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how to buy a Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 with 64 bits CPU?

Hi everyone!
I want to buy the tablet Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 for its amazing screen, but the 64bits world is already here.
I checked that the only versions with a 64 bits cpu are just SM-T805S, SM-T805K, and SM-T805L with the Exynos 5433 in Korea.
Does anyone know where to buy it without going in person to Korea?
Or does anyone know if there is another version(s) with 64bits cpu and where to buy it?
Thanks!

Why do you want a 64 bit CPU?

codified said:
Why do you want a 64 bit CPU?
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I'll bet he doesn't even know. Saying 64 "bits" tells me he isn't very knowledgeable with technology. He just heard it from somewhere.

bloodrain954 said:
I'll bet he doesn't even know. Saying 64 "bits" tells me he isn't very knowledgeable with technology. He just heard it from somewhere.
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Or you can just be nice and explain to him why the 64 bit version won't garner him any real world benefits right now...:highfive:

wow!! how nice people are around here!!!
even if I dont have very high knowledge in technologies, you just have to write on google "64 bits android" to really know that 64 bits in android is not making any high difference now. So it doesnt really matter and whoever can know that. But at the same time, you can also see that there are some improvements and other "stuff" (typical word that some of my kind use) that will be useful soon while the rest of the techolopy (or technoloki... or how was the word? oh yes! = t-e-c-h-n-o-l-o-g-y ) is progressing.
I am not very advanced and thats why I am writing here, sorry that I didnt passed the test to write here.
Anyway, my only stupid reason why I want a 64 bits CPU is because of the money. Coz I dont have a lot. And I am the kind of person that tries to buy something that will last many years coz I cant afford to change deviced regularly. I bought my last laptop 10 years ago, it worked 7 years... and since then, there is no laptop. But my personal life is not the matter, and I am not asking about laptops or why I want a tablet now.
But I need a tablet that will last untill burns, and the "64bits world" is starting developing and in two years or so... I dont want to have a tablet that I cant use with something because 32 bits doesnt supported... but this is just an opinion anyway...

All 'new' tablets will last for a long time. 64 bit won't make a difference. If you feel it does, get the nexus 9. But even Google knows 32bit devices won't be going anywhere for a LONG time. Hence the reason the Nexus 6 is "only" using a 32bit processor. I'll be busy currently enjoying my brand new 32bit tablet

Just order online nuff said!

Sorry, didn't mean to make you feel stupid. I ask the question because a lot of people go blindly seeking the latest marketing term without realising what it means
64-bit processors are the new craze since Apple released one and had all the publicity about it
But it doesn't add much at all, and it won't future-proof your phone like you might think it would
This is a good article to read:
http://www.androidauthority.com/note-4-64-bit-32-bit-android-l-536280/
Anyway, the Exynos 5433 processor that you are talking about is technically 64 bit architecture but will only run in 32 bit mode, so you aren't really getting any of the advantages of 64 bit. You will have to wait for the Exynos 7420 for true 64-bit performance.

codified said:
Sorry, didn't mean to make you feel stupid. I ask the question because a lot of people go blindly seeking the latest marketing term without realising what it means
64-bit processors are the new craze since Apple released one and had all the publicity about it
But it doesn't add much at all, and it won't future-proof your phone like you might think it would
This is a good article to read:
http://www.androidauthority.com/note-4-64-bit-32-bit-android-l-536280/
Anyway, the Exynos 5433 processor that you are talking about is technically 64 bit architecture but will only run in 32 bit mode, so you aren't really getting any of the advantages of 64 bit. You will have to wait for the Exynos 7420 for true 64-bit performance.
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You are right, 64-Bit processors are only really beneficial if you have the added memory to make good use of them, Apple's was only a gimmick when you consider they still only come with 1gb of RAM whereas most other devices not coming from Apple have 2gb or more.

lorinkundert said:
You are right, 64-Bit processors are only really beneficial if you have the added memory to make good use of them, Apple's was only a gimmick when you consider they still only come with 1gb of RAM whereas most other devices not coming from Apple have 2gb or more.
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Thats not true. A 64-Bit processor have more registers and handle processing generally faster than the 32-Bit, even if you don't run any 64-Bit code on it.

