Hi. I probably would have bought the Mi Mix but decided on the Huawei Mate 9 because it has more LTE bands that work in US (e.g. although the Mix has band 4 it is missing band 12 that would improve LTE service for tmobile) and there were enough complaints about the Mix's camera to scare me away. Indeed the Mate 9 is a good device overall but I do like the bigger screen on the Mi Mix and there appears to have been a little more development on the Mi MIx. Probably cause the Mix uses the Snapdragon chip while Hauwei has its home grown Kerin. Anyways, to cut to the quick. Has there been any interesting information released about the Mi Mix 2 as I may consider it when released (in the fall?). In particular will the camera be significantly improved and will it improve its LTE capacity among other things. Thanks!
The Mix has been a much better device for me than the Mate 9 was when I had it. The Mate 9 felt like more of the same old design idea just slightly bigger. Camera focused device that ran reasonably well, the Mix has everything but camera focused design and so fits me better. There's really no comparing the screens or screen realestate ... in addition the difference between Emui [more or less a clone of Miui] are striking not the least of which theme control and various other personal controls.
Bands wise band 12 is more of a support band not a main one, my device has worked on LTE the whole time I've had it [anywhere T-Mobile had LTE for the Mate 9]. No idea on the Mix 2 but i am not seeing a compelling reason to buy it over the Mix itself when it does come out.
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Hi. I probably would have bought the Mi Mix but decided on the Huawei Mate 9 because it has more LTE bands that work in US (e.g. although the Mix has band 4 it is missing band 12 that would improve LTE service for tmobile) and there were enough complaints about the Mix's camera to scare me away. Indeed the Mate 9 is a good device overall but I do like the bigger screen on the Mi Mix and there appears to have been a little more development on the Mi MIx. Probably cause the Mix uses the Snapdragon chip while Hauwei has its home grown Kerin. Anyways, to cut to the quick. Has there been any interesting information released about the Mi Mix 2 as I may consider it when released (in the fall?). In particular will the camera be significantly improved and will it improve its LTE capacity among other things. Thanks!
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The mix does not have a bigger screen than mate 9 due to their screen ratio. The mate 9 have a considerable larger screen area with a better camera.
If you're in for custom rom, etc go for xiaomi but if you're someone that doesn't tinker with roms and just need a good daily driver with good camera then a Huawei mate 9 is good for that.
Nicolfa said:
The Mix has been a much better device for me than the Mate 9 was when I had it. The Mate 9 felt like more of the same old design idea just slightly bigger. Camera focused device that ran reasonably well, the Mix has everything but camera focused design and so fits me better. There's really no comparing the screens or screen realestate ... in addition the difference between Emui [more or less a clone of Miui] are striking not the least of which theme control and various other personal controls.
Bands wise band 12 is more of a support band not a main one, my device has worked on LTE the whole time I've had it [anywhere T-Mobile had LTE for the Mate 9]. No idea on the Mix 2 but i am not seeing a compelling reason to buy it over the Mix itself when it does come out.
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Appreciate your thoughts here. I think Band 12 can be helpful for inside building reception. Many people at my job complain cause their indoor reception is poor while mine is quite good. It always comes down to the person has a different carrier that does not support Band 12. Also camera is very important to me. Unfortunately I did not have a Mi Mix to test for myself so I basically had to go by reviews which more or less said that Mix's camera was it's weak point. I may still get a Mi Mix as the price is down to about $600. Just seeing how things play out. The other phone I might get in the fall is the Note 8.
Leechoonhwee said:
The mix does not have a bigger screen than mate 9 due to their screen ratio. The mate 9 have a considerable larger screen area with a better camera.
If you're in for custom rom, etc go for xiaomi but if you're someone that doesn't tinker with roms and just need a good daily driver with good camera then a Huawei mate 9 is good for that.
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Hi. I do not understand how you conclude that the Mate 9 has a bigger screen. The Mate 9 screen ratio is 16:9 and the Mi Mix is 17:9. The diagonal is 5.9" on Mate 9 and 6.4" on Mi Mix. Assuming I did the math right, that implies that the Mate 9 area in square inches is about 14.9 and the Mi Mix is about 16.9. Please check the width and height of the Mi Mix screen. My estimate is that it is about 2.99 inches wide and about 5.656 inches high. Could someone confirm? Thanks!
