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Something, maybe the pro/note will be released/announced on Thursday. I didn't sidegrade to the note 5 for reasons discussed elsewhere (ie unavailable in UK, no sd slot or removable battery and appallingly slow upgrades by Sammy).
So looking out for the next big thing ( ) which won't be Samsung until they start listening to their customers rather than trying to copy apple....
Now the big question is whether or not to wait until 2016 releases to get something which is a fairly big upgrade from the n4 or try the LG.
I doubt this will come with the 820 chip so the difference between this and my note 4 will likely be a fingerprint scanner and 5.8" screen. The rest will be fairly comparable unless they launch with a really high end finish which has been touted (and denied!).
Just wondering where other note 4 users are at, especially those who upgrade when the next best thing is launched and have had their note 4 for 12 months and are wanting to try something new....:good:
Same thoughts here
I'm keen to see what comes out the Google event today. I've been toying with the idea of leaving the note 4 behind and moving to the nexus range. My opinion is, if you want quick, fast reliable android updates nothing is going to beat the Nexus range.
To be honest, fault apple all you want, but they certainly got the whole software upgrade down to a T.
Nobody has had their Note 4 12months unless they had a test unit.
I have had my Note 4 since launch week, and I have decided to wait until next year. Nothing released in 2015 is worth moving to from a Note 4. The Snapdragon 810 phones overheat and have crap battery life, 808 phones have weak GPUs, MediaTek...the less the bettes. The 2015 Samsung phones are just iPhone Clones.
Nothing worth getting in 2015.
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If LG actually stops faffing about with crappy capacitive styluses on downgraded variants and puts a real active digitizer pen in there, be it Wacom, N-trig or anyone else (preferably Wacom for tablet PC/Galaxy Note compatibility reasons), maybe we'd have a Galaxy Note competitor when we need it most.
Literally every other phone line, Nexus included, is irrelevant to me without that.
But until that happens or Samsung snaps to their senses with the Note 6, the only alternative to the Note 4 is another Note 4.
With all that said, a lot of people are on two-year contracts for their phones anyway, though that's quickly getting abandoned here by every carrier that isn't AT&T. Upgrading after just one year seems a bit hasty, and when you're coming from a Note 4, you're probably going to be downgrading in some respect.
Hasty? Only because THE key player who year on year improved the note took a backward step! In the UK even the phone shops don't understand why the N5 wasn't launched here! Although its not an upgrade...I normally upgrade at least to the newest note each year and even tried the OPO mid term and got a little bored of the Note 3! However I soon went back to my old pal again!!!
I wouldn't mind so much if Samsung kept devices up to date and paid attention to vulnerabilities like Stage fright. I think it is disgusting the way they flog a top quality and top dollar device then employ a small team/probably just a one man band to maintain their huge range. THIS is why I'm happy to ditch them! They need to learn quickly or continue to suffer further under target performances. Amazes me how quickly a new device can be launched but their software team are exactly the opposite!
As for Nexus, its not really comparable to the Note series (excluding the Note 5 which is just a big S6 with a pen).
Maybe the 820 chipped devices will be the growler to wait for in the new year! Samsung will probably be planning stagefright fix and 'M' mid 16!
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Hasty? Only because THE key player who year on year improved the note took a backward step! In the UK even the phone shops don't understand why the N5 wasn't launched here! Although its not an upgrade...I normally upgrade at least to the newest note each year and even tried the OPO mid term and got a little bored of the Note 3! However I soon went back to my old pal again!!!
I wouldn't mind so much if Samsung kept devices up to date and paid attention to vulnerabilities like Stage fright. I think it is disgusting the way they flog a top quality and top dollar device then employ a small team/probably just a one man band to maintain their huge range. THIS is why I'm happy to ditch them! They need to learn quickly or continue to suffer further under target performances. Amazes me how quickly a new device can be launched but their software team are exactly the opposite!
As for Nexus, its not really comparable to the Note series (excluding the Note 5 which is just a big S6 with a pen).