caravana said:
Thats not true. A 64-Bit processor have more registers and handle processing generally faster than the 32-Bit, even if you don't run any 64-Bit code on it.
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Not without more RAM it doesn't, I design mobile devices so I have a ton of experience.

lorinkundert said:
Not without more RAM it doesn't, I design mobile devices so I have a ton of experience.
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RAM has nothing to do with the processors architecture, and with all due respect, your experience is not an argument. About the ARM 64-Bit architecture I can quote the AnandTech guys here:
Architecturally, the Cortex A57 is much like a tweaked Cortex A15 with 64-bit support. The CPU is still a 3-wide/3-issue machine with a 15+ stage pipeline. ARM has increased the width of NEON execution units in the Cortex A57 (128-bits wide now?) as well as enabled support for IEEE-754 DP FP. There have been some other minor pipeline enhancements as well. The end result is up to a 20 - 30% increase in performance over the Cortex A15 while running 32-bit code. Running 64-bit code you'll see an additional performance advantage as the 64-bit register file is far simplified compared to the 32-bit RF.
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And here AnandTech does detailed arm 32bit vs 64bit performance comparison:
The conclusion? There are definitely reasons outside of needing more memory to go 64-bit.
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So yes, the ARM 64-bit architecture is generally faster than the 32-bit counterpart, because of enhancements that does not depend on the amount of RAM available.

lorinkundert said:
Not without more RAM it doesn't, I design mobile devices so I have a ton of experience.
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I have a feeling you don't.

to take full advantage of a 64-bit processor you'd need an operating system that is also 64-bit as well, more than 4GB of ram (since 32-bit has a limitation of 4GB ram), and apps that are 64-bit.
For the pace of technology I'd say applications in the server-world (SQL and stuff) have fully taken advantage of 64-bit architecture for 10ish years, desktops maybe in the past 6 or 7 years.
It really depends on what type of programs you're using because certain things use the CPU, other's use the GPU. This being for games and such.
Apps like MX Player would take advantage of the CPU. ART in Android Lollipop will do us well. Bottom line- way too many factors but I don't think anything coming out on Android will make good use of a 64-bit architecture for a few more years. I mean, anything that would need 64-bits is really a battle with "is this a battery-friendly app or some intense app that should really be on a desktop?" or something. 64-bit just isn't needed right now. Personally, I like when developers focus on making programs that work best in a low power environment like a mobile device architecture.
You're buying an octacore tablet which is the most high-end device right now. I'd say Android and the hardware won't get much more fancier fancier for the next year or 2 and, TBH, this tablet won't start feeling sluggish for maybe 4 or 5 years as far as technology typically progresses.

Here's a video by Linus Tech tips detailing 64 bit vs 32 bit in a more layman term:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IknbgnJLSRY

Thanks for your messages.
After reading all and watching videos... I see that 64bit is not a big difference now, but it won't be for a very long time either... so it will be a little bit like the current situation in deskpots: even if 64bits is generally seen in everything, everything (almost) is still compatible with 32 bits and companies still give support to 32 bits...
and, on top of everything, if the "highest" option with this tablet is the exynos 5433 64 bits but only runs in 32bits mode... it makes no sense.
so, according to this, my question would be: how this tablet is going to handle Android Lollipop with the exynos 5420? I mean, how does the exynos 5420 (32 bits) handle android lollipop (64bits)?

There is a 64 bit option on my kernel configuration file for Note Edge 5433 and if enabled + unlocked 64 bit bootloader + firmware = winner. The 5433 Tab S is the same and has been deliberately crippled by Samsung to keep it on par with the crappy Snapdragon 805 which won't be ready for 64 bit until mid-next year. Even then, SD performance and potential doesn't even come close to the Exynos.

