Did Samsung made improvements to Scheduler and DVFS for Exynos 9810 in Note 9 ? - Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion

Hi,
Wanted to check if anyone got their hands on with an Exynos Note 9 and noticed any performance improvements in terms of efficiency or sustained performance.
Did they made any changes to Exynos 9810 SoC since S9+ was released?
I hope they didn't cripple it with their implementation!
Thanks in advance.

lycan_codex said:
Hi,
Wanted to check if anyone got their hands on with an Exynos Note 9 and noticed any performance improvements in terms of efficiency or sustained performance.
Did they made any changes to Exynos 9810 SoC since S9+ was released?
I hope they didn't cripple it with their implementation!
Thanks in advance.
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Valid question but why are you asking here?
didnt you see the post NOT to ask questions here? Thats why we have a Q&A thread dude
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=77314134
sent from my Exynos S9 plus, Pixel 2 XL or Note FE

I thought this would be a discussion and was hoping anyone would come up with some info and news.

lycan_codex said:
I thought this would be a discussion and was hoping anyone would come up with some info and news.
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Im with you, interesting topic for sure but its posed as a question seemed to me.
Either its a good topic for sure, wish i had answers
sent from my Exynos S9 plus, Pixel 2 XL or Note FE

lycan_codex said:
Hi,
Wanted to check if anyone got their hands on with an Exynos Note 9 and noticed any performance improvements in terms of efficiency or sustained performance.
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It was Anadtech who first thoroughly lab-tested and rooted out the performance/heat management/battery endurance differences bet^n the Exynos 9810 & Snapdragon 845 in the Galaxy S9.
Hence, I contacted Andrei(one who did the testing and wrote that article) and he informed that Anandtech won't be reviewing the Exynos/SD Note 9 for now, but if there's any change in the behaviour of the SoC, it'll be visible in the kernel sources and he will check that without requiring the Note 9.

Andrei is famous in these forums. Thank you for your information. I wanted to email him as well but did it for the rest of us. Lets hope they made some improvements. Else even 4000 mah wont be enough. I have pre-ordered Note 9 exynos version and sold off my s9+ back to the Samsung store guys.

Fresh article - Anandtech's deep dive into Exynos 9810's M3 cores:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13199/hot-chips-2018-samsungs-exynosm3-cpu-architecture-deep-dive/

Update::Sad news) :
Samsung released Kernel source code of Exynos Galaxy Note 9 and Andrei was quick to check it. Sadly, he confirmed that there are no changes.

Virgo_Guy said:
Update::Sad news) :
Samsung released Kernel source code of Exynos Galaxy Note 9 and Andrei was quick to check it. Sadly, he confirmed that there are no changes.
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I havent had the battery issues on my exynos s9 plus that others have but i think for the note 9 im going to give the N9600 snapdragon a try. Samsung knows there is an issue here and have had ample time to correct on the s9 and damn sure on the Note 9 and to do nothing is just pure laziness
sent from my Exynos S9 plus, Pixel 2 XL or Note FE

Can someone explain to me what's so bad about the implementation by Samsung?

Nasty_z said:
Can someone explain to me what's so bad about the implementation by Samsung?
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Better to read the article where its explained in detail but the end result has been terrible battery life for many.
sent from my Exynos S9 plus, Pixel 2 XL or Note FE

force70 said:
I havent had the battery issues on my exynos s9 plus that others have but i think for the note 9 im going to give the N9600 snapdragon a try. Samsung knows there is an issue here and have had ample time to correct on the s9 and damn sure on the Note 9 and to do nothing is just pure laziness
sent from my Exynos S9 plus, Pixel 2 XL or Note FE
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Samsung quietly fix what they can. But at times they're not very good at fixing when they announce and "pretend" to not have an issue officially. Including sheer laziness, what if what they have achieved in the Exynos 9810 is the "optimum one" in the heat-performance-endurance ratio ? When they didn't do it in this S9's I felt they were saving something for the next big thing - Note 9 Exynos.
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Will be happy to know how you would feel getting one snapdragon. I thought of doing the same, but it has network comptibility issues here, so didn't.