Maybe the 820 chipped devices will be the growler to wait for in the new year! Samsung will probably be planning stagefright fix and 'M' mid 16!
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stagefright fixed already for note 4
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stagefright fixed already for note 4
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if you have 5.1.1 which I still don't - and how long did it take to issue a fix?? TOO long. And that's my point.
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if you have 5.1.1 which I still don't - and how long did it take to issue a fix?? TOO long. And that's my point.
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if im not wrong besides carrier phones in us note 4 also got it pretty fast. note 4 is actually getting all updates pretty fast but i dont know why there is a big drama among note 4 users. only regional updates are very stupid.
clearly not in the international (uk) phone! It appears many other areas have received it but not this. And that's why its a drama.
Without fast updates this will probably only get worse, the next time an exploit has been found and a bug tries to hack it before a fix can be deployed.
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clearly not in the international (uk) phone! It appears many other areas have received it but not this. And that's why its a drama.
Without fast updates this will probably only get worse, the next time an exploit has been found and a bug tries to hack it before a fix can be deployed.
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like i said regional updates are stupid. waiting more than 1 or 2 month for an update which is released for other countries is worst about samsung.
http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-officially-unveils-v10-second-screen-and-dual-front-facing-cameras
tempting? I think it looks good. Liking some of the new features but the back could do with an upgrade! No UK launch imminent though grrr
after a disappointing experience with the G3 (which is still a decent phone, but the bootloader needing a hack to flash roms and build quality put me off) I ditched it for the note4. I'd be a bit wary of LG phones. Most 'flagship' phones seem to be using the snapdragon 808 or 810 for the moment unless i'm mistaken. not sure they're really worth the upgrade. I would wait until 2016.
if samsung makes a decent note6 again with a SoC which isn't a pain in the ass to port to i think that could be very interesting.
I'm rather interested in the MS Talkman 950XL. Windows phone ecosystem seems a happy medium between Android and Apple.
Nexus 6P was my option but then again no microsd/removable battery.
Right now my Note 4 is really smooth with 5.1.1. And samsung announced theyre gonna release Marsmellows for Note 4, so Im just gonna wait another year.
Lg 4 pro isnt that big of a upgrade compared to Note 4.
Also my next phone must have infrared like N4. I cant live without it.
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saw this at multiple sites today
http://tablet-news.com/2016/01/31/p...base-galaxy-tab-s2-already-getting-refreshed/
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Zaub...y-Tab-S2-refresh-or-the-Galaxy-Tab-S3_id77859
WTF - Samsung have really lost the plot, the S2 offered nothing tangible over the S1 - rather than update the software on both Samsung chuck out more hardware.
Even at a senior level last year they said they need to focus more on software.
A Samsung top end product barely lasts 6-9 mths.
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A Samsung top end product barely lasts 6-9 mths.
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I'm not sure about that. I had a S4 that was 2 years old when I sold it a couple of months ago and it was working fine. My Tab S 10.5 will be 2 years old in July and it's working same as new.
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I'm not sure about that. I had a S4 that was 2 years old when I sold it a couple of months ago and it was working fine. My Tab S 10.5 will be 2 years old in July and it's working same as new.
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I'm almost certain he was referring to the support of these high-end devices. The devices themselves have a great lifespan, assuming one actually cares for it, but Samsung's view on support is lacking.
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I'm almost certain he was referring to the support of these high-end devices. The devices themselves have a great lifespan, assuming one actually cares for it, but Samsung's view on support is lacking.
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If that's the case I stand corrected. If he is talking about firmware upgrades, my S4 came with Jelly Bean and when I sold it it had Lollipop, so 2 upgrades in 2 years is not too bad. If he is referring to customer service support, I would not know because I never had a reason to contact Samsung for support.
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If that's the case I stand corrected. If he is talking about firmware upgrades, my S4 came with Jelly Bean and when I sold it it had Lollipop, so 2 upgrades in 2 years is not too bad. If he is referring to customer service support, I would not know because I never had a reason to contact Samsung for support.
