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Hi guys..
I sad Google developed 2.2 to improve snapdragon cpu and becuase of that the benchmarks shows 3X faster cpu on nexus,
will work 2.2 on galaxy like nexus ? or not for SGS cpu!
at all what you think about power of CPU/GPU in SGS on 2.2 ?
Is nexus cpu better than galaxy on Android 2.2 ?
The Galaxy's CPU/GPU is the best on the market right now and with 2.2 it should fix a lot of software problems with the SGS.
Actually can't wait for 2.2, and it's released around about my birthday!
When is your birthday
22nd September mate. You can buy me a Galaxy S as a spare if you want
well I have to see it first.
Guess Samsung finds a way to **** up the phone again i'm sure of that.
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well I have to see it first.
Guess Samsung finds a way to **** up the phone again i'm sure of that.
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If it has rfs file format and TouchWiz, consider it ****ed up.
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If it has rfs file format and TouchWiz, consider it ****ed up.
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If froyo on the SGS sucks, then the chefs in here will cut it open and make it run properly and it won't matter what the FW was like when samsung sent it out. Also, TouchWiz is fine, even if it does have a dumb name.
I have been worried about this. The sgs line and droid line do not get over 15 in linpack with 2.2. I dont see the same increase in speed as I do with snapdragon based phones. I have read this is due to the snapdragon having 128 bit vs 64 bit something but cant find the forum post about this. The sgs line with 2.1 is still faster then a 2.2 snapdragon based phone but it must have the lag fix installed. Without the lag fix it is slower for sure. I will try to find the forum post about 128bit vs 64bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsAUR61ByM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji49qFNxC4c
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Originally Posted by Gimic26
Your question was answered already...it comes down to processor architecture. Qualcomm's Snapdragon platform and more specifically the Scorpion application processor, while being related to TI's Omap Arm series, has enhancements made by Qualcomm. The part of the cpu that handles the SIMD instructions has a wider pipeline, 128 bits vs 64 bits in TI's Omap. Scorpion also has a deeper pipeline to better handle all that data which I'd assume offsets some of the performance benefits a little bit.
As far as the difference between the two benchmarks, they are written to benchmark two different things. Linpack can run almost entirely within the SIMD/NEON portion of the cpu thereby showing off the enhancements made by Qualcomm. Quadrant stresses the entire core showing off total system performance showing that only in certain situations will Snapdragon outperform any other Arm based core.
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I have been worried about this. The sgs line and droid line do not get over 15 in linpack with 2.2. I dont see the same increase in speed as I do with snapdragon based phones. I have read this is due to the snapdragon having 128 bit vs 64 bit something but cant find the forum post about this. The sgs line with 2.1 is still faster then a 2.2 snapdragon based phone but it must have the lag fix installed. Without the lag fix it is slower for sure. I will try to find the forum post about 128bit vs 64bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsAUR61ByM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji49qFNxC4c
Edit: found the forum post
Originally Posted by Gimic26
Your question was answered already...it comes down to processor architecture. Qualcomm's Snapdragon platform and more specifically the Scorpion application processor, while being related to TI's Omap Arm series, has enhancements made by Qualcomm. The part of the cpu that handles the SIMD instructions has a wider pipeline, 128 bits vs 64 bits in TI's Omap. Scorpion also has a deeper pipeline to better handle all that data which I'd assume offsets some of the performance benefits a little bit.
As far as the difference between the two benchmarks, they are written to benchmark two different things. Linpack can run almost entirely within the SIMD/NEON portion of the cpu thereby showing off the enhancements made by Qualcomm. Quadrant stresses the entire core showing off total system performance showing that only in certain situations will Snapdragon outperform any other Arm based core.
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From what I've seen and read, the 2.2 builds for the Galaxy S do NOT have a JIT compiler enabled which explains the lower scores. The N1 got the huge CPU boost from having JIT enabled. That doesn't explain the Droid X's scores, but then again I haven't read enough about 2.2 running on the DX to see if it has JIT installed.
What're you think? I'll buy SGS 2.1 or wait for SGS 2.2 ?
It's very important to buy most powerfull phone.
