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Shall we do a petition for the EMUI interface?

Why shall we do a petition for EMUI interface?
I love huawei and their EMUI. But, there must be lots of improvements so they can get the TOP 1 best custom interface for Android.
1.Let us remove what we want.
Yes. Bloatware is a pain in our heads. For both performance and battery. If we had the opportunity to remove the Google apps that are installed in the system, then it would be a great thing.
2.Equal features on all phones.
I like the features included in EMUI, but there are different features for different phones. For example we don't have the smart touch, some screenshot gestures, night shot and so on. Having them is a MUST DO. And yes, our phone does SUPPORT all the features from other phones (except hardware-related features like honor 8's clickable fingerprint)
3.Optimizations
Emui 5.x already has some performance and battery tweaks already included in the software. But there aren:t enough. We still suffer of battery drain due to bad optimization of the Android System, which can be fixable very easily.
4.Listen to their customers
We all want something, but Huawei doesn't listen. It was a pain that they removed the firmware links from their websites (which it was a bit good to prevent fake software sd card updates), at least to listen to us. I know they want to become a top company, but if they listen to us and give us what we want in the EMUI or phones (as long as they can too.), Then that will be very awesome. Equal features and equal software (like how Apple does to their phones) then Huawei will beat Apple for sure in terms of software "updates"
So, who's with me?

Johnny TDN said:
Why shall we do a petition for EMUI interface?
I love huawei and their EMUI. But, there must be lots of improvements so they can get the TOP 1 best custom interface for Android.
1.Let us remove what we want.
Yes. Bloatware is a pain in our heads. For both performance and battery. If we had the opportunity to remove the Google apps that are installed in the system, then it would be a great thing.
2.Equal features on all phones.
I like the features included in EMUI, but there are different features for different phones. For example we don't have the smart touch, some screenshot gestures, night shot and so on. Having them is a MUST DO. And yes, our phone does SUPPORT all the features from other phones (except hardware-related features like honor 8's clickable fingerprint)
3.Optimizations
Emui 5.x already has some performance and battery tweaks already included in the software. But there aren:t enough. We still suffer of battery drain due to bad optimization of the Android System, which can be fixable very easily.
4.Listen to their customers
We all want something, but Huawei doesn't listen. It was a pain that they removed the firmware links from their websites (which it was a bit good to prevent fake software sd card updates), at least to listen to us. I know they want to become a top company, but if they listen to us and give us what we want in the EMUI or phones (as long as they can too.), Then that will be very awesome. Equal features and equal software (like how Apple does to their phones) then Huawei will beat Apple for sure in terms of software "updates"
So, who's with me?
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Huawei is not going to change anything just because a small group of android modders wants to have more control of their phone.
Just remember that P9 Lite's main consumer target were regular people which don't care about this.
They just want a working phone. Nothing more.

dariomrk said:
Huawei is not going to change anything just because a small group of android modders wants to have more control of their phone.
Just remember that P9 Lite's main consumer target were regular people which don't care about this.
They just want a working phone. Nothing more.
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You have my point.
But still, they promised that they will fix this and that, nothing happened.
One day, they will leave this phone on 7.0 and never ever get updates. I bet that.

Johnny TDN said:
You have my point.
But still, they promised that they will fix this and that, nothing happened.
One day, they will leave this phone on 7.0 and never ever get updates. I bet that.
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At least they released EMUI 5 kernel sources;
Anyway make a petition, you have my support but still i don't think that this will lead to anywhere.

dariomrk said:
At least they released EMUI 5 kernel sources;
Anyway make a petition, you have my support but still i don't think that this will lead to anywhere.
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At least we tried.
I mean, i love Huawei since i moved from TouchWiz lag to EMUI....i thought that maybe Huawei will be "community free" (listening to the customers too)
Anyway, how can i do a petition?

