It seems quite a few people in this 6T group also own the Pixel 3 or 3XL. Other than the lower price of the 6T and the better camera of the Pixel. Which one do you all think is the better phone all around and why?
The reason I ask is that BestBuy will be offering $200 off the Pixel 3/3 XL during Black Friday which would put the Pixel price in line (close enough) with the 6T. With that being said, which phone would you buy for around the same price?
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It seems quite a few people in this 6T group also own the Pixel 3 or 3XL. Other than the lower price of the 6T and the better camera of the Pixel. Which one do you all think is the better phone all around and why?
The reason I ask is that BestBuy will be offering $200 off the Pixel 3/3 XL during Black Friday which would put the Pixel price in line (close enough) with the 6T. With that being said, which phone would you buy for around the same price?
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I own both and it's a tough toss up. Each one of them have their strengths and weaknesses. Right now the Pixel 3 XL has a horrible RAM management problem (hopefully Google will fix that with an update) and the OnePlus 6T has 8 gigs of RAM.
The camera on the Pixel 3 XL is just so much better than the OnePlus 6T, not that the OnePlus camera is bad. When I know I'm going to be taking a lot of pictures I'm taking my Pixel 3 XL with me.
The notch on the Pixel 3 XL basically goes away with Nacho Notch while the notch on the OnePlus 6T is actually ok.
Performance on both of them is basically the same. The haptic feedback on the Pixel 3XL is one of the best on any smartphone.
I guess if I could only buy one it would probably be the Pixel 3XL, and I'm saying that as I'm using my OnePlus as my daily.
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I own both and it's a tough toss up. Each one of them have their strengths and weaknesses. Right now the Pixel 3 XL has a horrible RAM management problem (hopefully Google will fix that with an update) and the OnePlus 6T has 8 gigs of RAM.
The camera on the Pixel 3 XL is just so much better than the OnePlus 6T, not that the OnePlus camera is bad. When I know I'm going to be taking a lot of pictures I'm taking my Pixel 3 XL with me.
The notch on the Pixel 3 XL basically goes away with Nacho Notch while the notch on the OnePlus 6T is actually ok.
Performance on both of them is basically the same. The haptic feedback on the Pixel 3XL is one of the best on any smartphone.
I guess if I could only buy one it would probably be the Pixel 3XL, and I'm saying that as I'm using my OnePlus as my daily.
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What about battery life between the two, that is worrying me about the 3 or 3XL. The 6T seems to have respectable battery life, while the Pixel seems to struggle in that category.
Also, you stated performance on both of them is basically the same. That is another worry for me in regard to the Pixel, as it seems the 6T blows out the Pixel in raw numbers when the review sites do tests, does that translate to day-to-day usage?
Do you find the 4GB in the Pixel lags behind the 8GB in the 6T?
Are you using both phones on the same carrier? If so, how is the reception/signal strength between the two?
If you would pick the Pixel as you wrote, then why are you using your OnePlus as your daily?
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I own both and it's a tough toss up. Each one of them have their strengths and weaknesses. Right now the Pixel 3 XL has a horrible RAM management problem (hopefully Google will fix that with an update) and the OnePlus 6T has 8 gigs of RAM.
Agreed and don't think 4gb will be an issue for normal users. I do believe OP will always hold more in memory.
The camera on the Pixel 3 XL is just so much better than the OnePlus 6T, not that the OnePlus camera is bad. When I know I'm going to be taking a lot of pictures I'm taking my Pixel 3 XL with me.
Again agree it's a world of difference but having a ported camera from Pixel helps and for me solves the issue.
The notch on the Pixel 3 XL basically goes away with Nacho Notch while the notch on the OnePlus 6T is actually ok.
I don't hate the notch on the pixel unless I watch full screen YouTube or something. 6t is not intrusive ever for me. That said I prefer the notch there then having Nacho.
Performance on both of them is basically the same. The haptic feedback on the Pixel 3XL is one of the best on any smartphone.
Disagree slightly overall because of the memory issue the pixel feels and acts faster when switching apps etc. I had to trlurn off adaptive battery so that pixel runs smooth at all otherwise it would refresh screen all the time. Haptic feedback is really nice in pixel.
I guess if I could only buy one it would probably be the Pixel 3XL, and I'm saying that as I'm using my OnePlus as my daily.
I returned the pixel and kept OP.
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Battery on OP WAY better then xl too. Screen better on pixel...feel and build I prefer the pixel too. Not that there is anything wrong with OP just the pixel is nice. I hate not having wireless charging and proprietary charging but the charging is soooo fast. Day to day speed is or will be the same on both imo once Google fixes ram issue. Whatever frustrations I have with OP5t that made me go to pixel 2 xl are now gone on the 6t and the software changes op made are very nice that and their guesture makes it feel like true full screen phone just looks like next gen.
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What about battery life between the two, that is worrying me about the 3 or 3XL. The 6T seems to have respectable battery life, while the Pixel seems to struggle in that category.
Also, you stated performance on both of them is basically the same. That is another worry for me in regard to the Pixel, as it seems the 6T blows out the Pixel in raw numbers when the review sites do tests, does that translate to day-to-day usage?
Do you find the 4GB in the Pixel lags behind the 8GB in the 6T?
I have Verizon, which carrier do you have? If Verizon, how is the reception/signal strength between the two?
If you would pick the Pixel as you wrote, then why are you using your OnePlus as your daily?
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I get all day battery life on both phones, I would have to say the OnePlus is a little bit better on battery life but I've never had to look for a plug while using my Pixel.
The reason why review sites are showing that the OnePlus numbers are beating the Pixel is because Google underclocked the Snapdragon 845, a custom kernel will fix that. It really does not translate in day-to-day use. The Pixel is as smooth of a phone as you are going to find.
I personally don't think the 4 gigs of RAM are going to make that much of a difference once Google fixes the RAM management problem.
T-Mobile here.
I said if I could only buy one. I will switch between phones weekly because I get bored. I used my Pixel for about 2 weeks and now I'm using my OnePlus.
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Battery on OP WAY better then xl too. Screen better on pixel...feel and build I prefer the pixel too. Not that there is anything wrong with OP just the pixel is nice. I hate not having wireless charging and proprietary charging but the charging is soooo fast. Day to day speed is or will be the same on both imo once Google fixes ram issue.
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I get all day battery life on both phones, I would have to say the OnePlus is a little bit better on battery life but I've never had to look for a plug while using my Pixel.
The reason why review sites are showing that the OnePlus numbers are beating the Pixel is because Google underclocked the Snapdragon 845, a custom kernel will fix that. It really does not translate in day-to-day use. The Pixel is as smooth of a phone as you are going to find.
I personally don't think the 4 gigs of RAM are going to make that much of a difference once Google fixes the RAM management problem.
T-Mobile here.
I said if I could only buy one. I will switch between phones weekly because I get bored. I used my Pixel for about 2 weeks and now I'm using my OnePlus.
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Do you use both on T-Mobile? Can you let me know how the signal strength/reception is on both phones?
The two big cons...
You get used to the notch they say, and I did. What I didn't get used to was the incredible waste of space to either side of it. They could have stacked two full rows of notifications in there and it would fit, not sort of fit, fit. As it is that space is wasted and I kept seeing that and in turn that would make me "see" or notice the notch. I'd seriously fire whoever made the choices on the notification area because it doesn't end there. unlike here and elsewhere if you decide to hide the notch it pushes the notifications down into the screen below the notch giving you a huge empty forehead and the screen that remains is actually less than the 5T, seriously, I had them side by side and actual usable screen is less with the notch hidden. Go back visible notch and you get to see all that wasted space again, for me there was no win. Also if you watch a video the 6T notch is like a pimple on your own nose and soon forgotten, do it on the Pixel and it's a huge pimple on your bosses nose that you have to actively try and pretend isn't there. Will you be the same? Some say yes, some say no, for me it was a definite no.
Then you have the ram management or lack of ram, I'm not going to argue over which it is and don't care. Going into recents pretty much meant waiting for the app to reopen which is so 2014; it's another thing that drove me crazy. I already knew I was running in the upper 5s of used ram with my 5T so while I do expect it would have got better both with a Goog fix and in the roms I'm pretty sure it will never be as good as it is here, which is to say flawless. Apps pretty much just pop open every time, not sure if I can recall a single app redraw so far.
Then you've got the recents/app drawer cludge which combines with the worst gestures I've ever encountered. I'm sure you've seen it in videos so I'm not going to try and paint a picture, I will say it's worse in use than it appears in a review. This one is easily fixed by installing a third party launcher and then getting rid of Googs idiotic gestures for one of the options off the market. To sum it up, the whole purpose of nav gestures is to get rid of the nav bar which gives you useable space on screen. Think about it, no gesture can ever really be easier than hitting an icon, the best they can do is equal that ease so failing to give you the screen space means you made someones life harder and gave them nothing. Total fail. Someone should be fired fail. If I were in charge of the person who sigined off on this nav/recents/gesture cludge I would fire him. No notice, excorted out of the building right now firing. The escort would be two thugs who hit his head on every hard point between his office and the curb where he was tossed. They're that bad.