EDIT: The only news/rumours I've heard is that the Mix Mix 2 will have a 18:9 screen ratio, the sound is improved using new piezoelectric based technology, and Snapdragon 835 (not surprising)...
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Hi. I do not understand how you conclude that the Mate 9 has a bigger screen. The Mate 9 screen ratio is 16:9 and the Mi Mix is 17.9. The diagonal is 5.9" on Mate 9 and 6.4" on Mi Mix. Assuming I did the math right that implies that the Mate 9 area in square inches is about 14.9 and the Mi Mix is about 16.9. Please check the width and height of the Mi Mix screen. My estimate is that it about 2.99 inches wide and about 5.656 inches high. Could someone confirm? Thanks!
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I measured the screen and came up with about 2.28 x 4.2.
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I measured the screen and came up with about 2.28 x 4.2.
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Thanks for your input but I think you have made a mistake in your measurement or you are measuring the wrong phone. According to the Pythagorean theorem a width of 2.28 and height of 4.2 (all in inches) would give you a diagonal of less than 4.8 inches! The specs for this phone say the diagonal should be 6.4 inches...
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Thanks for your input but I think you have made a mistake in your measurement or you are measuring the wrong phone. According to the Pythagorean theorem a width of 2.28 and height of 4.2 (all in inches) would give you a diagonal of less than 4.8 inches! The specs for this phone say the diagonal should be 6.4 inches...
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OMG I think i really have a bad measuring tape it was about 5.68 x 2.95
I think you are right about the total area!
16:9 ratio using a2+b2+c2
16 x 16 + 9 x 9 = 337
√337 = 18.36
5.9inch = 149.86mm (Mate 9 diagonal screen size)
149.86/18.36 = 8.16
16 x 8.16 = 130.56
9 x 8.16 = 73.44
Total area = 130.56 x 73.44 = 9588.33mm2 or 95.88cm2
17:9 ratio using a2+b2+c2
17 x 17 + 9 x 9 = 370=c2
√370 = 19.23
6.4inch = 162.56mm (Mi Mix diagonal screen size)
162.56/19.23 = 8.45
17 x 8.45 = 143.65
9 x 8.45 = 76.05
Total area = 143.65 x 76.05 = 10924.58mm2 or 109.25cm2
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OMG I think i really have a bad measuring tape it was about 5.68 x 2.95
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lol. Thanks, that seems about right. It's a little wider than my Mate 9 but a bit taller (Mate 9 is a little less than 5.25 inches). Looks like the Mi Mix is about the same width as my Note Edge. I hope when Xiaomi makes the Mi Mix 2, with presumably the 18:9 ratio, they do not sacrifice the width. I really like the wider screen when reading.
EDIT: Just saw your additional calculations. They pretty much match mine given round off error. Good job!
On band 12, I get the same level of reception as the Samsung Edge 7 my wife has in the same places, not sure how much band 12 actually helps in most areas :0
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On band 12, I get the same level of reception as the Samsung Edge 7 my wife has in the same places, not sure how much band 12 actually helps in most areas :0
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Interesting. (I'm assuming your are on Tmobile). As I understand it, tmobile has bands 2, 4, and 12 for LTE (maybe HSPA+ and others). So you could both be using 2 or 4 which the Mi Mix has.. Certainly the Samsung Edge 7 should work fine with all of tmobile's LTE bands (or indeed at&t). Band 12 was introduced to our area a couple of years ago. When they turned it on I could get data in my building. I couldn't before. In fact, several years back, the windows were replaced in all our buildings. The windows were supposed to be energy efficient and blocked some radiation out to reduce energy costs. As it turned out, for many folks, they also blocked out phone signals as well including mine. But once Tmobile turned on band 12 (700mhz) I could get data again.
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Interesting. (I'm assuming your are on Tmobile). As I understand it, tmobile has bands 2, 4, and 12 for LTE (maybe HSPA+ and others). So you could both be using 2 or 4 which the Mi Mix has.. Certainly the Samsung Edge 7 should work fine with all of tmobile's LTE bands (or indeed at&t). Band 12 was introduced to our area a couple of years ago. When they turned it on I could get data in my building. I couldn't before. In fact, several years back, the windows were replaced in all our buildings. The windows were supposed to be energy efficient and blocked some radiation out to reduce energy costs. As it turned out, for many folks, they also blocked out phone signals as well including mine. But once Tmobile turned on band 12 (700mhz) I could get data again.