Johnny TDN said:
At least we tried.
I mean, i love Huawei since i moved from TouchWiz lag to EMUI....i thought that maybe Huawei will be "community free" (listening to the customers too)
Anyway, how can i do a petition?
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Idk, It's your idea anyway

you should rethink what you've posted!
They can't do anything about google apps for example because they are forced to implement them on a system basis - e.g. play store, play services, google photos and so on. Additionally the newer phones just have a different feature set because they run their latest EMUI version - which in my opinion - is thought out pretty well as they have to deliver a premium feel to the end user.. Why a company this big focusses on it? Well, they are pushing their last-available-smartphone-sales through it. Btw, did you ever thought about a hardware dependent feature set? Like those the screen supports and so on.
I have only one addition to your list - project treble for upcomming oreo release (which p9 lite SHOULD get aswell as the Honor 6x receives it by the end of the year).
Regards

OldDroid said:
you should rethink what you've posted!
They can't do anything about google apps for example because they are forced to implement them on a system basis - e.g. play store, play services, google photos and so on. Additionally the newer phones just have a different feature set because they run their latest EMUI version - which in my opinion - is thought out pretty well as they have to deliver a premium feel to the end user.. Why a company this big focusses on it? Well, they are pushing their last-available-smartphone-sales through it. Btw, did you ever thought about a hardware dependent feature set? Like those the screen supports and so on.
I have only one addition to your list - project treble for upcomming oreo release (which p9 lite SHOULD get aswell as the Honor 6x receives it by the end of the year).
Regards
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True. Oreo is much important right now.
But still, there are DISABLED USEDFULL features like Night shot, private space, app twin and those gestures from build.prop file. That pissed me off a bit... Because those features work 100% with no issues.

What kind of software updates/support can we expect from Xiaomi?

Just got the Mi 8 after 7 years on iPhone.
At first, I felt like MIUI 9's UI was quite dated. Now, MIUI 10 is rocking Material Design that fits better with the rest of Android. Yay!
Having said that, I'm not yet sure what kind of software updates/maintenance to expect from both Google and Xiaomi...
So far, I notice that there are some inconsistencies and annoying bugs due to the MIUI layer. Lack of "Ok Google", One-handed mode tends to stop working, Text to speech is missing, the text editing is sometimes MIUI sometimes Android, etc etc etc... While there are nice things about MIUI as well for sure.
Ok...
Overall, I want to prepare myself for the kind of attention I'll pay to maintain this phone in the next year or two.
Thinking if I should install custom ROMs and how often I should spend the time to customize & fix little things.
Based on your experience with Xiaomi and Android in general, how much will the manufacturer take care of things for me so "it just works"?

Normally I would recommend you to buy a pixel phone, it's the best Android you can have if you use to have iPhone.
Prepare yourself to wait for updates and new features from Android.
The problem with others companies it's that next year you'll have mi9 and they will get there attention, so the updates Will be first to the new versions.
On Google pixel and iPhone that doesn't happen.
To my that's the problem with Xiaomi, Samsung, etc etc

anthroplus said:
Just got the Mi 8 after 7 years on iPhone.
At first, I felt like MIUI 9's UI was quite dated. Now, MIUI 10 is rocking Material Design that fits better with the rest of Android. Yay!
Having said that, I'm not yet sure what kind of software updates/maintenance to expect from both Google and Xiaomi...
So far, I notice that there are some inconsistencies and annoying bugs due to the MIUI layer. Lack of "Ok Google", One-handed mode tends to stop working, Text to speech is missing, the text editing is sometimes MIUI sometimes Android, etc etc etc... While there are nice things about MIUI as well for sure.
Ok...
Overall, I want to prepare myself for the kind of attention I'll pay to maintain this phone in the next year or two.
Thinking if I should install custom ROMs and how often I should spend the time to customize & fix little things.
Based on your experience with Xiaomi and Android in general, how much will the manufacturer take care of things for me so "it just works"?
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You probably will get now the next 4 years updates from MIUI, so it's no problem. In the worst case just flash a custom rom if necessary

anthroplus said:
So far, I notice that there are some inconsistencies and annoying bugs due to the MIUI layer. Lack of "Ok Google", One-handed mode tends to stop working, Text to speech is missing, the text editing is sometimes MIUI sometimes Android, etc etc etc... While there are nice things about MIUI as well for sure.
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Ok Google is broken on many many many devices, even Samsung ones. Voice match is grayed out and you can't voice retrain it.