I like Nexuse cus it's tested sucssasfuly in Android 2.2 and I'm gono love SGS if it will be better than nexus in 2.2.
Help me to choose better path )
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What're you think? I'll buy SGS 2.1 or wait for SGS 2.2 ?
It's very important to buy most powerfull phone.
I like Nexuse cus it's tested sucssasfuly in Android 2.2 and I'm gono love SGS if it will be better than nexus in 2.2.
Help me to choose better path )
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I would wait at this time before purchasing an SGS if that's your concern.
Out of the box, the current phone/software is laggy and disappointing. If you're willing to hack it with some of the various fixes found here (I prefer samset with mimocan kernel), then you won't be unhappy with the phone, but there's no guarantee that Samsung will get FroYo right, and that if they do get it wrong that the devs here will be able to bring you a hot, non-laggy, super FroYo ROM before there's better, or at least comparable hardware done right by the manufacturer available.
That's no reflection on the devs here at all, I'm just thinking that Samsung won't release the firmware until the end of September, the devs will need a couple of weeks to make magic at least, and so now we're well into October. By October, the SGS will be a six month old phone. Six months is a very long time in the Android hardware world, and we'll likely see a landslide of new phones with faster CPU, maybe even dual-cores in the fall for the holiday season. The only thing the SGS will have over other phones at that point is the Super AMOLED screen by Samsung, since they're holding it all to themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if Moto or HTC try to kang the iPhone display tech for newer models if they can't get Super AMOLED for themselves.
In the android world it is nearly impossible to but a device that won't be out of date within at most a year and sometimes within 6 months.
Having said that, I don't see anything that will topple the sgs quite that soon. Although there is talk of dual core snap dragons, there has been nothing announced yet, and indeed the two new Desire handsets are still on the same chip.
I wouldn't expect to see anything that will have more raw power than the sgs until at least mid 2011. If there was anything closer than that it'd already be getting hyped.
If you keep looking at what is just over the horizon then you won't end up ever getting one, because there always seems to be something new out in a few months time. The sgs isn't prefect, but it beats the hell it of most anything that you'll be able to buy this year.
My humble opinion of course, but I think that if you want top end hardware, the sgs will serve you very well.
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Based on your responses so far, I'd just get an iPhone 4 and be done with it.
There are a lot of people here and elsewhere who are perfectly happy with the device. I for one haven't installed the lag fix and I don't experience any lags, except for the situations below:
1. I'm trying to do something while there are several apps being installed/downloaded from the marketplace in the background. I think this will be resolved with the dualcore next gen CPU's.
2. Using LauncherPro, for all that is good and nice on this earth, I do not know why it took me 3 months before the option to change the shortcut on its drawer was shown to me. Imagine that, 3 months just to show the option to add a shortcut. Jeezus. I click on add shortcut and it took 3 months. Someone shoot me. I'm using ADW now and am very happy.
Out of sheer curiosity, why is it that you need "THE MOST POWERFUL PHONE"?
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As far as the difference between the two benchmarks, they are written to benchmark two different things. Linpack can run almost entirely within the SIMD/NEON portion of the cpu thereby showing off the enhancements made by Qualcomm. Quadrant stresses the entire core showing off total system performance showing that only in certain situations will Snapdragon outperform any other Arm based core.
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The hummingbird core is widely recognized to be faster than the snapdragon core. Benchmarks do not tell you everything. Reference:
You might think that the Hummingbird doesn’t stand a chance against Qualcomm’s custom-built monster, but Samsung isn’t prepared to throw in the towel. In response to Snapdragon, they hired Intrinsity, a semiconductor company specializing in tweaking processor logic design, to customize the Cortex-A8 in the Hummingbird to perform certain binary functions using significantly less instructions than normal. Samsung estimates that 20% of the Hummingbird’s functions are affected, and of those, on average 25-50% less instructions are needed to complete each task. Overall, the processor can perform tasks 5-10% more quickly while handling the same 2 instructions per clock cycle as an unmodified ARM Cortex-A8 processor, and Samsung states it outperforms all other processors on the market (a statement seemingly aimed at Qualcomm).