Let's get 64-bit Android to our Note 4 Exynos via a Kickstarter-campaign

Edit: Campaign Link Available: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/166919191/we-want-64-bit-android-on-our-note-4-and-tab-s2-97
Hi all,
As the proud owner of a Note 4, I am a digital enthusiast looking to facilitate my life as much as possible. I expect high performance, faultless experience and plenty of organisational functionalities.
Having chosen deliberately for the Exynos-version, I am also tech savvy and willing to pay an extra buck for a machine that will do the extra mile, both in speed and distance.
You can imagine my disappointment when I figured out that the Exynos 5433-version ships with a 32-bit Android, without a 64-bit update in sight. My extra buck down the drain, stuck with a 2 year long feeling of having paid a vast sum of money for an ‘old’ device.
After having browsed the fora and blog posts, I’ve seen I’m not the only one. Realising that this is ‘only’ a matter of code, I can not help but feeling we can solve this! (Samsung, if not, then this will have been my last Samsung device).
I've launched a kickstarter campaign where I want to find 1000 users, backing the campaign with €1 for 2 goals:
1) Gather all interested Note 4 and Tab S2 9.7 owners who want a 64-bit operating system to pressure Samsung with a high amount of discontent customers to release the bootloader source code..
2) Gather money to donate to a recognised developer that can make a 64-bit bootloader, once Samsung has released the bootloader source code.
With this tread, I’d like to ask those interested to join and spread the word! Together, we can win this
You can find the project on kickstarter.com by searching with "64 bit". You'll see the "we want android 64 bit for our exynos "- project.
I am sure that together, we can win this!
Dapollez

I would count myself happy if we even get the leaked revamped tw with 6.o. But don't give up. ?
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Might be unfair for snapdragon users, but hey, i bought my note4 for the 64bit capability. so count me in!

? Great Idea !
I m in

I must say that the respons is not what I'd epected. We won't make it this way.
Anybody any idea's on how to bring this under the attention? I would have loved to have posted in under the Exynos-development section, but I'm not allowed.
@moderator: Since timing is everything,it would be good to point people to the kickstater campaign on the first read of this post. Could you please allow me to add the link to the post (or do it yourself?) I've contacted 2 moderators, no reply yet.

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Sure why not, I really like to have this as it will make porting easier as I think

Is 64bit even worth it ? I thought it is worth when you have at least 4gb of ram

Finally someone just said wat I feel Iam completely supporting a man for 2 yearsnow and Iam waiting For someone in xda to succeed in activating 64 bit exynos note 4 , Don't giveup .

So what will that goal achieve? the figure showing that the phone is 64bit? Does it provide tangible improvements, will the phone perform better and consume less battery. To my knowledge it will do no such thing and I can only imagine how many men hours it will take to port all the libraries, kernel, bootloader, I fail to see the benefits.

Vichenec said:
So what will that goal achieve? the figure showing that the phone is 64bit? Does it provide tangible improvements, will the phone perform better and consume less battery. To my knowledge it will do no such thing and I can only imagine how many men hours it will take to port all the libraries, kernel, bootloader, I fail to see the benefits.
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The discussion whether 64 bit brings extra performance or not has been held on several other places, on XDA and elsewhere. I'd like to try to keep this post about the campaign as clean as possible to enthusiast as many as possible.
We will take advantage of ARMv8 architecture, both for CPU and GPU. So there will be a performance gain. How big remains to be proven. Besides this It's a matter of principle.

Dapollez said:
The discussion whether 64 bit brings extra performance or not has been held on several other places, on XDA and elsewhere. I'd like to try to keep this post about the campaign as clean as possible to enthusiast as many as possible.
We will take advantage of ARMv8 architecture, both for CPU and GPU. So there will be a performance gain. How big remains to be proven. Besides this It's a matter of principle.
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Im pretty sure there wont be any change. You allready have advantage of armv8( it has nothing to do with 64 bit) im using s6 edge and performance difference is very minimal even with overclocked cpu. I bet there wont be even 1% performance change but ram usage will be higher around 15% percent cuz of 64 bit so i hope note 4 sticks with 32 bit.

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Im pretty sure there wont be any change. You allready have advantage of armv8( it has nothing to do with 64 bit) im using s6 edge and performance difference is very minimal even with overclocked cpu. I bet there wont be even 1% performance change but ram usage will be higher around 15% percent cuz of 64 bit so i hope note 4 sticks with 32 bit.
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Then what about the benchmark scores ?
& overall performance ?
Whatever it may be , I think it should be available because exynos 5433 is 64bit supported.

usmann_090 said:
Then what about the benchmark scores ?
& overall performance ?
Whatever it may be , I think it should be available because exynos 5433 is 64bit supported.
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Which benchmark scores? Antutu has the biggest difference and its a bull**** benchmark anyway. And gpu is more powerful on 7420. Other benchmarks just about frequency difference 200 mhz overclock performance gain and its not that big for example 5433 get 1300/4600 on geekbench 7420 gets around 1500/5200. Thats all. About daily usage its just same for me i even tried it now app launchs etc almost same web pages load almost same.