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When it comes to firmware upgrades, it would seem they only care about doing the bare minimum. 2 major Android updates looks to be the minimum among Android devices; regardless of manufacturer. I'm pretty sure a lot of the "flagship" devices out there have the hardware to handle more than just 2 updates. Customer support? I'm with you on that. Never had a reason before, but that may be changing here soon. I'm having a display issue and if I can't figure it out, then I'll be contacting them.
I've not had a Sony phone for a while now (Xperia SP) and I'm just looking to find out how good Sony are at releasing updates. Do they ever release the monthly security patches or is it just the big OS releases.
Do you think this will change with project treble on Oreo an this new device?
Coming from a Nexus 5X this has been a great thing about Googles phones, I like the current Pixels but I'm sort of loathe to go for an older pixel now as they only have a year of support left for OS then a year of security updates after that but id like some of the nicer features of modern phones (waterproofing/stereo speakers) but don't want the undoubtedly huge price tag when the Pixel 2 comes out.
Looking at current market phones its Xperia XZ1 compact or Pixel XL in my price range for phones id consider. The Galaxy S8 is just still too pricey.
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Do they ever release the monthly security patches or is it just the big OS releases.
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Been quite timely with security updates during my time with the X Compact so expect to see the same with this one too.
Thats really good to know thanks. So are you on the september update or august currently? (As september has the big bluetooth vulnerability fix in it)
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Thats really good to know thanks. So are you on the september update or august currently? (As september has the big bluetooth vulnerability fix in it)
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5th August on the XZ1C but the XC is 1st September.
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5th August on the XZ1C but the XC is 1st September.
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Excellent thanks for getting back to me on that.
I understand many people do not care Samsung Devices are loaded with bloatware, but the price !!!!
I can not justify spending $1000 plus for a phone, especially when you can buy devices with relatively clean Android, hardware as good and in some cases better for $100s of dollars less.
How does somebody buy a Samsung device for say $1100.00 when the can but a OnePlus for $600.... ?
For me, the most important factor is the screen. Samsung is the only manufactorer I know that has the best screen, great hardware, and decent software. The bloatware could possibly be removed and I wish it could be cheaper.
I am actually using a Pixel 3 XL now. The software is clean but boring. I am mostly disappointed with the hardware. That I why I am waiting for the GS10.
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For me, the most important factor is the screen. Samsung is the only manufactorer I know that has the best screen, great hardware, and decent software. The bloatware could possibly be removed and I wish it could be cheaper.
I am actually using a Pixel 3 XL now. The software is clean but boring. I am mostly disappointed with the hardware. That I why I am waiting for the GS10.
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Same here lol
Btw, you should try this company, they are offering free cases for s10
https://armadillotek.com/
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For me, the most important factor is the screen. Samsung is the only manufactorer I know that has the best screen, great hardware, and decent software. The bloatware could possibly be removed and I wish it could be cheaper.
I am actually using a Pixel 3 XL now. The software is clean but boring. I am mostly disappointed with the hardware. That I why I am waiting for the GS10.
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I actually love my Pixel 3Xl and got tired of Samsung taking 6 + months to update the phones to new OS. After owning every generation of Note, I got tired of no root and locked down bootloaders. Despite the great screens, I'm staying on the pixel side.
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First thing is that I love the Galaxy series.
Why Samsung??
All I am gonna do is just browse through Internet,social media, capture some decent looking pictures and I need phone with a display which is best in industry and has a great design and build quality.
When I think of all these the only thing that comes to my mind is the Galaxy series. I agree that OP phones are faster than the galaxy series but when it comes design and build samsung is well better.
Best quality display is keeping the samsung unique in the market. Viewing angles is great in samsung displays. Especially in camera it has variable aperture and a super slow motion. And still it has a headphone jack and micro SD slot.
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I understand many people do not care Samsung Devices are loaded with bloatware, but the price !!!!