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Here is a GPU comparison for some of the leading smartphones:
Motorola Droid: TI OMAP3430 with PowerVR SGX530 = 7-14 million(?) triangles/sec
Nexus One: Qualcomm QSD8x50 with Adreno 200 = 22 million triangles/sec
iPhone 3G S: 600 MHz Cortex-A8 with PowerVR SGX535 = 28 7 million triangles/sec
Samsung Galaxy S: S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 = 90 million triangles/sec
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Wait for G2 as nexus one is old news and i think they are winding down production. Frankly i love my sgs. Get it now cos frankly froyo is way over hyped compared to what sgs can do now with a lagfix
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ickyboo said:
Wait for G2 as nexus one is old news and i think they are winding down production. Frankly i love my sgs. Get it now cos frankly froyo is way over hyped compared to what sgs can do now with a lagfix
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You can't really say froyo is over hyped, I mean its free, and beyond that its an incremental upgrade.
I don't see why anyone would be staying on eclair once official froyo drops, and you can't deny that it will bring a performance boost.
Now I doubt it will bring quite as much of a boost as it gave to the N1 until we get a few months of development to really get it running sweetly, but all the same its still not over hyped if I ask me.
With optimized ROMs and whatever fixes we need (cuz samsung WILL break something) I figure the sgs will shred the N1's new scores. I recon we'll see around 3k in quadrant.
Considering how far ahead of almost everything a lag fixed non-stock-rom sgs is now, we'll see something really special once froyo starts rocking our crotches.
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Based on your responses so far, I'd just get an iPhone 4 and be done with it.
There are a lot of people here and elsewhere who are perfectly happy with the device. I for one haven't installed the lag fix and I don't experience any lags, except for the situations below:
1. I'm trying to do something while there are several apps being installed/downloaded from the marketplace in the background. I think this will be resolved with the dualcore next gen CPU's.
2. Using LauncherPro, for all that is good and nice on this earth, I do not know why it took me 3 months before the option to change the shortcut on its drawer was shown to me. Imagine that, 3 months just to show the option to add a shortcut. Jeezus. I click on add shortcut and it took 3 months. Someone shoot me. I'm using ADW now and am very happy.
Out of sheer curiosity, why is it that you need "THE MOST POWERFUL PHONE"?
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Why powerfull phone? ok i'll tell u:
Because I don't like to buy an expensive phone (like SGS) that power is lesser than a chipper phone (like N1) !
Because I'd rather a phone without stalling (lagging) to play games and running big applications. I will very gray if i'll se lagging/stalling...
Because I need a phone with a good support (it's enough, don't need mazing support). a phone with a clear (alive or nice) Future
JIT for Hummingbird should be promising.
High Mem
anyone got any idea on the high mem issue?... when i was browsing the Gmarket.com, i realize 305 total available memory is not enough for me... and the web page just closed....
I guess this thread is inspired by the fact that, right after paying $650 to get an unlocked XT860 shipped to me from Canada, I started reading about the MyTouch 4G and some other models.
The MyTouch 4G, despite having the most effeminate and possibly even borderline creepy name I could ever dream up (they should have just called it the MyDelicateCaress 4G while they were at it), it seems to have a somewhat better screen (except in in full sunlight of course, and it's lower-res too), a slightly inferior keyboard, and a slightly worse worse battery life; none of these are a issues when you consider that the MyTouch 4G is only $350 or so, maybe even cheaper.
But enough about the MyFondle; That's not what this thread is meant to be about. Moreso than a debate between D3's and MT4G's, this is really meant to be a discussion detailing the stance of the D3 as far as where it stands in comparison to the other phones in its league (league referring to generation, physical size range, processor details, etc.), including the Galaxy S II, Epic 4G, etc., as well as comparing their various available current-gen processors and graphics chipsets in terms of power consumption, raw speed/benchmarks, and special attributes (meaning certain abilities/optmizations/extensions that allow for better handling/acceleration of specific things such as Flash, certain video formats, or 3D).
Like for instance, I notice that many phones in our native OMAP gaggle seem to be sporting the Cortex A9 4440 or 4460, or even the 4470; do you think our 4430 hinders us significantly?