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I'm using my Mi Mix in the UK with EE Network, always top signal 5/5. Wi-fi amazingly fast, 4g coverage also great.
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I'm using my Mi Mix in the UK with EE Network, always top signal 5/5. Wi-fi amazingly fast, 4g coverage also great.
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Sounds great! I'm pretty sure using the phone in the greater Washington area would be fine. Just a little concerned about its use indoors at my job. My employer provides wifi at work but I'm a little wary of using it.
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Sounds great! I'm pretty sure using the phone in the greater Washington area would be fine. Just a little concerned about its use indoors at my job. My employer provides wifi at work but I'm a little wary of using it.
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Hmmm, if other colleagues are having good reception then so should you. Compared to my previous LG V10, the Mi Mix has much better reception, far better then expected...
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Hmmm, if other colleagues are having good reception then so should you. Compared to my previous LG V10, the Mi Mix has much better reception, far better then expected...
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Well, I don't think it is quite that simple as it depends on carrier's band. I just looked up EE's LTE bands and you are probably using Band 3 at 1800MHz and/or Band 38 at 2600MHz. Neither are used in US.. LTE on Tmobile is bands 2, 4 and 12 (the primary bands are 4 and 12) and AT&T is 2, 4, 5, 17 (17 is the primary LTE band) so you are probably in good shape with Tmobile and maybe ok with AT&T although not sure. Bands 12 and 13 are at 700MHz and, as I understand, do best in buildings. Neither of them are on the Mi Mix but, fortunately, bands 2 and 4 are. So I think I will be ok and am looking into buying Mi Mix if price is right.
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Interesting. (I'm assuming your are on Tmobile). As I understand it, tmobile has bands 2, 4, and 12 for LTE (maybe HSPA+ and others). So you could both be using 2 or 4 which the Mi Mix has.. Certainly the Samsung Edge 7 should work fine with all of tmobile's LTE bands (or indeed at&t). Band 12 was introduced to our area a couple of years ago. When they turned it on I could get data in my building. I couldn't before. In fact, several years back, the windows were replaced in all our buildings. The windows were supposed to be energy efficient and blocked some radiation out to reduce energy costs. As it turned out, for many folks, they also blocked out phone signals as well including mine. But once Tmobile turned on band 12 (700mhz) I could get data again.
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Yeah band 12 is an assist band, better building /object penetration aspects. In our case the buildings we work in kill just about all band penetration in the center of the structure and some more hardened areas of the building. This includes almost all carriers. With that said out side those kinds of areas I haven't found band 12 to be the deal breaker for non US model phones. Been using T-Mobile for close on 10 years now, and it works perfectly with the Mix.
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Well, I don't think it is quite that simple as it depends on carrier's band. I just looked up EE's LTE bands and you are probably using Band 3 at 1800MHz and/or Band 38 at 2600MHz. Neither are used in US.. LTE on Tmobile is bands 2, 4 and 12 (the primary bands are 4 and 12) and AT&T is 2, 4, 5, 17 (17 is the primary LTE band) so you are probably in good shape with Tmobile and maybe ok with AT&T although not sure. Bands 12 and 13 are at 700MHz and, as I understand, do best in buildings. Neither of them are on the Mi Mix but, fortunately, bands 2 and 4 are. So I think I will be ok and am looking into buying Mi Mix if price is right.
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You were right bro. EE use Band 3-1800MHz & Band 7-2600MHz. Excellent coverage for me both indoors and out.
When will Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 be released?
Why are you guys so eager with Mix 2??? First one's awesome and just a few months old, come on...
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Why are you guys so eager with Mix 2??? First one's awesome and just a few months old, come on...
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I'm not really interested in the Mi Mix 2. And even if I purchase one, it'll be after 4-6 months after release for price drop.
Only just had my Mi Mix for 3 days. Got upto 7 hours Screen On Time so far. Not bad since it was only charged twice. After several more charges, I'll aim for 8-10 hours.