I can not justify spending $1000 plus for a phone, especially when you can buy devices with relatively clean Android, hardware as good and in some cases better for $100s of dollars less.
How does somebody buy a Samsung device for say $1100.00 when the can but a OnePlus for $600.... ?
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Samsung devices are not, the provider branded versions are, but that is equally true of all branded devices.
The Samsung Device that would be in the $1100 price range is going to be light years more advanced in power, storage, and just tech in general than the $600 one from OnePlus. Now if you Compare the $600 Samsung device to the $600 OnePlus device then you getting closer, but the Samsung device is still going to be more advanced, the gap just will not be nearly as big.
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I actually love my Pixel 3Xl and got tired of Samsung taking 6 + months to update the phones to new OS. After owning every generation of Note, I got tired of no root and locked down bootloaders. Despite the great screens, I'm staying on the pixel side.
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Samsung doesn't take that long, unless it is a rather old phone. The people taking that long are the Wireless providers who take their sweet time removing all the good stuff and adding different bloatware.
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I really wish that Samsung would just start getting some of their CDMA radios from Intel, that way we could get an Exynos chipset with an unlockable bootloader that is easily useable on Verizon and Sprint.
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Samsung devices are not, the provider branded versions are, but that is equally true of all branded devices.
The Samsung Device that would be in the $1100 price range is going to be light years more advanced in power, storage, and just tech in general than the $600 one from OnePlus. Now if you Compare the $600 Samsung device to the $600 OnePlus device then you getting closer, but the Samsung device is still going to be more advanced, the gap just will not be nearly as big.
Samsung doesn't take that long, unless it is a rather old phone. The people taking that long are the Wireless providers who take their sweet time removing all the good stuff and adding different bloatware.
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I really wish that Samsung would just start getting some of their CDMA radios from Intel, that way we could get an Exynos chipset with an unlockable bootloader that is easily useable on Verizon and Sprint.
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I beg to differ from you. While preliminary versions of Android Q are already being worked on and tested in the wild, my Note 8 still sits on Oreo. I know there is an unofficial version of Pie for it, but not the official version yet . This is over 7 months after Pie was released. I've had every note that came out except the original. I bought my Note 8 on day 1 when it came out and paid about $950 after taxes. It was by no means a cheap device at the time. At the time, people who had unlocked exynox versions were upset because their updates which were supposed to come directly from Samsung were taking even longer than the carrier ones. Read up on it. Samsung + carrier delays are horrendous. IMO, It's embarrassing that what was once considered their top device would take 7+ months to receive an official software update.
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I beg to differ from you. While preliminary versions of Android Q are already being worked on and tested in the wild, my Note 8 still sits on Oreo. I know there is an unofficial version of Pie for it, but not the official version yet . This is over 7 months after Pie was released. I've had every note that came out except the original. I bought my Note 8 on day 1 when it came out and paid about $950 after taxes. It was by no means a cheap device at the time. At the time, people who had unlocked exynox versions were upset because their updates which were supposed to come directly from Samsung were taking even longer than the carrier ones. Read up on it. Samsung + carrier delays are horrendous. IMO, It's embarrassing that what was once considered their top device would take 7+ months to receive an official software update.
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The Note 9 came out with Oreo as well as pretty much all the other myriad Samsung phones in that same release year. The Note 8 getting Pie only 6 months (the global Samsung release is this month) after Pie is officially released is impressive given the number of phones ahead of it. If your phone is not getting it this month it is due to the branding of your phone and that wireless provider holding it up.
