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[Q] Updates available to unlocked HD7's?

I know there's talk of carriers blocking the recent update but my question is not specifically about carriers blocking updates but more so if people using HD7's unlocked to other carriers will get the update at all.
For example I bought my HD7 on Kijiji and it's branded to T-Mobile. I unlocked it and now use it on Wind Mobile here in Toronto (Canada). Wind Mobile does not offer this phone nor do they offer any WP7 devices.
So am I screwed? Or will I still be eligible for any updates?

I've asked this of windows mobile support, they didnt know but are looking into it and will get back to me

Even if it would be like that, I wouldn't worry too much as I'm sure that Devs like Football or Ansar will deliver the latest roms with the update in a near future.

I guess I'm worried because both my g/f and I are using our HD7's unlocked on Wind Mobile and neither of us received our pre-NoDo update yet

Hey Pistol i'm in the exact same situation as you, but from what i'm aware of Tmobile hasnt yet released the update, this was till yesterday. Someone on the tmo forum posted that they had takled to a tmo rep and she wasn't aware of any updates and that none had been issued out as of yet.
http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/HTC-HD7/HD7-update-from-MS/td-p/751241

lynxz3 said:
Hey Pistol i'm in the exact same situation as you, but from what i'm aware of Tmobile hasnt yet released the update, this was till yesterday. Someone on the tmo forum posted that they had takled to a tmo rep and she wasn't aware of any updates and that none had been issued out as of yet.
http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/HTC-HD7/HD7-update-from-MS/td-p/751241
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I hear ya except I'm not on T-Mo.. so I can't see that being my issue. Sure my HD7 is T-Mo branded but they aren't my carrier. So even if they "blocked" it I can't see that affecting me.

With all phones that I have used that were unlocked to a different carrier, they were all able to update over a wifi connection. So i dont think this phone will be any different. As long as the phone is able to go on the internet ether on wifi or data it will be able to update. But like i said this is just coming from my experience with other smartphones

147aaron said:
With all phones that I have used that were unlocked to a different carrier, they were all able to update over a wifi connection. So i dont think this phone will be any different. As long as the phone is able to go on the internet ether on wifi or data it will be able to update. But like i said this is just coming from my experience with other smartphones
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that's if an update was available, my nokia e71 is 3 firmwares behind an unbranded device as the carrier branded fw never got updated so the checker never found an update. Just saying... I'm hoping the same as the rest or I'm gonna be stressed

Well come to find out I just read that all you have to do is hook it up to your computer and start zune and it will update your software on your phone. The page said that I will not happen right away for everyone but soon you will be able 2. if you want to know more just go to this thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913039 there is a link on there to the windows phone blog that explains whats in this update and how to update to it.

frontieruk said:
that's if an update was available, my nokia e71 is 3 firmwares behind an unbranded device as the carrier branded fw never got updated so the checker never found an update. Just saying... I'm hoping the same as the rest or I'm gonna be stressed
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Read what i just posted right after u posted that

147aaron said:
Well come to find out I just read that all you have to do is hook it up to your computer and start zune and it will update your software on your phone. The page said that I will not happen right away for everyone but soon you will be able 2. if you want to know more just go to this thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913039 there is a link on there to the windows phone blog that explains whats in this update and how to update to it.
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Actually the Zune software will only update the phone if the notification has been sent, if the carrier is blocking the update (win serial tied to IMEI / IMEI assigned to carrier / Carrier says these phones don't get update due to testing or we don't want it) notification is never sent.
That's how they can stop the update going to all the Samsungs that haven't been updated, as they know which Windows serials are on those handsets.