And, like everyone, I've always wondered about the D3's graphics performance versus the sheer retard-strength of the iPhone.
I'm also wondering, in our pursuit of a physical keyboard, are we allowing Moto to bone us a little as far as making concessions on the specs of our phones in exchange? Do these minor concessions cause us to lag behind?
Very interesting post..... coming from a Droid Incredible, the speeds seems about the same. However, I will say this, Motorola UI slows down the phone a lot more as compared to other UI, such as Sense. The processor isn't the problem, it is the UI slowing it down. That is why the iPhone is so fast, it has a simple UI.
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Very interesting post..... coming from a Droid Incredible, the speeds seems about the same. However, I will say this, Motorola UI slows down the phone a lot more as compared to other UI, such as Sense. The processor isn't the problem, it is the UI slowing it down. That is why the iPhone is so fast, it has a simple UI.
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Hmmm... As a side-note I definitely plan to root my D3 and run that de-bloatware script I've been hearing about, but is there a good ROM, or maybe a rooted option to shut off Motoblur in order to speed up the performance?
I'm increasingly convinced I bought the best keyboard-equipped phone on the market (not that it's going to matter in a year or so when the 2.5GHz quad-core/128GB/Android 4.8 "BananaBread" DROID4 5G comes out, but it's still nice to bask in the glow of having top-of-the-line Android gear, even if it's short-lived).
Anyone else have any comparisons, technical or experience-based input?
A lot of people are very pleased with the few roms we have, MonsterRom and SteelDroid being our heavy hitters at the moment, but we also have darkdroid and narcotics just hitting the scene. I've been running monster for a while now, and the way I describe it, is wicked fast. Comes with the stock android launcher, though I use Launcher Pro, which itself is much faster than motoblur. Give some of the roms a try, see if you like them
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If it wasn't for the crappy bloated Motoblur interface and skinning, the Droid 3 would have been the best qwerty phone out today.
BTW, I used to own the T-Mobile G2 and it's keyboard is exactly what the MyTouch 4G is based on. The T-Mobile G2 has better click and response. The MyTouch 4G keys are indeed smaller than the G2 and definitely flatter. The only upgrade is the LED indicators for Shift and Fn.
The MyTouch 4G's keyboard is not slightly inferior. Rather, it is a huge disappointment.
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A lot of people are very pleased with the few roms we have, MonsterRom and SteelDroid being our heavy hitters at the moment, but we also have darkdroid and narcotics just hitting the scene. I've been running monster for a while now, and the way I describe it, is wicked fast. Comes with the stock android launcher, though I use Launcher Pro, which itself is much faster than motoblur. Give some of the roms a try, see if you like them
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I think this pretty much sums it up.
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Performance Anxiety
I had the verizon XV6700 with Windows 4.5 OS..or something. I spent a lot of money on that phone ... it was a painfully slow, quirky, dial-up speed browser. I used it for a month then gave up in anger/frustration and got an LG w/keyboard. I had to wait 2 years till the D1 came out, which did everything I expected from their advertised of the XV6700 to do and more. I bought the D3 a couple months ago. Did not activate, but waited for root. Rooted and debloated I ran a Quardrant score of 2411. Smartbench score of 3590. Thats 1037points below the Galaxy S2 1.5ghz. Thats also w/motoblur. Hopefully we'll be able to double the speeds like my OG D1 did from 550ghz to jdlfg 1266ghz (1100ghz daily driver). My i7 1.7ghz Alienware with ThrottleStop 3.0 OCs to about 3600ghz. I'm expecting the dual core phones to clock high w/minimum problems. I think I made the best choice, of course untill proven wrong. You may want to try V6 SuperCharger scripts from zeppelinrox. Follow instructions to the letter. It rocks!
...but don't forget, according to the OP, you have the XT860 (like me), not the D3. Very similar, but besides the root and recovery, there are no ROMs to speak of.
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The only phones that are currently out with the OMAP4 all have the 4430, exactly what we have. Clock for clock, the Exynos and OMAP4 outperform all the other chipsets, especially the Snapdragon, which uses two last gen Scorpion cores, instead of two Cortex A9 cores. When clocked at the same clock speed, the OMAP4 and Exynos perform almost identically, with the OMAP4 actually having a slight advantage.
