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[Q] Is Android 2.2 on galaxy like Nexus one? (because of Nexus CPU type)

Hi guys..
I sad Google developed 2.2 to improve snapdragon cpu and becuase of that the benchmarks shows 3X faster cpu on nexus,
will work 2.2 on galaxy like nexus ? or not for SGS cpu!
at all what you think about power of CPU/GPU in SGS on 2.2 ?
Is nexus cpu better than galaxy on Android 2.2 ?

The Galaxy's CPU/GPU is the best on the market right now and with 2.2 it should fix a lot of software problems with the SGS.

Actually can't wait for 2.2, and it's released around about my birthday!

When is your birthday

22nd September mate. You can buy me a Galaxy S as a spare if you want

well I have to see it first.
Guess Samsung finds a way to **** up the phone again i'm sure of that.

matty___ said:
well I have to see it first.
Guess Samsung finds a way to **** up the phone again i'm sure of that.
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If it has rfs file format and TouchWiz, consider it ****ed up.

kgk888 said:
If it has rfs file format and TouchWiz, consider it ****ed up.
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If froyo on the SGS sucks, then the chefs in here will cut it open and make it run properly and it won't matter what the FW was like when samsung sent it out. Also, TouchWiz is fine, even if it does have a dumb name.

I have been worried about this. The sgs line and droid line do not get over 15 in linpack with 2.2. I dont see the same increase in speed as I do with snapdragon based phones. I have read this is due to the snapdragon having 128 bit vs 64 bit something but cant find the forum post about this. The sgs line with 2.1 is still faster then a 2.2 snapdragon based phone but it must have the lag fix installed. Without the lag fix it is slower for sure. I will try to find the forum post about 128bit vs 64bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsAUR61ByM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji49qFNxC4c
Edit: found the forum post
Originally Posted by Gimic26
Your question was answered already...it comes down to processor architecture. Qualcomm's Snapdragon platform and more specifically the Scorpion application processor, while being related to TI's Omap Arm series, has enhancements made by Qualcomm. The part of the cpu that handles the SIMD instructions has a wider pipeline, 128 bits vs 64 bits in TI's Omap. Scorpion also has a deeper pipeline to better handle all that data which I'd assume offsets some of the performance benefits a little bit.
As far as the difference between the two benchmarks, they are written to benchmark two different things. Linpack can run almost entirely within the SIMD/NEON portion of the cpu thereby showing off the enhancements made by Qualcomm. Quadrant stresses the entire core showing off total system performance showing that only in certain situations will Snapdragon outperform any other Arm based core.

shep211 said:
I have been worried about this. The sgs line and droid line do not get over 15 in linpack with 2.2. I dont see the same increase in speed as I do with snapdragon based phones. I have read this is due to the snapdragon having 128 bit vs 64 bit something but cant find the forum post about this. The sgs line with 2.1 is still faster then a 2.2 snapdragon based phone but it must have the lag fix installed. Without the lag fix it is slower for sure. I will try to find the forum post about 128bit vs 64bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsAUR61ByM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji49qFNxC4c
Edit: found the forum post
Originally Posted by Gimic26
Your question was answered already...it comes down to processor architecture. Qualcomm's Snapdragon platform and more specifically the Scorpion application processor, while being related to TI's Omap Arm series, has enhancements made by Qualcomm. The part of the cpu that handles the SIMD instructions has a wider pipeline, 128 bits vs 64 bits in TI's Omap. Scorpion also has a deeper pipeline to better handle all that data which I'd assume offsets some of the performance benefits a little bit.
As far as the difference between the two benchmarks, they are written to benchmark two different things. Linpack can run almost entirely within the SIMD/NEON portion of the cpu thereby showing off the enhancements made by Qualcomm. Quadrant stresses the entire core showing off total system performance showing that only in certain situations will Snapdragon outperform any other Arm based core.
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From what I've seen and read, the 2.2 builds for the Galaxy S do NOT have a JIT compiler enabled which explains the lower scores. The N1 got the huge CPU boost from having JIT enabled. That doesn't explain the Droid X's scores, but then again I haven't read enough about 2.2 running on the DX to see if it has JIT installed.

What're you think? I'll buy SGS 2.1 or wait for SGS 2.2 ?
It's very important to buy most powerfull phone.
I like Nexuse cus it's tested sucssasfuly in Android 2.2 and I'm gono love SGS if it will be better than nexus in 2.2.
Help me to choose better path )

Vogie said:
What're you think? I'll buy SGS 2.1 or wait for SGS 2.2 ?
It's very important to buy most powerfull phone.
I like Nexuse cus it's tested sucssasfuly in Android 2.2 and I'm gono love SGS if it will be better than nexus in 2.2.
Help me to choose better path )
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I would wait at this time before purchasing an SGS if that's your concern.
Out of the box, the current phone/software is laggy and disappointing. If you're willing to hack it with some of the various fixes found here (I prefer samset with mimocan kernel), then you won't be unhappy with the phone, but there's no guarantee that Samsung will get FroYo right, and that if they do get it wrong that the devs here will be able to bring you a hot, non-laggy, super FroYo ROM before there's better, or at least comparable hardware done right by the manufacturer available.
That's no reflection on the devs here at all, I'm just thinking that Samsung won't release the firmware until the end of September, the devs will need a couple of weeks to make magic at least, and so now we're well into October. By October, the SGS will be a six month old phone. Six months is a very long time in the Android hardware world, and we'll likely see a landslide of new phones with faster CPU, maybe even dual-cores in the fall for the holiday season. The only thing the SGS will have over other phones at that point is the Super AMOLED screen by Samsung, since they're holding it all to themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if Moto or HTC try to kang the iPhone display tech for newer models if they can't get Super AMOLED for themselves.

In the android world it is nearly impossible to but a device that won't be out of date within at most a year and sometimes within 6 months.
Having said that, I don't see anything that will topple the sgs quite that soon. Although there is talk of dual core snap dragons, there has been nothing announced yet, and indeed the two new Desire handsets are still on the same chip.
I wouldn't expect to see anything that will have more raw power than the sgs until at least mid 2011. If there was anything closer than that it'd already be getting hyped.
If you keep looking at what is just over the horizon then you won't end up ever getting one, because there always seems to be something new out in a few months time. The sgs isn't prefect, but it beats the hell it of most anything that you'll be able to buy this year.
My humble opinion of course, but I think that if you want top end hardware, the sgs will serve you very well.
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Based on your responses so far, I'd just get an iPhone 4 and be done with it.
There are a lot of people here and elsewhere who are perfectly happy with the device. I for one haven't installed the lag fix and I don't experience any lags, except for the situations below:
1. I'm trying to do something while there are several apps being installed/downloaded from the marketplace in the background. I think this will be resolved with the dualcore next gen CPU's.
2. Using LauncherPro, for all that is good and nice on this earth, I do not know why it took me 3 months before the option to change the shortcut on its drawer was shown to me. Imagine that, 3 months just to show the option to add a shortcut. Jeezus. I click on add shortcut and it took 3 months. Someone shoot me. I'm using ADW now and am very happy.
Out of sheer curiosity, why is it that you need "THE MOST POWERFUL PHONE"?

