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Is it a upgrade at all?
not really - you no longer have as close to stock android, no guarantee for updates, incompatibility with some applications, only good thing is the camera
you might be better to wait and see what the new pixel is going to be like
I have both devices, I work in the arts fields, and I value camera quality. It really is a toss between the two, camera wise, both npu help get really good results. I grew up in the eighties and I am therefore used to manipulate settings in order to get the image I want. I am no professional photographer anyhow, but I get more from the P20 pro.
Monochrome Lens, telescopic lens, and either 40 mp or reduced 10 mp photos that are equally good of not better than pixel 2 XL.
On the other hand, sure, the Google device is getting updates, as all my previous nexuses. But if you get into the maze that is sometimes the setting panel in the p20 pro, you can in about phone section help the phone learn even better by telling him your rules about apps launches , fine tune it, and in a week or so your battery life will improve with added machine learning, just as in Pie.
Battery wise it's silly to try to compare them hardware size only, as, one it is to me only a guess allot who will have lost which percentage on a daily comparable usage. Both can go beyond the next day, but you'll have to charge it at some point, that next day anyway.
Lack of Bt 5.0 but oh well, I can still manage with the bundled app on my Bluetooth speakers play in stereo and up to 50 devices simultaneously, mind you. So no issue for me here.
I had no issue with the pixel neither and it has 5.0 BT.
Responsiveness is on par, and yeah stock Google's vision of Android is lighter and less resource hungry, but, the p 20 pro is more bloated, butt the trend in Huawei is to simplify the ui and it's navigation, and make it closer to say a Google device, but not too close. Emui is like a custom rom with tons of options. But you can turn them down if you want. So being a long time nexus buyer and then some OnePlus devices also, it was a jump but as I still have all my devices at hand, I don't regret getting the p20 pro. Which I had to learn how to use, but, once done is another kind of pleasuring experience also.
Hope this helps. I guess phones have reached a plateau and it's just npu in the next years that will improve every aspects of our phone's usage and optimization, but npus are in their beginnings. Cheers.
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I have both devices, I work in the arts fields, and I value camera quality. It really is a toss between the two, camera wise, both npu help get really good results. I grew up in the eighties and I am therefore used to manipulate settings in order to get the image I want. I am no professional photographer anyhow, but I get more from the P20 pro.
Monochrome Lens, telescopic lens, and either 40 mp or reduced 10 mp photos that are equally good of not better than pixel 2 XL.
On the other hand, sure, the Google device is getting updates, as all my previous nexuses. But if you get into the maze that is sometimes the setting panel in the p20 pro, you can in about phone section help the phone learn even better by telling him your rules about apps launches , fine tune it, and in a week or so your battery life will improve with added machine learning, just as in Pie.
Battery wise it's silly to try to compare them hardware size only, as, one it is to me only a guess allot who will have lost which percentage on a daily comparable usage. Both can go beyond the next day, but you'll have to charge it at some point, that next day anyway.
Lack of Bt 5.0 but oh well, I can still manage with the bundled app on my Bluetooth speakers play in stereo and up to 50 devices simultaneously, mind you. So no issue for me here.
I had no issue with the pixel neither and it has 5.0 BT.
Responsiveness is on par, and yeah stock Google's vision of Android is lighter and less resource hungry, but, the p 20 pro is more bloated, butt the trend in Huawei is to simplify the ui and it's navigation, and make it closer to say a Google device, but not too close. Emui is like a custom rom with tons of options. But you can turn them down if you want. So being a long time nexus buyer and then some OnePlus devices also, it was a jump but as I still have all my devices at hand, I don't regret getting the p20 pro. Which I had to learn how to use, but, once done is another kind of pleasuring experience also.
Hope this helps. I guess phones have reached a plateau and it's just npu in the next years that will improve every aspects of our phone's usage and optimization, but npus are in their beginnings. Cheers.
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The learning is not perfect and even if you do change the battery settings for apps, you will still have some issues with certain apps (mainly stuff linking to cloud as they don't tend to backup until you open the app, even if told can run in the background), some apps can still be killed off and you just need to restart them again.
The trend in Huawei is not to make the UI closer to a Google device, but infact the UI is closer to Apple and it is only recently they have added the option to have a proper android desktop instead of the apple style desktop.
If you concerned about updates, application compatibility, ability to unlock the devicethen go with Google otherwise if not bothered about these then yeh choose a Huawei device
True, as I wrote, npu are learning but are in their infancy, what Huawei does is similar to what pixel device can do, but Google has a much better algorithm. So you are right, and some apps don't play nicely with the emui framework, Google photos is dropping frame rates just when scrolling through photos. As for iPhone /ios looks, I guess I don't particularly practice it. No ios device in the house for.... Years.
If only the pixel had a monochrome lens or an optical zoom or a software way to deliver those, it would be great. Maybe it will happen, hdr+ is such a great standard, who knows what new capacity they can bring with the software.
I'm curious because I've read that a lot of people don't like the camera. Why is that? I'm not sure if I should buy that phone.