So now you're thinking I hated the phone, not true, lets get into the pros...
The screen is beautiful everywhere it isn't being wasted or cut into by a cancerous tumer. I had mine up against a 6T in the store and there is no question where the better screen quality lies, it's all Pixel in that department. Wasn't just me saying that, all the store guys where over because the store was empty and they hadn't seen a Pixel in the flesh. All of us were in agreement.
You've also got the sofware experience. it's all slick and refined in a way that is unmatched in the Android ecosystem. The dialer with it's screening, spam block, and so on, the music id on the lock, etc. The phone may seem feature poor but in use it is a very pleasant device to own.
The camera is top tier. I think Goog is running out of picture refinement in software though because you can see areas like telephoto where phones with dedicated glass are getting better results now. They have added some useful features on the other hand, for example being able to pick a different picture besides the one you clicked actually works. Those who have kids will recall how getting a good photo can be a trail, they're in focus but you missed the moment, you caught the moment but it couldn't quite focus on a target that was moving fast, etc. I was able to get a few pictures of my grandkids that would have been junk but were salvaged by the feature. What I like about the camera is something it shares with the latest from Samsung and Apple, you can just point it at something and have a good expectation of a decent shot. I'm not talking art, I'm saying you got what was there and it's in focus with reasonably accurate color. It's a camera you can use without skills and a camera you can trust.
All in all I really liked the Pixel in use but the hardware is behind the curve and no matter how shiny you make it the hardware turd still lies below the polish. I went into a Tmo store to scope the 6T and when I went home I immediately called Fi and returned the phone and ordered a 6T as soon as I got done with that call. If I had my choice I'd get a 6T that had the Goog rom on it and with the higher quality screen from the Pixel but I didn't, I had to choose one before I ran out of the return window. I really couldn't get past that notch or more particularly the wasted space beside it. Seeing it next to the 6T and 5T really put it into perspective for me, what an utter fail when a year old mid range phone has more useable space than a brand new 1000 dollar flagship. I'll be a potential customer for the Pixel 4 assuming they get their hardware up to snuff with other flagships, the software experience was IMO best in class.
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Do you use both on T-Mobile? Can you let me know how the signal strength/reception is on both phones?
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Yes T-Mobile on both, I have two lines with them. First screenshot is the OnePlus, second is the Pixel.
The Pixel was faster on two but not by much.
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Yes T-Mobile on both, I have two lines with them. First screenshot is the OnePlus, second is the Pixel.
The Pixel was faster on two but not by much.
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Sorry, I should of been more clear in my question. I was referring to the actual signal strength for phone calls, etc. Do you notice if one phone or the other holds signals stronger than the other? Do you notice one phone may not have a signal while the other phone still has a signal?
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Sorry, I should of been more clear in my question. I was referring to the actual signal strength for phone calls, etc. Do you notice if one phone or the other holds signals stronger than the other? Do you notice one phone may not have a signal while the other phone still has a signal?
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that will be a little tougher to answer because I don't take both phones with me normally but I will carry them both for the next couple of days just to look that stuff over.
I haven't had an issue on either one with signal.
Hard to say, but the fact that I have double the Ram, a bigger battery, arguably better notch design, 4x the storage for about $300 less (depends on tax rate where you live.)
Pixel 3 XL has dual speakers, but they don't sound good at all. Wireless charging is a plus, but not a deal breaker. Higher resolution screen, but it isn't a huge difference (and I care about that a lot.) Active edges is pointless when you have OK Google and holding the home button does the same thing. Camera is AMAZING (but where tf is 60fps???), even at night without Night Shot, but the wide angle setup on the front reminds me of the LG V20 Wide angle back lens, very fishy. Battery lasts all day so that's cool, but no chance of 2 day battery life without being strict on usage. Stock and prioritized software updates are awesome, but OxygenOS is always going to have the same, if not more feature (Always on display is helpful maybe 70% of my experiences.) Again, the speaker setup is such a disappointment.
OnePlus 6T has a single speaker setup, but it sounds clearer and possibly even louder. But it is downward firing rather than forward. Hard to say if the camera is better because I haven't been about to directly compare it, but low light images are amazing, even without the night mode on. Telephoto would have been nice, but neither phone has it. The OnePlus 6T can do 4k60fps and 1080p60fps video, while the Pixel 3 XL can only do 1080p60fps, BUT YOU CAN'T SET IT TO PERMANENTLY FILM 60FPS (look it up, it's sad). Front camera works, but the Pixel 3 XL's focuses, so the Pixel 3 XL can capture more quality, regardless of the MP count. Battery is larger and should get better battery life, and so far has proven to be the case. The chin on the bottom is almost non existent, and you rarely notice it when using the phone. Fingerprint scanner under the screen is perfect for checking your phone on the desk, but isn't as accurate as the Pixel 3 XL (though the speed is pretty much the same when it is working, which for me is ~75% of the time.) Design is all opinion based, but the OP6T seems to be easier to hold in the hands and less slippery, also seems lighter, even though it is almost the same weight. Again, the notch is nicer looking on here when compared to the Pixel 3 XL.
Clearly the winner for the money is the OnePlus 6T, but the Pixel 3 XL holds up if you don't care about the price. If the OnePlus 6T has dual speakers I would say it's the winner regardless of price.
Pixel 3 XL for the CAMERA, SCREEN, WIRELESS CHARGING
OnePlus 6T for the STORAGE/MEMORY, SOFTWARE, DESIGN, FINGERPRINT SCANNER, BATTERY, 60FPS RECORDING (lol)
Something else, which is why I returned my pixel3xl - the microphone quality is aweful. Look on youtube for vids, but it's the same ****ty quality as the pixel2. Combined with a notch the size of kentucky, no facial unlock, meh battery life, disastrous memory management, and camera that saves photos only sometimes, it is a very Beta device and in my opinion worse than the 6t even at the same price. Using the Gcam on the 6t gives me nearly same photo quality so this is a tossup.
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Something else, which is why I returned my pixel3xl - the microphone quality is aweful. Look on youtube for vids, but it's the same ****ty quality as the pixel2. Combined with a notch the size of kentucky, no facial unlock, meh battery life, disastrous memory management, and camera that saves photos only sometimes, it is a very Beta device and in my opinion worse than the 6t even at the same price. Using the Gcam on the 6t gives me nearly same photo quality so this is a tossup.
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But gcam on 6T is not up to Pixel 3 level yet, we can only hope it will reach there
I'm actually thinking of picking up the 3xl myself I was going to sell my iPhone X which I finally upgraded from that abomination of a "phone" to the 6T and just have it laying around. Then was going to choose which I wanted to keep the 3xl or 6T or both. I personally think the camera is pretty bad. I mean it catches details but the focus is horrendous. The other day I was trying to take a video of the monitor to show the specs etc of a computer I was selling, this damn thing wouldn't focus for it's life just kept refocusing every couple of seconds, same thing with close up photos. It's also very much laggy, especially in video compared to my iPhone X. Largely noticeable in snap chat, you can't quickly move the phone otherwise it'll be all blur. Not sure if this is something everyone is experiencing or just my device. This is where the 3xl come in, amazing camera, pure Google, notch? As iPhone X owner I couldn't care less, build quality (6T feels premium-ishh). But from what you guys are saying apparently it's awful phone so now I'm confused as if I should or shouldn't get it.
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I'm actually thinking of picking up the 3xl myself I was going to sell my iPhone X which I finally upgraded from that abomination of a "phone" to the 6T and just have it laying around. Then was going to choose which I wanted to keep the 3xl or 6T or both. I personally think the camera is pretty bad. I mean it catches details but the focus is horrendous. The other day I was trying to take a video of the monitor to show the specs etc of a computer I was selling, this damn thing wouldn't focus for it's life just kept refocusing every couple of seconds, same thing with close up photos. It's also very much laggy, especially in video compared to my iPhone X. Largely noticeable in snap chat, you can't quickly move the phone otherwise it'll be all blur. Not sure if this is something everyone is experiencing or just my device. This is where the 3xl come in, amazing camera, pure Google, notch? As iPhone X owner I couldn't care less, build quality (6T feels premium-ishh). But from what you guys are saying apparently it's awful phone so now I'm confused as if I should or shouldn't get it.
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Pixel 3 XL is not awful by any means.. if you are not bothered about notch, you will be fine... I was in same dilemma whether to get 3 XL or 6T and got 6T.. I will be returning 6T and getting 3 XL... Sole reason is that I am not getting notifications from certain apps on 6T even after disabling all possible settings...but man this OP 6T is amazing in every other aspect.. I can live with 6T with gcam but missing notifications for my critical apps is a no-go for me
Pixel 3 XL is way better. Screen, Speakers, Camera, Update. You cant compare both phone. Easy if you dont care about money go for Pixel and if you do go for oneplus. Google software is well optimized. Battery consumtion is less. The idle drain is less. Pixel 3 XL is the overall packaged. I dont know but i cant see myself using oneplus as my daily driver. Number on the paper is not important.