NightScap3 said:
You probably will get now the next 4 years updates from MIUI, so it's no problem. In the worst case just flash a custom rom if necessary
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Cool stuff.
So far, I'm getting the impression that Xiaomi is particularly good at software upgrades.
In general, I want updated software regardless of the new stuff coming from Google or Xiaomi.

ArmedandDangerous said:
Ok Google is broken on many many many devices, even Samsung ones. Voice match is grayed out and you can't voice retrain it.
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I see... Seems like I'll have to live with these things related to Android in general.
I'm learning to enjoy using parts that work while training myself to ignore buggy stuff... As if they were never an option.
By focusing on features that work (no more and no less), it's far easier to enjoy this device.
But of course. Easier said than done. There's always temptation to feel FOMO for knowing that these basic things are supposed to actually work.

anthroplus said:
Just got the Mi 8 after 7 years on iPhone.
At first, I felt like MIUI 9's UI was quite dated. Now, MIUI 10 is rocking Material Design that fits better with the rest of Android. Yay!
Having said that, I'm not yet sure what kind of software updates/maintenance to expect from both Google and Xiaomi...
So far, I notice that there are some inconsistencies and annoying bugs due to the MIUI layer. Lack of "Ok Google", One-handed mode tends to stop working, Text to speech is missing, the text editing is sometimes MIUI sometimes Android, etc etc etc... While there are nice things about MIUI as well for sure.
Ok...
Overall, I want to prepare myself for the kind of attention I'll pay to maintain this phone in the next year or two.
Thinking if I should install custom ROMs and how often I should spend the time to customize & fix little things.
Based on your experience with Xiaomi and Android in general, how much will the manufacturer take care of things for me so "it just works"?
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Welcome to the world of Xiaomi. Dated MIUI 9? HOW DARE YOU We have a wonderful theme store with tons of themes, something that cannot be said for other manufacturers that have added theme stores or theme apps (cough cough Asus). I'll give you a detailed summary of how things work.
UPDATES, MIUI, ANDROID:
A LARGE majority of Xiaomi smartphone users buy it for the chap price and expect it to work like every other Android smartphone; Android updates bring you features. That is totally fine, but many seem upset when their phone is still rocking an ancient version of Android as compared to other phones (both other brands and Xiaomi phones as well). For MIUI, this is not the case, and again, people still haven't realized this sadly. Xiaomi pushes features and improvements through MIUI versions, so for the most part, Android versions are irrelevant to us. Obviously some features from the Android version are important such as the upcoming support for notches and multiple cameras, but for the MIUI ecosystem, everything you need to for your experience comes in the form of MIUI updates. Focus on MIUI version updates first, unless there is something very important in an upcoming Android version.
FEATURES, IMPROVEMENTS, BUGS and YOU:
Your opinions DO matter, many of the features present on MIUI came from the voiced opinions of users like you and I. Second space, dual apps, themes, etc. Many of the are thanks to what we have made of it. This is the same for bugs. There is a feedback app within the phone which is in the Tools folder of most if not all official MIUI versions. Do provide screenshots and suggestions, they are listening, and I myself have seen bugs I have mentioned be fixed in later versions. Could have been me, could have been millions of people who noticed it as well. I think MIUI 7 was the most successful MIUI version out there in terms of overall stability, but I could be wrong
DEVICE QUALITY:
Obviously cheaper devices will demonstrate that they are cheap at some point. Most Xiaomi phones are solid companions, but the lower priced devices tend to suck at times. I owned the Redmi Note 2, and boy the battery life was dreadfull. Some other mid range devices of theirs have physical issues. I owned a Mi Max, it began to slightly bend like the iPhone 6 Plus. The Redmi Note 3 Pro had what seemed like paint on the antenna areas that was chipping off from just putting it in my pocket. The Mi A1 unfortunately had a major issue with the power button that many experienced, and after a drop in it's case, the screen began to lift slightly. This is not at all to scare you as things happen, and all of those phones were outstanding in terms of performance and battery life. Not to mention that all of these phones have been top notch perfomers (no, thats not a pun). Their flagships are pretty darn good for the price, same goes for quality in these. Another thing to note, flagships have better band support than the mid range or lower end (even if they have a Snapdragon processor). This is why I gave the Mi A1 up. I had LTE, but no data during calls, calls would not come though because of the lack of 3G or even 2G support for my carrier, no VoLTE and so on.
CUSTOM ROMS AND XIAOMI PHONES:
Not a good mix in my own experience, but there are some great roms. It's gotten better now that Xiaomi releases source codes even though it takes them a while, but usually the common issue is a lack of a variety of official roms, with many being buggy ports or so on. I hate LineageOS, but typically other roms use this as a base instead of being built from scratch. This is usually what I have come across Xiaomi phones, but who am I to talk, I love MIUI and have not touched a custom rom on Xiaomi phones since the...well A1 actually. MIUI is not for everyone however. There are some setbacks to some of their featues. The browser app for example is great, but auto playing videos gets very annoying, and it falls behind many other browsers out there (I use Chrome). Heavily modified manufacturer builds of Android such as MIUI usually runs better than custom roms though, so keep in mind that you may not get the 6 hour average of screen on time with heavy usage, or may experience more heat, etc.
THINGS YOU MENTIONED:
Now for some of the specific things you mentioned, MIUI always seemed to want to distance itself from Google, but it has gotten better over time. Look at the Mi A1 and A2 for example. I believe that these features just need better implementing. One thing I miss about stock Android is the newsfeed on the left side of home, like the iPhone. I don't understand why the MIUI launcher even had this section, it is useless as all it does is display things I could care less about, and I have to go to the Google app to access this newsfeed. Text to speech I believe now resides within the Google keyboard? Go to Settings > Additional Settings > Languages and Input > under Input Methods > Gboard > Preferences and enable Voice input key. Now you can tap the mic on the top right of the keyboard and talk to type. The text editing MIUI vs Google part has me confused. I believe it might depend on which app you use? If it's a Google app, it's a Google thing, if it's a MIUI app it's a MIUI thing maybe? If you could give some examples, I could investigate and see if there is a proper workaround.
BONUS:
A few secrets! VoLTE not working for you? Try changing your region to India or Hong Kong. Notifications not arriving on time or at all? This is a default battery saving featue, go to Settings > Battery & performance > under Battery Saver tap Choose apps and look for the app that's not receiving notifications (example Kik) and set to No restrictions. Missing your Facebook (or other app) chat heads? Go to Settings > Permissions > Other permissions and select the app in question. You will see Display pop-up window is disabled (red circle with an "X"), tap it and tap Accept. This is commonly referred to as drawing over other apps. I keep it off since it sometimes becomes a headache for changing other app's requested permissions on the fly. This is something that was added to Android after I believe Android 5.0 or so. It's a "security" feature, but if you just installed a new app lets say, have a Facebook chat head open, and that new app requests permission for contacts or so on, it may tell you to turn off the drawing app to change the permission, so I guess this explains why Xiaomi decided to keep it off by default.