Once the Mi Mix 2 is released it'll be just barely better, perhaps not even worth upgrading to.
It'll have the Snapdragon 835, slightly better camera and 2% or so even better screen to body ratio. Very minor differences.
There are rumours it may have an AMOLED screen. Should this be the case then I'm not interested.
In the past I've had Samsung phones with Amoled and really hated it. At extreme angles the colours are washed out, that ugly yellow and blue tint and the whites are yellowish not to mention I've had dead pixels in almost every phone having Amoled.
Yeah, it would really be a ****er if they go for Amoled...
Hello all, there is this game i play; bus simulator Indonesia. Many of my friends play this game, all of them has high end device with powerful snapdragon chips, 6 months ago one of my friend bought poco f3 that has sd870 5G clock rate 3.20ghz. I was using a oneplus 7tpro McLaren 855+ at 2.98ghz which served me well, but than comes the poco f3. Which was insanely fast. In this game loading next map is a big deal, newer chipset and faster clock rate translates to faster loading, i was happy with my 7tpro, at times i saw it had beat rog 5 in terms of loading speed. So 3 months ago i got the oneplus 10pro 8 gen 1, but still i couldn’t beat the loading speed of poco f3, i did some research and i found out It's due to the clock speed. 10pro has a clock rate of 3.0ghz. So i wasn’t happy with the performance from 10pro, because it Couldn't beat the poco f3 which was 3x cheaper than 10pro. So 10 days ago i got the oneplus 10t, that has 8gen+1 clock rate 3.19ghz 16gb edition and here comes the shocker, my 10t still falls short when compared to the loading speed of poco f3, i Couldn't believe what was happening. How is the poco f3 still so much faster than 10t?? I Don't know what to do now, i was kind of embarrassed because i told everyone my 10t would be faster than the poco f3, now i am thinking about unlocking bootloader and overclocking my 10t. Any ideas on this matter is highly appreciated. Thankyou.
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Hello all, there is this game i play; bus simulator Indonesia. Many of my friends play this game, all of them has high end device with powerful snapdragon chips, 6 months ago one of my friend bought poco f3 that has sd870 5G clock rate 3.20ghz. I was using a oneplus 7tpro McLaren 855+ at 2.98ghz which served me well, but than comes the poco f3. Which was insanely fast. In this game loading next map is a big deal, newer chipset and faster clock rate translates to faster loading, i was happy with my 7tpro, at times i saw it had beat rog 5 in terms of loading speed. So 3 months ago i got the oneplus 10pro 8 gen 1, but still i couldn’t beat the loading speed of poco f3, i did some research and i found out It's due to the clock speed. 10pro has a clock rate of 3.0ghz. So i wasn’t happy with the performance from 10pro, because it Couldn't beat the poco f3 which was 3x cheaper than 10pro. So 10 days ago i got the oneplus 10t, that has 8gen+1 clock rate 3.19ghz 16gb edition and here comes the shocker, my 10t still falls short when compared to the loading speed of poco f3, i Couldn't believe what was happening. How is the poco f3 still so much faster than 10t?? I Don't know what to do now, i was kind of embarrassed because i told everyone my 10t would be faster than the poco f3, now i am thinking about unlocking bootloader and overclocking my 10t. Any ideas on this matter is highly appreciated. Thankyou.
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Have you turned on high performance mode in battery advanced settings?
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Have you turned on high performance mode in battery advanced settings?
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Yes, it's always on and it's useless, there's no difference to be honest.
It's nothing to do with clock speeds.. unless it's an identical processor.
Chances are the Poco has a lower screen resolution, if you're running your phone in QHD mode then you're pushing a tonne more pixels than any of the Poco devices.
Lower your resolution to FHD+ then retry.
Another thing to note is that not all processors are made equally, some just perform better than others and this unfortunately is a lottery, you simply don't know what you're going to get.
What firmware are you running? If it's Android 13 then it'll probably run better but will overheat quicker and as such will result in throttling.
If you're rooted then grab Franco kernel manager and tweak your clock speeds for the GPU and CPU or even the governor.
If you're not rooted then you'll have expanded RAM turned on, this will result in slower performance in regards to gaming performance as the DDR RAM used is faster than the storage swap file.