My unlocked HD7 only saw the update after hard-wire connection to zune. It certainly was a direct download from microsoft, though as the previous poster noted, there may be a 0/1 flag by IMEI or at least by model as identified/verified in the zune client.
Install was quick and easy at 1100GMT of the 22nd in Taiwan.
Suprisingly, the phone itself made no indication an update was available.
Cheers

i called HTC and they told me that i dont have to worry about the update pushed last week... i will for sure get the march update.. and i have to wait for the march update..
my zune is saying my phone is up to date... i am using a non telco set sold by HTC reseller in singapore..
i hear so many story about the update: some say its for the first batch of devices, some say its a test, windows blog site says few days to few weeks every one will get the update..
i have reset my phone once and reloaded zune twice... and if i will not get my march update i will send my hd7 to HTC and demand 100% refund.. and buy a telco set as unlocked devices are use less in a way..

truffle1234 said:
and if i will not get my march update i will send my hd7 to HTC and demand 100% refund
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Good luck with getting a manufacture to give you a refund off a phone they didn't sell you there buddy.
I went to a meeting with 2 Microsoft reps in my area and they told me that the big update is coming March 7th. However, it will still be based on your carrier when that update will be pushed out to you as they may want to do some testing on their end first. This may delay the update by a few weeks depending on the carrier.

Still no update for me..
unlock HTC HD7 (no tmob branding) bought locally here in the philippines..
=(
well, some of my friends got the update and some are also still waiting.

I listened to the WP7 podcast over the weekend, and the program manager for WP7 said definitely that the update will be available for everyone, and one of their primary goals was to have no forking or fragmentation in WP7.
We'll see. I'm in the same boat, and I have not seen the update yet either.

well i am in the same spot but i am not too interested in this update i am hoping that we will all get the march update in march and not june or july

And still nothing for me either. It's been 8 days since the update released and my g/f's HD7 nor mine has been notified of an update.
I'd hate to think I'm going to have to flash my ROM everytime I want to get the latest updates. I couldn't imagine having to set up my phone from scratch after all the apps I've installed and settings I've adjusted.

aquanaut88 said:
My unlocked HD7 only saw the update after hard-wire connection to zune. It certainly was a direct download from microsoft, though as the previous poster noted, there may be a 0/1 flag by IMEI or at least by model as identified/verified in the zune client.
Install was quick and easy at 1100GMT of the 22nd in Taiwan.
Suprisingly, the phone itself made no indication an update was available.
Cheers
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What software version is your handset running now out of interest?

Updated
I have a HTC HD7 from O2 unlocked and used with Vodafone, just had update
connect to Zune and check for update and there it was. UPDATE AVAILABLE.
Done

[Q] Using HD7 on Vodafone UK Network

Afternoon gents,
I am trading my iPhone 4 for the HD7 but i don't get very good signal with O2, so i was thinking about buying the handset unlocked and then putting a Vodafone contract SIM in it.
But, will this affect phone updates as carriers control WP7 updates?
Thank you.

You will have to wait for O2 to push updates as it will have an O2 ROM on it (O2 splash logo, locked yahoo search etc).
The only way around this is to flash a Euro branded ROM using Goldcard (exactly what I did) or one of the other methods floating around in the dev thread.

What about buying the phone from one of the East Asia compaines?
Found a site which offers the handset for £250 - checked reviews everywhere and all have recieved their items without fault.
One would assume that these devices would not have the O2 ROM?

No problem with Asia Phone
I bought my HD7 from an Asian shop on ebay. No problems whatsoever and I am also on Vodafone. I did use the disconnect trick and am now runing the nodo update with no issues. I also got my 16GB phone a LOT cheaper.
Crack on, it's well worth it!
Edit: Of course it was completely inbranded

gloves085 said:
I bought my HD7 from an Asian shop on ebay. No problems whatsoever and I am also on Vodafone. I did use the disconnect trick and am now runing the nodo update with no issues. I also got my 16GB phone a LOT cheaper.
Crack on, it's well worth it!
Edit: Of course it was completely inbranded
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What's the disconnect trick?
Did Zune tell you that an update was available?

Casdawer said:
Afternoon gents,
I am trading my iPhone 4 for the HD7 but i don't get very good signal with O2, so i was thinking about buying the handset unlocked and then putting a Vodafone contract SIM in it.
But, will this affect phone updates as carriers control WP7 updates?
Thank you.
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You'll be fine i bought my via o2 but same reason due to poor data signal i ported over to vodafone, and it works brilliantly, update is fine, recently HTC push the NoDoUpdate via ZUNE and everything is runing smoothly.

