I currently have a Galaxy S5 on Verizon's original unlimited data plan. I rooted the phone with Android Lollipop years ago and have been using it ever since. The phone has tons of lag and a lot of apps now require Marshmallow or newer operating system to run. I've been looking at the S10 as my next phone and have a few questions:
1. I rooted my S5 and would naturally like to root the S10. I know that Verizon goes the extra mile to lock the boot loader and to discourage us from rooting. What is my best bet for being able to root? I mean, should I get a developer version or maybe an international version? I do understand that it's a bit premature to be asking such questions, but with the history of Verizon's versions of the Galaxy line, what should I expect? sadly, I haven't keept up with the phone world in a few years.
2. Seeing as the S10 will be a five model jump for me is root even all that necessary any more? I don't install custom ROMS or tweek the phone all that much anyways. Mostly I just need a way to eliminate ads in apps (I use Adaway for this now), a way to remove bloatwear, and a way to back up apps and data (I've been using Titanium backup for this).
3. What can I expect in terms of advances or complications in the newest version of android? What has changed with support for data cards, rooting and the like?
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Damn your latest phone is a S5 yeah you're going to have a hell of a lot and sugar be shocked LOL I bought everyone from the S4 up.
The question is... which S10 to get so that I will be able to root? I know Verizon locks the boot loader. Then again, do I really need to root? what would you recommend having moved away from the S4s?
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I currently have a Galaxy S5 on Verizon's original unlimited data plan. I rooted the phone with Android Lollipop years ago and have been using it ever since. The phone has tons of lag and a lot of apps now require Marshmallow or newer operating system to run. I've been looking at the S10 as my next phone and have a few questions:
1. I rooted my S5 and would naturally like to root the S10. I know that Verizon goes the extra mile to lock the boot loader and to discourage us from rooting. What is my best bet for being able to root? I mean, should I get a developer version or maybe an international version? I do understand that it's a bit premature to be asking such questions, but with the history of Verizon's versions of the Galaxy line, what should I expect? sadly, I haven't keept up with the phone world in a few years.
2. Seeing as the S10 will be a five model jump for me is root even all that necessary any more? I don't install custom ROMS or tweek the phone all that much anyways. Mostly I just need a way to eliminate ads in apps (I use Adaway for this now), a way to remove bloatwear, and a way to back up apps and data (I've been using Titanium backup for this).
3. What can I expect in terms of advances or complications in the newest version of android? What has changed with support for data cards, rooting and the like?
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Based on your query it would seem you don't need much customization so getting the device with an lunocked bootloader may not be your best bet. I would expect Samsung to follow it's development the same as previous releases. You should be able to acquire the Exynos or Snapdragon variants with unlocked bootloaders as long as you purchase an International variant. Not sure if it's important to you but based on early benchmarks, the Snapdragon variant has now surpassed the Exynos in processing speeds.
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Android newbie looking for more in-depth rooting gotchas and unlocked s6edge on AT&T.
Hi everyone, and thanks for all the great info here. Let's assume I have my "how to root" links bookmarked and ready to go, but like a good boyscout I want to understand the gotchas/subtleties before I cliff jump. I'm also within my 15 days to exchange my s6edge AT&T for an unlocked one at Best Buy, which I plan to do today... :highfive:
(I'm technically savy, but a real newb in the world of android versions, manufacturer changes, and carrier versions and conflicts...) :crying:
1) How do I do a full ROM-level backup before beginning my adventures in rooting? Titanium Backup is no good since I need root to use it. I'd like an iPhone-style backup that I can just restore should I brick my phone.
2) After I exchange my phone I'm going to immediately airplane-mode it to prevent autoupdates (my current phone already autoupdated to unrootable OF4)... once I root how do I effectively get-latest? I'd obviously like the latest security updates, and 5.1 if I can manage it, and to maintain root.
3) AT&T doesn't have 5.1.... but if I go unlocked then can I run 5.1 on AT&T? (I've been iPhone forever -- carriers messing with you is really foreign to me). On a related note, can AT&T send some update/profile-change OTA to my phone that will conflict with updates I'm doing locally? If so any tips to avoid this?
4) An unlocked phone will perform just as well on AT&T as an AT&t phone, right?
Thanks for any info, help, and/or pointing me to resources where I can find the info, in advance. I'm technically savy, but a real newb when it comes to the gotcha-ridden ground of android and carriers.
Thanks again.