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Yes T-Mobile on both, I have two lines with them. First screenshot is the OnePlus, second is the Pixel.
The Pixel was faster on two but not by much.
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Wow how crappy LTE do you have in the US? See screenshot.
Norway - OnePlus 6T
olejonbj said:
Wow how crappy LTE do you have in the US? See screenshot.
Norway - OnePlus 6T
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Yeah I don't get real high speeds at my house. I live like 2 minutes from the beach. When I go further inland I'm usually up above 100 Mbps.
But yeah I don't think I've ever seen the speed you posted.
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Pixel 3 XL is way better. Screen, Speakers, Camera, Update. You cant compare both phone. Easy if you dont care about money go for Pixel and if you do go for oneplus. Google software is well optimized. Battery consumtion is less. The idle drain is less. Pixel 3 XL is the overall packaged. I dont know but i cant see myself using oneplus as my daily driver. Number on the paper is not important.
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That notch though.. I had everything going for Pixel 3 XL.. but not sure if I can tolerate that notch.. am using OnePlus 6T now and it definitely feels so futuristic...
keaheng said:
Pixel 3 XL is way better. Screen, Speakers, Camera, Update. You cant compare both phone. Easy if you dont care about money go for Pixel and if you do go for oneplus. Google software is well optimized. Battery consumtion is less. The idle drain is less. Pixel 3 XL is the overall packaged. I dont know but i cant see myself using oneplus as my daily driver. Number on the paper is not important.
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I personally like oxygen OS better. It's stock with the perfect tweaks to it. And the ram management is far better. My pixels would close my messaging app when that was the ONLY app in my background. So damn annoying.
Performance and battery life is most essential to me. 6t takes both
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Hi Ya'll,
I am upset about p4 XL it just additional cam not even ultra wide lens, better screen and few more software modifications. Thats why i am hesitate to update my phone..
I think it is a big failure they just copy htc features
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Hi Ya'll,
I am upset about p4 XL it just additional cam not even ultra wide lens, better screen and few more software modifications. Thats why i am hesitate to update my phone..
I think it is a big failure they just copy htc features
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...-3a-2-comparison-upgrade-features-specs-price
This is a good article comparing what you gain and what lose. Personally, I don't see year to year upgrades being worth it anymore. The Pixel 3 XL wasn't worth it from my Pixel 2 XL but the Pixel 4 XL is.
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zurhuho said:
Hi Ya'll,
I am upset about p4 XL it just additional cam not even ultra wide lens, better screen and few more software modifications. Thats why i am hesitate to update my phone..
I think it is a big failure they just copy htc features
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If you already think it's a big failure why are you asking if you should upgrade? Everybody is copying everybody at this point so get out of here with that. I for one am upgrading my 3xl.
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If you already think it's a big failure why are you asking if you should upgrade? Everybody is copying everybody at this point so get out of here with that. I for one am upgrading my 3xl.
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It looks like you never done criticism in your life. I assumed somebody knows better than me that's wjy I asked this question.
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It looks like you never done criticism in your life. I assumed somebody knows better than me that's wjy I asked this question.
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I do get criticism, but if I already think something is a big failure....I have nothing to hesitate about, or ask if I should get it based on what internet people say. My decision is already made. Just me I guess.
"big failure"
*sigh*
Really.
To you it seems to be a "big failure", but somehow that leaves you on the fence on whether or not to buy it. Unreal.
I traded my 3XL for a Note 10 a month ago and miss my pixel (HATE HATE HATE the inaccurate under display fingerprint scanner) so I preordered a white 4XL. I like to have the latest phone as well. Money was not a factor so why not? Plus, the Note 10 photos are really noticeably less quality. Most of my photos are indoors and the Note is just not as good. If you have owned a pixel for any length of time then you know what I'm talking about ...it just takes great photos with little effort.
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also, reviews are just "Opinions". What is great for one is not for another. For example, I don't care if my phone does not even offer 4k video since I have yet to shoot one video in 4k much less 4k 60fps. I don't care if all I get is 128GB since that is all I would buy even if 1TB is offered. I don't care if it just has 6GB RAM since most phones with 8GB or 12GB don't show any noticeable improvement in speed and I don't need to keep 20 apps open at one time. NOW, I am very disappointed they did not include an ultra-wide camera instead of zoom or both. That was my biggest disappointment but not a deal breaker since my wife's phone has an ultra-wide if I need it. Battery reviews are over the top as well...I am near a desk at some point in almost every day and my 3XL rarely ran out before my day end so I know the 4XL will be fine. Take reviews with a grain of salt. So many bad ones on the 3XL with screen, glitches and such...i never had one issue with my 3XL. Best phone I've had to date.
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"big failure"
*sigh*
Really.
To you it seems to be a "big failure", but somehow that leaves you on the fence on whether or not to buy it. Unreal.
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Maybe I am wrong thats why I am asking our community's opinion.
Last 3 years I used so far
Iphone 7plus,s9plus,huaweip30pro,sony xz premium, blackberry , and I always compare with xz premium it was a great phone . I switched with Pixel 3xl because of sofware and camera. Now I would like to buy 4xl i just dont see value to have it.. thats why i am looking for answer
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I traded my 3XL for a Note 10 a month ago and miss my pixel (HATE HATE HATE the inaccurate under display fingerprint scanner) so I preordered a white 4XL. I like to have the latest phone as well. Money was not a factor so why not? Plus, the Note 10 photos are really noticeably less quality. Most of my photos are indoors and the Note is just not as good. If you have owned a pixel for any length of time then you know what I'm talking about ...it just takes great photos with little effort.
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also, reviews are just "Opinions". What is great for one is not for another. For example, I don't care if my phone does not even offer 4k video since I have yet to shoot one video in 4k much less 4k 60fps. I don't care if all I get is 128GB since that is all I would buy even if 1TB is offered. I don't care if it just has 6GB RAM since most phones with 8GB or 12GB don't show any noticeable improvement in speed and I don't need to keep 20 apps open at one time. NOW, I am very disappointed they did not include an ultra-wide camera instead of zoom or both. That was my biggest disappointment but not a deal breaker since my wife's phone has an ultra-wide if I need it. Battery reviews are over the top as well...I am near a desk at some point in almost every day and my 3XL rarely ran out before my day end so I know the 4XL will be fine. Take reviews with a grain of salt. So many bad ones on the 3XL with screen, glitches and such...i never had one issue with my 3XL. Best phone I've had to date.
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Thank you for detailed explanation. i will check tmobile if they offer any sort of update i will change it
I just upgraded from the P3XL to the 4XL. We switched carriers to T-Mobile so it only cost me $100 plus tax for the new phone. At that point it's a no-brainer. I wouldn't have switched otherwise.
I went from the Pixel 3 XL to the 4 XL, and it seems like what I heard about people upgrading from the iPhone X ( 2017 ) to the iPhone XS ( 2018 ), I'm no iPhone guy, but I heard the X to XS upgrade was a sidegrade, really not a huge deal. But at least on the 4 XL, we got rid of the notch, and the build quality and design is actually much higher, and built in Assistant feels instant. But yes, the 3XL to 4 XL is not a big upgrade at the end of the day.
Now the iPhone 11 Pro from the XS, that saw 2 major upgrades, being the cameras are massively better on the 11 Pro than the XS, and battery life is significantly better than the XS, and the display got better too. Other than that, it's the same exact design, and still the same stale iOS. But those two upgrades are very important ones.
So will the Pixel 5 will have a 4,500mAh battery, and the best camera for of 2020.
But I do like the 4 XL more than the 3 XL
I ditched my 3XL fairly quickly; I hated the notch. It wasn't just the notch, it was the wasted space on either side. They could have double stacked notifications in there but instead put them right in the middle. What would happen was is I would get to where I had kind of put the notch out of my mind and then I would notice the wasted space with the notifications. Then I would notice the notch. Or vice versa, I would notice the notch and then see how much space was going to waste on either side. One or the other would catch my eye and whichever one did would immediately force me to notice the other and I couldn't get out of the cycle.
As to the question at hand, if you've got money you wont notice missing now or ever, who cares, buy it now. If you need to pay attention to what you spend wait until at least Black Friday before you buy in.
Simple decision because of this ugly notch [emoji1787]
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Couldn't upgrade fast enough to get rid of the big notch that they could of capitalized on more properly.
Every forum or YouTube videos I watch, all I see is people hating on this phone. I am actually pretty surprised, but how much negativity there is for the Pixel 4 line.
Android police poll, is heavily in the "hell no not buying" as #1
Two big tech forums I belong too, it's like 70% saying no way.
What's the deal?
I have a 64GB Clearly White 4XL on order. I go back to owning, the Nexus-One, Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 4, Motorola Nexus 6, Nexus 6P, Pixel 2 XL, and Pixel 3 XL. And yes I agree, the Pixel 4 XL could have been better, for the price at least do better than OnePlus, give us 8GB RAM, a larger battery of at least 4,000mAh, a brighter display for outdoor use, go easy n the large forehead bezel, like have the thickness if possible. But saying that, I buy the Nexus Pixel line for the software and monthly security updates.