Same here, I've been on Vodafone for years but pre-ordered a PAYG HD7 from O2 then just got it unlocked and has been great since.
Granted I did flash the latest Euro ROM using GOLDCARD so have no problems with updates or anything but all in all very much glad I sold on my iPhone 4 when I did, thankfully found someone nice to buy it and paid what I did as got a Unlocked one straight from Apple when they first came out.

If i bought a HD7 from the O2 shop, how would i go about unlocking it?
Would this also remove the O2 boot logo?
(You'll have to excuse my stupid questions, i do computers not phones )

You could either pay a unlock site to give you a unlock code or if you know a O2 Contract Customer they can fill out the unlock code request form online and request one for free. If you do it that way it may take two or three attempts as some guys email back and say no cos it's a contract phone but then somebody won't check as much and just issue the code, know loads of people done it this way, took 2 attempts to get mine.
As for the branding NO it would not get rid of it, to do that you would need to flash the phone with a different ROM like a HTC Euro ROM using such as the GOLDCARD Method. This will not make any difference to your unlock status so you know so you can't unlock it by flashing another ROM, and you can flash as often as you want and it won't relock the phone, once it's unlocked it's unlocked.

gloves085 said:
I bought my HD7 from an Asian shop on ebay. No problems whatsoever and I am also on Vodafone. I did use the disconnect trick and am now runing the nodo update with no issues. I also got my 16GB phone a LOT cheaper.
Crack on, it's well worth it!
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If you had to do the disconnect trick then it isnt de-branded.
The debranded HD7s got the update on the day of release.
I got my HD7 from O2, unlocked it through O2, and then left and went to 3.
I also did the debranded as said on here, which was nice and easy, and I got the nodo update on the day of release

loomx said:
If you had to do the disconnect trick then it isnt de-branded.
The debranded HD7s got the update on the day of release.
I got my HD7 from O2, unlocked it through O2, and then left and went to 3.
I also did the debranded as said on here, which was nice and easy, and I got the nodo update on the day of release
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I assure it is unbranded and the update was not available on the day of release as reported all over the web. I have since however rolled back the update and received the official update with HTC additions via Zune.

My Nokia 8 can not download update of 2018-03

Hi all:
As title, my Nokia8 can not download update of 2018-03...
I tried these:
1. stop and restart "google play service".
2. reset phone to factory.
But no use... program stop at "start download update."...
Who know how to fix this?

Its not even been offered to EE users in the UK so you are doing better than us lol

MrBelter said:
Its not even been offered to EE users in the UK so you are doing better than us lol
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Just get yourself sim card from different network.
As soon as you'll put another sim, update will appear.

TeddyBeers said:
Just get yourself sim card from different network.
As soon as you'll put another sim, update will appear.
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I shouldn't have to though, sadly i have already knackered a perfectly good Moto G 3rd gen getting a SIM out that was in an adapter and the adapter caught the SIM contacts in the phone and that was that, the phone no longer recognises a SIM card. I cant blame Nokia for it but if they were sending updates to handsets on EE it wouldn't have happened.
Bodging it doesn't fix or explain why EE or Nokia are doing what they are doing.
user1507808215403 on the Nokia community forums tried it and it didn't work for this update.
I use EE and did fine with updates until the consumer release of 8.1. This only came when I popped a 3 SIM in. However this month even that didn't work.
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MrBelter said:
I shouldn't have to though, sadly i have already knackered a perfectly good Moto G 3rd gen getting a SIM out that was in an adapter and the adapter caught the SIM contacts in the phone and that was that, the phone no longer recognises a SIM card. I cant blame Nokia for it but if they were sending updates to handsets on EE it wouldn't have happened.
Bodging it doesn't fix or explain why EE or Nokia are doing what they are doing.
user1507808215403 on the Nokia community forums tried it and it didn't work for this update.
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Yeah, I know.
I've spoken to Nokia support, but couldn't get any info why they doing this.
I've strange feeling that this have something to do with EE WiFi calling or HD voice (or however they calling it). Possibly updates needs their approval.