shep211 said:
As far as the difference between the two benchmarks, they are written to benchmark two different things. Linpack can run almost entirely within the SIMD/NEON portion of the cpu thereby showing off the enhancements made by Qualcomm. Quadrant stresses the entire core showing off total system performance showing that only in certain situations will Snapdragon outperform any other Arm based core.
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The hummingbird core is widely recognized to be faster than the snapdragon core. Benchmarks do not tell you everything. Reference:
You might think that the Hummingbird doesn’t stand a chance against Qualcomm’s custom-built monster, but Samsung isn’t prepared to throw in the towel. In response to Snapdragon, they hired Intrinsity, a semiconductor company specializing in tweaking processor logic design, to customize the Cortex-A8 in the Hummingbird to perform certain binary functions using significantly less instructions than normal. Samsung estimates that 20% of the Hummingbird’s functions are affected, and of those, on average 25-50% less instructions are needed to complete each task. Overall, the processor can perform tasks 5-10% more quickly while handling the same 2 instructions per clock cycle as an unmodified ARM Cortex-A8 processor, and Samsung states it outperforms all other processors on the market (a statement seemingly aimed at Qualcomm).
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Here is a GPU comparison for some of the leading smartphones:
Motorola Droid: TI OMAP3430 with PowerVR SGX530 = 7-14 million(?) triangles/sec
Nexus One: Qualcomm QSD8x50 with Adreno 200 = 22 million triangles/sec
iPhone 3G S: 600 MHz Cortex-A8 with PowerVR SGX535 = 28 7 million triangles/sec
Samsung Galaxy S: S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 = 90 million triangles/sec
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Wait for G2 as nexus one is old news and i think they are winding down production. Frankly i love my sgs. Get it now cos frankly froyo is way over hyped compared to what sgs can do now with a lagfix
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ickyboo said:
Wait for G2 as nexus one is old news and i think they are winding down production. Frankly i love my sgs. Get it now cos frankly froyo is way over hyped compared to what sgs can do now with a lagfix
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You can't really say froyo is over hyped, I mean its free, and beyond that its an incremental upgrade.
I don't see why anyone would be staying on eclair once official froyo drops, and you can't deny that it will bring a performance boost.
Now I doubt it will bring quite as much of a boost as it gave to the N1 until we get a few months of development to really get it running sweetly, but all the same its still not over hyped if I ask me.
With optimized ROMs and whatever fixes we need (cuz samsung WILL break something) I figure the sgs will shred the N1's new scores. I recon we'll see around 3k in quadrant.
Considering how far ahead of almost everything a lag fixed non-stock-rom sgs is now, we'll see something really special once froyo starts rocking our crotches.
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The.Opethian said:
Based on your responses so far, I'd just get an iPhone 4 and be done with it.
There are a lot of people here and elsewhere who are perfectly happy with the device. I for one haven't installed the lag fix and I don't experience any lags, except for the situations below:
1. I'm trying to do something while there are several apps being installed/downloaded from the marketplace in the background. I think this will be resolved with the dualcore next gen CPU's.
2. Using LauncherPro, for all that is good and nice on this earth, I do not know why it took me 3 months before the option to change the shortcut on its drawer was shown to me. Imagine that, 3 months just to show the option to add a shortcut. Jeezus. I click on add shortcut and it took 3 months. Someone shoot me. I'm using ADW now and am very happy.
Out of sheer curiosity, why is it that you need "THE MOST POWERFUL PHONE"?
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Why powerfull phone? ok i'll tell u:
Because I don't like to buy an expensive phone (like SGS) that power is lesser than a chipper phone (like N1) !
Because I'd rather a phone without stalling (lagging) to play games and running big applications. I will very gray if i'll se lagging/stalling...
Because I need a phone with a good support (it's enough, don't need mazing support). a phone with a clear (alive or nice) Future

JIT for Hummingbird should be promising.

High Mem
anyone got any idea on the high mem issue?... when i was browsing the Gmarket.com, i realize 305 total available memory is not enough for me... and the web page just closed....

2+ Core Phones, Do we need them?

Since MWC is around the corner and Companies are already making announcements I ranted a bit about MultiCore phones. So like the Title says..
What do You think... Do Phones really need to have 2-4-6-8 cores?
My 2cents
To me the need for even two cores still seems over powered. My big complaint is that manufactures just want to ONE up the competition and add more and more even though it wouldn't be fully utilized by anyone in the foreseeable future.
For example. All these companies are slapping MultiCore phones and adding more ram and they aren't even really optimizing their software for the additional cores. It was android and it finally added MultiCore support with ICS, but companies were and still are releasing phones with 2cores running Froyo, Gingerbread that won't see ICS ever if not for devoted developers to Port it.
To me you can have the most fancy OS with all the Eye Candy you can think off and have it run off a Single(One) Core Processor just fine with no lag and 768MB of RAM and still have enough left for background apps if you focus on making your software efficient and optimized for that ONE core.
Look at WP7 sure its UI was over simplified, but it runs just fine with ONE core and 512MB of ram. And I've seen some very impressive Games run just fine on those phones. Unrelated to phones but look at how Windows (Desktop) handles RAM. Right now with just Chrome open with two tabs its using up 2GB of ram and this is a clean install. I just formatted my HDD and installed Chrome and updated to SP1 so there is no program prefetched. Ubuntu on this computer with just Chrome open only uses up 256-300MB of RAM because it was optimized for low ram machines. OSX86 SL on this computer only uses about about 300-500MB of ram.
So in the end all these multicore phones are doing is using up battery life to feed all these cores when the software hasn't been optimized for it. Now some processors shut off the additional cores when they aren't needed but even then only Games/apps that are aware of those cores will ever really use them.
Companies as they add more RAM and more cores add along with it bugged down crappy software and that just kills the purpose of all that power.
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There needs to be another high end mobile OS entering the market along with developers building more CPU demanding apps. That's the problem with android, its not universal like ios. And I don't want a apple vs android argument
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I think they needs to focus on the CPU speed rather then cores. I'd rather have a dual core phone running at 3.5ghz then a quad core running at 1.2
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What I think a company should do is focus on
Software > Battery > CPU/RAM
Because if you make you software RIGHT and perfect it then right from the get go you will notice huge performance with a single dual core processor.
Just imagine HTC sense with the speed of stock ICS on the Gnex or any other phone with Dual Core 1GB ram!
If companies like HTC focused on improving their UI with performance in mind, CPU makers at the same time will evolve and develop better smaller processors and will be cheaper then making a monster out of a phone only to cage it with half as UI's that suck.... Cuz we all know that a Single Core 1Ghz processor from today beats the crap out of a similar spec one from early 2000's
I dislike Apple but i gotta give them credit for focusing on iOS more then the actual iPhone.. If Android makers did the same and improved their crapware we wouldn't call it that.