Chippelchen said:
I'm curious because I've read that a lot of people don't like the camera. Why is that? I'm not sure if I should buy that phone.
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Why you make a new topic about this because its been talked about and some hate it but many love it. But why focus on words when you can judge for your self when you go to places like flickr and see how each phone takes them photo's
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I'm curious because I've read that a lot of people don't like the camera. Why is that? I'm not sure if I should buy that phone.
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The point and shoot is second to none.
The pro and night modes are both second to none..
Telephoto lens is superb
Only thing is say ia better is HDR on the pixel.
Besides that the p20 Pro stands alone. Even against late 2018 phones.
Unbeatable point & shoot camera performance. Never seen a camera fair that well on phone before.
Pixel 3 camera is very good but not as refined or versatile as the Huawei system.
If you don't know how to tame it, you will not like it. But if you can tame it and know the capabilities and limitations of the sensor, you will love it!
I'm having a blast with it, because i know how it works inside out and now i can push it to it's limits.
/ Magnus
I love it
The thing I don't like is that I often get blurry images if I point and shoot
Hello,
For "HDR" effect, yu can use "night mode" in the day time. Otherwise I love the camera... competely... Have been using this phone on daily bases for 3 months and I'm astonished.
Here are some pictures - point and shoot
https://imgur.com/a/wcyZP4q
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Unbeatable point & shoot camera performance. Never seen a camera fair that well on phone before.
Pixel 3 camera is very good but not as refined or versatile as the Huawei system.
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You got your hands on Pixel 3 already? Weird I thought they're not supposed to deliver until sometime later.
Not at all, There is a entire thread showing the amazing photos this phone can deliver, this phone camera is versatile, it has the best nightmode out there, the best zoom, and the main 40mp sensor can capture a lot of detail, Last night i manage to take a photo of a lighting (https://i.imgur.com/32TxPqG.jpg).
a flicker with P20 pro photos :
https://www.flickr.com/groups/[email protected]/
Yea, i love the P20 pro camera and night mode is freaking awesome! Only negative things i can think off is no stabilization on 4k video and the selfie cam could be a bit better but besides these 2 i think this camera is pretty much the best you can get right now for a cheap price.
for me it doesn't matter what i read or what other peoples say.
The camera of this phone is insane. Especially the night mode. Never saw something like this. Night shots looks brighter than with the human eye?
The only thing i don't like is the post processing of the camera app (oversharpening)
P20 Pro camera is neither bad, nor cheap, but both of those are highly subjective opinions. And you know what they say about opinions....
I am enjoying mine very much.
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I'm curious because I've read that a lot of people don't like the camera. Why is that? I'm not sure if I should buy that phone.
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The front/selfie camera is what most people are complaining about, esp. the color saturation. It gives a plasticy color to human skin.
The main camera is superb.
The camera is really bad on this phone.
Pictures are so over processed and lake dynamic range.
In 10mpx it's inusable and in 40mpx il't noisy. Video recording is also bad.
This phone is just horrible. My olds S8+ and Xiaomi Mi9t are much better except for zooming and low light. S9+ destroys completely the p20 pro.
I really regret my purchase.
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The camera is really bad on this phone.
Pictures are so over processed and lake dynamic range.
In 10mpx it's inusable and in 40mpx il't noisy. Video recording is also bad.
This phone is just horrible. My olds S8+ and Xiaomi Mi9t are much better except for zooming and low light. S9+ destroys completely the p20 pro.
I really regret my purchase.
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I cannot second that. The only thing i can complain about is video recording.
Main shooter is more than capable to take great pics. It's incomparably better than op 7t.
The camera quality on this phone is really good. Anyone who says it's crap is objectively wrong.
The camera quality in the p20 pro still today better than many flagship, more than one year later, I compare the camera with the recents iPhone 11 pro max, pixel 4, mate 30 pro, samsung note 10, and it's nothing to envy of them, the kirin 970 is slower in games, but is smooth and very fast still
what is the best siting of camera ? in 10 m pixel or 40m pixel ?
Depend on the situation, with good daylight 40, 10 if you don't want big pictures files, for zoom, night and difficult light conditions better 10, normally I use 10, because Huawei optimized the software and the cams to work together in this setup, working main, telephoto and monochrome camera sensor together for improvement results
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what is the best siting of camera ? in 10 m pixel or 40m pixel ?
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Hello! Well, the time have come for an upgrade. My S7e's battery is dying too quick and is laggy as hell. Looking for replacements, i have the option to get this phone for pretty much nothing on my carrier. Should i got for it?
My main concerns are the overall performance (CPU and GPU) as i hate laggy phones and battery life, would love a phone that actually gets me through the day. Is the Mate 20 Lite good enough for me?
Will be good to mention for what you use your phone mostly.
Anyway, here are my thoughts.
If you are gaming kind user... Go for other phone. Here you must be play at medium settings on most of the games.
If you are camera kind user... Go for other phone. Here you will got a pretty much a mediocre quality photos. AI camera is much of the marketing trick, To me HDR on back camera didn't work well. You cant install a gCam bcoz of a Kirin soc limitations. After shot processing is poor. Overall camera satisfaction is little below average.