I am interested in seeing the full blown real reviews this week.
For a few reasons:
1. Not priced like a Nexus / 3a
2. No fingerprint sensor
3. Lack of Ultrawide 3rd camera
4. Small battery
5. Removal of Ultrawide front facing camera
6. Removal of front facing speakers
7. Big top bezel for Soli
8. Soli gimmick
9. Removal of unlimited original photo upload
10. No big leap in camera hardware
11. No surprises since it was leaked all over the place
12. Only 6 GB of RAM (finally)
13. Only Snapdragon 855 instead of 855+ processor
Having said all that, I still have one on preorder.
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For a few reasons:
1. Not priced like a Nexus / 3a
2. No fingerprint sensor
3. Lack of Ultrawide 3rd camera
4. Small battery
5. Removal of Ultrawide front facing camera
6. Removal of front facing speakers
7. Big top bezel for Soli
8. Soli gimmick
9. Removal of unlimited original photo upload
10. No big leap in camera hardware
11. No surprises since it was leaked all over the place
12. Only 6 GB of RAM (finally)
13. Only Snapdragon 855 instead of 855+ processor
Having said all that, I still have one on preorder.
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3,9, and 12 are the disappointment for me. But that price thooooo, they could have gotten more attention if only they priced it right.
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Kusanagi Fire said:
For a few reasons:
1. Not priced like a Nexus / 3a
2. No fingerprint sensor
3. Lack of Ultrawide 3rd camera
4. Small battery
5. Removal of Ultrawide front facing camera
6. Removal of front facing speakers
7. Big top bezel for Soli
8. Soli gimmick
9. Removal of unlimited original photo upload
10. No big leap in camera hardware
11. No surprises since it was leaked all over the place
12. Only 6 GB of RAM (finally)
13. Only Snapdragon 855 instead of 855+ processor
Having said all that, I still have one on preorder.
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4 may be an issue for me but everyone's usage is different so I'll wait to see my personal results before I make a final judgement.
6 is a big one for me. Before the 4XL was officially announced, I was aiming to switch from my OnePlus 7 Pro so I could get front facing speakers. I always end up blocking the bottom speaker when watching stuff in landscape mode.
10 could be a reason for me but not too much since I know it's going to be better than my current OnePlus 7 Pro.
12 is similar to my point for reason 4 (wait until I can test myself). Users say Android 10 is RAM hungry so hopefully that 6 GB is enough.
13, Even though it's a slight upgrade, it would have been nice to get the + variant of the processor.
All other reasons I don't mind too much.
But yeah I do think the phone is getting a bit too much hate.
Honestly, just the fact that last year's Pixel 3 got discounted on Black Friday combined with the fact that the 4 isn't a massive leap in hardware / doesn't check some of the minimal requirements like 8 GB RAM, 855+, and Ultrawide camera (granted, there's not much more ground to cover these days) is reason enough for this phone to get tons of hate.
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Today Flossy admitted that he's been using the 3XL all along. He complained about that one much the way he will complain about this one in the full review. He'll says it's too expensive and many other things. Despite that he'll probably end up making it his work phone just as he did the previous Pixels. I wrote about this elsewhere but a search on Youtube will probably be able to find the dude from Unbox Therapy doing a pertinent video. He was in a suite in Vegas with a bunch of other young millionaires, Brownlee for example. The whole video was what is everyone carrying in their pocket, what was the phone they chose to use. The Pixel tied the iphone with few other phones mixed in. Brownlee had both. It wasn't because they were reviewing it, that was well past review time. It was the phone that millionaires who have tried everything and can afford anything decided they wanted in their pockets. There's a message there.
I do get it, the phone is too expensive for the specs, only a mother could love the looks, it's missing feature X and Y. But I'm sure that I'll enjoy using it in the day to day more than any other phone I could buy. It's always been that way. I couldn't make friends with the 3XL, the notch just killed it for me so I got a 6T. Nothing wrong with that phone but the next thing I knew I was picking up a 3AXL, should have been a downgrade, it was by the numbers. Wasn't long before I realized I wasn't going to use the 6T anymore and gave it to one of my grand kids. I've been using the 3A since.
Let the haters hate and enjoy your purchase. Flossy begin his quick look with talk of giving it a fair trial before he hung it, 5 minutes later he was giggling like a schoolgirl. The Pixel does that...
I agree with most here, the Pixel 4 XL could and should have been better;
- 8GB RAM
- 4,300mAh battery ( like the Note 10+ )
- Brighter display on par with the Galaxy S10 line
- Reduce the forehead bezel, to like half the size if possible, or actually do the Note 10 hole punch, and forget the faceID stuff, and keep the fingerprint scanner.
But it's funny, recent phones that I kept the longest last few years has been the Nexus or Pixel. Yeah I'd get bored with them, then I pick up the latest Samsung Galaxy whatever, and within in a few weeks already regret not having the Pixel. One time I went for the iPhone 7 Plus, when it was the hot new phone, and I was bored with my Nexus 6P, wow what a bad decision, not even a month later ran back to the Nexus, mainly because iOS is a Fischer Price kids OS, and totally blows, feels like a decade old operating system. Or I got the Note 5 at launch, was so happy to have that badass phone, but then I tried to turn it into a Nexus, deleting all the Samsung stuff, and downloading every Google app and setting defaults, and tried to make the Note 5 a Nexus Note LOL, where the phone I traded in for the Note 5 was the Motorola Nexus 6, and that thing was just so smooth, so cool, I regretted getting the Note
Point, the Nexus or Pixel phones, may be ugly, and not have the wham bam cool features, but using it day in day out, I just find them most comfortable and a joy. They are simple, they are minimalist, but they just work, and have a special thing about them.
Unfortunately, Google will never win because nothing is ever good enough for people and they will always complain about something.
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Unfortunately, Google will never win because nothing is ever good enough for people and they will always complain about something.
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This!
6GB RAM - My 3xl has 4 and I have ZERO problems running whatever. People need to learn that it's not necessarily about big specs, it's more about optimization. The 4's will run very smoothly with 6. Just because the S10 has 8, and the note has an option of 12 doesn't mean that does anything to speed up the phone.
128GB storage - This option is the same price as the s10 with that same storage. Maybe Google should add a third option with 256? Would that make some of you happy? It would be even more expensive though. But, again, same price as the s10.
Battery - My 3xl has a smaller battery and I get no less than 20+ hours with heavy use. Typically, I'll get 24+ hours on it. With the 90 Hz display being an as needed, I doubt the battery will last less than my 3xl.
Ultrawide camera - I DO have to agree here that it should have that. I know Google's camera's are amazing and this one will definitely be as good as the iPhone or Sammy's, but the ultrawide addition to camera shots would have been nice.
Removal of free original size photo backups - Sooo, Apple NOR Samsung, NOR any other OEM that I'm aware of ever offered this. I'm a system engineer and cloud architect. I'm here to tell you that the amount of storage and bandwidth required for unlimited originals for millions of users is INSANE. You have any idea how much this costs Google? There was no way that would ever last. It's $1.99 and $2.99 per month for the extra storage to keep original backups, plus you get other benefits. Also, grab Google Surveys app and you'll make more than the cost here by far every month. Get over it.
The front facing speakers - Definitely not happy about this. They could have fit the bottom speaker I bet. At least there's still stereo.
Anyway, anyone who wants to hate, please save us all from it and go elsewhere. This phone will be amazing and I'd put it up against ANY other smartphone. It'll be smoother and has release day updates and OS's.
Every year there are people trolling the new pixel (even the Samsung S7 edge though) threads for a couple months after release. It's incredibly stupid. If you don't like the phone, why are you here?
I haven't had time to watch the all reviews yet, but is the 4 XL battery life at least on par with the 3 XL's, or please don't tell me it's actually worse?
My Pixel 3 XL battery life is mediocre, not great, not horrible, I would like better, but certainly not worse, but could makedo with the same battery life. If the 4 XL has worse and less battery life than the Pixel 3 XL, then I need to cancel my preorder.
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I haven't had time to watch the all reviews yet, but is the 4 XL battery life at least on par with the 3 XL's, or please don't tell me it's actually worse?
My Pixel 3 XL battery life is mediocre, not great, not horrible, I would like better, but certainly not worse, but could makedo with the same battery life. If the 4 XL has worse and less battery life than the Pixel 3 XL, then I need to cancel my preorder.
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I'm trading in my 3xl for the 4xl and I believe the battery life will be the same or better.
It has a larger battery so even the smooth display shouldn't hurt it too much.
The reviews so far today have trashed the 4 but pretty much everyone agreed that the 4xl should be fine.
I'm excited even if the changes are not dramatic from 3xl.
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I haven't had time to watch the all reviews yet, but is the 4 XL battery life at least on par with the 3 XL's, or please don't tell me it's actually worse?
My Pixel 3 XL battery life is mediocre, not great, not horrible, I would like better, but certainly not worse, but could makedo with the same battery life. If the 4 XL has worse and less battery life than the Pixel 3 XL, then I need to cancel my preorder.
