heard good things about the Vodafone version. I currently have the Idol 3, and coming from the Nexus 4 before that, it was a big improvement in terms of photo quality. I've been using my Idol 3 for photos a lot recently and although it is great for well-lit, non-moving objects, I have become more aware of the lower quality pics in low-light and blurry pics in general when there is slight movement. I think the Idol 4S is a step up in terms of quality but still leaves something to be desired overall.
Recently I ended up getting a reasonably-priced digital camera which takes great photos. It really illustrated how good a camera can be. I might just get the Idol 4S and carry my digital camera with me for special occasions.

Updated yesterday to version 010 02 with the august security patches with the Mobile Upgrade Q desktop programm. Camera seems better imo opinion (at least with sufficient light!) and overall performance seems faster and snappier then before. Caution: upgrading with Q will flash the whole rom and wipes the device!. Idol 4S 6070K Netherlands. Realy love the devices`s performance and especialy the great speakers

Saw a video review with a blind comparison to the S7 for photos/videos.
Lowlight is pretty meh and video bounces around a lot, but the well lit areas really give the S7 a run for it's money.
It sounds like the key to using the camera is A) Good lighting and B)Keep a steady hand

macallik said:
Saw a video review with a blind comparison to the S7 for photos/videos.
Lowlight is pretty meh and video bounces around a lot, but the well lit areas really give the S7 a run for it's money.
It sounds like the key to using the camera is A) Good lighting and B)Keep a steady hand
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Pretty much is about the steady hand, because with this you can make nice pictures.
I attach some pictures I made with the phone.
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This pic is stunning. Thanks for sharing

macallik said:
This pic is stunning. Thanks for sharing
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As long as you keep it steady, it indeed does a good job.
HRD is really nice for low lights situations, but again, you must be really steady when taking the pictures.
Regarding the manual mode, is also nice to play with it and you can get some nice results as well.

Manual mode is great for macro and long exposure shots. My friend who works for TCL told me an update to Android Nougat is already under development but no release date is known as of yet.

HughJanus said:
Manual mode is great for macro and long exposure shots. My friend who works for TCL told me an update to Android Nougat is already under development but no release date is known as of yet.
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TBH when my Idol 3 updated to MM, my cell reception went wonky so I am in no rush.

Low light

At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

I have 3 phones atm - Note 20 Ultra, P30 Pro (global), and Xiaomi Mi Note 9S w/GCAM. I never imagined the N20U would be able to match the camera quality of Mi Note 9S w/ GCAM, however after taking some daytime and also low light photography, N20U takes the best pics out of all three of my phones. Even night mode. However, I don't like the all white balance, and even though you can change that in Pro Mode, when you take pictures in Auto Mode, I hate the color that all Samsung phones give out, and prefer iPhones and Huawei phone color temperatures / hues. Also, there were certain scenarios (although not many), where the P30 Pro or the Note 9S w/GCAM took better pics, but that's expected. N20U took better pics than both of the other phones 75-90% of the time, even night time photography

it's all subjective. You like it 75-90% of the time. It doesn't mean 75-90% of everyone else will like it 75-90% of the time. With camera modules basically being made all by Sony or Samsung, they all look the same. besides, I haven't known anyone to print their pics. it's being compressed or filtered onto VSCO or IG anyway does it really matter? Just take your picture and be happy with it. Unless you have a 99 dollar tracphone, it's the same quality...and even if you do have that $99 tracphone, your grandma can't tell what phone it was taken on when you post it on fb.

skoobz said:
... With camera modules basically being made all by Sony or Samsung, they all look the same ... Unless you have a 99 dollar tracphone, it's the same quality.
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Software & image processing makes an immense difference - hence the constant desperation for broken GCam ports.
As a S20 Ultra owner - that phone has supposedly great hardware but has demonstrably awful image processing in a myriad of everyday situations (it's still way below par compared to its peers, after all the updates).
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On topic, the processing on the Note 20 Ultra is significantly better than my S20U in basically every scenario & camera mode I tried it in, including Low Light (my S20U's photos look like watercolor messes in comparison). The S20U only takes passable images with bright sunlight or sunlight-equivalent indoor lights. It fails miserably at processing images the dimmer the lighting gets, which I didn't find to be a problem on the S20U out-of-the-gate on Auto mode.
Can they bring the software updates to the S20U?

The Note 20 Ultra camera is identical to the S20 Ultra.
Low light on the S20 Ultra is better.
Clearly there needs to be an update for the Note 20 Ultra.
And like the S20 Ultra, it's impossible to take a picture of a document and have clear text across the frame.
Hopefully they go back to the drawing board for the S30 and choose a different sensor/lens combo.
The iPhone 12 camera is going to blow this one away as the 11 Pro is already better.

auto low light example that's lit by LEDs. Not bad.
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it's all subjective. You like it 75-90% of the time. It doesn't mean 75-90% of everyone else will like it 75-90% of the time. With camera modules basically being made all by Sony or Samsung, they all look the same. besides, I haven't known anyone to print their pics. it's being compressed or filtered onto VSCO or IG anyway does it really matter? Just take your picture and be happy with it. Unless you have a 99 dollar tracphone, it's the same quality...and even if you do have that $99 tracphone, your grandma can't tell what phone it was taken on when you post it on fb.
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Actually even with same cameras and sensors, you can have Vastly different output. Just look at Pixel phones, alot of other manufacturers use the same exact sensor however its the software engineering that makes pixel phones take great pics. You just sound like an argumentative person, I was just providing my personal experience, and never mentioned that other people's experience would be the same

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Actually even with same cameras and sensors, you can have Vastly different output. Just look at Pixel phones, alot of other manufacturers use the same exact sensor however its the software engineering that makes pixel phones take great pics. You just sound like an argumentative person, I was just providing my personal experience, and never mentioned that other people's experience would be the same
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cool story bro. fact remains, still looks the same when filters are applied and compressed when posted on social media.