I heard the multiple cores end up saving battery, especially in regards to the Tegra 3 because it has the companion core to take care of easy tasks like email syncing while the screen is off or whatever. The extra cores kick in when they're needed too, they're not constantly running when there's nothing going on. Most of the time, the extra ones are offline (see screenshots below).
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Do we really need hexacore computers? Even though most software doesn't really benefit from them? The majority of computer games rarely put more than 2 cores to any worthy use, the OS runs quite the same with 2 or 4 cores in general and for the most part only intensive applications even benefit from it at all (photo, video, CAD, 3D and so on). We still get them though, and often enough they don't use excessively more power than the previous generation with smaller, more efficient technology. Also, try running your ubuntu setup with an 800x480 res and a comparatively weak single 1ghz, 512mb shared ram setup. It'll struggle for air.
It is good to move into this realm with phones. Play around with a Galaxy S, then with a Galaxy S 2 - both in their pure touchwiz form. The S 2 simply blows away the original. Virtually no performance hitches throughout any usage you can imagine, and this is just an upgrade from single to dual core. New designs don't use any more power than predecessors, and often save power as described above. 4 active cores when needed (completely shut off when inactive), and a seperate low-power single core when there is something basic? Genius.
I'm all for phones with as many cores as they fit, as long as the designs of tomorrow are like the designs of today. I don't see any reason why they won't be, so what's the harm?

i dont think we need 2+ cores
my nexus s out performs most dual core phone when i had it on stock 4.0.3 @ 1ghz
not im on a custom rom @ 1.4ghz... its even better

qaz2453 said:
i dont think we need 2+ cores
my nexus s out performs most dual core phone when i had it on stock 4.0.3 @ 1ghz
not im on a custom rom @ 1.4ghz... its even better
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No offence but I really don't think it will, maybe at benchmarking because that's not really a full test of speed.

Dual cores and 1.5ghz seems like all we need...
I am running 1ghz on my epic4g with a nice rom and i never really have complaints about the single core and the 1ghz it always works.
Dual core would satisfy my needs

sensation lover said:
No offence but I really don't think it will, maybe at benchmarking because that's not really a full test of speed.
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The Nexus S routinely beats SOME dual core phones with the right kernel and ROM. I should know, I have one. That phone with Trinity kernel is a beast.
Wasn't me!! I didn't do it!

The more the merrier!
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For a long time i agreed with you completely, thinking more than two cores was fairly unnecessary, but after having recently looked into Ubuntu for Android and the Webtop application in the motorola atrix, i thought if our phones our powerful enough (4 or so cores), rather than have that power needlessly sitting there have our phones be able to run full desktop OS's. Ubuntu seems like the key candidate here, as i did enjoy my brief stint on there.
So too many cores does seem unnecessary just to one up the competition, but if we use that power to have a phone and desktop computer in one, then i am all for it!

qaz2453 said:
i dont think we need 2+ cores
my nexus s out performs most dual core phone when i had it on stock 4.0.3 @ 1ghz
not im on a custom rom @ 1.4ghz... its even better
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No, it gets a higher score in a benchmark that literally measures the frequency. I have a Nexus S and no matter how much i OC it doesn't compare to something like an SGS2.
Zorigo said:
For a long time i agreed with you completely, thinking more than two cores was fairly unnecessary, but after having recently looked into Ubuntu for Android and the Webtop application in the motorola atrix, i thought if our phones our powerful enough (4 or so cores), rather than have that power needlessly sitting there have our phones be able to run full desktop OS's. Ubuntu seems like the key candidate here, as i did enjoy my brief stint on there.
So too many cores does seem unnecessary just to one up the competition, but if we use that power to have a phone and desktop computer in one, then i am all for it!
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I agree with this entirely. Android, in its current state, is a Phone OS. In time I hope to see it gain many Desktop OS attributes, and right now we can already see Desktop OSes run on the phones. There is no reason to turn Android into one, but more processor power means we can turn our phones into a mini-computer worth using at a whim.
Unlike what seems to have happened with the iPhone 4S, the android dual cores don't guzzle through the battery like no tomorrow. Battery technology in it's current state is also limited. You want more mAh? Buy a bigger battery. Anything else is more often than not just a scam.

I think not nessesary in more cores.Simply stupid marketing to get your money.

Give me more ram, give me more cores, give me a decent screen, USB host and native Ubuntu... That way
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Give me more batary life.

animal-on said:
Give me more batary life.
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Indeed, instead of making the specifications better, they should focus on improving the battery live. Really, 1 day is horse**** compared to the Nokia phones in the early 2000's..

My two cents:
I recently upgraded from a MyTouch 3G Slide to a MyTouch 4G Slide... going from a 600MHz MSM7227 Qualcomm proc to a 1.2GHz MSM8260 Dual-core SnapDragon.
Now aside from the obvious bump in speed, what impressed me the most was improved battery efficiency - partly from the proc, partly from Android improvements. From what I have seen of the new Tegra 3 SoC, it basically has four system cores and one battery saver core, that runs with minimal draw when the phone is idling.
As with PC procs, I think we'll see near future software and operating systems that are able to make greater use of multi-core setups, while saving battery life.
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Here's a better question:
Why are hardware manufacturers so stingy with RAM and ROM!?
I can't believe that HTC or Samsung or Nokia would pay all that much more for 512MB of RAM as they would 2GB of RAM, right?
It just annoys me that we still have current onboard memory restrictions with so many devices in 2012

It's simple.If manufecturers will equip devices so fast of big memory,2 Gb for example,not so many people will buy new phone or tab.They will be waiting,because it's devices will works very fine with any apps.

I don't think people need all these extra cores, the only reason people think they do, is because stupid interfaces slowing the sh!+ out of their phones, if companies start concentrating on simpler UI, the need for all this RAM and CPU power will be gone, it's all part of the marketing plan, make things slower, tell people they need more cores, sell expensive phones and profit like a boss