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Global release means nothing if only a few people get it or only a few versions of the phone get it at that time. The point I'm making is that IMO it's pathetic Samsung takes even 6 months to update the OS on a phone that was a flagship when it came out a bit over a year ago. The Note 9 is all they care about right now since it's the latest one out but soon enough once they have your money, they'll care only about the S10. IMO, Samsung has an obligation to upgrade phones quickly and timely, specially on devices they charged nearly 1k and were/had flagship status when released. Meanwhile, phones like the Essential (practically unknown and on sale for $239 on Amazon get it on the day is released by Google). I clearly get the concept of skins added on to the OS to provide extra features which adds to testing time etc... but IMO 6 month + is a pathetic timeline for a flagship phone. As per your thinking, I suggest Samsung adds a disclaimer to the box of a new phone which states "Due to the impressive number of phones made ahead of yours, updates will come on this flagship 6+ months after the official release date". I wonder how many people would buy it if they came clear and admitted it? As much as I love Samsung (proof is that I've owned almost every note), I do not excuse their shortcomings when it comes to OS updates.
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Samsung offer a lot more hardware than a OnePlus. Waterproofing, headphone jack, heart rate scanner, better cooling/heatsink. Also wireless charging, MST payment (very useful in Asian countries where NFC payments are non existent), better screen, better camera.
I have owned both OnePlus(3) and Samsung (Note 8) devices. In general, I have observed that the Note 8 receives monthly updates which are extremely stable. Whereas OnePlus has released half baked updates (like 7.0 for OP3) followed by hotfixes.
Honestly, if OnePlus for still around the 450$ price, it would be unbeatable.
Edit: Forgot pressure sensitive home button.
Apple updates its iOS software incrementally over the year until a revamp of the operating system is released before new iPhones come out in September. The same can also be said of Android where the operating system gets a new refresh once a year. Two different O/S ecosystems, two different O/S update systems. You can't make everyone happy.
LOS support "forever".
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Well no more with s10...
The galaxy S10 is actually cheaper than the 2017's iPhone X in my country :/
We can pre order it for 929$ with a free galaxy watch and a free wireless charger, while the iPhone X is for 950$+
Also the apple "lower end" iPhone XR is more expensive than the S10...
I am talking about the regular S10, not the S10 plus or the S10e.
Samsung offers more than apple and is still cheaper, it offers more than any android phone also. They have everything you can ask for in a smartphone.
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For me, the most important factor is the screen. Samsung is the only manufactorer I know that has the best screen, great hardware, and decent software. The bloatware could possibly be removed and I wish it could be cheaper.
I am actually using a Pixel 3 XL now. The software is clean but boring. I am mostly disappointed with the hardware. That I why I am waiting for the GS10.
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New iphones and ipad screens are pretty dang amazing. I didnt think so till my wife won the latest gen ipad pro at work in a contest. The screen is by far superior to any samsung tablet or phone I have seen.
To me there is no other brand other than Samsung - 0 competition. Sammy has everything in one device and that's why I love them. You don't need to have the latest Android update right away as many features are already existent in the device even if it's on an older software version. Best screen, best camera, has headphone jack, ultrasonic fp scanner, super premium build, amazing hardware. List goes on, I'm just waiting for them to get rid of the hole(s) and will get that Note (10 or 11 hopefully).
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To me there is no other brand other than Samsung - 0 competition. Sammy has everything in one device and that's why I love them. You don't need to have the latest Android update right away as many features are already existent in the device even if it's on an older software version. Best screen, best camera, has headphone jack, ultrasonic fp scanner, super premium build, amazing hardware. List goes on, I'm just waiting for them to get rid of the hole(s) and will get that Note (10 or 11 hopefully).
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Note 10 is a definite no. The Note 10 will be pretty much the S10 with a slightly larger screen and S-Pen goodies. They've never strayed too far from the S line when it comes to the Note. It's bigger, more powerful, etc. but it usually doesn't stray far from the S version of its year.
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I understand many people do not care Samsung Devices are loaded with bloatware, but the price !!!!
I can not justify spending $1000 plus for a phone, especially when you can buy devices with relatively clean Android, hardware as good and in some cases better for $100s of dollars less.
How does somebody buy a Samsung device for say $1100.00 when the can but a OnePlus for $600.... ?
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1st off I always buy the unlocked version of the latest Galaxy S phone so I do not have all the nasty bloatware which comes from the carriers. The unlocked versions are very clean.