Question Used the Vivo professionally:)

Out of curiosity, I compared my X90 Pro+ at an event to my Sony A9 (paid £2500) with a £1500 sony lens attached.
Used the Vivo 2x zoom, so not even the best lens on the camera. Indoors in a not particularly well lit room, with ceiling lights messing with skin tones.
While there are of course differences, I am amazed how well the Vivo holds up. The screen behind looks better on the Vivo thanks to the great hdr processing, and details are retained really well on the jacket.
This is not to say it can do what the £4000 Sony combo can, but proving the point that mobile photography has come a really long way and that the Vivo is a top pick - even if the Chinese are spying on you
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200% crop for pixel peepers:
I also took some snaps around my local area - this one was picked for some of our marketing collateral.
With the Sony, I would have to use a tripod to get the long exposure. Amazingly, this was done handheld leaning against a pillar
Night shot with the 2x lens (edit):
I had this phone for just a few days and yet to get around to all the features - once I master it 100% I'm sure it will be part of my work equipment.

Thanks a lot for sharing. It truly is amazing how far smartphone cameras have come. Vivo's work is very commendable. You also have a good choice in cameras. The alpha series of cameras are amazing for their versatility.
The Vivo X90 Pro+ does have a very reputable and somewhat even famous Sony sensor so it might be why it holds up so well. Especially with the post processing. If you hadn't labeled which device took which photo, I would have had a very hard time picking which was which.
I'll be taking mine to the jungles of Australia in about a month and I cannot wait to see what I can capture there.
Enjoy your phone.

The photos are great, but you had good subjects. Try the portrait in front of a complex background or on someone with long curly hair. Short hair cut and simple background are really easy for AI Blur.
Still even easy on the close up some mistakes are visible (e.g. the view through the left side of the glasses).
Also I think it's way more important for professional work to get reliable shots where you know how they will work out, and usability on the functions, Integration with external Equipment like microphone/flash and so on. All things not possible on a smartphone. Plus speed of changing modes (flip a wheel, hit the shutter button) and a lot more. It's not the quality of shots that turn out well that make a smartphone unusable (for video much more than photo), but the shots that do not turn out well.
With the smartphone and the AI and every firmware update changing how things work, they are simply not tools for professional photography, but can be an addition in some situations. So far they are far away from being a full replacement.

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The photos are great, but you had good subjects. Try the portrait in front of a complex background or on someone with long curly hair. Short hair cut and simple background are really easy for AI Blur.
Still even easy on the close up some mistakes are visible (e.g. the view through the left side of the glasses).
Also I think it's way more important for professional work to get reliable shots where you know how they will work out, and usability on the functions, Integration with external Equipment like microphone/flash and so on. All things not possible on a smartphone. Plus speed of changing modes (flip a wheel, hit the shutter button) and a lot more. It's not the quality of shots that turn out well that make a smartphone unusable (for video much more than photo), but the shots that do not turn out well.
With the smartphone and the AI and every firmware update changing how things work, they are simply not tools for professional photography, but can be an addition in some situations. So far they are far away from being a full replacement.
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I did not suggest the Vivo will be a replacement for my Sony equipment - I just did a casual test to check how they would stack up against each other in a typical work scenario. Yes, zooming in reveals the bokeh is not perfect as will be the case on any phone, and yes, adding microphone/flash is obviously not going to work.
I am well aware of the limitations of mobile photography. Point of this is just to show how the quality of images is getting closer - and that it is good enough to be an addition to the pro equipment. For instance, I have been using my p30 pro for wide angle snaps of venues where I photograph. The Vivo will do this too, only better.

Haskren said:
I did not suggest the Vivo will be a replacement for my Sony equipment
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To quite a few people they get this impression however on the various DSLR vs smartphone "tests".
E.g. for Video I would take an old Canon XL-H1 over any smartphone if I had to shoot a movie. Even though it only supports 1080i (not even 1080P).
I would argue that even the older SD resolution 3chip prosumer Video cameras are better able to tell a story vs a modern smartphone - because if you shoot a movie the auto white balance with the actor looking different in any scene and other problems will make it hard to grip your viewer. Then of course no - I would never use such old equipment anymore but picture quality is simply just one aspect.
If I shoot something and only later discover on my PC that the aperture or color balance is so off that I cannot fix it - it simply means I failed my job. There are situations where the smartphone can supplement or even replace professional equipment - it's well visible nowadays in press conferences how many people resort to smartphones - especially if it's only for press and not tv stations.
Usability and reliablility will never catch up - while pure picture quality may even overtake? Overtake is a bit hard because the manufacturers like Sony, Canon, Nikon, Red and others could always just build their products around a smartphone chip. I mean that's kinda how Red revolutionized the Film market.
They used camera chips, coupled them with immense cooling - and got a video camera that beats out film. But should sensors for smartphones ever surpass sensors for DSLR (unlikely as long as there is a potent market for DSLR) - DSLR could just go for smartphone sensors, snapdgragon processors - and build a hardware around it that has way better usability than a simple touchscreen.

100% crop of X90 Pro+ (90mm lens) vs. Sony a6400 (75mm lens + digital). Indoor shot at night.
A pro photographer will know which one is which, but I'm not sure which one is better
@Haskren Your photography skills are amazing!

Another snap tonight