And when you look at a phone like the Optimus 3D, with an 800x480 screen, the SGX 540 actually outperforms the Mali 400 in the GS2. Yes, the GS2 does better than us in GPU benchmarks, but you have to remember that the resolution is much lower-800x480 vs 960x540.
So don't sweat performance. You have what is arguably one of the best performing handsets at the moment, and if Moto ever unlocks the bootloader, custom kernels will really make it fly.
...And I don't suppose Moto would ever really be Motovated to unlocked the bootloader, would they? No gain in it for them I guess, huh? There's no way anyone can crack it due to the..? What? Firmware, encryption, whatever? Bummer.
But it's good to know we have awesome hardware at least. I didn't realize the OMAP platform had come so far since my original BlackJack II with its OMAP1 220MHz single-core procesor.
Well, as can be seen at the link below, our Droid3's outperform both the iPhone 4 and the HTC Thunderbolt when it comes to loading web pages, although the iPhone 4 scrolls smoother (probably due to its simplified, quicker UI). I don't know how it will stand up against the new dual-core iPhone 4S though... 0.o
DROID 3 vs HTC ThunderBolt vs Apple iPhone 4 web browsing comparison
The iphone 4s' dual core doesn't improve its performance very much at all, since none of the pther hardware changed.
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The only thing holding the D3 back imho is motorola and verizon(in my case) software.
Runs fast and smooth with steeldroid so far
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I keep hearing about Steel Droid; how difficult would it be to get it running effectively on an XT860? The XT860's hardware must be very similar to the XT862's (aside from the signal band/antenna hardware I'm guessing), correct?
Steel droid is really good, though I haven't tried it since the new version was released. But you would have to talk to chevy about porting it to the xt860. He might do it if you can get some people to donate
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Problem for porting to xt860 isn't donations, its the fact that right now there is no sbf, so if there's a problem with the flash, your SOL. It's the same reason there wasn't a whole lot of development for the droid 3 till we had a working SBF method.
I figured i should post this as it struck me as kinda odd...I got my new Nexus 4 today, My original had a small gap on the right side of the phone between the chrome and back section, and I wanted to compare the two so I ran some small test like Youtube, Browser, ect..the newer Nexus for some reason seemed just a little bit snappier..I then ran Antutu Benchmark and the scores were not close....Original has been factory reset..Both phones are completely stock and all settings were the same..Any thoughts are welcome
BTW phone on the left is original 302K. The one on the right is the newer 304K.
Sorry about the pic...took it with my girls LG Optimus L9..
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I figured i should post this as it struck me as kinda odd...I got my new Nexus 4 today, My original had a small gap on the right side of the phone between the chrome and back section, and I wanted to compare the two so I ran some small test like Youtube, Browser, ect..the newer Nexus for some reason seemed just a little bit snappier..I then ran Antutu Benchmark and the scores were not close....Original has been factory reset..Both phones are completely stock and all settings were the same..Any thoughts are welcome
BTW phone on the left is original 302K. The one on the right is the newer 304K.
Sorry about the pic...took it with my girls LG Optimus L9..
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Since the number only refers to the month of manufacture, it is likely that there are no differences. The few differences that might influence score would be outside temperature, internal phone temperature (one might be warmer/colder than the other internally, affecting speeds) and throttling engaged during the benchmark itself.
Exactly the same apps and accounts that sync on both phones? What was the temperature of the left phone? It lacks in the 3D test, so it could be possible that it got hot enough for the GPU to get throttled. To test this, you could wipe both phones to complete stock and ensure they both have no extra app downloaded, and install a custom kernel that raises the throttle temperature higher. If they come out roughly the same, it probably means you handled the left phone more than the right so it was already warmer and thus, reached the stock throttle temperature, or that the new Nexus 4 is better at dissipating the extra heat.
And i think the "seemed just a little bit snappier" may well be a placebo as stock Nexus 4 has some pretty aggressive mpdecision stuff that ensures the experience is as smooth as can be.