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Which benchmark scores? Antutu has the biggest difference and its a bull**** benchmark anyway. And gpu is more powerful on 7420. Other benchmarks just about frequency difference 200 mhz overclock performance gain and its not that big for example 5433 get 1300/4600 on geekbench 7420 gets around 1500/5200. Thats all. About daily usage its just same for me i even tried it now app launchs etc almost same web pages load almost same.
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Nah its not about oc.even if u can oc your cpu now to the same freq on 7420 the score wouldn't be the same. Cuz 7420 have diffrent CPU*architecture . and 7420 will be better because it would have the latest CPU*architecture. Soo yeah

white7561 said:
Nah its not about oc.even if u can oc your cpu now to the same freq on 7420 the score wouldn't be the same. Cuz 7420 have diffrent CPU*architecture . and 7420 will be better because it would have the latest CPU*architecture. Soo yeah
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Not its just same cpu architecture both cortex a57 only difference is in production 1 is 20 nm 1 is 14 nm. And it doesnt effect performance directly it just gives you a thermal space so they can overclock cpu to 2.1 ghz like in 7420 basically you cant overclock 5433 to 2.1 its just too much for it in 20 nm.
Btw we are talking about 64 bit not cpus itself. And whatever i use both of them anyway and i dont think 7420 worths anything 2015 is just waste for me imho.

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Not its just same cpu architecture both cortex a57 only difference is in production 1 is 20 nm 1 is 14 nm. And it doesnt effect performance directly it just gives you a thermal space so they can overclock cpu to 2.1 ghz like in 7420 basically you cant overclock 5433 to 2.1 its just too much for it in 20 nm.
Btw we are talking about 64 bit not cpus itself. And whatever i use both of them anyway and i dont think 7420 worths anything 2015 is just waste for me imho.
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The revision. And btw they quietly improve things up u didnt know so yea

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The revision. And btw they quietly improve things up u didnt know so yea
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Well peak performance doesnt effected by small differences even s810 with same cores (a57) gives same peak performance but sustainable performance can change between all of them. Again its not a soc thread im just commenting about 64 bit.

im in. I support you.

Vichenec said:
So what will that goal achieve? the figure showing that the phone is 64bit? Does it provide tangible improvements, will the phone perform better and consume less battery. To my knowledge it will do no such thing and I can only imagine how many men hours it will take to port all the libraries, kernel, bootloader, I fail to see the benefits.
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Does it matter? If people are willing to pay for it and developers are willing to do the work, I don't see any harm in it. Always better to have 64-bit support.

Use CPU as help for main PC

As we can know, our phones have 8 cores, all Cortex 53, 64 bit.
Can someone make a program, to somehow make the phones cpu (or gpu/ram) to assist the PC through USB (wifi would be too slow..) Even if these 8 cores would work as one real cpu core, that would be nice I'm not the one who would use it + i can even pay if it's needed 5eu :d
Ideea seems to be easy, but in reality... I guess it is hard, cuz it need time for the information to go through usb-phone, to convert, to send it back etc... I read that it wasn't posibble some years ago, but now that we have ALL the same cpu (8 cortex 53 not 4a and 4b cores), + 64 bit

Usb port would be issue

Audriuskins said:
Usb port would be issue
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What would be the issue? Connection, i guess adb is good, too slow? Ahh

This is a joke, right?

BrainNotFound said:
This is a joke, right?
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Ya it is, BrainNotFound

You know that a single core of your pc is like 10x more powerful than all of those 8 cores right. Plus, sharing the core's tasks through USB wouldn't be feasiable.

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You know that a single core of your pc is like 10x more powerful than all of those 8 cores right. Plus, sharing the core's tasks through USB wouldn't be feasiable.
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What? 10x slower? But in some benchmarks it's actually really good, i believed that these 8 cores are at least as good as 1 cpu core... I mean secondary tasks, like ts/skype or something... Not main apps, like Photoshop or games

D1stRU3T0R said:
What? 10x slower? But in some benchmarks it's actually really good, i believed that these 8 cores are at least as good as 1 cpu core... I mean secondary tasks, like ts/skype or something... Not main apps, like Photoshop or games
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For that, you can easily install those apps on your phone.