This Antutu Stress test prove that Samsung did some "tweaks" for Exynos: more throttle, lower freqs most of time to keep it cooler, less batt drain

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Samsung Ditched Exynos Infinity

Yes, as you can see samsung ditched their exynos processor for snap dragon 801 and it is a super great news.. you all please post your opinions..
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And they ditched Wolfson too.
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And they ditched Wolfson too.
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And that leads to tremendous dissapointment! hah
NoteboyTech said:
And that leads to tremendous dissapointment! hah
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Absent a real home run, they would not get my business again. And that clearly didn't happen.
NoteboyTech said:
Yes, as you can see samsung ditched their exynos processor for snap dragon 801 and it is a super great news.. you all please post your opinions..
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You don't even know if the Exynos Infinity is a processor or not. LOL
dandroid13 said:
You don't even know if the Exynos Infinity is a processor or not. LOL
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I know what exynos infinity is.
I was happy for snapdragon so that LTE is confirmed and we can have more love from the developers...
You know s4 i9500 didnt have lot of love from devs...
Yet a 64 bit octacore exynos infinity would have been ground breaking
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NoteboyTech said:
I know what exynos infinity is.
I was happy for snapdragon so that LTE is confirmed and we can have more love from the developers...
You know s4 i9500 didnt have lot of love from devs...
Yet a 64 bit octacore exynos infinity would have been ground breaking
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Snapdragon is only good if you're looking for AOSP, all major custom ROMs are there for the Exynos S4 like Omega and Wanam. So what is the Exynos Infinity?
Bro, I know that's why I said the developer love! yet see there is no 4g on i9500 and sm-n900 the s4 and note 3 so in the end if you own a superspeedy device you would require a super speedy internet! so for the sake of 4g I am praising the snapdragon! nevertheless you post your opinion! Explain us about exynos infinity"processor"
I read somewhere that they ate thinking of exynos version.
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Exynos infinity was a god damn tagline, not a processor. Stop reading BS sites.
No it didnt ditch exynos 2.1ghz.. bencchmark topper will come
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http://www.engadget.com/2014/02/25/samsung-galaxy-s5-octo-core/
Don't know if it's Exynos Infinity, but Samsung never claimed that Infinity would be coming to the S5. Infinity probably doesn't even have the yields yet to be used.
Well that was fast. Samsung already updated and removed the octo core version.
vbetts said:
http://www.engadget.com/2014/02/25/samsung-galaxy-s5-octo-core/
Don't know if it's Exynos Infinity, but Samsung never claimed that Infinity would be coming to the S5. Infinity probably doesn't even have the yields yet to be used.
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Exynos "infinity" is not the name of a processor(or lineup) again,it may be called something else (GH7 was something leaks were pointing out at,but nothing definite as such)
i9100g user said:
Exynos "infinity" is not the name of a processor(or lineup) again,it may be called something else (GH7 was something leaks were pointing out at,but nothing definite as such)
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So then Infinity was just the name of the event for Exynos?
Not like it matters either way, Exynos yields recently weren't high enough to take to other parts of the world.
NoteboyTech said:
No it didnt ditch exynos 2.1ghz.. bencchmark topper will come
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Exynos 5422 (2.1ghz A15s ,A7s at 1.5ghz?)
What about GPU? 628 or 678 they will need to improve their GPU performance to match the performance of adreno 330 in snapdragon variant (so a higher clocked 628 or 678)
A15 cores running at 2.1GHz yeah it will either melt ur device or it will suck the battery in very fast time , and probably its stuck with the ****ing clusters migration with NO GTS :|
so probably the Snap 801 will be better
and the funny thing Samsung didn't mention anything about GS5 with Exynos ( seems they are ashamed with their processor )

Where are the Note 4 benchmarks?