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Hi all.I made this guide to help people to buy good device.As you all have experience of a worst device,a device which doesn't even run Decent app's or games and from now onwards lets atleast make sure that we buy a Good device
We usually GOOGLE about some good device's out there where we follow what actually the Website's say blindly,but i really don't prefer it.I dont prefer it 'cause the Reviewer usually thinks with a Normal User mentality.We should not only look out for better specs but also for Developer support.Here let's get independent and take the decision of buying phone's by ourself .​
ABOUT ANDROID-
Android is a software bunch comprising not only operating system but also middleware and key applications.Android is still very much the ARM instruction set and all Android open source build's are geared towards ARM processors.Android is an ARM-centric OS.Android is a powerful Operating System supporting a large number of applications in Smart Phones. These applications make life more comfortable and advanced for the users. Hardwares that support Android are mainly based on ARM architecture platformApplications
These are the basics of Android applications:
• Android applications are composed of one or more application components (activities, services, content providers, and broadcast receivers)
• Each component performs a different role in the overall application behavior, and each one can be activated individually (even by other applications)
• The manifest file must declare all components in the application and should also declare all application requirements, such as the minimum version of Android required and any hardware configurations required
• Non-code application resources (images, strings, layout files, etc.) should include alternatives for different device configurations (such as different strings for different languages)​​
THE ARM Processor Family(ABOUT PROCESSOR'S)​
ABOUT ARM :
ARM (Advance RISC machines) is a UK company that built's RISC processor's.ARM doesn't sell microphone's intead it linces it's technology to other companies along with the option to drop the Vanilla (non-modified) ARM core in their SoC (System On Chip).Many company's like Qualcom,nVidia create their own processor by using ARM design as Blue-print and yeah ARM has it's share in the profit .​
ABOUT SoC (System On Chip) :
The system on Chip is single peice of chip which comprises of CPU,GPU,memory controller ..etc . SoC may either have ARM or x86 core technology.It is a unique chip which is a package that has Baseband,host of controller's that are need to process data.SoC is one single chip which is fabricated with the above stated functions.SOC's are efficient and reduce memory overhead.Top notch Company's's like Qualcom,nVidia,Apple built their SOC's using the blue-print processor design provided by ARM​
INSTRUCTION SET :
These are special functions that has a processor can perform several stuff such as Arithmetic instruction,floating point,bit manipulation..etc . ARM support's a variety of instruction's like x86..etc..They also support 64-bit which are high and powerful performance computing chips,whereas 32-bit chips are low-powered,Little performance deliverer .. ARM also support complex instuctions like SIMD instructions​
THE ARM ARCHITECTURE :
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THE ARM CORE :
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4 . UPDATE'S OF ROM :
This is plagued by OEM'S or vendors.This is the main reson behind the stagnating with fragmentation's over verions .This is completely controlled by the device Vendor's .Though Samsung tops in place of providing update but that actually wont be that satisfactory...
Just make sure to check the developement status of the device which you decided to buy, here at XDA .Anyhow if you want a Future-proof device regarding the upgrades then better stick to Nexus Line Family device which are provided by the tech Gaint and Android owner "GOOGLE"​..​​​​
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LG G2
$650 unlocked (or under $200 with carrier subsidy). Also available starting at $470 on Swappa.
Close cousin to the Nexus 5, the LG G2 shares many of its internals with the N5. Though the device features a larger screen and a markedly better camera, it also is weighed down by an OEM skin that only a mother could love. Despite that, the device still packs solid performance, and with a little aftermarket development love, it can truly shine.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes (guide).
Unlockable? Loki Patch.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Official AOKP, OmniROM, CyanogenMod, and Paranoid Android available.
Multiboot? No.
Sony Xperia Z1
$609 unlocked. Also available starting at $450 on Swappa.
Sony’s flagship for late 2013 packs quite a punch in the specs department. The device features a super speedy processor, excellent camera, competent screen, and amazing developer friendliness from the OEM.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Unlockable? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Official OmniROM and CyanogenMod available.
Multiboot? No.
Moto X
$529 unlocked (or $99 with carrier subsidy). Also available starting at $390 on Swappa. Motorola’s flagship isn’t so much a flagship as it is an everyman’s phone.
Rather than cramming as many MHz and GB as possible into as think a device as possible, Motorola chose a different path. They instead came up with a few incredibly innovative software additions and tailored the hardware to match. As such, the Moto X doesn’t directly compete with the Samsung Galaxies and the HTC Ones of the world, at least not in raw specs, but it doesn’t have to. It’s a great device that offers solid performance and a reasonably good screen. And the touchless controls aren’t just the icing on the cake; they are the cake.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? RockMyMoto.
Recovery? Yes.
Unlockable? RockMyMoto
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Not at the moment. A few source-built ROMs including official PAC nightlies, but no official PA, Omni, or CM for the device.
Multiboot? No.
PHABLETS
Samsung Galaxy Note 3http://www.xda-developers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/samsung-galaxy-note-3-300x236.jpg
$645 unlocked (or under $300 with carrier subsidy). Also available starting at $550 on Swappa. When you need to do more, you can with various Samsung S Pen apps.
The Galaxy Note 3 continues to be the only very large phone that truly offers a “phablet” experience. Rather that simply making a very large phone, Samsung has made a device that is capable of doing fundamentally more than most phones. Now, you need to deal with TouchWiz in order to gain this functionality. But for many, the trade-off is well worth it.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Yes, but depends on variant.
Multiboot? No.
Sony Xperia Z Ultra
$520 unlocked. Also available starting at $430 on Swappa.
Although it lacks the S Pen functionality of Samsung’s Galaxy Note 3, the Xperia Z Ultra has one added trick up its sleeve: the recently launched Z Ultra Google Play edition. Due to their hardware similarities, it’s not unreasonable to assume that the GPe ROM will be ported over to the standard device, and that’s good news for Z Ultra owners everywhere!
OLDER FLAGSHIP DEVICES
HTC One
$540 unlocked. Also starting at $329 on Swappa.
HTC Started the year off strong with the HTC One. When we covered the launch back in March, we were quite impressed with the device’s stunning screen, speedy processor, tasteful skin, and beautiful build quality. While the phone is no longer one of the fastest devices available, it is still a powerful device for those looking for a sculpted work of art, rather than the bleeding edge in mobile tech.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Unlockable? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Official OmniROM and CyanogenMod, depending on variant.
Multiboot? Yes!
Google Edition Conversion? Yes!
Samsung Galaxy S 4
$560 unlocked. Also starting at $380 on Swappa.
While it’s starting to fall behind in the specs war compared to newer devices, Samsung’s Galaxy S 4 still packs quite a bit of power, a fantastic screen, great battery life, a nice camera, and expandable storage. Furthermore, the device has a healthy development community with more mods, tweaks, ROMs, and kernels than you can shake a stick at.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Varies depending on variant, but generally yes.
Oppo Find 5
$500 unlocked. Also starting at $310 on Swappa.
The Oppo Find 5 is a great device with a fantastic camera and impeccable screen. Its Snapdragon S4 Pro is no longer the fastest SoC available, but it can still breeze through most tasks without any slowdown. Finally, Oppo’s developer-friendly attitude earns it a place among all the heavyweights.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Official AOKP, Paranoid Android, and CyanogenMod.
On a Budget
Moto G
$179 (8 GB) or $199 (16 GB) direct.
This one’s simple. If you’ve only got $200 or less, and you want an unlocked phone, get a Moto G. It’s a solid phone at an utterly fantastic price. Developer support isn’t quite there yet, but with such good price/performance, we can’t imagine it being too far.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Unlockable? Through Motorola.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? better than galaxy ace-i's
CREDITS: xda holiday guide 2013

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Are you sure you don't want to credit also BroadCom for the knowledge they gave you and us? They teached us to never buy a BCM-powered device again (except for a Raspberry Pi maybe :fingercrossed: )
Reserved, just in case
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Giupy 99 said:
Are you sure you don't want to credit also BroadCom for the knowledge they gave you and us? They teached us to never buy a BCM-powered device again (except for a Raspberry Pi maybe :fingercrossed: )
Reserved, just in case
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Sure buddy .. lol

But i believe Dev support is because Moto G just arrived, we haven't seen much of what it can do until now. I believe it and Moto X are the best by relation price/benefit.

Note 3 the Best!

mathm2013 said:
But i believe Dev support is because Moto G just arrived, we haven't seen much of what it can do until now. I believe it and Moto X are the best by relation price/benefit.
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Believe me ,after Moto-G releases worldwide it might have Good developer support .. It might even have official support from CM,PAC,OmNI dev's ..
Motorola released the source code of Moto-x ,day before yesterday ..so in near future ,they might be releasing Moto-G source code along with device drivers ..

I like this phone!
Hey!
I like cooperve. Fact that there are complications made me to think more about all android. Right now I'm not so stupid as many people in supper-device-support-forum who are asking for any stupid thing. Compiling your own kernel because You want more freqs and ext2 (not ext4), and trying to trick device (Samsung reported 384MB RAM, CONFIG_CMDLINE uses 362MB, we have 289MB. I've increased CMDLINE to 364MB and nearly bricked device, but OS reported me 291MB Ha! ["?CONFIG_?"CMDLINE_FORCE=y]). Creating your own ROM (ROM created by someone else but You must customize it before flash). But I understand. I've bought this device for fun (I'm doing only this with all electronical equipment [even fridge]) and You don't must like this device.
My next step wil be GTAB2 + XPERIAZ.

misha1996 said:
Note 3 the Best!
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One can buy it only if you enough money in your Hands ..
640 dollars buddy

Mr.Gentleman said:
One can buy it only if you enough money in your Hands ..
640 dollars buddy
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Not only money. Gotta see if it fits on your hand

Prestigio's phones are good with dual sim cards and big displays. Prestigio Website

Flamestorm said:
Prestigio's phones are good with dual sim cards and big displays. Prestigio Website
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Oh ! Great ! ..
Their are many many vendors which produce Good device at a reliable price but still the developer support will take us back ..
Their is a Local company in India called "MicroMax" this company actually became the whistle blower after releasing it's Canvas Device Family .. Even top companies like samsung,hTc faced tuff competition from this Canvas family device's ..But still this Great Company is called as "Re-Branded chinese device" (atleast refered as, by iamareebjamal) .. In similiar way every local company is called as "Chinese device" ,though it ain't ..
And great news guys ..tech Gaint Nokia is going to release its first Android device .. If they do,then samsung will be living in shadows of Nokia as it was some 4-6 years ago ..