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For that, you can easily install those apps on your phone.
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Right, but i can't ue some features + i need 2 headphones... One pc(hearing what i want) and one communicating

D1stRU3T0R said:
Right, but i can't ue some features + i need 2 headphones... One pc(hearing what i want) and one communicating
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Just install them on your pc? Teamspeak's performance impact isn't noticeable, nor would a phone help it in any way, especially a low end phone like this one...

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Just install them on your pc? Teamspeak's performance impact isn't noticeable, nor would a phone help it in any way, especially a low end phone like this one...
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It was just an example...

I'm kind of amazed nobody's pointed out that this is not and could not be possible.
The CPUs in our phones are what is called ARM technology [which is, in short, a less powerful and portable type of processor chipset]
Your desktop, I would assume, uses x86 or amd64 (a.k.a x86_64) technology which has a completely different instruction set.
Essentially, the application in question, would have to be specially modified to run on an ARM chipset - but you might as well upgrade your PC.
Not only that, the apps you mentioned (TeamSpeak [and Skype?]) already have mobile versions anyway; so could you not just download an app and use it on your phone?
Finally, (if you run Windows), you might want to open Task Manager and check what's maxing out and upgrade that component, because I bet it's probably your RAM and not the CPU anyway...

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I'm kind of amazed nobody's pointed out that this is not and could not be possible.
The CPUs in our phones are what is called ARM technology [which is, in short, a less powerful and portable type of processor chipset]
Your desktop, I would assume, uses x86 or amd64 (a.k.a x86_64) technology which has a completely different instruction set.
Essentially, the application in question, would have to be specially modified to run on an ARM chipset - but you might as well upgrade your PC.
Not only that, the apps you mentioned (TeamSpeak [and Skype?]) already have mobile versions anyway; so could you not just download an app and use it on your phone?
Finally, (if you run Windows), you might want to open Task Manager and check what's maxing out and upgrade that component, because I bet it's probably your RAM and not the CPU anyway...
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Hi, i knowed all of this, but I didn't know that ARM can't process x86_x64 apps. My PC us giid enough, it's never running 100 ram or cpu, but still, little help won't be bad.

This device is a SCAM

So you release a phone with 64bit processor in 2018
And you put 32bit ROM!!!! What's wrong with U!!!
This device is a scam for everyone who bought it expecting a great Roms support because he saw xiaomi phones getting ROMs right away . but this phone simply doesn't !

It's essentially the same as an older 'mido' too, they just put some lipstick on an old ARM board and sell it like it's new...

A 64 bits OS on a device with less than 4Go of RAM is .... totally useless .... Even if we are in 2019 ....
Keep 32 Bits in this case is the best solution : Applications needs less RAM than on a 64 bits OS.

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A 64 bits OS on a device with less than 4Go of RAM is .... totally useless .... Even if we are in 2019 ....
Keep 32 Bits in this case is the best solution : Applications needs less RAM than on a 64 bits OS.
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This is not true. 64bit apps have better performance. There is also a 4GB RAM version of this phone. Xiaomi should be ashamed for creating a 32bit only ROM for this device.

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This is not true. 64bit apps have better performance. There is also a 4GB RAM version of this phone. Xiaomi should be ashamed for creating a 32bit only ROM for this device.
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Can also confirm that comment is incorrect. Even my Raspberry Pi is faster with 64-bit OS (Debian).
The claim applications use more RAM, simply because they are 64 bit, is also incorrect.

64bit kernel

Can i build a 64bit kernel from the existing kernel source code here?
https://github.com/MotorolaMobilityLLC/kernel-msm/releases/tag/MMI-ODS27.104-31-2
This phone has great portential am sure it can perform well on 64bit gsi roms, we just need a 64bit kernel and will also be able to use the existing Gcam for perfect photos.
I have read around and came across 64bit kernels and roms built for devices that were initially 32bit. But am not sure if we only need a 64bit boot.img or the bootloader and other stuff also need to be modified to support that code.