Lastly, the load time of the game has nothing to do with how well it plays, the FPS dictates the performance of a CPU/GPU.
You can get games/apps to load quicker by tweaking a setting to make apps load faster, check settings for this.
One more thing is what is your Poco friend running? If it's a custom ROM then they may already be pushing their device beyond its stock capabilities.
The 8 gen 1 should definitely be quicker than any of the Poco devices.
Download AetherX2 and grab a PS2 game like Tekken Tag (must own original) then see how your phone performs compare to the Poco, it should make it look weak as hell.
Its All About Optimization.
You can overclock or just disable thermal throattling to gain more performance..
I'm coming from Poco f3 overclocked..
There is alot of differences btw these two devices..
You have to do Optimizations to gain high level performance.
1. Root Op10 Pro
2. Install Thermal throattling Magisk module
Or
After Rooting Install Uperf Module and select Performance Governor..
Op 10 Pro Is Far ahead of Poco F3
Edit: I'm Stuck while Over-Clocking Op10pro Because of Vbmeta Verity.. If i'm able to get it work then it'll be +37% Performance then Stock 8gen1
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Its All About Optimization.
You can overclock or just disable thermal throattling to gain more performance..
I'm coming from Poco f3 overclocked..
There is alot of differences btw these two devices..
You have to do Optimizations to gain high level performance.
1. Root Op10 Pro
2. Install Thermal throattling Magisk module
Or
After Rooting Install Uperf Module and select Performance Governor..
Op 10 Pro Is Far ahead of Poco F3
Edit: I'm Stuck while Over-Clocking Op10pro Because of Vbmeta Verity.. If i'm able to get it work then it'll be +37% Performance then Stock 8gen1
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You honestly don't need to overclock the 8 gen 1. The hardest thing you can throw at it is AetherX2, beyond that there isn't anything much it can't do
Godsavetheking said:
Hello all, there is this game i play; bus simulator Indonesia. Many of my friends play this game, all of them has high end device with powerful snapdragon chips, 6 months ago one of my friend bought poco f3 that has sd870 5G clock rate 3.20ghz. I was using a oneplus 7tpro McLaren 855+ at 2.98ghz which served me well, but than comes the poco f3. Which was insanely fast. In this game loading next map is a big deal, newer chipset and faster clock rate translates to faster loading, i was happy with my 7tpro, at times i saw it had beat rog 5 in terms of loading speed. So 3 months ago i got the oneplus 10pro 8 gen 1, but still i couldn’t beat the loading speed of poco f3, i did some research and i found out It's due to the clock speed. 10pro has a clock rate of 3.0ghz. So i wasn’t happy with the performance from 10pro, because it Couldn't beat the poco f3 which was 3x cheaper than 10pro. So 10 days ago i got the oneplus 10t, that has 8gen+1 clock rate 3.19ghz 16gb edition and here comes the shocker, my 10t still falls short when compared to the loading speed of poco f3, i Couldn't believe what was happening. How is the poco f3 still so much faster than 10t?? I Don't know what to do now, i was kind of embarrassed because i told everyone my 10t would be faster than the poco f3, now i am thinking about unlocking bootloader and overclocking my 10t. Any ideas on this matter is highly appreciated. Thankyou.
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I've experienced the same as you, because previously I've owned and Asus Rog Phone 5 with SD888, but when I've get the OP10 Pro, I've immediately noticed that OP10Pro feels the same or even worse , talking about app speed opening and overall performance, so for my luck another Asus Rog phone 5 come to my hands, it was only the 8gb/128gb version, however i've tested side by side and figure out that the ASUS was effectively faster than the OP10pro, and even made an Antutu and Geekbench 5 test on both and i cant believe, that the Asus got a better score on both synthetic benchmarks.
Then I've made a deal with the Rog phone 5 , so I've got and Xiaomi Mi11 T pro with SD 888 and same result, plus the Xioami feels more fluid and responsive.
Even i've thought it can be related to the Android 13 open beta 2 I was, downgrade to A12 to test, and worst results.
Very disappointed with Oneplus, I'm actually selling the phone to bought and Asus Rog phone 5s, saving almost 200 bucks.