Are any in depth Galaxy Note 4 benchmarks. We all saw early benchmarks on GSM Arena, but I haven't found any Antutu, Geekbench, or Quadrant scores, to name a few. I know that benchmarks aren't everything, but as a Note 3 owner I'm excited to see performance enhancements brought to us by the Snapdragon 805 with the Adreno 420.
CorruptionDee said:
Are any in depth Galaxy Note 4 benchmarks. We all saw early benchmarks on GSM Arena, but I haven't found any Antutu, Geekbench, or Quadrant scores, to name a few. I know that benchmarks aren't everything, but as a Note 3 owner I'm excited to see performance enhancements brought to us by the Snapdragon 805 with the Adreno 420.
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Better to wait for the actual reviews, as benchmarks and performance can still be tweaked for the final software version.
Knowing Samsung the first firmware might be a bit laggy. I remember worrying about Note 10.1 because in reviews it was slow as hell - first update fixed all that.
That makes sense. The Korean model will be released relatively soon, so I expect some more info. I'm almost certain that the software the showroom floor was fully optimized.
As for the Note 10.1 2014, I still have mine and can confirm that it has gotten better with every update. I'm running Hyperdrive, and it runs as smooth as butter. The benchmarks reflect that as well, with numbers only slightly lower than my Note 3.

Exynos VS SnapDragon - battery war

Greetings friends,
I am about to buy the Note 8. I am from Saudi Arabia, and the Note 8 we have here is Exynos.
But many guys claimed that SnapDragon version is better when it comes to battery
what do you think?
judging from GSArena, the Exynos version wins the battery war.. yet, I need some real-life experiences to cement this.
I am using Lenovo P2, the battery is insane here. But I am missing a lot of a good phone
thanks in advance guys
@haidar7
This is a great question and hopefully some of the details I provide can assist you.
Ultimately, in my opinion, battery life will be determined by your usage patterns and the applications installed.
In regards to metrics, which you are inquiring about, the Snapdragon comes out on top in overall performance:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11540/samsung-galaxy-s8-exynos-versus-snapdragon/6
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note8-review-1659p4.php
Good luck!
Thank u for ur reply sir
Absolutely.
Let me know if you need anything else.

Android Pie Note 9 Snapdragon vs Eynos?