I even sort of coerced Nokia in to answering me after many ignored tweets and then i asked them what was going on and they just went back to being silent.

Hi
I am with EE and just got the Nokia 8 and current security Is 1 Feb 2018. Tried the other sim trick but still no March update.

Aye the SIM trick didn't work for me either, it seems Nokia soon wised up to that one.
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I've strange feeling that this have something to do with EE WiFi calling or HD voice (or however they calling it). Possibly updates needs their approval.
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Lots of people on Three saying no updates as well so i am guessing it is a regional thing rather than a specific network.

MrBelter said:
Aye the SIM trick didn't work for me either, it seems Nokia soon wised up to that one.
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Lots of people on Three saying no updates as well so i am guessing it is a regional thing rather than a specific network.
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Possibly as I'm using "Play" sim card (Polish network) to get updates in UK.
Update appear immediately once foreigner sim card is inserted.

I've not received the march security update either here in the UK on Tesco Mobile. All the other updates came through almost straight away, but not this one.

TeddyBeers said:
Possibly as I'm using "Play" sim card (Polish network) to get updates in UK.
Update appear immediately once foreigner sim card is inserted.
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Thank you so much! I was stuck on March update on my TA-1033 Nokia 6 (2017). I installed my Latvian (LMT) sim card in Turkey and profit! Updates are coming just fine.

Will I be able to get Pie on my P20 Pro?

Hello everyone,
I really want a P20 Pro. I'm in the U.S. and would be using the factory unlocked Canadian ( CLT-L04 ) version of the phone via AT&T. It's soo much trouble getting this phone in the States. One of the things I'm most concerned about is getting the Android Pie update. It's supposed to start rolling out on the 10th, and I cannot find a concrete answer if I will be able to get it on my device. Contacted Huawei via facebook and asked and this was their response...
" Regarding your concern about updates; please bear in mind that, all of our updates are rolled out in batches according to the IMEI number and geographical region. If you own an unlock device, it will take a little more time to get updates. When the update are released, the carriers are in charge to send the update OTA."
When the update are released, the carriers are in charge to send the update OTA - That part has me concerned. Since I'll be on AT&T and it's not an officially supported device by AT&T, it sounds to me that I won't be able to get the update.
Anybody else in the U.S. that could help provide some insight on this?
Thanks in advance,
Rob

worst case is that you have to update it manually but that is pretty easy but i have no doubt that they will update every p20 pro to pie BUt it also depends on the carrier so getting a unlocked/unbranded device is a big plus for updates.

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worst case is that you have to update it manually but that is pretty easy but i have no doubt that they will update every p20 pro to pie BUt it also depends on the carrier so getting a unlocked/unbranded device is a big plus for updates.
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Thanks so much for the info! So the listing says this... "Only International items are Factory Unlocked without carrier logo and/or region lock." Without carrier logo I'm assuming means unbranded ( excuse my ignorance, I've never purchased a phone I couldn't just pick up in the store ) . So I should be able to get the Pie update without issue?

LonestarROB said:
Thanks so much for the info! So the listing says this... "Only International items are Factory Unlocked without carrier logo and/or region lock." Without carrier logo I'm assuming means unbranded ( excuse my ignorance, I've never purchased a phone I couldn't just pick up in the store ) . So I should be able to get the Pie update without issue?
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Yea seems like it and you can always flash some unbranded firmware tho if needed

Thanks! Sure hope you're right. Just purchased the last one the seller had.