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From The limited reviews and tweets that I have seen, it seems to be holding its own. Averaging between 4 and 6 hours of sot, from the initial reviews. But I'm sure that that will get better, over time, as it learns your usage. Definitely getting through a whole day though, and that's all that's important
I suppose a rooted 4 XL with the Franco kernel and his app Naptime, would extend battery life too?
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I suppose a rooted 4 XL with the Franco kernel and his app Naptime, would extend battery life too?
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Honestly, these days the only reason I root is for custom kernels, and adaway
If the battery optimization time is the same as the 3XL then none of the reviewers have attained their final screen on time yet.
First reviews are out and they say battery life is horrendous, especially on the 4. I'll pass. Too expensive for too many compromises.
I have Android 10 running on my OG Pixel XL and have zero problems with it on an older chipset and 4 GBs, but I'm sure the extra 2 GBs will be beneficial/noticeable regardless.
I suppose the people complaining the loudest fall into 1 of the following 2 categories: trolls/iphone fanbois or people who don't feel the upgrade from the 3 (or any of the last gen phones) -> 4 is worthwhile. While that's a valid concern, it's worth noting that in recent years the yearly revision has become less substantial in recent years. I've held off for 3 years so going from the OG XL to 4 XL will be a massive improvement and something I'm greatly looking forward to.
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I have Android 10 running on my OG Pixel XL and have zero problems with it on an older chipset and 4 GBs, but I'm sure the extra 2 GBs will be beneficial/noticeable regardless.
I suppose the people complaining the loudest fall into 1 of the following 2 categories: trolls/iphone fanbois or people who don't feel the upgrade from the 3 (or any of the last gen phones) -> 4 is worthwhile. While that's a valid concern, it's worth noting that in recent years the yearly revision has become less substantial in recent years. I've held off for 3 years so going from the OG XL to 4 XL will be a massive improvement and something I'm greatly looking forward to.
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Every phone I've pre-ordered, it always starts the same way. Everyone has something to complain about before they even have the phone in their own hands. After awhile, the complaining, for the most part, dies down, and people realize they love the device. What boggles my mind is, why come to the forum to complain? Nobody forces an individual to buy the phone, let alone pre-order it. Instead of focusing on the negative, focus on the positives.
I'm going to vent a little bit...
I'm an older guy (48) and I've been doing tech and gadgets for over 20 years now. I love this site and have participated on and off for many years. There is a problem growing online and it is only going to get worse. The system here isn't equipped to counter a growing troll problem, so we all fall prey to the effects. Every aspect of the online consumer space is being manipulated by "troll farms" and it is obliterating the signal-to-noise ratio in everything from entertainment to personal devices. Across the board, every device is eventually portrayed to have some fatal flaw rendering it inferior. When in actuality, it can adequately perform the primary task and may only fall short in a single aspect depending on a very specific need that varies individually by consumer.
I used to participate here rather frequently, then I began to only stop by during a device's release to gauge anticipations and thoughts. Every year the noise has increased. Not just here though, almost every forum beyond a certain size has the same issue. Online sources and articles are not immune and are populated with extremely vocal "detractors" in the comment sections, they rally with a frequency and voracity that no ordinary working person could maintain. The methods used by professional trolls is complex, and unfortunately, PROFITABLE.
Without giving too much personal information, my wife WAS a partner in one of the largest PR firms in the U.S., and I can tell you that troll farms and bogus self-cross-referring review sources are real. Her firm never participated, but they could see it coming and now there's an entire "dark" branch of marketing and PR that has arisen (some would say re-emerged) that essentially has the ethics model of the old cigarette industry with the agility of a modern digital campaign.
So if you're wrestling with specs, don't kill yourself searching for the ultimate device. You can do three things and I promise you'll be as happy as you can be.
If you really care about what you're going to buy ,to the point that it may cause a devastating case of buyer's remorse you should:
- First, make lists. Make a list of what's important, make a list of what specs make your tech-feels tingle, make a list of devices and start prioritizing and crossing off.
- Second, do a one afternoon search (not one second longer) of trusted reviews and ignore very tilted reviews.
- Third, and this is crazy... Go to a store, look at the physical functioning device and play with it.
This should be an extra separate step, but whatever, I'm not going back to edit...
- Buy what you want and be prepared to return it within 30 days and pay a restocking fee. Don't like the fee? Too bad, that's life... If you don't like something you may have to pay to return it, it's the world we live in.
This should be one more step too. Damn, I really messed up.
- Unless you are doing ongoing development NEVER revisit the topic of purchasing and specs. Go and enjoy your device and every once and a while keep up with updates and new features. There's a whole life to live out there, so don't waste your energy spec-gazing or griping with trolls.
Online communities are becoming less valuable to me every day because of the noise, it's unfortunate.
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I'm going to vent a little bit...
I'm an older guy (48) and I've been doing tech and gadgets for over 20 years now. I love this site and have participated on and off for many years. There is a problem growing online and it is only going to get worse. The system here isn't equipped to counter a growing troll problem, so we all fall prey to the effects. Every aspect of the online consumer space is being manipulated by "troll farms" and it is obliterating the signal-to-noise ratio in everything from entertainment to personal devices. Across the board, every device is eventually portrayed to have some fatal flaw rendering it inferior. When in actuality, it can adequately perform the primary task and may only fall short in a single aspect depending on a very specific need that varies individually by consumer.
I used to participate here rather frequently, then I began to only stop by during a device's release to gauge anticipations and thoughts. Every year the noise has increased. Not just here though, almost every forum beyond a certain size has the same issue. Online sources and articles are not immune and are populated with extremely vocal "detractors" in the comment sections, they rally with a frequency and voracity that no ordinary working person could maintain. The methods used by professional trolls is complex, and unfortunately, PROFITABLE.
Without giving too much personal information, my wife WAS a partner in one of the largest PR firms in the U.S., and I can tell you that troll farms and bogus self-cross-referring review sources are real. Her firm never participated, but they could see it coming and now there's an entire "dark" branch of marketing and PR that has arisen (some would say re-emerged) that essentially has the ethics model of the old cigarette industry with the agility of a modern digital campaign.
So if you're wrestling with specs, don't kill yourself searching for the ultimate device. You can do three things and I promise you'll be as happy as you can be.
If you really care about what you're going to buy ,to the point that it may cause a devastating case of buyer's remorse you should:
- First, make lists. Make a list of what's important, make a list of what specs make your tech-feels tingle, make a list of devices and start prioritizing and crossing off.
- Second, do a one afternoon search (not one second longer) of trusted reviews and ignore very tilted reviews.
- Third, and this is crazy... Go to a store, look at the physical functioning device and play with it.
This should be an extra separate step, but whatever, I'm not going back to edit...
- Buy what you want and be prepared to return it within 30 days and pay a restocking fee. Don't like the fee? Too bad, that's life... If you don't like something you may have to pay to return it, it's the world we live in.
This should be one more step too. Damn, I really messed up.
- Unless you are doing ongoing development NEVER revisit the topic of purchasing and specs. Go and enjoy your device and every once and a while keep up with updates and new features. There's a whole life to live out there, so don't waste your energy spec-gazing or griping with trolls.
Online communities are becoming less valuable to me every day because of the noise, it's unfortunate.
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Absolutely this. It's pretty darn clear that some people in the crowd are trying to spike the punch. Don't obsess over the minutiae, don't allow yourself to be herded just because it seems like sentiment is tilted one way. Figure out what you want out of a phone (is an ultra-wide camera REALLY make/break for you, or are you only thinking that because XYZ said to?). Put your hands on the device by visiting a Best Buy or carrier store. And lastly, recognize that software learns your habits (battery life after a few days won't tell you what long-term battery life means) and also gets updated (features get added, functionality becomes improved).
Be aware of the echo chamber effect and do your best to make up your own mind about the worthiness of a phone.
I´m really pissed off about every single reviewer saying that Google should included ultrawide instead of telephoto lens and that´s why I had to write this post. I remember back in 2016 when LG G5 included wide angle camera no one cared about it and know it´s a must have feature. I used an OP 7 Pro and Iphone 11 Pro before Pixel 4 XL and guess how many times I actually used ultrawide? Only once on each phone in 3 months of usage. My opinion is that ultrawide is just a gimmick just like 50x zoom or 100xzoom bull**** from Huawei and Samsung.What do you think?
I was thrilled to have zoom over ultrawide.
Sorry but the ultrawide is very useful. It's why I've been using a Sirui wide angle lens since my Pixel 2 XL and now now my Pixel 4 XL. It's great for tight areas where you can't move back any further. And it's also great for videos because the regular lens has a pretty decent crop.
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My wife busts my balls every other day cause my phone doesn't have it. Lol I think since I've never used it I don't miss it...
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Sorry but the ultrawide is very useful. It's why I've been using a Sirui wide angle lens since my Pixel 2 XL and now now my Pixel 4 XL. It's great for tight areas where you can't move back any further. And it's also great for videos because the regular lens has a pretty decent crop.
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So why are you using Pixel if it´s that important to you?