- Jason
JasonS6Edge said:
Hi everyone, and thanks for all the great info here. Let's assume I have my "how to root" links bookmarked and ready to go, but like a good boyscout I want to understand the gotchas/subtleties before I cliff jump. I'm also within my 15 days to exchange my s6edge AT&T for an unlocked one at Best Buy, which I plan to do today... :highfive:
(I'm technically savy, but a real newb in the world of android versions, manufacturer changes, and carrier versions and conflicts...) :crying:
1) How do I do a full ROM-level backup before beginning my adventures in rooting? Titanium Backup is no good since I need root to use it. I'd like an iPhone-style backup that I can just restore should I brick my phone.
2) After I exchange my phone I'm going to immediately airplane-mode it to prevent autoupdates (my current phone already autoupdated to unrootable OF4)... once I root how do I effectively get-latest? I'd obviously like the latest security updates, and 5.1 if I can manage it, and to maintain root.
3) AT&T doesn't have 5.1.... but if I go unlocked then can I run 5.1 on AT&T? (I've been iPhone forever -- carriers messing with you is really foreign to me). On a related note, can AT&T send some update/profile-change OTA to my phone that will conflict with updates I'm doing locally? If so any tips to avoid this?
4) An unlocked phone will perform just as well on AT&T as an AT&t phone, right?
Thanks for any info, help, and/or pointing me to resources where I can find the info, in advance. I'm technically savy, but a real newb when it comes to the gotcha-ridden ground of android and carriers.
Thanks again.
- Jason
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It's likely any replacement phone you get at this point will have OF4, or at least OF3 on it. It will likely be unrootable out of the box.
There is no current bootloader unlock for ATT branded devices - if you are lucky enough to get a rootable device, you can run a the two roms in the ATT section. You can run XtreStoLite v 1.5 from the regular S6 section, and maybe other 5.0.2 roms from there as well, I'm not aware of any others being tried.
In either case, we will not have 5.1.1 until after ATT releases it.
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Thanks for the info -- this is where I get confused. If it's a 925F, and I put my AT&T sim in it, it isn't an "AT&T branded device", right? So the bootloader shouldn't be all locked up by AT&T? I should be able to put any GSM sim in there and run on that network... so can't I just do what I want with the hardware at that point without AT&T controlling me?
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It's likely any replacement phone you get at this point will have OF4, or at least OF3 on it. It will likely be unrootable out of the box.
There is no current bootloader unlock for ATT branded devices - if you are lucky enough to get a rootable device, you can run a the two roms in the ATT section. You can run XtreStoLite v 1.5 from the regular S6 section, and maybe other 5.0.2 roms from there as well, I'm not aware of any others being tried.
In either case, we will not have 5.1.1 until after ATT releases it.
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How about a simpler version...
- Can I use the "download booster" function (that AT&T removed) if I have an unlocked 925F on AT&T? Can I use 5.1 on AT&T with a non-AT&T edge?
I'm trying to work out if AT&T controls all phones or just the AT&T branded phones (925A).
Thanks.
Oh, guess I misunderstood your situation. Since you have an F model, you should be able to do whatever you want in terms of root/rom, just follow the instructions over there. I think as long as your APN is set up correctly, you should be set. As long as its working now, worst case would be full factory reflash of what you're currently running. Just remember if you root in a way that trips Knox, it's tripped forever.
I think I've seen people posting that they had download booster enabled while on ATT, but I don't recall seeing any comments about whether or not it actually worked.
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I've always loved to root and install a custom ROM. If I ran into issues I could always run back to Sprint's default OS. Will there be stock samsung software if I run into issues with flashing?
Also, is there any benefit to getting the unlocked vs Sprint version other than being able to use it on other carriers?
Thanks!
Umm... Bad idea, if you're getting it for rooting. To the best of my knowledge the unlocked version won't be anymore able to root than the sprint version because they are both the snapdragon variants made for North America. Unless by unlocked version you mean the international version? That's the only one that will be rooted for a long, long time, if not ever.
Oh wow, really? That sucks. I like being able to customize my phone. If this is the same with unlocked and the Sprint version, I might cancel my pre order :/
AprilAr said:
I've always loved to root and install a custom ROM. If I ran into issues I could always run back to Sprint's default OS. Will there be stock samsung software if I run into issues with flashing?
Also, is there any benefit to getting the unlocked vs Sprint version other than being able to use it on other carriers?
Thanks!
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FWIW...From what the Samsung rep told me at my local BestBuy.. the Unlocked Note 8 is fully compatible with Verizon and AT&T. You might have some 'features/functionality' that is exclusive to the Sprint version because of the software tweaks that will only work on a Sprint version Note 8.
As you stated to be someone who roots/installs custom ROMs, think of it as why you need to install certain custom kernels, csc files, etc etc to make certain features work.
