To those who own the phone, I want to know any battery life statistics you can provide.
I am very interested in this phone as it has that amazing keyboard, a nice 4" QHD screen, and it at least seems plausible there will be roms available at some point. But battery life I am not sure about, all the reviews I have read don't hit too hard on the battery life and I want someone to tell me heavy details about the battery life.
On a side note, if anyone can compare their D3 to this that would be great. I currently own a Droid Incredible, it is running MIUI, I have brightness set to 15-35% max, I have 3G turned off with Wifi on (as I live on a college campus with lots of wifi). On Easy to Moderate usage, I wouldn't have to charge for 2-3 days, On Medium to Heavy usage I end the day with at least 15%. With those same settings could I expect that from the Droid 3? (if so I would be extremely happy as I am very pleased with the Dinc battery life but I definitely need a keyboard.)
thank you for any help!
-Brett
I know the people who successfully had used the bloat removal script apparently get great battery, didn't work for me. But, depends what you consider heavy and moderate I guess. I usually charge once before leaving from work (I like to have more than 50% battery) I think I'm down to about 30% usually towards the end of my shifts playing music from my phone, txting a lot, browsing facebook and some forums.
It works decently when I'm off work tho cuz I txt and browse less.
Battery life is much improved if you listen to those running the leaked OS which the rest of us are waiting for "soon". Currently, battery life is disappointing. The battery life with light usage is erratic, some nights, just sitting on my desk, its drained to 20% from a full charge in 10-12 hours. Other nights, its at 80%. I gave up trying to figure it out.
I'm coming from a Droid X and the D3 is getting at least 35% less battery life for the same usage. My numbers aren't scientific, but I know I'm usually at 30% with the DX by 4pm; with the D3 I'm usually at 15% by 2pm. Both are using the Motorola extended battery.
mgerbasio said:
Battery life is much improved if you listen to those running the leaked OS which the rest of us are waiting for "soon". Currently, battery life is disappointing. The battery life with light usage is erratic, some nights, just sitting on my desk, its drained to 20% from a full charge in 10-12 hours. Other nights, its at 80%. I gave up trying to figure it out.
I'm coming from a Droid X and the D3 is getting at least 35% less battery life for the same usage. My numbers aren't scientific, but I know I'm usually at 30% with the DX by 4pm; with the D3 I'm usually at 15% by 2pm. Both are using the Motorola extended battery.
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Comparing apples and oranges will always be disappointing.
This phone has better battery life than any other phone I've owned since 1999 -- AFTER the update! Note that I do not consider simple hours-to-dead measurements, but how much I use the device. I think that for a dual-core, large-screen, keyboard, 3G device, its efficiency is excellent. Anyone who thinks the D3 has poor battery life has not owned an HTC or Samsung device lately
Before the update.. about 8-14hours of battery life. With the update, easily 2+ days and I use it quite a bit.
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I can confirm that the battery life is drastically increased with the new OTA update. After about 9 hours of usage of occational web browsing, listening to music, and making a few calls, the battery only drained by 40% on the extended battery pack.
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Anyone who thinks the D3 has poor battery life has not owned an HTC or Samsung device lately
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Sorry Dude but my incred2 running Miui and or OMFGB SMOKES this D3 with the new OS leak with battery life..Smokes it.......
I missed a charge over the weekend (charger not plugged into wall) and by the end of the second day on the battery I still had 49% charge left.
Make sure you get the extended battery.
Inc2
Yeah my dad has an inc2.....the battery life is pretty remarkable. My d3 just doesn't last as long haha
Before I purchased my Droid 3, I took the heed of several and also got the extended battery.
Now I use mine for business purposes, so I do not use any social applications. Just Exchange, Gmail, and one POP3 account. All set for Push. Probably on the phone 30-60 minutes a day. I have the Exchange data turned off at night as I use Touchdown for this and it lets me set my schedule.
I charge it when I it gets down to around 20 %, That is normally after three days of use. That's been pretty consistent since the first week I had it which has been at least a month ago.
Still Stock..... Of course YMMV....
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I can confirm that the battery life is drastically increased with the new OTA update. After about 9 hours of usage of occational web browsing, listening to music, and making a few calls, the battery only drained by 40% on the extended battery pack.
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Do you have a Bell branded XT860 or are you running with Verizon Droid3? I am wondering because my XT860's extended battery is a little rough (barely gets through an entire day) and was wondering if Bell released an update for that phone. Note I'm on Rogers, so I'm not sure if that would make a difference on me getting OTA updates.
Comparing a single-core phone with a 3.7" screen to a dual-core phone with a 4" display is not apples to apples to begin with. Throw in a FULLY debloated and optimized ROM(miui) with a custom kernal on a single core 3.7" phone is more like grapes to watermelons.
With the standard battery I can take the phone off the charger when I wake up and get through the day no problem. I am simply rooted with all the bloat frozen with TiBu.