Probably won't be possible for a little while more.

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Probably won't be possible for a little while more.
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Explanation?

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Explanation?
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Also need /vendor, blobs, etc. and... Whole new device tree or common tree. (For ROMs anyway)
For GSI, I would think minimum, 64 bit vendor
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I say give it a shot if have kernel building knowledge. See if it works. If it doesn't, try working on vendor.

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Probably won't be possible for a little while more.
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Its possible, Vache did it for the Moto G5 plus which was initially 32bit. I tried contacting him, but unfortunately he says he cant help unless he had the device.
check here https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5-plus/development/dev-64bits-t3708091

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Also need /vendor, blobs, etc. and... Whole new device tree or common tree. (For ROMs anyway)
For GSI, I would think minimum, 64 bit vendor
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I say give it a shot if have kernel building knowledge. See if it works. If it doesn't, try working on vendor.
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I see, sounds like a whole lot of work. Hope somebody comes to our aid. Would love to use gcam with potrait mode on this.

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I see, sounds like a whole lot of work. Hope somebody comes to our aid. Would love to use gcam with potrait mode on this.
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So much more possibilities would open with a 64-bit kernel (64-bit TWRP, Potentially ARM64 Treble, as well as apps that require 64-bit kernels). I would love to see a 64-bit kernel come to the Moto G6!

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So much more possibilities would open with a 64-bit kernel (64-bit TWRP, Potentially ARM64 Treble, as well as apps that require 64-bit kernels). I would love to see a 64-bit kernel come to the Moto G6!
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You are right, we could enjoy better performance, better camera (gcam), 64bit recoveries like Orange fox and vast GSI roms. Hope somebody will work on it or come over to guide on how to do it.

i dont think switching to 64 bit will give us ANY better performance. Fortnight will still not work, literally the only benefit would be better GSI support (though, they'll need to be extremely customized by developers still in order to have a properly working phone still) GCAM is going to suck with vignetting still like we get on the 32 bit, older version.

Dadud said:
i dont think switching to 64 bit will give us ANY better performance. Fortnight will still not work, literally the only benefit would be better GSI support (though, they'll need to be extremely customized by developers still in order to have a properly working phone still) GCAM is going to suck with vignetting still like we get on the 32 bit, older version.
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Trust me, performance would improve, about fortnight gaming aint a priority for some of us. And gcam would work well if we have gcam version 5 and up. Like on the moto g5s, gcam works superb with sd 450 i got my facts straight

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Trust me, performance would improve, about fortnight gaming aint a priority for some of us. And gcam would work well if we have gcam version 5 and up. Like on the moto g5s, gcam works superb with sd 450 i got my facts straight
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"trust me" is a phrase i never belive on these forums. how do yo know for a fact? wheres your proof? Gcam will still take ****ty photos without a modded APK.

Dadud said:
"trust me" is a phrase i never belive on these forums. how do yo know for a fact? wheres your proof? Gcam will still take ****ty photos without a modded APK.
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What do you not understand? It's pretty obvious that performance would improve. And regarding the "heavily customized GSI's to work with this phone", do you just have a hatred towards this phone? Android Oreo 32bit GSI's ran well (I never got Android Pie GSI's running), and literally THE ENTIRE POINT of the GSI is to be a Generic System Image, if a 64-bit kernel was released, most 64-bit GSI's would probably run. Also with the Gcam thing, The app doesn't decide the photo quality (and the G6 does take good photos for it's price range, it feels like you are trying to compare it to a Galaxy S10), the camera itself does.
Simply,
Fortnite isn't a priority.
Camera quality is usually determined by the camera itself.
GSI's wouldn't need to be heavily customized.
Performance would improve.
64-bit kernels naturally just run better than 32-bit kernels.