304K has a yellow tint like screen. Maybe its just the picture or the camera you used and the left phone can be throttled so assuming they have both stock rom and kernel without undervolt the newer 304K has lower temperatures.
My 302 k stock higher than your 304 .. It doesn't matter which "newer" version the nexus is. It works the same and the interior specs is the same. Threads about how 304 is different are pointless
I'm thinking they're not as "identically" set up as we're made to believe, like the alarm on the old phone and the no cellular service
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I'm perplexed as to why no one has pointed out that there is no left and right in the picture, only up and down.
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My 302 k stock higher than your 304 .. It doesn't matter which "newer" version the nexus is. It works the same and the interior specs is the same. Threads about how 304 is different are pointless
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Haha. Thread ends right here!
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It mainly depends on the variant of the s4 and any external variables that may trigger the throttling.
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Some batches of CPUs are better than others (just in what they can withstand) like some chips perform faster over clocked. While others (like mine) are slower when overclocked
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Anyone have any experience with this? Was thinking of switching to it, because it sounds like it could give a major performance boost to the phone, but am unsure because it is so new.
Anyone with major bugs because of switching to ART? Is it possible to revert back to dalvik once you switch to ART or are you locked in?
I experienced a visually slight performance boost.
WhatsApp won't work. Had a pain to get it working again after going back to Dalvik. Had to revert to 4.2.2, root, then update to 4.4 again. For that matter I'm not using it again until we get 4.4.2 which fix these issues.
If you ever switch to ART, you wont be able to use whatsapp even if you switch back to dalvik. You'll have to flash back to 4.2.2 and take the 4.4 OTA to get whatsapp to work again
I couldn't upload photos to FB every other version when ART was enabled. You can switch back and forth as often as you'd like, just prepare for a lengthy boot when switching to ART.
Waiting for 4.4.2 as other poster said. Currently running dalvik. I do think it runs better with ART. Snappier.
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I don't think I'd use ART on the Moto X quite yet. Moto has apparently optimized the qualcomm dalvik libs quite a bit to give the moto x a smooth fluid UI. ART will probably be better for the moto x eventually but I'm guessing it's not optimized for a specific phone at the moment.
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I don't think I'd use ART on the Moto X quite yet. Moto has apparently optimized the qualcomm dalvik libs quite a bit to give the moto x a smooth fluid UI. ART will probably be better for the moto x eventually but I'm guessing it's not optimized for a specific phone at the moment.
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It's fast. I used to use dalvik for about a week than switched to art. I've used art for more than a month now. I have a lot of third party's apps installed, even nonmarket ones. My Moto x is on 4.4 and rooted. I've never experienced any issue since I'm on art. Don't use Whatsapp or games though.
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It's fast. I used to use dalvik for about a week than switched to art. I've used art for more than a month now. I have a lot of third party's apps installed, even nonmarket ones. My Moto x is on 4.4 and rooted. I've never experienced any issue since I'm on art. Don't use Whatsapp or games though.
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I'm not saying it won't work, used ART on my N4 and S4 but I'm skeptical you are going to see better performance with ART vs. the highly optimized dalvik libs used by motorola for the moto x. Especially since it's unlikely google has optimized ART for specific hardware at this point.
In my experience with ART on the N4 and S4, some tasks seemed quicker, some seemed the same and some felt slower but I definitely took a hit in battery life. I'm guessing ART on the Moto X would have a similar reaction, some tasks might seem a little quicker but I'm betting battery life is going to take a hit as well as other tasks that rely on moto x specific hardware.
I could be wrong though since I've never used a moto x (just ordered mine about 12hrs ago so I'm waiting impatiently)
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I'm not saying it won't work, used ART on my N4 and S4 but I'm skeptical you are going to see better performance with ART vs. the highly optimized dalvik libs used by motorola for the moto x. Especially since it's unlikely google has optimized ART for specific hardware at this point.
In my experience with ART on the N4 and S4, some tasks seemed quicker, some seemed the same and some felt slower but I definitely took a hit in battery life. I'm guessing ART on the Moto X would have a similar reaction, some tasks might seem a little quicker but I'm betting battery life is going to take a hit as well as other tasks that rely on moto x specific hardware.