Regarding price, I'm looking at pre-ordering the S10+ for $999 (It will end up costing me $599 after trading in my old phone + using a gift card from xmas) Yes it will be the most I've ever paid for a new phone, but Samsung screens cannot be beat. I love the triple camera (which just received the highest camera rating of any cell phone from DXO - tied with Huawei Mate 20), ultrasonic FP reader, headphone jack, SD card slot, waterproofing, wireless charging, and pre-orders are coming with free Samsung AirPods. I also really like the automatic 42% blue light reduction. That should help alleviate some eye strain. I like that the Sammy AirPods can charge wirelessly by simply setting the case on the back of the phone.
Having said all that, I am disappointed the S10 has only increased the charge rate by 29%. I was hoping for something closer to 100%. That is one area where I feel other phones like OnePlus and Huawei have an advantage in charging speed.
In any case, I will pre-order the S10+, but in the future I will certainly be watching carefully the OnePlus 7, MI 9, and other high end but less expensive phones.
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New iphones and ipad screens are pretty dang amazing. I didnt think so till my wife won the latest gen ipad pro at work in a contest. The screen is by far superior to any samsung tablet or phone I have seen.
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???... I hope u know that those screens are from Samsung... but nice try
Sorry of this is not the correct place for this post!
So I have been using samsung based devices since I left apple iphone 4. many moons ago. I currently have a Note 8 (r.i.p note 7) and my current contract with verizon just expired the other day and im do for upgrade. Now that the Google Pixel line of phones has had a chance to bake in the oven for a while im thinking of getting the Pixel 4 or XL when it is release/announced next month in October 15 or when ever. Im a huge fan of rooting and bootloader unlocking, but since I am stuck with verizon I expect the phone to be bootloader locked and or carrier locked, at least until someone figures out how to bypass/unlock the bootloader. But reading about this new DSU feature in Q it may not be so much an issue. who knows. my current note 8 iv had since day 1 of it release never got updated,rooted, or unlocked in hopes a bootloader unlock would come, which never really happened. Anyhows.
Question, With the release of the Google Pixel 4 set for October 15 when might it be until I should expect to be able to get it from Verizon? As Im thinking of just waiting a little while longer and going to a Pixel 4 vs to a Note 10? I prefer the Pixel 4.
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If you want to skip all the bootloader locked nonsense and can afford it, just buy the device from google and have it turned on on verizon.
Unfortunately, if I don't want to pay for any of it I'm stuck with Verizon. Work is paying for it basically.
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Yeah, I can completely understand that. If verizon locks all their bootloaders and your company is paying for it, you may be better off with the note 10. Since you would be bound to getting updates when Verizon pushed them, getting a pixel probably wouldn't do much good. That's a big part of why I want one, day 1 updates. But, if you just want something new and (hopefully) refreshing, I would try to hold out til Verizon gets the pixel. It will be the only android device with radar AND facial ID. So, there's that.
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Unfortunately, if I don't want to pay for any of it I'm stuck with Verizon. Work is paying for it basically.
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In my case, I was also a Note user, the Note8 being my last Samsung device. At first I was skeptical about my Pixel 3 XL and its performance. I got the unlocked model and I can honestly tell you I would not go back. It's better than any other phone I ever had. I got tired of OS updates that would come 7-8 months late and my inability to root. Also the quality of pictures and the camera is unrivaled. Pixels ARE the standard by which every other phone's camera is measured. If you care about rooting, pay for the unlocked Pixel given that the Pixel 3 forums still have not been able to root the Verizon model a year after its release. I enjoy root and all its benefits such as Adaway, Titanium, 3minit battery and many others. Root is increasingly difficult and basically impossible on most OEM and locked down devices. If you don't want to pay for it then I would stay with Samsung. You will not have timely updates but at least you'll have great hardware.
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Personally I put the free phone in the drawer and put the work SIM in my bought and paid for phone that I can actually do what I want with whenever I want to do it. I've been running dual-sim for years for this reason. Free isn't always good and life is way too short for locked bootloaders.