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So why are you using Pixel if it´s that important to you?
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Because it's not a deal breaker. The still camera and user experience are the two main things I look at. I have an external wide angle lens that gets the job done but it is inconvenient. Why can't I be a Pixel owner that wishes it had all three focal points when all other flagships that came out in 2019 did?
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Because it's not a deal breaker. The still camera and user experience are the two main things I look at. I have an external wide angle lens that gets the job done but it is inconvenient. Why can't I be a Pixel owner that wishes it had all three focal points when all other flagships that came out in 2019 did?
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You remember that Pixel had only one lens until Pixel 4 and it was still the best camera on the market? Also no one complained about it when all the other flagships had 2 or 3 lenses and now when they actually included second telephoto lens people are complaining about now having third ultrawide lens. My point is that they could go with only one improved lens and it would still be the best camera on the market.
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You remember that Pixel had only one lens until Pixel 4 and it was still the best camera on the market? Also no one complained about it when all the other flagships had 2 or 3 lenses and now when they actually included second telephoto lens people are complaining about now having third ultrawide lens. My point is that they could go with only one improved lens and it would still be the best camera on the market.
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People didn't complain with the Pixel 1 because 3 focal lengths wasn't a standard back then in 2016. In 2019, the Pixel 4 was the ONLY flagship phone that didn't have all 3. My point is that yes it's got a great still camera but for charging $799 for the 4 and $899 for the 4 XL, it was bit overpriced for getting less. And I'm not just talking about less cameras. We got smaller batteries, less bright screen, less internal storage, less video recording options, slower fast charging. Me being such a fan of the Pixel line, STILL kept my purchase and I made compromises with each of the "lesser" areas but we shouldn't have to. Or the phone should've been a lesser price to begin with instead of penalizing early adopters.
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People didn't complain with the Pixel 1 because 3 focal lengths wasn't a standard back then in 2016. In 2019, the Pixel 4 was the ONLY flagship phone that didn't have all 3. My point is that yes it's got a great still camera but for charging $799 for the 4 and $899 for the 4 XL, it was bit overpriced for getting less. And I'm not just talking about less cameras. We got smaller batteries, less bright screen, less internal storage, less video recording options, slower fast charging. Me being such a fan of the Pixel line, STILL kept my purchase and I made compromises with each of the "lesser" areas but we shouldn't have to. Or the phone should've been a lesser price to begin with instead of penalizing early adopters.
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I agree you with you about the prices and less storage(64GB is still enough for most of users tho) but I can´t agree with you about battery life and slower fast charging. Nexus and Pixel phones was never intented to be phones for average consumers and I guess they´ll never be.They are for people who will root their phones and install custom kernels immediately after getting one.I did that with every Nexus and Pixel phone I had and experience is 10/10 after that. As of slower charging(18W is still fast enough for me as it charge my phone from 0 to 40-45% in 30 minutes) it´s actually better becuse battery won´t degrade so quickly.
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I agree you with you about the prices and less storage(64GB is still enough for most of users tho) but I can´t agree with you about battery life and slower fast charging. Nexus and Pixel phones was never intented to be phones for average consumers and I guess they´ll never be.They are for people who will root their phones and install custom kernels immediately after getting one.I did that with every Nexus and Pixel phone I had and experience is 10/10 after that. As of slower charging(18W is still fast enough for me as it charge my phone from 0 to 40-45% in 30 minutes) it´s actually better becuse battery won´t degrade so quickly.
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You're still living in the Nexus past. Google's Pixel line has been for the general consumer hence why they spend millions on advertisements. And general consumers don't care about battery degradation. They see a phone that gets to to 80% in 30 minutes versus a phone that gets to 80% in 60 minutes, which are they going to choose? They see a phone with 3700 mAh versus a phone with 4100 mAh or greater, which are they going to choose? And 64 GB is not enough when we have 4K video recording. Yes I've made my compromise with Google Drive full quality backup but 128 GB should've been the base. Google's not Apple to make that 64GB still standard. They're in the Android world of devices that offer 128GB at same or lesser price.
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Don't care about the ultra wide. There's other ways around it that are just fine. Screw reviewers, I can't stand watching them anymore.
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You're still living in the Nexus past. Google's Pixel line has been for the general consumer hence why they spend millions on advertisements. And general consumers don't care about battery degradation. They see a phone that gets to to 80% in 30 minutes versus a phone that gets to 80% in 60 minutes, which are they going to choose? They see a phone with 3700 mAh versus a phone with 4100 mAh or greater, which are they going to choose? And 64 GB is not enough when we have 4K video recording. Yes I've made my compromise with Google Drive full quality backup but 128 GB should've been the base. Google's not Apple to make that 64GB still standard. They're in the Android world of devices that offer 128GB at same or lesser price.
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Yeah maybe they want it to be the phone for average consumers but only in USA to compete with Apple. Here in Croatia and most of the Europe probably 80% of average consumers never heard of Pixel phones and I know that beacuse I work in telecommunications. Samsung and Huawei dominates here for years now.
Overall I care less about either a telephoto or an ultrawide than I do having a great main sensor (wouldn't trade P4 camera for the S20 for example)
BUT the ultrawide is more useful than telephoto and wouldn't have detracted anything from the experience, google not including it is literally just them being cheap
I was disappointed that there wasn't an ultrawide, even though it wasn't a dealbreaker. A friend had gotten the new iphone around the same time and his ultrawide was impressive and useful. For everyday shots, I think the ultrawide is alot more useful, especially in group shots. For zoom shots, I have a real camera for that because zoom generally requires better lenses, motion stabilization, etc in order to get good shots -- so I didn't really need it on my pixel.
For what the phone is ultrawide, among other things is a miss. Google continues to hamstring themselves and then wonder why they don't move enough phones. All the points EeZePeZe pointed out are valid, Google should make three tiers like Apple (can't believe I said that out loud), there should be a high end, great screen, BIG battery, more/faster storage, ultrawide camera, all the bells and whistles, you get it for $1,000-$1200. Then a middle of the road "good" phone$650-$750 range and a price point phone $400-$500. That new iPhone is going to sell really well from the looks of it.
I don't agree with the 3 tier idea. At the time of introduction this phone was selling as a flagship phone for flagship money and flagship phones are called that for a reason; they come loaded with all the latest goodies that can be packed into the frame. That is what makes a flagship a flagship and flagship and no excuses can be made, it either is or it is not. I've had the wide and didn't use it outside of a couple of tryout pics. Just not my thing so I don't miss it but that doesn't mean I give the phone a pass in terms of what it should be based on it's intended flagship status and price. Google should have thrown it in, it's really that simple to me. Flagship phones selling for flagship money have wide angle cameras and this was sold as a flagship phone and at flagship prices and should be able to carry that freight.
In my mind they need to pack actual flagship specs if they want to play in that market or move down market and sell at a lower price point. When you think about it they have been doing the latter for years as long as you wait a month and then buy it. Don't get me wrong, I love Pixel phones based on the experience and they are excellent cameras for taking the kinds of shots I take but this phone is not a flagship and should have gone on the market for the price they're now selling for which is 300 or more under MSRP. As a way of putting into perspective the experience on the 3a Xl was much the same but the price was very different.
I wish I had it tbh
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I don't agree with the 3 tier idea. At the time of introduction this phone was selling as a flagship phone for flagship money and flagship phones are called that for a reason; they come loaded with all the latest goodies that can be packed into the frame. That is what makes a flagship a flagship and flagship and no excuses can be made, it either is or it is not. I've had the wide and didn't use it outside of a couple of tryout pics. Just not my thing so I don't miss it but that doesn't mean I give the phone a pass in terms of what it should be based on it's intended flagship status and price. Google should have thrown it in, it's really that simple to me. Flagship phones selling for flagship money have wide angle cameras and this was sold as a flagship phone and at flagship prices and should be able to carry that freight.
In my mind they need to pack actual flagship specs if they want to play in that market or move down market and sell at a lower price point. When you think about it they have been doing the latter for years as long as you wait a month and then buy it. Don't get me wrong, I love Pixel phones based on the experience and they are excellent cameras for taking the kinds of shots I take but this phone is not a flagship and should have gone on the market for the price they're now selling for which is 300 or more under MSRP. As a way of putting into perspective the experience on the 3a Xl was much the same but the price was very different.
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We agree Google should be adding in all the flagship specs so who cares if there are three tiers or not we already have two? As it stands they offer a "flagship priced" (initially) phone that is really in the "good" category and an "A" version that is their price point phone. They just need a true highend specced phone to appeal to more of a buying segment. I just don't understand whomever it is that makes these hardware decision for Google when there is so many examples of effective marketing to borrow from.
I'm a die-hard pixel user and I really miss not having a wide-angle. I I have the moment case and a couple lenses, looking to buy the superfish right now. The wide-angle is great IMO. I do wish video quality was close to iPhones though. I honestly never use the zoom lens.
No, telephoto over wide angle any day whether DSLR or phone.
Am I crazy that I still really like the Pixel 4 XL a year plus later?