anthroplus said:
I see... Seems like I'll have to live with these things related to Android in general.
I'm learning to enjoy using parts that work while training myself to ignore buggy stuff... As if they were never an option.
By focusing on features that work (no more and no less), it's far easier to enjoy this device.
But of course. Easier said than done. There's always temptation to feel FOMO for knowing that these basic things are supposed to actually work.
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It's actually the first time I've experienced a bug with any of Google's own apps. Frustrating since it's a new phone and I can't use it to it's full extent, but it'll fix itself eventually soon

ArmedandDangerous said:
It's actually the first time I've experienced a bug with any of Google's own apps. Frustrating since it's a new phone and I can't use it to it's full extent, but it'll fix itself eventually soon
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Looking forward to the fix!
Google Assistant is a major selling point that got me to move from iOS (Siri) to Android.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply!
Crossvxm said:
We have a wonderful theme store with tons of themes, something that cannot be said for other manufacturers that have added theme stores or theme apps
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I hear you... It's just that I'd rather stick to stock Xiaomi themes as most themes come with hiccups. Could be a couple missing icons or generally hit & miss quality.
In any case, I'm delighted by where MIUI 10 is visually and where it's headed!
Crossvxm said:
For MIUI, this is not the case, and again, people still haven't realized this sadly. Xiaomi pushes features and improvements through MIUI versions, so for the most part, Android versions are irrelevant to us. Obviously some features from the Android version are important such as the upcoming support for notches and multiple cameras, but for the MIUI ecosystem, everything you need to for your experience comes in the form of MIUI updates. Focus on MIUI version updates first, unless there is something very important in an upcoming Android version.
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Great point! I'm embracing this now actually.
MIUI is far better than TouchWiz, EMUI, and whatnot.
It doesn't matter if the updates come from Google or Xiaomi. I just want enough vendor attention so my phone stays secure and generally updated.
If Xiaomi can offer its own flavor of upgrades, I don't really care about missing out on Google's. Especially since I didn't buy the phone from them.
Crossvxm said:
CUSTOM ROMS AND XIAOMI PHONES... so keep in mind that you may not get the 6 hour average of screen on time with heavy usage, or may experience more heat, etc.
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I'm most inclined to keep it simple and just use the latest & greatest stable software from the manufacturer.
My hope is that Xiaomi will take care of me enough so I'd focus on using my phone over trying to do the job that I paid them to do.
Crossvxm said:
One thing I miss about stock Android is the newsfeed on the left side of home, like the iPhone. I don't understand why the MIUI launcher even had this section, it is useless as all it does is display things I could care less about, and I have to go to the Google app to access this newsfeed.
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I miss it too but I'm learning to accept that configuring this feature on my own is a hassle that I'd rather ignore.
I'd rather enjoy the Poco Launcher, which works well with the rest of MIUI. Without trying to make my phone mimic Google's ways.
Crossvxm said:
Text to speech I believe now resides within the Google keyboard? Go to Settings > Additional Settings > Languages and Input > under Input Methods > Gboard > Preferences and enable Voice input key. Now you can tap the mic on the top right of the keyboard and talk to type.
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My problem is getting the phone to read what's on the screen.
I can't summon this button: https://cl.ly/11b07bb89e9b
Crossvxm said:
The text editing MIUI vs Google part has me confused. I believe it might depend on which app you use? If it's a Google app, it's a Google thing, if it's a MIUI app it's a MIUI thing maybe? If you could give some examples, I could investigate and see if there is a proper workaround.
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Yes, the Google-style text selector appears mostly on Google-made apps and others like Evernote. Mysteriously, Google Search uses the MIUI style highlight buttons (the one with Select, Select All, Paste, etc)
Looking forward to hearing your feedback!

Another Year Another 1+

Right now I'm using OP5T. Thought of buying 6T but after looking at the vivo nex, I've attracted by it's design. BBK is a brand which owns the Vivo, Oneplus and Oppo. And the launch of OP7 is just weeks away with the design which I was expecting it to be. And I'm a guy who doesn't like selfies not gonna use the popup camera a lot so no worries about the mechanical part in my phone.

paulsims said:
Right now I'm using OP5T. Thought of buying 6T but after looking at the vivo nex, I've attracted by it's design. BBK is a brand which owns the Vivo, Oneplus and Oppo. And the launch of OP7 is just weeks away with the design which I was expecting it to be. And I'm a guy who doesn't like selfies not gonna use the popup camera a lot so no worries about the mechanical part in my phone.
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If you don't bother the pop-up cameras, On previous itself you can go with vivo nex or Oppo find X. why you should wait for OP 7 pro.

paulsims said:
Right now I'm using OP5T. Thought of buying 6T but after looking at the vivo nex, I've attracted by it's design. BBK is a brand which owns the Vivo, Oneplus and Oppo. And the launch of OP7 is just weeks away with the design which I was expecting it to be. And I'm a guy who doesn't like selfies not gonna use the popup camera a lot so no worries about the mechanical part in my phone.
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I'm a user that came from the 6T to the NEX S Global. It's a great phone, gorgeous if you ask, however 1+'s OS is way better and VIVO's update is really slow, also you can't unlock the bootloader. We're still on Android 8.1 while the chinese version is already on Pie.
It's a great phone, I really enjoy it, but I'll probably go the 7 Pro because I'm afraid how VIVO will handle future updates.