I could be wrong though since I've never used a moto x (just ordered mine about 12hrs ago so I'm waiting impatiently)
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It's really hard to compare speed and other behavior between two runtimes if you don't have two equal phones and run both systems simultaneously. I never complained that Moto x wasn't fast when I used dalvik. It seems even more responsive now under art but it might be a subjective performance evaluation, you never know if you don't have comparable reference. Anyway I think that dalvik on android is more past than future and if you don't have a specific reason to use dalvik you should give art a shot.
Good like with your new Moto x. I believe you'll like it.:good:
I switched to ART a few weeks back, and at that time thought I noticed a slight improvement in overall performance. I was pleased. After about a week, I installed Xposed. Unbeknownst to me, Xposed automatically reset the phone to dalvik (xposed is not ART compatible). I did not notice the change for several days, until I happened to see the runtime setting on the developer options screen. To me, this is good evidence for a placebo effect.
But try it yourself. You can always go back.
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I switched to ART a few weeks back, and at that time thought I noticed a slight improvement in overall performance. I was pleased. After about a week, I installed Xposed. Unbeknownst to me, Xposed automatically reset the phone to dalvik (xposed is not ART compatible). I did not notice the change for several days, until I happened to see the runtime setting on the developer options screen. To me, this is good evidence for a placebo effect.
But try it yourself. You can always go back.
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Exactly! Optimized Dalvik on Moto X is as good as ART if not better.
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There really is no benefit to art on the Moto x. It has hugely optimized davik libs. Now if Moto gives an update that has optimized art libs, it would be amazing. But for now, I am willing to bet that any performance increase is a placebo.
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I only really saw a performance boost between ART and Dalvik when I was using recent apps. There was really only like a milisecond difference between the two, but it was enough to annoy me. Battery life is really good on ART, didn't notice enough of a difference between the two.
Having used ART on my Nexus5 and MotoX I can say that it is definitely faster and better battery life. Not just placebo but thorough testing and look at the battery threads on both forums for proof. I will say that the difference was greater on the Nexus5 than on the MotoX but I feel that Google designed the 5 with ART in mind. MotoX still has a good improvement and I have no reason to go back to dalvik.
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I have been running art since it's release and love it. After numerous tests on two moto x's it is noticeably smoother. Much smoother. Battery life is a little better and certain apps open twice as fast While others do not open faster. I have 300 apps on my phone and since titanium added art support I have not found any app that does not work except xposed.
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Just thought I'd give my opinion as well. I've used ART on both the Nexus 5 and Moto X, and so far from my usage, there's noticeable improvement in performance and battery life versus dalvik.
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Alright I'll give it a shot tonight and report back on my findings as well.
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I have been running art since it's release and love it. After numerous tests on two moto x's it is noticeably smoother. Much smoother. Battery life is a little better and certain apps open twice as fast While others do not open faster. I have 300 apps on my phone and since titanium added art support I have not found any app that does not work except xposed.
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Even whatsapp? It's not working for me.
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Even whatsapp? It's not working for me.
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I do not use whatsapp. i am a google voice / hangouts user.
Truth is, no one knows--it's anecdotal and small sample sizes at best. Use whichever placebo floats your boat.
After 2 weeks on ART, back to Dalvik. ART maybe faster (maybe placebo effect), but delivers lots of small irritations: calenders lost (solved only by reboot), evernote FC-ing (for the interested, when taking page picture), etc-etc.. All of them small by themself, but adding together: too many small problems to stay with ART.
Sorry to say, but IMHO ART is just not ready for showtime yet..
So after seeing all these benchmarks, how the heck is the iPhone 6 plus faster than the nexus6? We've got 4 2.7ghz processor even though it is 32-bit compared to a dual core 1.4ghz 64-bit for the iPhone 6 plus... One of the reviews with benchmark figures is here
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Google-Nexus-6-vs-Apple-iPhone-6-Plus_id3854/page/2
How the heck is this possible, in graphics tests the iPhone has like 50% better performance according to this as well as other sites I looked at.
Can someone please explain this?