I bought the Pixel 5 right away, wanting better battery life and bright screen, plus more one handed friendly phone.
Yes the Pixel 5 has insane battery life. That's it. It feels like a cheap toy phone, and the speakers suck do bad, mainly the earpiece for phone calls, sound tinny and like a mile away.
The Pixel 4 XL feels way more premium, higher end build quality, sharper looking display, better feel in hand, I know it's large for a 6.3" phone, but I find it easier to type on and just feels solid in hand.
Actually if you didn't tell anyone when these two phones were released, I bet most non tech people would think the Pixel 4 XL is a new 2020 phone, and the Pixel 5 an older phone from few years ago.
Anyways, hoping Google goes more flagship next year.
I looked at other phones, and nothing really interests me out there right now. Yeah the OnePlus 8 Pro looks great, but at this point the 9 Pro is due in March.
iPhone 12 Pro Max looks stunning, super high end build, and a beautiful huge screen, with a FLAT display But iOS ugh .
I don't buy phones every year. If the Pixel 5 had been released next year, I would have kept my Pixel 4 XL for 3-4 years, if possible. I don't want a small phone. I'm not interested in plastic rim phones(4a). I find hole-punches more offensive than top bezels... I would rather have real tech using the space. But I'm not sore about using lesser SoCs... Qualcomm is ruining flagship potentials with their 5G design choices in upper-end SoCs.
Just wait for a 2021 phone. It's not worth getting a new phone only a year later anymore.
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I agree that it's not worth getting a new phone after a year now. Also agree with OP in spirit although I haven't actually tried a pixel 5. I find the 4xl screen excellent size & resolution, I find face unlock brilliant. Somehow rear fingerprint scanner seems like years ago now. Personally, I use telephoto more than I would a wide angle camera and also, in my opinion, any amount of bezel or "forehead" is better than a hole in the screen. Ye, 2021 at least for me too.
Yeah I've had my pixel 4 XL since last November. I downgraded by selling my note 10 plus and using this as my daily driver. It is served its purpose for the most part but a year later there are things about it that are annoying me apart from an absolute ****ty selfie camera, there are more noticeable bugs and issues that I'm having now than I ever did when I got to device initially.
But it is what it is I've enjoyed it for the most part and I'm excited to receive my Sony Xperia 5 Mark II in a few days. That device is game changing compared to this and the pixel 5.
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Yeah I've had my pixel 4 XL since last November. I downgraded by selling my note 10 plus and using this as my daily driver. It is served its purpose for the most part but a year later there are things about it that are annoying me apart from an absolute ****ty selfie camera, there are more noticeable bugs and issues that I'm having now than I ever did when I got to device initially.
But it is what it is I've enjoyed it for the most part and I'm excited to receive my Sony Xperia 5 Mark II in a few days. That device is game changing compared to this and the pixel 5.
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It's only game changing on paper, in real world use not so much.
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It's only game changing on paper, in real world use not so much.
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While I respect your opinion, I disagree,
the battery life alone is something that demolishes the pixel 4 XL.
Then you have an identical stock Android. the stock Android that pixels have that everybody glorifies an overhypes the saying is super smooth is no different than what is found on the Xperia.
and 120hz refresh rate.
Personally I found pixel devices to be completely overhyped for the prices that they're charging and with formidable issues such as poor build quality (seen regularly with all pixel devices since their inception) I just haven't had my money's worth of an experience with the pixel devices.
I genuinely believe the software and the apps that Google develops is great. They should stick with software development and just present their full-fledged featured apps with no compromises to all Android phones. 90% of their apps are available on other devices and can definitely be ported over specifically the recorder app and even on some phones gcam. Which in all honesty I've seen ports of gcam that function better than the stock camera on the pixel 4 XL.
But yeah that's just been my experience everybody's differs they might have had an entirely pleasant experience and that's good on them but I'm excited to be back on the Xperia line again.
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While I respect your opinion, I disagree,
the battery life alone is something that demolishes the pixel 4 XL.
Then you have an identical stock Android. the stock Android that pixels have that everybody glorifies an overhypes the saying is super smooth is no different than what is found on the Xperia.
and 120hz refresh rate.
Personally I found pixel devices to be completely overhyped for the prices that they're charging and with formidable issues such as poor build quality (seen regularly with all pixel devices since their inception) I just haven't had my money's worth of an experience with the pixel devices.
I genuinely believe the software and the apps that Google develops is great. They should stick with software development and just present their full-fledged featured apps with no compromises to all Android phones. 90% of their apps are available on other devices and can definitely be ported over specifically the recorder app and even on some phones gcam. Which in all honesty I've seen ports of gcam that function better than the stock camera on the pixel 4 XL.
But yeah that's just been my experience everybody's differs they might have had an entirely pleasant experience and that's good on them but I'm excited to be back on the Xperia line again.
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Yeah software is good on the Sony ones. Only thing that was annoying when I had the 1 mk ii was the disappointing camera and slow UI in the app.
21:9 is comfy to hold so I miss that. Id be very surprised if a 4000mah battery at 120hz would be much different to the 4XLs.
Hopefully a better experience for you on the 5ii than I had on the 1ii.
I upgraded to Pixel 5 from the 4XL. My primary motivation is I hate the face unlock. I sorely missed the old fingerprint reader along the back. The only reason I upgraded from a 3XL to 4XL was the 3XL had hardware probs.
At first, I wasnt sure I was gonna be able to do it as the smaller phone felt odd and wasnt sure if I'd be able to type vertically with my thumbs (I still can once I got the case on it). It took some getting used to but then I quickily realized how absurdly big and heavy the 4XL is. The only other obstacle was no Active Edge. I never used it for the Assistant, but I use it daily to use my flashlight from the lock screen. This one was a must. I then discovered the Torchie app , that I can activate using the volume buttons.
Its much faster and the battery life is crazy good. Im very happy now having my fingerprint unlock back and more room in my pockets.
Tried the pixel 5 out and couldn't justify upgrading from my 4xl.
I'm returning it to Best buy tomorrow
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I upgraded to Pixel 5 from the 4XL. My primary motivation is I hate the face unlock. I sorely missed the old fingerprint reader along the back. The only reason I upgraded from a 3XL to 4XL was the 3XL had hardware probs.
At first, I wasnt sure I was gonna be able to do it as the smaller phone felt odd and wasnt sure if I'd be able to type vertically with my thumbs (I still can once I got the case on it). It took some getting used to but then I quickily realized how absurdly big and heavy the 4XL is. The only other obstacle was no Active Edge. I never used it for the Assistant, but I use it daily to use my flashlight from the lock screen. This one was a must. I then discovered the Torchie app , that I can activate using the volume buttons.
Its much faster and the battery life is crazy good. Im very happy now having my fingerprint unlock back and more room in my pockets.
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These days, with masks on all the time, face unlock has been rendered useless and annoying
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These days, with masks on all the time, face unlock has been rendered useless and annoying
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I hear this all the time, but I haven't experienced it much. To begin with, I don't think face unlock even looks at the bottom part of your face. Maybe it's a male-specific beard precaution. With a face contouring mask, moving the mask down half an inch is all it takes for my phone to recognize me. I can manage that just by opening my mouth wide which pulls down the mask slightly.
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I hear this all the time, but I haven't experienced it much. To begin with, I don't think face unlock even looks at the bottom part of your face. Maybe it's a male-specific beard precaution. With a face contouring mask, moving the mask down half an inch is all it takes for my phone to recognize me. I can manage that just by opening my mouth wide which pulls down the mask slightly.
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I work on the medical field, wear a mask all shift, and it has never recognized me with a mask on. I don't have a beard but interestingly it does unlock when I have shaving cream on my face probably because it can actually get the contours of my cheeks. Either way, I usually use Smart Lock with my watch while at work.
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I hear this all the time, but I haven't experienced it much. To begin with, I don't think face unlock even looks at the bottom part of your face. Maybe it's a male-specific beard precaution. With a face contouring mask, moving the mask down half an inch is all it takes for my phone to recognize me. I can manage that just by opening my mouth wide which pulls down the mask slightly.
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TBH, since Android 11, Face unlock has been sketchy. It never used to lag unlocking when it's in the phone holder in my vehicle. Now it does often. In the dark, fuhgeddaboudit....
Had the pixel 7 for 4 days now and not that impressed with it
Actually thinking about going back to my OnePlus 7 Pro
The charging is poor on it and generally scrolling on webpages menu etc its no better than my oneplus
Dont know maybe I will persevere with it and it will get better
Got the pixel 7 on a killer deal with 5g coming from 4g with EE - I literally got the phone for free but not feeling it
Anyone else not buying into the hype?
So I've had the phone for the better part of a month and my takeaway from owning the device is that whilst is not the best or does it have any killer features that stand out above any other phone I've used. It does everything that it does really very well
The auto brightness is basically perfect.
The camera is reliable, it's not the best. The video is a bit lacking, but everything else about it is very good.
Is probably not the fastest at navigating between apps and multitasking but when I use the device it's reliably smooth in operation.