We have reached that time where the price of the Note 9 has dropped enough that it has become a really attractive option for those of us looking for a feature packed flagship phone at well below the $1000 mark.
I have decided that I am going to buy the Note 9, it's just a case of deciding which variant. I live in Southern Africa where we don't have support for Samsung Pay and we are not ready for the latest LTE technologies, so as long as I have working LTE, I am not concerned too much about these features.
With that said, it's still desireable to me to have the fastest option I can get within my budget because I want a fast and fluid user experience.
Apparently the Android Pie update has improved the performance of the Eynos variants of the Note 9 by a considerable amount.
So my question is, as it stands today, how does the Snapdragon variant compare to the Exynos variant in terms of performance?
Aside from performance and rooting, what other considerations or differences are there when deciding between the Hong Kong N9600 and the global N960FD variants? (Are there any major drawbacks or issues to consider when selecting one variant over the other? Build quality, storage performance/ Inferior components in one model vs the other etc..) (I read that snapdragon has touch latency. How bad is it and are there any other issues on either variant)
One unfortunate consideration is that my favorite color, the Metallic Copper, is unfortunately not available in N9600 variant. I have seen that the new white color is available in N9600 but I actually prefer the Note 9 in darker colors.
Note. I have confirmed that both variants support the bands for local mobile operators
Please help me decide!!!
how does the Snapdragon variant compare to the Exynos variant in terms of performance? This question has been answered countless times, just search "note 9 exynos vs snapdragon" on YouTube and you'll find loads of content. The difference is pretty small, I'm pretty sure you'd find it hard to notice any difference in real life.
Fastest - Probably N9600
Build quality - The same
storage performance - The same
Inferior components in one model vs the other - As far as we know, there should be no differences other than the SOC.
I searched for "touch latency" in the N9 Q&A area and this thread was the only thing that appeared, so I'd say that's probably not much of an issue.
The only difference worth mentioning other than performance and rooting as you mentioned, is game emulation, basically the Exynos isn't really supported.
willhemmens said:
how does the Snapdragon variant compare to the Exynos variant in terms of performance? This question has been answered countless times, just search "note 9 exynos vs snapdragon" on YouTube and you'll find loads of content. The difference is pretty small, I'm pretty sure you'd find it hard to notice any difference in real life.
Fastest - Probably N9600
Build quality - The same
storage performance - The same
Inferior components in one model vs the other - As far as we know, there should be no differences other than the SOC.
I searched for "touch latency" in the N9 Q&A area and this thread was the only thing that appeared, so I'd say that's probably not much of an issue.
The only difference worth mentioning other than performance and rooting as you mentioned, is game emulation, basically the Exynos isn't really supported.
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I have searched for the difference on YouTube and google but the results are related to tests that were done before the Android Pie upgrade, as mentioned in my post above. There are some comments on those YouTube videos and on the Anandtech website where people are claiming that the performance of the Exynos variant has improved significantly, however there don't seem to be any official tests to confirm this. With so many members in this forum having both variants, I am hoping that we can get some answers here.
In the Anandtech tests, the Snapdragon variant was quite considerably faster in nearly every test. Certainly nowhere near evenly matched.
So, how close is the performance of the Exynos variant now after the Pie update with One UI?
Thanks for the feedback on the other questions.
So all you really need is someone to test an Exynos device on Oreo and Pie and see if the results differ. I'm happy to do that for you a bit later, name me the benchmarks you'd like to see and I'll see what I can do.
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So all you really need is someone to test an Exynos device on Oreo and Pie and see if the results differ. I'm happy to do that for you a bit later, name me the benchmarks you'd like to see and I'll see what I can do.
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If you don't mind (Since this will be quite a time consuming process), yes please, I think it would be really interesting to compare the Pie (On One UI) results with those in the Anandtech tests.
I'm not sure if I am allowed to post the link but you can Google the Note 9 Snapdragon vs Exynos test by Anandtech.
They used the following benchmarks:
PCMark 2.0
3DMark
GFXBench
Speedometer 2.0 (Runs in your Browser. Google it)
WeXPRT 3 (Runs in your browser. Google it)
Sounds good to me, I'll be flashing the Oreo and Pie versions of Devbase as it's as stable as it gets.
for what its worth here are some geekbench results done on a korean n960n exynos ( its not a 9600 or 960f as stated in recent discussions but i can vouch for the build quality, have not seen one screen or other defect issue reported from an other n960n user. cant say the same for 960f or 960u...forums are full of them)
https://browser.geekbench.com/user/Bober101
january results are on Pie.