All "unlocked" means is that it's not locked into one carrier. It has nothing to do with a boot-loader unlock. I'm not saying it's not going to happen but I think the odds are slim. Someone may find a way to root the device which is all I really would like to see.
That really sucks. I guess I mainly liked not having bloatware which I have heard this phone doesn't have.... But I like to customize my menu and every other aspect of the phone. Hopefully the battery life is good compared to the Note 5
AprilAr said:
That really sucks. I guess I mainly liked not having bloatware which I have heard this phone doesn't have.... But I like to customize my menu and every other aspect of the phone. Hopefully the battery life is good compared to the Note 5
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I agree, I have literally never used a stock (OEM ROM or aosp) ROM since like 2011. Resurrection for LIFE.
I will totally risk all that for the S-Pen though lol.
I don't use the S pen :/
That might make me a bad person, haha.
Wanting to get the phone and see how the US versions(snapdragon)of the S8+ are starting to get root. Wondering if many of you think this trend will follow with the Note 8 Snapdragon versions?
I say just sit back and wait.
Yes, it has been said the snapdragon will get root with a possible of 80% limit on the battery just like the s8.
All we can do is wait and see
the Snapdragon models will probably get root sooner or later, but the Exynos ones seem to already have a method. I'm about to take the plunge on it myself.
The Note 8 US models will get root. Just be patient the phone just came out on the 15th. I have had multiple phones with locked bootloaders and every time some hard working people find a way to root them. This phone will have root soon.
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the Snapdragon models will probably get root sooner or later, but the Exynos ones seem to already have a method. I'm about to take the plunge on it myself.
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Yes twrp and root already available for exynos versions...always within the first week of launch it seems.
Snapdragons....who knows lol. Will likely get some form of root with certain issues as usual. Will never get twrp.
Dont waste your money on snapdragon if development matters to you.
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Exynos and it already has root and twrp
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Rooting a locked bootloader phone is much like running homebrew or a flat-out custom firmware on a game console.
Determined individuals will find a way, but it'll take quite some time and rely on security exploits that could just as easily be used for nefarious purposes, so don't be surprised if they get patched out in future updates.
Meanwhile, you could just get a device with an unlocked bootloader and be on your merry way, but that only applies to Exynos variants and maybe the Snapdragon variant sold in Hong Kong. Needless to say, that makes things a pain for North American buyers for a litany of reasons - doubly so if you're on Sprint or Verizon due to lack of CDMA support on Exynos.
NamelessFragger said:
Rooting a locked bootloader phone is much like running homebrew or a flat-out custom firmware on a game console.
Determined individuals will find a way, but it'll take quite some time and rely on security exploits that could just as easily be used for nefarious purposes, so don't be surprised if they get patched out in future updates.
Meanwhile, you could just get a device with an unlocked bootloader and be on your merry way, but that only applies to Exynos variants and maybe the Snapdragon variant sold in Hong Kong. Needless to say, that makes things a pain for North American buyers for a litany of reasons - doubly so if you're on Sprint or Verizon due to lack of CDMA support on Exynos.
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This is all true. There really isn't a reason to root the Snapdragon variant unless you absolutely need it for an app that requires root. You can't run any custom ROMs on a phone with a locked bootloader, even if it is rooted.
Just like with the S7/Edge Snapdragons, they had root but it was so unreliable I could never really keep my phone rooted. There were severe battery drain issues, lag and more and these issues remain today for people still trying to root that phone.
I still have my old reliable Note 5 rooted and I still it today even though I have a Note 8 now.
Does anyone know if rooting the note8 will trigger Knox?
jeezy85 said:
Does anyone know if rooting the note8 will trigger Knox?
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Yes it does.
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funcritter said:
This is all true. There really isn't a reason to root the Snapdragon variant unless you absolutely need it for an app that requires root. You can't run any custom ROMs on a phone with a locked bootloader, even if it is rooted.
Just like with the S7/Edge Snapdragons, they had root but it was so unreliable I could never really keep my phone rooted. There were severe battery drain issues, lag and more and these issues remain today for people still trying to root that phone.
I still have my old reliable Note 5 rooted and I still it today even though I have a Note 8 now.
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This. Sure snapdragons will get root but it won't be for months and it will limit battery to 80%. Plus no twrp or custom roms. Not worth it imho. That's why if root and roms are important to you, Exynos is your only real option.
Hi all,
I recently bought a used S5 (after trying a Z2 and LG G3) and was looking forward to hitting it up with some custom ROM goodness. Unfortunately it turned out to be an AT&T branded phkne which I soon discovered was a pain in the ass to do anything with...
So I was wondering what the chances are of there ever being a Marshmallow custom rom for this model? I can deal with having to stick with the same version of android as stock, but I can't deal with going back a version just to have a custom rom!