The battery isn't as good as my previous device, Poco F3, however, it gets me through the day and it's reliable in battery drain.
Notifications work unlike MIUI
Signal is much better compared to my 7T Pro
I can use speaker phone in my car and the other side can hear me clearly, couldn't do this on the 7T or F3
The screen is accurate and well balanced
I could go on
The phone doesn't have anything amazing that will make you want to go out and buy it or talk about how amazing it is, but once you just use it day in day out as the tool phones are now, it becomes the best phone I've used as a package.
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So I've had the phone for the better part of a month and my takeaway from owning the device is that whilst is not the best or does it have any killer features that stand out above any other phone I've used. It does everything that it does really very well
The auto brightness is basically perfect.
The camera is reliable, it's not the best. The video is a bit lacking, but everything else about it is very good.
Is probably not the fastest at navigating between apps and multitasking but when I use the device it's reliably smooth in operation.
The battery isn't as good as my previous device, Poco F3, however, it gets me through the day and it's reliable in battery drain.
Notifications work unlike MIUI
Signal is much better compared to my 7T Pro
I can use speaker phone in my car and the other side can hear me clearly, couldn't do this on the 7T or F3
The screen is accurate and well balanced
I could go on
The phone doesn't have anything amazing that will make you want to go out and buy it or talk about how amazing it is, but once you just use it day in day out as the tool phones are now, it becomes the best phone I've used as a package.
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Thing is my oneplus is a better phone than the pixel
I am not trying to downplay the pixel its just for a new phone/upgrade its not what I thought it would be
If it works for you great and I genuinely mean that
Going to give it a few more days but I can honestly see myself switching back I miss the fluidity and charging speed of my oneplus
I only got the P7 because the carrier I'm with would only give me a better deal if I got a new phone. It's been nearly 3 months and still haven't used it other than to take pictures and see how it runs lol. It's a quirky thing.
I do have plans for it down the road, once it's rooted with a custom ROM, but won't be using it as a primary device. 128 GB without an SD card slot was what killed it for me. I know most phones don't have the slot these days, but with specs similar enough to my S10 with 512 GB and the card slot, I've just stuck with using that. I know the P7 has a better battery and charges faster, but the extra storage is more important for what I need. Not bad as a back-up device though.
I have a pixel 7 after almost 3 years with the OnePlus 7pro and I was the same... OxigenOS have a lot more stuff than pixel except for the exclusive stuff. I was missing my OnePlus a lot and hold this P7 for a month or more... After that I went back to the OnePlus and noticed the quality of the phone. OnePlus felt so cheap in my hand and idk, it was not the same. So yes I understand your feeling about OP7pro it was a hell of a phone but , I think pixel 7 is just more premium feeling and a "mature OS" nut fun but mature.
Oneplus have a great deal on the 11 at the moment I can get £180.00 trade in on the 7 pro plus - free buds plus if I link my device and a 5% student beans I have got the price down £400 very tempting
I went from the OnePlus 6t to the pixel 6 and I kinda felt the same way. I knew it was a better phone in theory with higher specs and all, but the 6t had a better screen to me and seemed faster in charging and smoothness at first. However, the camera on the pixel was waaaay better and I was happy with that trade off. Fast forward a year and I got a good trade in deal from the pixel 6 to the 7 and it is a way better screen than my 6. Not much else other than slightly lighter in the hand with better weight distribution (6 was top heavy). It is a much better overall experience though and I love a couple of features I've only found on pixels like the ability to copy text from your recent apps slider, amazing speech to text, and I will say the scrolling speed/smoothness has gotten way better with time. I think the software needs a bit of time to smooth out.
I came from the OP8. I did like the phone, but got really tired of the hit or mostly miss camera. I know there are better camera phones than the P7, but I'm not buying a phone I can't root plus I really like the smaller size. The OP11, IDK, like another said, my P7 does everything I want and does it really well. Also there's the whole Chinese and Spyware thing.
I get what everyone is saying!! I came from a Pixel 3XL. The 7 didn't blow me away, but works very efficiently. At least I can unlock my bootloader now.
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That depends on if you use your phone as a phone, once you get used to not receiving spam calls and having call screening there is no going back.
Also the speech recognition is faster and more accurate than any device on the market.
Thing is phone's have been fast enough for years and you won't notice a huge difference between modern devices.
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Had the pixel 7 for 4 days now and not that impressed with it
Actually thinking about going back to my OnePlus 7 Pro
The charging is poor on it and generally scrolling on webpages menu etc its no better than my oneplus
Dont know maybe I will persevere with it and it will get better
Got the pixel 7 on a killer deal with 5g coming from 4g with EE - I literally got the phone for free but not feeling it
Anyone else not buying into the hype?
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I was in the same situation, upgraded from my oneplus 7 pro. I agree that the screen was better on the oneplus and looking at a spec sheet it is obvious that it is the better screen. Other than that and charging speed everything is better on the pixel 7. The NFC is more reliable, better sound quality, better networking, camera and so on. I think it is worth the upgrade if you do not mind the screen. I rarely ever used the dash charge and mostly stuck to slower charging for over night so I do not have issues with the charging and the battery lasts me the whole day anywaay.
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Had the pixel 7 for 4 days now and not that impressed with it
Actually thinking about going back to my OnePlus 7 Pro
The charging is poor on it and generally scrolling on webpages menu etc its no better than my oneplus
Dont know maybe I will persevere with it and it will get better
Got the pixel 7 on a killer deal with 5g coming from 4g with EE - I literally got the phone for free but not feeling it
Anyone else not buying into the hype?
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I've had my pixel 7 since late November, and I'll never buy another. I regret trading in my Galaxy S20fe for this turd of a phone. Google has locked down so much of the stock OS it's ridiculous. Very Apple -like. If I want that garbage I'll just buy an iphone.
But by far the most miserable part is the awful--and I mean TRULY, epically horrifically bad--fingerprint sensor. It's hands down the worst I have ever seen on any phone.
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I've had my pixel 7 since late November, and I'll never buy another. I regret trading in my Galaxy S20fe for this turd of a phone. Google has locked down so much of the stock OS it's ridiculous. Very Apple -like. If I want that garbage I'll just buy an iphone.
But by far the most miserable part is the awful--and I mean TRULY, epically horrifically bad--fingerprint sensor. It's hands down the worst I have ever seen on any phone.
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I can't comment on the OS because I just got the phone and rooted it right out of the box, but Samsung phones are fairly limited themselves IMO not to mention with tons of bloat. I went from an Honor View 10 to an S10(because ATT blocked my V10 from service last year) and the s10 is crap in comparison and has very restrictive OS.
Do you have a screen protector? Did you rescan your fingerprints after? Lots of issues have been reported for those who haven't rescanned after a screen protector install, even changing brands I would recommend it.
GL
I bought this in December after accidentally destroying the screen of my OnePlus 7 Pro. It's everything I loved about that phone, with the bonus of NOT having a curved screen. Best phone ever? Nah. But a damn good and reliable phone? Absolutely.
You need to give Pixels some time, as the software is supposed to be intuitive and adapt to your usage. Also, I think some people coming from a different OEM don't realize Pixels are pure android with no frills, so they don't always "wow" you right out of the box. Pixels aren't for everybody, but those of us who love our Pixels tend to be happy with them and enjoy special features that others may not get due to carrier software manipulation, etc.
At the end of the day, all devices are subjective and it just depends on what you're looking for. Don't like the Pixel? Cool. There are thousands of other options out there. Go find your happy place.
Pixels can run grapheOS, others phones can't. That's me reason to keep pixel phones.
I regret trading in my P3 for this phone
The OS is cleaner and it has some nice functionality, but even my Xiaomi mi 10 that I traded from feels like a better phone. And the battery life, which was the only reason I gave up the mi 10 (which had dropped to 60% battery), is **** on the pixel 7.
cannot talk about the OS, i immediately switched to LineageOS as i'm used to that.
i tend to agree to the general feeling, underwhelming it's a good summary for this device.
in my overall experience, it's a barely good device which could've been great if they wanted to.
Screen: 5/10
mediocre screen... it only looks good on darker colors, lighter ones look terrible with visible rainbow effects at very little movement.
minor, almost imperceptible, flickering on static images.
i completely fail to understand why pixel 7 has so many positive reviews about the screen.
thankfully xda and other reviewers made interesting insights about this issue, sadly we as the customers got a indecent panel.
Battery life: 8/10
usually allows me to do 5h of screen usage with ~50%, which is more than enough for me, just in time to put in charge for the next day.
Camera: 7/10
i expected more, considering the reviews.
i've tried it a few days on stock and gcam but i really don't see why all the praises.
anyway it delivers more than i actually need and care.
front camera is actual ****, really bad for video calls.
About the rest:
fingerprint sensors, odd enough, works ok for me: it always recognize my fingerprint. it's just a tad slow which isn't great.
stereo audio balance is weird.
i'll always complain about 3.5" mm audio jack lack.
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i'll always complain about 3.5" mm audio jack lack.
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It also doesn't have digital to analog conversion, soost USB-C to 3.5mm converters won't work.