I have had my note 4 a year now and have been an extreme user with lots of games, movies, Netflix, Ingressing, drawing etc.
I was wondering when I should start to get ready for a new battery?
I figure I should be getting close to its useful life soon and what to be ready since I should replace the one in the wife's note also.
6 months to a year
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Time to get new one soon. Once you start seeing battery dropping from 15-30 % to 1% within a minutes then replacement is needed. I replaced mine after 14 months. I choose anker instead samsung.
Well i have an external anker and currently always near a outlet so I never see 15% lol. But will be on amazon looking for new batteries
Proper battery cycling is key to long battery life. Allow battery to use up 90 to 95% of its charge then fully charge. Topping off battery constantly will shorten battery life drastically.
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Proper battery cycling is key to long battery life. Allow battery to use up 90 to 95% of its charge then fully charge. Topping off battery constantly will shorten battery life drastically.
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I have read many different things about when to charge, over night charging etc and pretty much from experts and no one ever says the same thing.
Topping off I have read its good and bad so when it comes to charging I will keep doing what I do now since I don't notice any loss. Hell I charge while playing games.
According to phone info app I have plugged in charger 1456 times and battery health is still good.
I just know with heavy use and games like Ingress battery won't last for ever and I am shopping now for batteries.
I have the ZeroLemon 8500mAh Extended Battery for the LG G4, courtesy of ZeroLemon (thanks guys).
Now I've done the (text) review on Amazon and YouTube but you know I like to do a bit of a rewrite for here. In short, this is a case and very extended battery where the case also acts as the back cover. The extension of the battery is basically a rectangular cube stuck on the back of the stock battery. Sounds simple, and it works great.
As you know, my tests for these are basically torture tests. I'm sure some of you who strive for minimal power usage could get over a week of life. However, I prefer to turn off any power saving, throw on WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS etc, use Google Maps on full brightness while I'm driving etc. I have not changed my habits in any way for this test.
For some of the screenshots, I've used Better Battery Stats and Ampere
The initial charge (straight out of box) was reported as 66% and gave about 19hr 30min worth of battery life... straight out of the box without connecting it to a charger.
Test two was to fully recharge (on a QC3 charger) and then discharge: 26hr 17min battery life with 6hr 52min screen on from the last screenshot I took before it powered off, so the actual values will be higher. Again, some high power draw uses, I'm NOT going for maximum possible battery life here.
Test 3 was roughly the same, although somehow Better Battery Stats didn't record screen on time and I've only just realized: 32hr 24min battery life from the last screenshot I took before it powered off, so the actual value will be higher.
One final test I wanted to mention, I recharged the battery in about 2hrs with the phone off. When it was on and I was using it, it took around 4hrs. Very manageable times.
The video version of this review has more details (boy taking all those screenshots took a long time):
Overall, I like it. It makes your phone 18mm thick and weigh 279.9g. I'm just fine with that for the capacity it gives. Remember, those things are preferences, not measures of quality.
The attached pictures are of the battery and case, and then the last screenshots before the phone died on one of the discharge tests.
[I received a sample for an honest review]
Dude omg i waited for someone to write up a review for this battery! Man check out My Thread for my results. Now i have a battery that has 300mah less then yours. Question: are you using a battery charger? (Without the standard charger/cable) and are you charging the phone overnight and does it discharge faster then normal?
Seven hours of sot does not seem like double the standard battery.
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Seven hours of sot does not seem like double the standard battery.
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He may have to charge it like 5 Times to get it's max capacity like I did
I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...
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I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...
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This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.
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This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.
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When I got it to die In 30-40 min I was on a phone call and surfing instagram. Took the tumi out yesterday with 80% battery in it and had my phones screen off streaming music over Bluetooth. The phone charged up about 25% before the battery pack died. Any ideas on how I could improve the battery life? My moto mods manager is up to date and I don't get any prompts to update anything whenever I snap on the mods
I was surprised when I found this post, so I checked how many percent of battery do I get with a my incipio battery mod. I plugged the mod, my phone's battery was at 15% and the battery mod was at 100%.
Now the Incipio battery mod is empty and my phone's battery is at 50%. So it charged my phone by 35%.
Pretty disappointing for a 2220 mAh battery that costs almost 100€ ...
To me the best use of the mod is to snap it on when the Moto Z Play is fully charged and to chose the option to keep the phone battery at 80%. With normal use, i've seen the mod keep the phone at 80% for up to a day. To me the mod is not meant to charge the phone but more to keep it from discharging.
To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?
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To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?
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The battery mods are not particularly useful for the Z Play because if you charge every night, you have basically unlimited battery life. Battery packs are extremely useful for the regular Z, though, which has extremely poor battery life on its own. They're basically mandatory for the Z.
I'm shocked that battery mods can only charge your internal battery and can't be used directly (discharging the mod battery instead of the internal battery), the same way Thinkpads that have more than one battery can do. That makes the $80 (vs maybe $10 for a 2000 mah ravpower) cost all the more eyebrow-raising.