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for what its worth here are some geekbench results done on a korean n960n exynos ( its not a 9600 or 960f as stated in recent discussions but i can vouch for the build quality, have not seen one screen or other defect issue reported from an other n960n user. cant say the same for 960f or 960u...forums are full of them)
https://browser.geekbench.com/user/Bober101
january results are on Pie.
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Out of interest, where was the n960n manufactured? It seems like the n960n is considerably less popular on XDA (a quick search in the Q&A area shows a total of about 5 threads referencing the device, out of the ~770 total threads), which is probably why we see less issues reported.
I know that 960f is for Australia and Europe.
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I've just finished testing Oreo vs Pie. Unlike Anandtech, I'm not using obfuscated applications IDs to avoid benchmark detection, I'm just installing direct from the Play store, so I don't know if that will have any effect on the scores. I'm also letting the device cool between tests and running on battery power (In the 50 - 70% range) as that seems like the best way to keep things consistent.
Here are the Oreo results: https://photos.app.goo.gl/JrA2XdaB8zcTZbNV9
And the Pie results: https://photos.app.goo.gl/HDGmEENdVsPLkdCJ7
It does indeed seem like some improvements have been made, I don't know where the improvements come from, whether it's the newer version of Android or tweaks Samsung have made. It'd be interesting if an owner of a Snapdragon device could do similar tests.
willhemmens said:
I've just finished testing Oreo vs Pie. Unlike Anandtech, I'm not using obfuscated applications IDs to avoid benchmark detection, I'm just installing direct from the Play store, so I don't know if that will have any effect on the scores. I'm also letting the device cool between tests and running on battery power (In the 50 - 70% range) as that seems like the best way to keep things consistent.
Here are the Oreo results: https://photos.app.goo.gl/JrA2XdaB8zcTZbNV9
And the Pie results: https://photos.app.goo.gl/HDGmEENdVsPLkdCJ7
It does indeed seem like some improvements have been made, I don't know where the improvements come from, whether it's the newer version of Android or tweaks Samsung have made. It'd be interesting if an owner of a Snapdragon device could do similar tests.
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Those are some interesting results across the board. It is clear that Samsung has done a fair amount of optimization although the SD845 is still faster in most of the benchmarks according to Anandtech results.
Thank you so much for the detailed time and effort that you have put into running the benchmark tests and uploading the results.
I think you just may have convinced me to go for the Exynos variant in the color that I want, knowing that the performance has improved to within reach of the SD845. :good:
I wasn't really trying to convince you one way or another but to be honest, I'd say the colour of the device is possibly more important, you're looking at the device every time you use it but the performance difference between the two SOC's in real life is pretty negligible.
Exynos version has a stock call recording feature. Snapdragon not. This thing it a most important for me.
willhemmens said:
Out of interest, where was the n960n manufactured? It seems like the n960n is considerably less popular on XDA (a quick search in the Q&A area shows a total of about 5 threads referencing the device, out of the ~770 total threads), which is probably why we see less issues reported.
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korea!
yeah i know but of those threads, i would of thought that at lest once would an issue come up. i also had a note 8, same deal, n950n pristine device. no one ever complained. but again as you point out, might be simple probability
one thing to consider, if the devices were not targeted to as a big population as the F's or U's( no pun intended lol ) then quality control might have been better because they simply produced less and... Maybe they produce nicer phones for themselves...lol you don't chit where you eat as they say.
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for what its worth, i had started a thread about note 9 issues:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/how-to/note-9-country-origin-vs-defects-t3841388
I wouldn't bother with any of that. Get a note 9 from whomever offers the best warranty would be my first choice of criteria.
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So i have now the note 4 ...i know old runner
But it's amazing phone
And of course i need to upgrade
There's a deal for note 9 for about 660$
But the problem it is exynos version
I can't make a decision
I wanted the snapdragons version it's not available any where i live
And there is no option expect the (one plus 6t) and it is near the same price
I think every advantage go to Samsung
The display the camera The mic the vibration motor
Just the processor is the advantage to the OnePlus and the 2gig of ram
But again it's exynos and i read allot of thing about the performance and the battery drain withe allot of benchmark and test
I play games ((pubg)) especially
Can you advice me ..?
How is the phone after pie update?
And did you play games...how was the performance ?
I consider my self heavy user
I don't know what to do i think my head is melting ....these a big thing to me i don't change my phone offen
And Samsung was good with me in the note serice
But the SOC is very frustrated
Thanks and sorry for my English
ahmedwhy said:
So i have now the note 4 ...i know old runner
But it's amazing phone
And of course i need to upgrade
There's a deal for note 9 for about 660$
But the problem it is exynos version
I can't make a decision
I wanted the snapdragons version it's not available any where i live
And there is no option expect the (one plus 6t) and it is near the same price
I think every advantage go to Samsung
The display the camera The mic the vibration motor
Just the processor is the advantage to the OnePlus and the 2gig of ram
But again it's exynos and i read allot of thing about the performance and the battery drain withe allot of benchmark and test
I play games ((pubg)) especially
Can you advice me ..?
How is the phone after pie update?
And did you play games...how was the performance ?
I consider my self heavy user
I don't know what to do i think my head is melting ....these a big thing to me i don't change my phone offen
And Samsung was good with me in the note serice
But the SOC is very frustrated
Thanks and sorry for my English
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If your budget allows you to spend more, you can get a Note 9 with a Snapdragon processor from eBay (imported from Hong Kong) for around U$700 - 800 including shipping. If you are fixed at $660 then there really isn't anything to consider, just go for the option (Eynos Note 9) that you have available to you now.
I think its clear from the results posted earlier in this thread that the performance of the Exynos variants has improved with Android Pie and isn't trailing too far behind the Snapdragon variants anymore. Battery life has also improved a lot since the launch of the S9 series with the same SoC.
As stated in earlier posts, the real-world performance difference is very small. The Eynos 9810 is still very much a flagship SoC and is more than capable of delivering top performance in the games that are currently available on Android. Coming from a Note 4, your new Exynos based Note will feel buttery smooth while delivering plenty of value in other areas as well. (Battery life, screen quality, features like new Bluetooth S-pen and wireless charging, camera image quality etc..)
As a side note, the Exynos variants seem to be getting updated to Android Pie with One UI already, while the Snapdragon variants are still waiting.
Byte_76 said:
If your budget allows you to spend more, you can get a Note 9 with a Snapdragon processor from eBay (imported from Hong Kong) for around U$700 - 800 including shipping. If you are fixed at $660 then there really isn't anything to consider, just go for the option (Eynos Note 9) that you have available to you now.
I think its clear from the results posted earlier in this thread that the performance of the Exynos variants has improved with Android Pie and isn't trailing too far behind the Snapdragon variants anymore. Battery life has also improved a lot since the launch of the S9 series with the same SoC.
As stated in earlier posts, the real-world performance difference is very small. The Eynos 9810 is still very much a flagship SoC and is more than capable of delivering top performance in the games that are currently available on Android. Coming from a Note 4, your new Exynos based Note will feel buttery smooth while delivering plenty of value in other areas as well. (Battery life, screen quality, features like new Bluetooth S-pen and wireless charging, camera image quality etc..)
As a side note, the Exynos variants seem to be getting updated to Android Pie with One UI already, while the Snapdragon variants are still waiting.
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Thank you very much for answering
I think you convince me to go with note 9
I can't order from eBay it's out of my budget
I think the performance gab between the two has decreased now after pie update
And i care allot for developer community in the long way
That's what makes my note 4 useable until now
One thing i can't keep out of my head
There's a phone half the price of mine with faster SOC and better game play (pocophone)
But as a package
I will go with note 9 exynos and try to forget :victory:
Good move! Your going to like the EXynos...
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Good move! Your going to like the EXynos...
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General Samsung Exynos 2200 is here - ALL you NEED to KNOW!

Hi guys,
It`s here. It is happening. The leaksters were wrong! Samsung unveiled officially the Exynos 2200 and it is full of surprises and promises.
Big promises were made by Samsung and I really like it! I will make sure to check all of that once I get my hands on the S22 Ultra.
One of he most exciting topics is the new AMD RDNA v2 coming with the brad new Samsung Xclipse 920 GPU! So no more Adreno, no more Mali, let`s see what Xclipse can do! Also new ISP supporting up to 200 mpx and zero shutter lag up to 108 mpx (insane), new NPU unit (2x smart as S21 series), new display supporting up to 144 Hz, of course HRD10+ and with over 1700 brightness nits... It all sounds too good to be true!
Check this video and learn ALL you KNEED to KNOW for the Samsung Exynos 2200.
It seems not very good
First Exynos 2200 benchmarks emerge
We'd advise against reading too much into those at this point though. Samsung just unveiled its Exynos 2200 flagship SoC for 2022 and MySmartPrice has the...
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It seems not very good
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Honestly speaking it depends - I for one would prefer a good compromise between performance and battery life to plain High-Score-grabbing....
But admittedly it's a bit early to judge

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