If you are social media kind user... Keep in mind screen dimming issue. You will play much with a brightness slider very often in apps.
If you are easy kind user... If you use a phone mostly for calls, little web browsing, few captures with frends that you watching on the phone... Maybe Mate 20 Lite will fit to you. Battery is the bigger advantage of this device. Will take you more than a day and half with that kind of usage.
I'm sure on this price every phone will have disadvantages, but take a look on Poco F1, Honor play, Asus ZenFone 5, Moto G6 Plus or some Samsung A series.
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forbidden8 said:
Will be good to mention for what you use your phone mostly.
Anyway, here are my thoughts.
If you are gaming kind user... Go for other phone. Here you must be play at medium settings on most of the games.
If you are camera kind user... Go for other phone. Here you will got a pretty much a mediocre quality photos. AI camera is much of the marketing trick, To me HDR on back camera didn't work well. You cant install a gCam bcoz of a Kirin soc limitations. After shot processing is poor. Overall camera satisfaction is little below average.
If you are social media kind user... Keep in mind screen dimming issue. You will play much with a brightness slider very often in apps.
If you are easy kind user... If you use a phone mostly for calls, little web browsing, few captures with frends that you watching on the phone... Maybe Mate 20 Lite will fit to you. Battery is the bigger advantage of this device. Will take you more than a day and half with that kind of usage.
I'm sure on this price every phone will have disadvantages, but take a look on Poco F1, Honor play, Asus ZenFone 5, Moto G6 Plus or some Samsung A series.
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Thank for your insights! Im more of a gamer. A good camera is appreciated, but not an absolute must. I would like it to be on par with my S7e at least though. I will see what i can do then. Seems like this phone isn't the one for me. The Honor Play seems nice but its not available on my carrier/country.
djluis48 said:
Hello! Well, the time have come for an upgrade. My S7e's battery is dying too quick and is laggy as hell. Looking for replacements, i have the option to get this phone for pretty much nothing on my carrier. Should i got for it?
My main concerns are the overall performance (CPU and GPU) as i hate laggy phones and battery life, would love a phone that actually gets me through the day. Is the Mate 20 Lite good enough for me?
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I would say it's a downgrade man! Try to grab a Mate 10 PRO at least!
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Martin213 said:
Hi guys. I need an advise on wich phone to choose Mi 9T pro or Redmi note 8 pro. I'm not a heavy gamer. For me most important is camera,battery and community support (yes i know about 8 Pro Helio soc). Watched many videos in YouTube and still can't decide which device to choose. Seems both have a good camera's and decent battery life. Help me to choose ?
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My biggest influences was that I didn't want a notch or punch hole and wanted to ensure a decent level of custom ROM support.
It sounds like MTK are looking to be a bit more dev friendly, but personally I would want to see that happen first before considering an MTK device.
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Martin213 said:
What about camera between these two? I prefer better camera over notch/punch hole (i don't like those too) but community support Is most important for a long term usage...
Maybe i have to wait a bit longer and see what will happen with 8 Pro and development.
Thx
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The jury is out, with regards the camera. DXOmark didn't think it was anything special. There is a limit to how many pixels you can cram in such a tiny space and I reckon the Samsung ISOCELL chip had pushed things too far. It will be relying, too much, on post processing to remove the noise. Keeping around the 48MP range of the Sony and of their earlier ISOCELL sensor (so 12MP effective for most shots), with the larger sensor size could have given them a sweet spot.
I've got an S20 but will have to return it due to these ridiculous financing (leasing, let's be honest) plans that exist now. The price I'd have to pay to keep it or even an open box S20 or something is way more than what I can get a new P30 for. I've been studying the specs a lot, and it comes down to a few simple things, the question I have is quite simple...
In looking at the P30 or P30 Pro...
- Night mode or any effects based photography is of no use to me. I take photos at night to take photos at night, I don't want to see light where there isn't any.
- I'm a photographer and filmmaker and primarily use DSLRs and pro cameras so mobile phone trickery to create on the fly effects are truly pointless to me.
- If I've ever taken a photo with zoom over the last 15 years it's been to read something or see something a far distance away. Again, I'm old fashioned, but without glass, zoom isn't zoom, and 3x..5x.. we're not talking leaps and bounds here.
- I prefer a phone that shoots 24fps, that's the filmmaker in me talking, but again, I'm not doing any of my serious filmmaking projects with a phone so this is more pointless pickiness than necessity.
- I need smooth operations in the UI and OS. I don't like the OneUI look, feel, or immersion into the phone with Samsung's software everywhere, gallery is a nightmare of trendy effects and "story-telling" photo arrangement modes.
- I do like the latitude and just what the raw camera can do on the P30 vs the S20. Normal and manual mode is all I shoot and in those in specs and good samples, the P30 seems to do far better than the S20.
Questions:
1. Would you maybe just find a way to keep the S20?
2. For my needs, I don't really have any use for the far more expensive P30 Pro, do I?
Thanks to anyone who can help me out. Am I missing something? The P30 being better for MY needs given the financial and tech elements is what my research is telling me.