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nexus 6 vs iphone 6 vs note 4 speed test.. nexus 6 wins http://youtu.be/DV2X51kAVfc
Speed tests aside ... I had a 6 for 4 days to see if I would possibly like to switch. I didn't. I put it through it's paces and it is not even close to my N6. Now ... my previous N5 is slower but that's to be expected.
From that YouTube video it really seems like they were all the same, but it defiantly seems like the nexus 6 is slower at loading apps... Didn't really go over graphics performance which I thought was strange.... More detailed tests would be better...
I'll never buy an apple product in my life but I'm amazed at how that dual core processor can keep up with this quad core that is clocked twice as fast
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From that YouTube video it really seems like they were all the same, but it defiantly seems like the nexus 6 is slower at loading apps... Didn't really go over graphics performance which I thought was strange.... More detailed tests would be better...
I'll never buy an apple product in my life but I'm amazed at how that dual core processor can keep up with this quad core that is clocked twice as fast
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In the end of that video the Nexus 6 catches way up because of it's RAM, the iPhone 6 has to reload the apps entirely because it dumps them due to low memory.
Anyway, Android software has to support a very large range of hardware which lowers efficiency, and just the way it handles certain things about the OS is less efficient in general. iOS is much more streamlined for specific hardware and specific APIs, so it can do things very well for the hardware it has. Plus the graphics part of the iPhone6 processor is pretty beastly, no denying that. It is easily faster in raw power than the stuff in Snapdragons.
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From that YouTube video it really seems like they were all the same, but it defiantly seems like the nexus 6 is slower at loading apps... Didn't really go over graphics performance which I thought was strange.... More detailed tests would be better...
I'll never buy an apple product in my life but I'm amazed at how that dual core processor can keep up with this quad core that is clocked twice as fast
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You're forgetting that its a 720p display vs a 1440p display...
iOS runs everything compiled. ART helps bridge that gap somewhat, but not completely. The apps are run compiled, since they are compiled when installed, but they are not fully optimized. A good iOS app is compiled and optimized for the very limited variations of hardware it will run on. There is an expectation in the iOS world of separate iPad and iPhone apps. On the Android side, the expectation is that every app will run on every Android device ever produced, lol. So we are counting on a generic compiling. There is simply no way it will be as effective. Its one reason Samsung TouchWiz camera apps are always so much better than the generic ones--they were built and optimized for a particular device.
Also, you are putting too much emphasis on the processor. Apple learned some hard lessons in the powerPC Mac days. The GPU often has more influence over the user experience than the main processor, and the GPUs that Apple uses are top shelf.
So where does this adreno GPU lay? Doesn't nvidia offer a tegra or something as a GPU? I'd assume that is probably killer.. This is a top shelf phone I'd just expect more... And the battery life is horrid I can't believe it. Gonna have to keep a charger with me at all times its that bad. This charge just last me about 6 hrs on medium usage
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and remember, the iPhone is a 1.5ghz dual core, the n6 2.65ghz quad core. that said, id stll want my device to be an android.
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So after seeing all these benchmarks, how the heck is the iPhone 6 plus faster than the nexus6? We've got 4 2.7ghz processor even though it is 32-bit compared to a dual core 1.4ghz 64-bit for the iPhone 6 plus... One of the reviews with benchmark figures is here
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Google-Nexus-6-vs-Apple-iPhone-6-Plus_id3854/page/2
How the heck is this possible, in graphics tests the iPhone has like 50% better performance according to this as well as other sites I looked at.
Can someone please explain this?
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Who cares
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So after seeing all these benchmarks, how the heck is the iPhone 6 plus faster than the nexus6? We've got 4 2.7ghz processor even though it is 32-bit compared to a dual core 1.4ghz 64-bit for the iPhone 6 plus... One of the reviews with benchmark figures is here
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Google-Nexus-6-vs-Apple-iPhone-6-Plus_id3854/page/2
How the heck is this possible, in graphics tests the iPhone has like 50% better performance according to this as well as other sites I looked at.
Can someone please explain this?
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Notice the multi core performance. The nexus 6 easily beats it. And the Adreno 420 GPU blows everything out of the water. It has the same frame rates as the iPhone 6 even while its running in 1440p!
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