Mr.Gentleman said:
And great news guys ..tech Gaint Nokia is going to release its first Android device .. If they do,then samsung will be living in shadows of Nokia as it was some 4-6 years ago ..
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dont excite bro. i was heard that a while ago but now ive heard a new info about that nokia isnt gonna release an android device they will go with wp.
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Nokia Normandy was supposed to be the first Nokia Android device. It was code name for a device on which they were testing Android. But I don't know what is going to happen that changes the mind of a company which refused Android on the first hand, specially, after it's under Microsoft's control

iamareebjamal said:
Nokia Normandy was supposed to be the first Nokia Android device. It was code name for a device on which they were testing Android. But I don't know what is going to happen that changes the mind of a company which refused Android on the first hand, specially, after it's under Microsoft's control
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Anyway Nokia took Wrong choice .They wanted to bring something out-of-box by taking Windows as their primary OS ... Unfortunately they hit the wrong store .
Though Microsoft's Metro UI and lumia family is good , they lost in options of Customization and in the Availability of Apps . ..
Anyway Jolla is Quite Awesome.. (must check it out ! )

Mr.Gentleman said:
Anyway Jolla is Quite Awesome.. (must check it out ! )
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yeah sailfish os is quite awesome i loved it but i think its expensive for that hardware. i would buy it if its 300€
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Loved The second Post mahn. GG ^_^
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Lalit Patil said:
Loved The second Post mahn. GG ^_^
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Glad you like it .
Sooner or later i'm gonna add about best Tablet's in #3 post

For those who absolutely want an Android Lumia, there's a phone called "Nokia N9" which has an OS (MeeGO, the base of Jolla Sailfish) that is based on Linux. Some devs ported ICS and JB on it, take a look on YouTube
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[XTREMSEGRAPHICS][NFS NO LIMITS]How to increase graphics quality in NFS NL

Hi guys. Have you ever been fascinated by the playstore preview of Need For Speed : No Limits, downloaded it, and being irrevocably heartbroken after seeing it's output in our devices? If you did, then I got a good news for you. If you didn't, do so as fast as you can because at the end of the thread, you'll find that to be one of the best android racing games of all time.
First things first. Let's be clear about why it produces such lame graphics on our device by default. Nowadays Android games are made up of scalable shaders, which is nothing but scalable models and effects. "Scalable" here stands for the opportunity to rescale them to appropriate resolution for the appropriate device. This lessens the amount of the work to be done by the developer. Instead of creating separate models for each device resolution, they build scalable models, and then provides some auto-calibration algorithm to dynamically rescale them for the available device. This is where the main story lies. The algorithm they provide ensures maximum performance, therefore easily casuing haywire with the graphics. Exactly this is the reason why it produces such a lame graphics when it can do much more.
So, the remedy?
Ok here's it. Download the file attached. Rename it to graphicsSettings.json. Place it in internal_sd/Android/data/com.ea.game.nfs14_row/files/var folder. Replace existing graphicsSettings.json. And voilà.
You'll now get reflections, collidables, improved car details, amazing car effects, dynamic lighting, dynamic vinyls, realistic car scratches, massive sound and much more. Remember, this all requires high computing, so using LateAutumn kernel will yield much more better performance than any others. Not sure about 1GB versions.
Tested to work on Redmi 2 Prime 2014818, Resurrection Remix 5.8.0 with LA 4.1 and stock MIUI Global Developer ROM 6.11.24.

I have a manifest.json file inside the zip of the game and i don't even know how to use it and game is not opening at all

[ROM][13][UNOFFICIAL] LineageOS 20.0 for Redmi 9A (Garden)

/*
* We are not responsible for bricked devices, dead SD cards,
* thermonuclear war, or you getting fired because the alarm app failed. Please
* do some research if you have any concerns about features included in this ROM
* before flashing it! YOU are choosing to make these modifications, and if
* you point the finger at us for messing up your device, We will laugh at you.
* It is your fault because you chose to do all the modifications on your device.
* Remember projects like these and the work done on them is a hobby to the
* contributors and the team members, no one is working for you nor is getting paid for it
* have some respect for the work done by them since it is done purely on interest or a hobby
*/
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WHAT WORKS?:
-Wi-Fi - vendor q needed
-BlueTooth - vendor q needed
-RIL
-GPS
-- WHAT DOESN'T WORK? --
Smoothness, thats it
if there are more bugs please report them​Official LineageOS Site: lineageos.org​H O W T O C L E A N I N S T A L L​
1. Use Reccomended recovery (OrangeFox)
2. Wipe Cache & Dalvik data
3. and Format Data
4. Flash vendor Q
5. Flash ROM
6. Reboot
(optional) 7. After Configuring (or turning on the OS) install GAPPS in recovery.
Hope it works
DOWNLOAD LINKS:
ROM
VENDOR Q
SOURCE CODE: S O U R C E

hej maksieku!

txpiq said:
hej maksieku!
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Hello! If you like my work, please rate it. Thanks!

All i know is that this phone is not very stable , in android 12 onwards.
So i wouldn't use it, even MIUI is stuck in Android 11 for this device. They have it in A11 for a good reason.

jdd1996 said:
All i know is that this phone is not very stable , in android 12 onwards.
So i wouldn't use it, even MIUI is stuck in Android 11 for this device. They have it in A11 for a good reason.
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I just found out yesterday that Xiaomi isn't updating it to Android 12, which brought me here, to look up for new ROMs. You said "they have it in A11 for a good reason", referring to it not being very stable. I'm curious. Why do you say so?