Units sold by carriers in Canada are unlocked and unbranded. Mine is from Koodo/Telus and it's unlocked straight out of the box (it's the law in Canada) and doesn't have any carrier branding or carrier apps.
I think that as long as you are connected to the internet (mobile data or WiFi), you will get the update when a carrier releases it.
Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk

TadMorose said:
Units sold by carriers in Canada are unlocked and unbranded. Mine is from Koodo/Telus and it's unlocked straight out of the box (it's the law in Canada) and doesn't have any carrier branding or carrier apps.
I think that as long as you are connected to the internet (mobile data or WiFi), you will get the update when a carrier releases it.
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That's the concern I have though. I'm not on a carrier ( At&t ) that carries this phone.
Now that I've ordered the phone, I'm having a hard time finding screen protectors and cases for it. Ones I like that is.

I have the same concern. I bought my P20 Pro by an importer, since here in Brazil it is not officially sold. I know the model is from Latin America because it is a CLT-L29 C605. But since I bought it, it just made an update and I'm still with the July update (8.1.0.152) since then.
So I'm in doubt if I'm actually getting the Pie right now on the 10th.
It's unlocked.
I'm loving the device, but it's sad to know that I have a smartphone released this year, last generation and I don't have updates support for it.

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I have the same concern. I bought my P20 Pro by an importer, since here in Brazil it is not officially sold. I know the model is from Latin America because it is a CLT-L29 C605. But since I bought it, it just made an update and I'm still with the July update (8.1.0.152) since then.
So I'm in doubt if I'm actually getting the Pie right now on the 10th.
It's unlocked.
I'm loving the device, but it's sad to know that I have a smartphone released this year, last generation and I don't have updates support for it.
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Well here's to the best of luck to both of us . Mines supposed to arrive tomorrow.

RiTCHiE007 said:
worst case is that you have to update it manually but that is pretty easy but i have no doubt that they will update every p20 pro to pie BUt it also depends on the carrier so getting a unlocked/unbranded device is a big plus for updates.
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Ignorance again as I've never ventured into this territory. Would you mind explaining how, if I don't get the update, to update it manually?

LonestarROB said:
Ignorance again as I've never ventured into this territory. Would you mind explaining how, if I don't get the update, to update it manually?
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Its not that hard so just read this article https://www.androidpit.com/firmware-updates-huawei-honor and i think there is a guide posted in the p20 pro section on this forum also

Thanks man!

LonestarROB said:
That's the concern I have though. I'm not on a carrier ( At&t ) that carries this phone.
Now that I've ordered the phone, I'm having a hard time finding screen protectors and cases for it. Ones I like that is.
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I'm almost 100% sure that once Canadian carriers push the update you'll get it to. Has nothing to do with the carrier your on, updates are IMEI and model related. So if it's say a Telus/Koodo phone, you'll get the update when they push it.
That's been my experience anyways.
Ps. I'm using the same phone on Koodo now.
You should be on firmware .120 correct?

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I'm almost 100% sure that once Canadian carriers push the update you'll get it to. Has nothing to do with the carrier your on, updates are IMEI and model related. So if it's say a Telus/Koodo phone, you'll get the update when they push it.
That's been my experience anyways.
Ps. I'm using the same phone on Koodo now.
You should be on firmware .120 correct?
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I'm not sure. Phone should be delivered today.

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I'm not sure. Phone should be delivered today.
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Check it when you get it.
But you'll be fine for updates.

So receiving the updates to the phone varies by the carrier? The carrier is the one that has to push the updates, like T-Mobile...?

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So receiving the updates to the phone varies by the carrier? The carrier is the one that has to push the updates, like T-Mobile...?
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Carriers push the updates yes. But say I buy a phone outright from Rogers and I use it on Telus...Rogers will push the updates to the phone, not the carrier I use it on. And I think it happens because the IMEI would originally be in the Rogers database.
This has happened to me several times now.