Unfortunately, stock marshmallow is soooo laggy and crap, I don't think I can deal with it long term. It feels slower than my previous budget phone from the same period!
I know that there is only root available on LP, but does that prevent you making a MM custom rom? Surely you only need a custom recovery to be able to do this?
Thanks.
So I guess there is no developers left who care about this model...?
The model is AT&T's fraud, so of course not. Courses have been changed in court (and trade-in) before though, and in sideloading in 2015 when GeoHot's TowelRoot was adequate to go sporting with the secure boot bits and unlock the bootloader to set up alternative ROMs. AT&T (alone) claims to have 3500 security peeps on (which I guess you can test if you have a business contract or work for AT&T just to get half-timely patches.) Judging from the recent conference reports there is plenty of fooling the bootloader around to do; but it's harder to do if it's your daily driver, isn't it? Get your (TT/Helium?) backup regime set and try Woot.com for an HTC One M9 ($137ish?) until the ol' Snapdragon 801 / Knox 2.3 TZ get p0wned...publicly.
Betting that the Samsung Ethereum mining cluster made out of old S5s was not done without ROMming a few.
Lugralunoogos said:
The model is AT&T's fraud, so of course not. Courses have been changed in court (and trade-in) before though, and in sideloading in 2015 when GeoHot's TowelRoot was adequate to go sporting with the secure boot bits and unlock the bootloader to set up alternative ROMs. AT&T (alone) claims to have 3500 security peeps on (which I guess you can test if you have a business contract or work for AT&T just to get half-timely patches.) Judging from the recent conference reports there is plenty of fooling the bootloader around to do; but it's harder to do if it's your daily driver, isn't it? Get your (TT/Helium?) backup regime set and try Woot.com for an HTC One M9 ($137ish?) until the ol' Snapdragon 801 / Knox 2.3 TZ get p0wned...publicly.
Betting that the Samsung Ethereum mining cluster made out of old S5s was not done without ROMming a few.
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Thanks for your reply, though to be honest I don't really understand much of it beyond AT&T are gits.
What exactly makes an AT&T S5 different to any other version? Is it just some code in the bootloader?
tooplanx said:
Thanks for your reply, though to be honest I don't really understand much of it beyond AT&T are gits.
What exactly makes an AT&T S5 different to any other version? Is it just some code in the bootloader?
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Not exactly, but close. If the phone detects an operating system other than official software (or close-to-official) then the phone simply locks up and refuses to boot. It tells you to take the phone to an ATT store, but you really don't have to, you just have to flash official software back via ODIN.
I recently purchased 4 brand new sprint note 8's from Ebay (for a small company). In hindsight I think I should of opted for the unlocked version but I'm here now. My question is what would it take to unlock the phones and flash with unlocked software? I ask because I'm a little PO'ed that sprint takes away a few features native to Samsung (looking at you Hyia caller id). There's apps that can take care of all that, but that's besides the point.
I'm looking for pro's and cons to what that would do. Coming from a rooted S6 and having played with the note 8 I didn't see any reason to root until now. But I think if I root it locks me out of other features? Samsung Pay? And sprint won't fix if I make any insurance claim?
Is there any way to go through all that and then turn root back off? Again, coming from the S6 as my last bit of rooting experience (couldn't turn knox counter off, so Samsung pay never worked....).
Any suggestions?
tl;dr, should probably go with unlocked phones next time to avoid the bs
rob.mwpropane said:
should probably go with unlocked phones next time to avoid the bs
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Search function in the forum. Look for carrier switching. Are you using them for sprint?
If you go to unlocked XXA you will get the other features but loose wifi-calling and sprint calling plus.
You can download the new sprint zone form play store now so thats a non issue.
If you understand how to put together your own flash-able rom you could pull the stuff for sprint and add to xxa and get both parts but its not something ive seen floating around here.
Ultimately sprint has a paid version of Samsung feature for the caller id part, if thats the only thing you want there are a ton of other free alternative. (soft fix) Sprint isn't going to fix a personal issue you have with their device setup lol, they charge for premium caller id and Samsung/sprint wont change that part, most carriers charge for it as its "premium"
I have a optimized rom for the note 8 (sprint users) but you will be limited to 80% battery charge, spay and secure folder are broken. With the new safestrap recovery you can atleast un-root and re-root from the device to get around apps that scan for root and be able to use them, with my custom rom having edits in /system you will never achieve spay etc , this is reversible by just odin to stock software again and back to stock, the current root methods do not effect knox or warranty.
If i unlocked it can i use gsm sim form Bangladesh?