Dadud said:
"trust me" is a phrase i never belive on these forums. how do yo know for a fact? wheres your proof? Gcam will still take ****ty photos without a modded APK.
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64bit is known to use ram efficiently. Gcam ports for 64bit are pleanty, will just need to choose one with less bugs. You should have some hope, you sound hopeless

NolanLinuxDev said:
What do you not understand? It's pretty obvious that performance would improve. And regarding the "heavily customized GSI's to work with this phone", do you just have a hatred towards this phone? Android Oreo 32bit GSI's ran well (I never got Android Pie GSI's running), and literally THE ENTIRE POINT of the GSI is to be a Generic System Image, if a 64-bit kernel was released, most 64-bit GSI's would probably run. Also with the Gcam thing, The app doesn't decide the photo quality (and the G6 does take good photos for it's price range, it feels like you are trying to compare it to a Galaxy S10), the camera itself does.
Simply,
Fortnite isn't a priority.
Camera quality is usually determined by the camera itself.
GSI's wouldn't need to be heavily customized.
Performance would improve.
64-bit kernels naturally just run better than 32-bit kernels.
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Well spoken:good:

dmilz said:
64bit is known to use ram efficiently. Gcam ports for 64bit are pleanty, will just need to choose one with less bugs. You should have some hope, you sound hopeless
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Tell that to my Nexus 9. And all the other people owning a Nexus 9. A processor capable of running 64 bit, will run exponentially better on a 32 bit operating system. Especially with 2 GB of RAM.

madbat99 said:
Tell that to my Nexus 9. And all the other people owning a Nexus 9. A processor capable of running 64 bit, will run exponentially better on a 32 bit operating system. Especially with 2 GB of RAM.
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How one device performs doesn't decide how all devices perform. Not only that, but you are comparing a tablet that was released in 2014 to a phone released in 2019. It sure sounds like you are saying 64-bit is inferior. There are several holes in your logic there, because first of all, all software will support 64-bit processors by August, and quite a few apps will probably become exclusive to 64-bit kernels and operating systems.

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How one device performs doesn't decide how all devices perform. Not only that, but you are comparing a tablet that was released in 2014 to a phone released in 2019. It sure sounds like you are saying 64-bit is inferior. There are several holes in your logic there, because first of all, all software will support 64-bit processors by August, and quite a few apps will probably become exclusive to 64-bit kernels and operating systems.
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You have it a bit, muddied. Everything will be backward compatible for a while.
But I was saying, a processor capable of running 64 bit Android, will handle better on 32. I don't care for games on a phone, or camera apps with functions this phone will never have.
For day to day use, it will handle a bit better on 32. Trying to push this chip to Max itself out trying to manage 64 bit instructions and calculations isn't the answer to better performance.
But I can tell you're not going to listen to me. And I'm not trying to convince you.
The Nexus 9 part was just an example, not a direct comparison

madbat99 said:
You have it a bit, muddied. Everything will be backward compatible for a while.
But I was saying, a processor capable of running 64 bit Android, will handle better on 32. I don't care for games on a phone, or camera apps with functions this phone will never have.
For day to day use, it will handle a bit better on 32. Trying to push this chip to Max itself out trying to manage 64 bit instructions and calculations isn't the answer to better performance.
But I can tell you're not going to listen to me. And I'm not trying to convince you.
The Nexus 9 part was just an example, not a direct comparison
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After reading that, I realize where you're coming from, and I took that out of context. I should've realized the Nexus 9 part was a example. And while yes, a 64-bit kernel wouldn't directly better performance, it would open up more possibilities regarding customization (for example, ARM64 GSI's would eventually work if we did this), but for now, we don't need a 64-bit kernel, and we should wait until it becomes a little bit more important (once apps begin abandoning 32-bit).

madbat99 said:
You have it a bit, muddied. Everything will be backward compatible for a while.
But I was saying, a processor capable of running 64 bit Android, will handle better on 32. I don't care for games on a phone, or camera apps with functions this phone will never have.
For day to day use, it will handle a bit better on 32. Trying to push this chip to Max itself out trying to manage 64 bit instructions and calculations isn't the answer to better performance.
But I can tell you're not going to listen to me. And I'm not trying to convince you.
The Nexus 9 part was just an example, not a direct comparison
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But in reality you know there will be better resource handling on a 64bit kernel. It's alright if you don't care, some of us do. If you don't care, don't brush off the whole idea. Just be comfortable with 32bit then.

madbat99 said:
Tell that to my Nexus 9. And all the other people owning a Nexus 9. A processor capable of running 64 bit, will run exponentially better on a 32 bit operating system. Especially with 2 GB of RAM.
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Ok, but we want 64bit.. Make for us if you can