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Carriers push the updates yes. But say I buy a phone outright from Rogers and I use it on Telus...Rogers will push the updates to the phone, not the carrier I use it on. And I think it happens because the IMEI would originally be in the Rogers database.
This has happened to me several times now.
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My phone isnt branded, so I dont know what carrier it is... because I bought it off a tech-store.
And for network, I am from Macedonia and I use VIP-MK sim card, which, as you said VIP wouldnt push the updates because the phone isnt from there, I don't know from where they're getting the phones to their warehouses, haha.
I just got a new update tho, b159, hopefully I will get the newest update after I install this one. ^^

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My phone isnt branded, so I dont know what carrier it is... because I bought it off a tech-store.
And for network, I am from Macedonia and I use VIP-MK sim card, which, as you said VIP wouldnt push the updates because the phone isnt from there, I don't know from where they're getting the phones to their warehouses, haha.
I just got a new update tho, b159, hopefully I will get the newest update after I install this one. ^^
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Possible that if it's unbranded and belongs to no carrier that you'd receive the updates from Huawei servers?

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Possible that if it's unbranded and belongs to no carrier that you'd receive the updates from Huawei servers?
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I dont think so.
Because there are a lot of updates for my phone to firmware finder, which I think they're from Huawei's servers, right?
And since I boight my phone like a month ago, this is my first update. I was kinda stuck at 152 with July's security patches, and a while ago I received 159 with October's security patches. All I want to say by this is that if I'd receive the updates from Huawei, I'd have now the newest security patches, which is 161 version I think.
Who knows...that's just my opinion.

Question CARRIER SAYS PHONE IS LOCKED BUT IT'S STILL USABLE

So I posted earlier about not getting OTA updates. Turns out apparently my phone is locked by Verizon as both they and Samsung have confirmed. What's weird for me however, is that I can still use my phone. I don't get any regional lock errors when I place my new simcard in. It works perfectly actually. Only problem I'm having is with the OTA updates. Does anyone know if it's possible to have your phone locked by a carrier but still be able to use it? If so, is it possible to unlock the phone without going through Verizon's 60 day period of network use? Looking online, all these sites keep talking about sending an unlock code. My phone doesn't request one so don't know what to do.

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So I posted earlier about not getting OTA updates. Turns out apparently my phone is locked by Verizon as both they and Samsung have confirmed. What's weird for me however, is that I can still use my phone. I don't get any regional lock errors when I place my new simcard in. It works perfectly actually. Only problem I'm having is with the OTA updates. Does anyone know if it's possible to have your phone locked by a carrier but still be able to use it? If so, is it possible to unlock the phone without going through Verizon's 60 day period of network use? Looking online, all these sites keep talking about sending an unlock code. My phone doesn't request one so don't know what to do.
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Hi
I'm not an expert on this but I did see this (for S20 but looks a similar situation):
Sim unlocked but OTA updates not
Hello everyone. I just bought what I thought it was an unlocked S20 Ultra over the internet and, nevertheless my sim card form my country works well (Im from México) the OTA updates dont work. The last security update it has is from March 2020...
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Mike

MikeChannon said:
Hi
I'm not an expert on this but I did see this (for S20 but looks a similar situation):
Sim unlocked but OTA updates not
Hello everyone. I just bought what I thought it was an unlocked S20 Ultra over the internet and, nevertheless my sim card form my country works well (Im from México) the OTA updates dont work. The last security update it has is from March 2020...
forum.xda-developers.com
Mike
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Thanks for the reply Sir. I looked into it and yeah that is my exact issue. So I'll just go with the option to flash the latest update. What I wanted to know now is, since I've missed SOOOOOOO many of the previous new software updates, should I just fast forward to the latest or start one at a time?
Mine's also the Verizon model. I can't find the firmware update for SM-G998U but I read somewhere that it's alright to flash the SM-G998U1 Verizon update. Only problem is I'll lose all my data. Do you happen to know anything about that?

aliasajm said:
Thanks for the reply Sir. I looked into it and yeah that is my exact issue. So I'll just go with the option to flash the latest update. What I wanted to know now is, since I've missed SOOOOOOO many of the previous new software updates, should I just fast forward to the latest or start one at a time?
Mine's also the Verizon model. I can't find the firmware update for SM-G998U but I read somewhere that it's alright to flash the SM-G998U1 Verizon update. Only problem is I'll lose all my data. Do you happen to know anything about that?
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Well I don't know but maybe someone in this Galaxy S21 Ultra forum will know.
Mike

Thanks for the help