glofern97 said:
I just found out yesterday that Xiaomi isn't updating it to Android 12, which brought me here, to look up for new ROMs. You said "they have it in A11 for a good reason", referring to it not being very stable. I'm curious. Why do you say so?
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Bare with me for 5-12 mins. You or may not agree with me, but it works like this in many ocassions.
Let's say i have a AMD A-5200 CPU , which is a cpu from 2013.
OR - Let's say i have a Intel Pentium 4 P4 - 2.0Ghz from the year 2008
OK? ok the example starts with 2 weak cpu's from ANCIENT TIMES now...
What OS can/would you install in those CPU's?
A Pentium 4 2.0 has 400 MHz. EACH 100mhz translates more or less to 5-15 khz of electrical power the cpu needs to process the information, the data.
Since its so weak, in windows10 or 11 when you open microsoft word 2020 or open office, it will LAG! because the overlay/background OS' is already consuming around 200ghz, all those 400 mhz of cpu power
(Animations, and Cortana, and simply the theme of the wallpaper, and the Registry, and Services, AND even USB peripherical drivers ARE ALL CONSUMING CPU POWER AT ONCE, and at high demands because the OS' Requests it with its kernel )
Since the core memory is so weak! you will most likely be installing windows xp or windows 7 if you're lucky !
BUT if you install windows 11 or 10, you will face unconsistent algorythmical graphic/memory processes
(This is what we call lag) core processing and clock problems, " MEMORY LEAKING problems " or over saturations of the system.
A CPU CONTAINS something called MMU's Memory management unit's, well they start to become obsolete unless you reball and resolder the cpu,
SAME applies if i tried to install LATEST FEDORA OR ARCH LINUX OS's , right? WHY would there be problems?
Because kernels are being update to be version 6.2 today, and that demands a constant clock and processing.
For the AMD A6-5200, Linux and windows 7 would be good options, but for the Pentium 4 2.0ghz of 2008 only windows 7 and Linux with low kernel version of 5 or 5.2 are acceptable.
So these techs at xiomi think similarly, on top of that the Storage of the OS increases, the RAM demand, CPU demand increases with each version, so when you boot your game (mostly the demanding apps) when you boot your designer pen drawing app, IT WILL LAG , perhaps not noticeably for the user in android 12 or 13, BUT AS VERSIONS WILL CONTINUE TO PASS, in Android 13-14 , we will see how this Xiomi Redmi 9A , ITS PROCESSOR and its weak 2gb will not be enough to process/render the datas and assets of the newest OS's
hahaha all that to say, sorry i got inspired " They need to optimize the OS's in the future maybe then we may be able to install newer OS's on older phones " Its like putting android 12 on an Android 8.1 Oreo phone, you understand? First of all an error will prompt saying " Allocating space of data : Error insufficient Space " AND EVEN IF YOU HAD THE SPACE? Lets say we hack the phone and give it 64gb of memory, and give it perfect partitions. ONCE IT BOOTS It will actually have problems, lag, while using the demanding apps.
The newer OS's Versions request mooore Ram , moore CPU powa, more storage space that redmi 9a doesn't have! uhum !
why? cuz the functions actually got smarter uhum !
Dont you see how newer phones have 64 gb of space all by default, tecnology thinks to advance and milk people over and over. They could add 200 gb of space, but no... (Lets wait until its necessary so we can reap the people)
One day an OS SYSTEM will be 25-35 and even 45GB SIZE ! AND THAT DAY YOUR 64 Gb will look like its too small, so you will need to buy the 120-200gb version phone.
Our PC motherboards, cpu's, phones all get old and so obsolete with time, all we can do is recycle them, melt them and make a new modern one, resolder, reball them. That's just how the modern industry works today. You cant just hope to upgrade your old junk/Hardware with the latest Software. One day we will get Android 15, A17 too its already planned ! and this phone will not run it, forget it , hoperfully we will be using opensource Linux OS's even more optimized tweaked than what google and these companies can do in the future. NOT BASED on Android 15 or 17.
You cant just hope to put the new hotdog on the old bread. At least not with the current technology/society

Please, can anyone who's installed this ROM report on whether or not manual camera controls (technically referred to as camera2 API) are available on this ROM either while using a 3rd party camera app (like Manual Camera, Open Camera, etc) or the LOS camera.
I'm considering going from MIUI 12.5 on Redmi 9A to this ROM.
Thanks.

jdd1996 said:
Bare with me for 5-12 mins. You or may not agree with me, but it works like this in many ocassions.
Let's say i have a AMD A-5200 CPU , which is a cpu from 2013.
OR - Let's say i have a Intel Pentium 4 P4 - 2.0Ghz from the year 2008
OK? ok the example starts with 2 weak cpu's from ANCIENT TIMES now...
What OS can/would you install in those CPU's?
A Pentium 4 2.0 has 400 MHz. EACH 100mhz translates more or less to 5-15 khz of electrical power the cpu needs to process the information, the data.
Since its so weak, in windows10 or 11 when you open microsoft word 2020 or open office, it will LAG! because the overlay/background OS' is already consuming around 200ghz, all those 400 mhz of cpu power
(Animations, and Cortana, and simply the theme of the wallpaper, and the Registry, and Services, AND even USB peripherical drivers ARE ALL CONSUMING CPU POWER AT ONCE, and at high demands because the OS' Requests it with its kernel )
Since the core memory is so weak! you will most likely be installing windows xp or windows 7 if you're lucky !
BUT if you install windows 11 or 10, you will face unconsistent algorythmical graphic/memory processes
(This is what we call lag) core processing and clock problems, " MEMORY LEAKING problems " or over saturations of the system.
A CPU CONTAINS something called MMU's Memory management unit's, well they start to become obsolete unless you reball and resolder the cpu,
SAME applies if i tried to install LATEST FEDORA OR ARCH LINUX OS's , right? WHY would there be problems?
Because kernels are being update to be version 6.2 today, and that demands a constant clock and processing.
For the AMD A6-5200, Linux and windows 7 would be good options, but for the Pentium 4 2.0ghz of 2008 only windows 7 and Linux with low kernel version of 5 or 5.2 are acceptable.
So these techs at xiomi think similarly, on top of that the Storage of the OS increases, the RAM demand, CPU demand increases with each version, so when you boot your game (mostly the demanding apps) when you boot your designer pen drawing app, IT WILL LAG , perhaps not noticeably for the user in android 12 or 13, BUT AS VERSIONS WILL CONTINUE TO PASS, in Android 13-14 , we will see how this Xiomi Redmi 9A , ITS PROCESSOR and its weak 2gb will not be enough to process/render the datas and assets of the newest OS's
hahaha all that to say, sorry i got inspired " They need to optimize the OS's in the future maybe then we may be able to install newer OS's on older phones " Its like putting android 12 on an Android 8.1 Oreo phone, you understand? First of all an error will prompt saying " Allocating space of data : Error insufficient Space " AND EVEN IF YOU HAD THE SPACE? Lets say we hack the phone and give it 64gb of memory, and give it perfect partitions. ONCE IT BOOTS It will actually have problems, lag, while using the demanding apps.
The newer OS's Versions request mooore Ram , moore CPU powa, more storage space that redmi 9a doesn't have! uhum !
why? cuz the functions actually got smarter uhum !
Dont you see how newer phones have 64 gb of space all by default, tecnology thinks to advance and milk people over and over. They could add 200 gb of space, but no... (Lets wait until its necessary so we can reap the people)
One day an OS SYSTEM will be 25-35 and even 45GB SIZE ! AND THAT DAY YOUR 64 Gb will look like its too small, so you will need to buy the 120-200gb version phone.
Our PC motherboards, cpu's, phones all get old and so obsolete with time, all we can do is recycle them, melt them and make a new modern one, resolder, reball them. That's just how the modern industry works today. You cant just hope to upgrade your old junk/Hardware with the latest Software. One day we will get Android 15, A17 too its already planned ! and this phone will not run it, forget it , hoperfully we will be using opensource Linux OS's even more optimized tweaked than what google and these companies can do in the future. NOT BASED on Android 15 or 17.
You cant just hope to put the new hotdog on the old bread. At least not with the current technology/society
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I appreciate your detailed response. So the bottom line is that it's not advisable to put a Ferrari's engine in a Beetle. Also, about what you said, a future smartphone taking 45 GB of HD for system space is wild lol
I bought a Xiaomi Redmi 9A last month and I didn't know it could be so laggy. It works fine for the most part, but there are times I see some noticeable lag, probably because of the reason you mentioned, i.e. A11 (MIUI 12.5) is consuming a lot of its spare 2 GB RAM, though I think this is probably more caused by MIUI and its bloatware than purely Android 11 alone. I have Lineage OS 19 (which is A12) installed on a Galaxy S6, whose hardware specs are somewhat similar to Redmi 9A, and it doesn't cause any noticeable lag. I suspect that installing A11/A12 (but not MIUI!) on Redmi 9A may increase its performance, since it doesn't come with bloatware. What do you think?