I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity, making the internal battery the backup battery and wearing out the easily replaceable, easily swappable mods instead.
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I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity,
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What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.
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What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.
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Same sources as you, personal experience and basic knowledge (battery life being measured in cycles). I'm not even completely worried about average aging, but out of a batch of millions of batteries, plenty will start to experience rapid discharge early, even without abnormal heat, not to the point of being completely dead, but certainly no longer tolerable. Today's phone batteries might actually tolerate heat better than in the past, having been built for quick charging, which is the hottest a sd625 seems to get.
I've read manuals and battery university and a few tech blog articles all of which have differing advice, just like you and me, but I have yet to find a source I find credible (based on diverse large scale testing not limited anecdotal evidence or in the case of manuals, insanely outdated nicad-era stuff). And, sincerely no offense intended, I'm unlikely to decide cycles don't matter and weight your anecdotal evidence over mine anymore than you'd weight mine over yours. But if you ever find a good source with those comparisons, I'd be pleased to check it out too.
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Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
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Because I'm a very heavy user of my phone and don't want to worry about power even if I can't get to a outlet during the day.
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
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Because the bat mod is easy to slap on and keep on all the time (when I'm not using a different mod). Then I never have to worry about taking the pack with me or not or carrying the extra cable with me or not.
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time?
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Because I don't want to have to worry about having the charger with me or finding a spot to charge.
I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.
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I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.
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I quite like just not having to charge for three days. I have the battery mod which I use on the efficiency mode, and I got over a full day out of it. At the end of day three I had nearly 30% battery left. Probably enough for most of one more day.
The other thing for me is using wireless charging. I like just slapping my phone on a stand overnight when I do charge it. It charges slowly, yes, but it doesn't matter if I am charging overnight. I still have access to the quick charger if I need to get a full battery quick!
I use mine on my motorcycle where I'm riding for 10 hours a day. I'm at about 50% in 4 hours and dead by 7 or 8, so I'm hoping with the additional battery MOD that I can get at least 12 hours charge. I'm really bad about remembering to plug my phone in when I stop for a break!
@tag68 : dude I think you totally missed to read what @fortunz was saying, he was only pointing that he would like the Mods to be used as a primary source battery instead of being a "ultra-portable power bank".
Given that there is also a fraction of the power being lost in the form of heat, during charge/transfer, it is even more silly from Motorola not to have the battery used directly. I can say by the 25-35% charge from the Mods estimated from other users, that the efficiency is somewhere around 50%, HORRIBLE to say the least.
And yeah I was reading through both of your posts and good information was provided, although unnecessary friction used (not naming anyone).
I actually have kind of the same idea from @fortunz to prolong the battery life of my Z-play even with the mod just being a power bank.
Saying that the mods (~2220mah) charge your phone anywhere between 25-35%, I can actually take the top 25-35% out of my internal battery use and move it to the Mod.
So I can charge my phone up to 70% before going to bed, and then when my phone reaches 30% during the use next day, I'll just slap the mod.
I can allow myself a lot of variation to this, I will not be religious about it, the topic is to avoid hitting 100% charge, and instead, moving the wear of that 30% usage to the Mod.
According, to many articles, citing just one below, considering the depth of discharges and voltage levels, you guys might do the equation if you like, but according to the charts and theory:
charging my phone twice a day trying not to exceed 70%, will give me WAY more longevity run than charging up to 100% every day.
First charge will be from around 15% which is my normal deadline to around 70% with a wall charger, before going to bed.
Second charge will be from the mod from around 30% to around 60% (hopefully), which will give me portability while charging.
Total screen on time during the day, should be around 10% less, but well worth and I can definitely take the hit if getting more battery longevity as a trade.
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http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Huh, it even makes sense when explaining to other people...
In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.
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In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.
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Sadly that application requires root... and I don't want to unlock the bootloader and then having to worry about SafetyNet...
For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.
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For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.
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Well said
Thanks for the tip! I'll have it mind!
At the moment I don't feel like unlocking the bootloader because I'm planning to use the moto Mods and these can't be used with custom ROMs yet, and I have no use for root other than changing the work mode on Greenify but it already works well enough in No-Root mode, so for me there is no true benefit.
A good resource for lithium batteries are rc helicopter forums. Helis use speed controllers of many tens of amps, drain the batteries in minutes versus days to low levels and charge them at high speed. What reduces their life is heat, overcharging the voltage or over discharging the voltage. They do not age if left in a partial charge. You can let them sit for years unused and they will lose very little capacity. If you only run them at 70%cycle, they last about 3000 cycles.
Well, that was weird.
Phone at 9%, mophie mod at 100%. Put it on, barely used the phone (even took a nap). About an hour later, the mophie mod is at 50%, but the phone actually went down to 8%. Took off the mod and the phone went immediately to 4%. Ouch.
Mod normally works fine. It'll keep the phone at 80% for most of the day just fine. Not sure what was going on.