glofern97 said:
I appreciate your detailed response. So the bottom line is that it's not advisable to put a Ferrari's engine in a Beetle. Also, about what you said, a future smartphone taking 45 GB of HD for system space is wild lol
I bought a Xiaomi Redmi 9A last month and I didn't know it could be so laggy. It works fine for the most part, but there are times I see some noticeable lag, probably because of the reason you mentioned, i.e. A11 (MIUI 12.5) is consuming a lot of its spare 2 GB RAM, though I think this is probably more caused by MIUI and its bloatware than purely Android 11 alone. I have Lineage OS 19 (which is A12) installed on a Galaxy S6, whose hardware specs are somewhat similar to Redmi 9A, and it doesn't cause any noticeable lag. I suspect that installing A11/A12 (but not MIUI!) on Redmi 9A may increase its performance, since it doesn't come with bloatware. What do you think?
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I correct myself Android 13-14 can run on this phone, we have swap memory, and ways to increase the size of it, today i added 6GB of Swap memory. It makes the phone faster by 15%-20% (That can help to compensate)
But yes, at some point there will be too much size and beef inside a ROM, each linux distro today is 16 gb, they plan to drive Android to have even more functionalities, more compatibility with the pc, a more polished level, the system will get a bit bigger and become sluggish at some point, unless someone does something about it right, thats where the open source developers come in? But by personal experience, i use android since 2012, HTC ONE S, Blu Studio G2 HD, Samsung Galaxy S5 -- the higher you go in Version, the more lag you will encounter for gaming, or daily usage (SPECIALLY IF YOU USE MTK- Mediatek Cpu like this phone has, mtk is very bad compared to snapdragon, and the years of experience have proven it )
For this phone im using Android 11 CRDroid - This is my daily driver
CRDroid v316 GSI (Variant of AOSP-Phh-treble + CRDroid)
You're stuck on MIUI 12.5.4.0 and you cant flash a working custom recovery? You're too lazy or too newbish to build your own? Cant flash any Custom Rom? Well you can just learn how to flash these TREBLE PHH Images, GSI-AOSP based images. Here i...
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jdd1996 said:
I correct myself Android 13-14 can run on this phone, we have swap memory, and ways to increase the size of it, today i added 6GB of Swap memory. It makes the phone faster by 15%-20% (That can help to compensate)
But yes, at some point there will be too much size and beef inside a ROM, each linux distro today is 16 gb, they plan to drive Android to have even more functionalities, more compatibility with the pc, a more polished level, the system will get a bit bigger and become sluggish at some point, unless someone does something about it right, thats where the open source developers come in? But by personal experience, i use android since 2012, HTC ONE S, Blu Studio G2 HD, Samsung Galaxy S5 -- the higher you go in Version, the more lag you will encounter for gaming, or daily usage (SPECIALLY IF YOU USE MTK- Mediatek Cpu like this phone has, mtk is very bad compared to snapdragon, and the years of experience have proven it )
For this phone im using Android 11 CRDroid - This is my daily driver
CRDroid v316 GSI (Variant of AOSP-Phh-treble + CRDroid)
You're stuck on MIUI 12.5.4.0 and you cant flash a working custom recovery? You're too lazy or too newbish to build your own? Cant flash any Custom Rom? Well you can just learn how to flash these TREBLE PHH Images, GSI-AOSP based images. Here i...
forum.xda-developers.com
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It seems MediaTek CPU is not only slower in terms of performance, but also hard to work with when intending to use a custom ROM. I haven't found any official release of a custom ROM for this phone model, "dandelion". LineageOS, Pixel Experience and alike websites; none of them list it. Looking up, it seems this is because there's no open-source version of a firmware for MediaTek chipsets. Lesson learnt to stay away from it on my future purchases.
I may try out the custom ROM you shared if I get stressed enough with the lags. Thanks!

glofern97 said:
It seems MediaTek CPU is not only slower in terms of performance, but also hard to work with when intending to use a custom ROM. I haven't found any official release of a custom ROM for this phone model, "dandelion". LineageOS, Pixel Experience and alike websites; none of them list it. Looking up, it seems this is because there's no open-source version of a firmware for MediaTek chipsets. Lesson learnt to stay away from it on my future purchases.
I may try out the custom ROM you shared if I get stressed enough with the lags. Thanks!
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I love how you said it hahaha , Placing a 2020 Ferrari engine inside a little Bettle or 1998 Ford Fiesta, correct !
It wont fit, or it will have problems, well i come from Android 2.0 , 4.1 , 6.0 marshmellow. I know very well in my old phones i cant flash android 10-11 onwards. Specially because the Internal Memory is of 8 or 16gb , very small.
And because of performance.
Oh yes Xiaomi would never release anything official for Custom Roms hahaha thats like asking the developer to give up on their own creation MIUI ... Which is something i doubt those chinese people can do, they cant even speak proper english. They are all about limiting the user, control their environment, milk them slowly by forcing them to buy many devices, take advantage of their ignorance and bloat their device, polute and make the user feel bad because that makes the client more compulsive, block root with accounts, sell their data, prevent rolling back versions, yet sell at cheap price so that poor people buy us always. Even a Samsung Galaxy S5 from 2015 is faster than this phone and more capable of doing more Linux functions.
It all has a "Chinese" psychology.
There are certainly Roms for mediatek , thats why AOSP Phhusson was released was created too. Mediatek is not only a bit confusing to work with but also Mediatek is simply limited in terms of kernel functions and performance in many devices, yes. Today i can straight forwardly say " Its crap or not so good compared to snapdragon-qualcom " its like comparing AMD GPU with Nvidia right? AMD - Snapdragon are the straight winners for me inside the Linux Kernel. Linux Environment. Nvidia is only good for Windows lately. Right now im trying to create a Regulatory.db , Regulatory.bin , trying to build a new CRDA - Central Regulatory Domain Agent inside this mediatek phone, to increase our wifi range, and its confusing for rookies, indeed. Its like they're telling us in our faces " You cannot change that, thats ilegal " BUT IM A HUMAN BEING I WANNA CHANGE THAT ! i wanna have incredible wifi range, or fry my chip by putting txpower 60 or 30 , who are you to prevent me from doing whatever i want Mediatek or Xiaomi?
ALSO this phone COULD have monitor mode, negated ,they cancelled that with the cpu and the programmed instructions. The kernel, who are you to take away my wifi modes? WHICH HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PRESENT inside ANY Linux Desktop!! So no moral for them to take away functions from the device thats is NEWER.
They basically insulted us, i bought it just to see the insult and now i kinda just play with this phone seeking to fry it or hack it/improve it, i really dont care anymore about what happens to it. But looking forward for the best.
If we do lsmod on the terminal with root. This phone has wmt_chrdev_wifi - wmt_drv which are actually Linux generic conventional names for wifi chips/drivers -- This obfuscated wifi chip/driver name could actually be a
" MT6631 wifi chip " OR " WCN685x " or " mt7615 " either way this chipset could be from 2012-2013, so they placed a 2012 piece on a 2020 phone. The fact that simple commands dont work
mt6357_accdet is actually the name of the IC controller for LED screen and battery.
If we do getprop | grep baseband
The RADIO for SIM CARD, is called LCSH_QOMP1_MT6762_SP (LWCTG_6177M_G)
But everything is so obfuscated and hidden, closed source.
Either way other Older Wifi Chipsets are 2-8 times better than this one. 2014 wifi chip with monitor mode - mt7612 - 5 times stronger. You know why they placed an older chip without mon mode on a new phone? Cuz they know it can get dangerous, but thats not the right approach with us. They messed up big time. They're winning enemies. Witchcraft. They have no idea what HACKING - PROGRAMMING truly means, or how far it can go, once we hack existence and the Soul, we program reality further than the physical and the visual, we're gonna be on the real domain.

jdd1996 said:
I love how you said it hahaha , Placing a 2020 Ferrari engine inside a little Bettle or 1998 Ford Fiesta, correct !
It wont fit, or it will have problems, well i come from Android 2.0 , 4.1 , 6.0 marshmellow. I know very well in my old phones i cant flash android 10-11 onwards. Specially because the Internal Memory is of 8 or 16gb , very small.
And because of performance.
Oh yes Xiaomi would never release anything official for Custom Roms hahaha thats like asking the developer to give up on their own creation MIUI ... Which is something i doubt those chinese people can do, they cant even speak proper english. They are all about limiting the user, control their environment, milk them slowly by forcing them to buy many devices, take advantage of their ignorance and bloat their device, polute and make the user feel bad because that makes the client more compulsive, block root with accounts, sell their data, prevent rolling back versions, yet sell at cheap price so that poor people buy us always. Even a Samsung Galaxy S5 from 2015 is faster than this phone and more capable of doing more Linux functions.
It all has a "Chinese" psychology.
There are certainly Roms for mediatek , thats why AOSP Phhusson was released was created too. Mediatek is not only a bit confusing to work with but also Mediatek is simply limited in terms of kernel functions and performance in many devices, yes. Today i can straight forwardly say " Its crap or not so good compared to snapdragon-qualcom " its like comparing AMD GPU with Nvidia right? AMD - Snapdragon are the straight winners for me inside the Linux Kernel. Linux Environment. Nvidia is only good for Windows lately. Right now im trying to create a Regulatory.db , Regulatory.bin , trying to build a new CRDA - Central Regulatory Domain Agent inside this mediatek phone, to increase our wifi range, and its confusing for rookies, indeed. Its like they're telling us in our faces " You cannot change that, thats ilegal " BUT IM A HUMAN BEING I WANNA CHANGE THAT ! i wanna have incredible wifi range, or fry my chip by putting txpower 60 or 30 , who are you to prevent me from doing whatever i want Mediatek or Xiaomi?
ALSO this phone COULD have monitor mode, negative ,they cancelled that with the cpu and the programmed instructions. The kernel, who are you to take away my wifi modes? WHICH HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PRESENT inside ANY Linux Desktop!! So no moral for them to take away functions from the device thats is NEWER.
They basically insulted us, i bought it just to see the insult and now i kinda just play with this phone seeking to fry it or hack it/improve it, i really dont care anymore about what happens to it. But looking forward for the best.
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Interesting way to look at it. Seeing phones as a political strategy of customer control and profiting out of their data. I hadn't thought this way, but makes sense lol After all, Chinese government is all about limiting and controlling people...
It seems your use case is different than mine. I bought this phone only because I was needing a dual-chip phone for my daily usage (Galaxy S6 is single chip), and it was on a promotion. I had heard good things of Xiaomi from friends who bought their phones, although they hadn't bought this one model specifically. I would really like to use a custom ROM, but the unofficial ones aren't "bulletproof" for this device, as users have reported some bugs. It's safer to stay in the stock ROM side for the time being
I looked up on this Project Treble. Interesting stuff. They are trying to abstract away the firmware code if I understand it correctly. Does that mean that there's hope for MediaTek devices to get support in the future and work smoothly with A13 custom ROMs?

jdd1996 said:
Samsung Galaxy S5 from 2015 is faster than this phone ....
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I can confirm that my LG V20 (released in 2016 but purchased in 2021) can run circles around this Redmi 9A (which I also own), granted one is a flagship with 4GB/64GB while the other is entry-level with 2GB/32GB. But I didn't expect the performance gap to be this wide given the years in between. On the Redmi 9A (2GB), multitasking is 99% impossible; lag is terrible (even double tap to wake is 60% a failure due to lag). I'm not a developer, but I think Xiaomi cut too many corners with the storage speed and/or RAM rather than the processor itself. That's why I'm hoping a lighter ROM like this one can help.

MaverickNextDoor said:
I can confirm that my LG V20 (released in 2016 but purchased in 2021) can run circles around this Redmi 9A (which I also own), granted one is a flagship with 4GB/64GB while the other is entry-level with 2GB/32GB. But I didn't expect the performance gap to be this wide given the years in between. On the Redmi 9A (2GB), multitasking is 99% impossible; lag is terrible (even double tap to wake is 60% a failure due to lag). I'm not a developer, but I think Xiaomi cut too many corners with the storage speed and/or RAM rather than the processor itself. That's why I'm hoping a lighter ROM like this one can help.
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I did some testing yesterday on another phone I have here, a Samsung Galaxy S4, which has 2GB RAM and runs on Lineage OS 18 (A11). It shouldn't be a surprise that this Galaxy S4 does way better multitasking than Redmi 9A.
I compared the usage of RAM for Android System in the Memory Usage settings app, and it turns out that they are roughly using the same amount of RAM. MIUI's use is around 600 MB, whereas Lineage OS is around 500 MB. That is, only 100 MB of difference. From that, one can assume that it's rather the processor usage that sucks: MIUI is probably using more CPU resources to run its "good-looking", yet heavy interface, whereas LineageOS doesn't, since its interface is simpler.
The downside of those older phones is that their battery drains out way faster. Redmi 9A's battery lasts for a whole day with Wi-Fi turned on. That's one upside of this phone

Lets hope for easier kernel installs, low sized and performance optimized roms in the future. I suggest waiting, for Android 14-15. When the projects and batches are out patched, improved, tested, we can then cater. Yes the phone boots at least haha. 2Gb ram, Helio 25 ! arm32_binder64 - A64 bits !

Maksieku.Tech said:
WHAT WORKS?:
-Wi-Fi - vendor q needed
-BlueTooth - vendor q needed
-RIL
-GPS
-- WHAT DOESN'T WORK? --
Smoothness, thats it
if there are more bugs please report them​Official LineageOS Site: lineageos.org​H O W T O C L E A N I N S T A L L​
1. Use Reccomended recovery (OrangeFox)
2. Wipe Cache & Dalvik data
3. and Format Data
4. Flash vendor Q
5. Flash ROM
6. Reboot
(optional) 7. After Configuring (or turning on the OS) install GAPPS in recovery.
Hope it works
DOWNLOAD LINKS:
ROM
VENDOR Q
SOURCE CODE: S O U R C E
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wich gapps i need to install

AlphaJF972 said:
wich gapps i need to install
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I used BiTGapps, works perfectly

Maksieku.Tech said:
​ROM
VENDOR Q
SOURCE CODE: S O U R C E
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Where I can get device tree sources to build it from source?
Want to fix some bugs and rebuild for vendor R