AdhityaDhruv said:
If you don't bother the pop-up cameras, On previous itself you can go with vivo nex or Oppo find X. why you should wait for OP 7 pro.
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The OS of Oppo and Vivo is ****.

paulsims said:
The OS of Oppo and Vivo is ****.
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An Oxygen OS from Oneplus, you can get a smooth Android experience. And Still you can experience the stock android with some additional features in Oxygen OS. I never used that Color OS and all.

I'm a user both Vivo Nex S from last summer and 2.5 months I'm owed also Dual display as well.
Chinese version both of them.
I'm really enjoying both phones never bothered me ios style Funtouch and I really appreciate many features and customization option offer natively that Oxygen does not offer.
With Pie Vivo offer much more customization with AOD that Oxygen not ever had.
Also maintain battery saver mode with location while oxygen removed badly that option.
Also Vivo offers saperate notification sound alarm from ringing soung alarm very convenient and useful feature always appreciated when using Samsung devices.
Also one great feature is the dynamic lockscreen magazine with very rich wallpapers each time go lock screen you get wonderful and high quality photos.
To me Vivo of screen gestures works much better and user friendly than Oxygen does.
As long you setup the phone properly(removed Chinese bloatware very easily through setting menu that Vivo let you uninstalled almost everything, and some other stuff through adb) you are gone enjoy super smooth experience, exceptional stability and comfort and great battery performance.
Never had issue with notification as well as long uninstalled Vivo battery management witch is very aggressive and give all permission to app to work in background as by default Vivo is killing them.
The only benefits of Oxygen compared to Vivo or Oppo is the ability of rooting your device and all the potential open with that freedom.
For example I'm a big fan of substratum themes and testing several mod, tweak and custom rom and one of the basic reasons of buying oneplus 7 pro.
I really like have under full control the software experience.
Of course I'm buying it because I like full screen experience without any stupid notch or punch holes that I hate and never had issue with pop up camera (actually rarely I'm using front facing camera so I prefer being always hidden)
And of course the huge battery capacity of 4000 and the very promising new screen are all give me extra motivation of purchasing 7 Pro.
So as you can see I'm big fan of BBK group and their smartphone and prefer it over Samsung or Huawei devices as it's closest to my needs much more and really like of testing new design approach offering with unique character
Sent from my V1821A using Tapatalk

paatha13 said:
I'm a user both Vivo Nex S from last summer and 2.5 months I'm owed also Dual display as well.
Chinese version both of them.
I'm really enjoying both phones never bothered me ios style Funtouch and I really appreciate many features and customization option offer natively that Oxygen does not offer.
With Pie Vivo offer much more customization with AOD that Oxygen not ever had.
Also maintain battery saver mode with location while oxygen removed badly that option.
Also Vivo offers saperate notification sound alarm from ringing soung alarm very convenient and useful feature always appreciated when using Samsung devices.
Also one great feature is the dynamic lockscreen magazine with very rich wallpapers each time go lock screen you get wonderful and high quality photos.
To me Vivo of screen gestures works much better and user friendly than Oxygen does.
As long you setup the phone properly(removed Chinese bloatware very easily through setting menu that Vivo let you uninstalled almost everything, and some other stuff through adb) you are gone enjoy super smooth experience, exceptional stability and comfort and great battery performance.
Never had issue with notification as well as long uninstalled Vivo battery management witch is very aggressive and give all permission to app to work in background as by default Vivo is killing them.
The only benefits of Oxygen compared to Vivo or Oppo is the ability of rooting your device and all the potential open with that freedom.
For example I'm a big fan of substratum themes and testing several mod, tweak and custom rom and one of the basic reasons of buying oneplus 7 pro.
I really like have under full control the software experience.
Of course I'm buying it because I like full screen experience without any stupid notch or punch holes that I hate and never had issue with pop up camera (actually rarely I'm using front facing camera so I prefer being always hidden)
And of course the huge battery capacity of 4000 and the very promising new screen are all give me extra motivation of purchasing 7 Pro.
So as you can see I'm big fan of BBK group and their smartphone and prefer it over Samsung or Huawei devices as it's closest to my needs much more and really like of testing new design approach offering with unique character
Sent from my V1821A using Tapatalk
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Good review Friend and explained very well about the Vivo device.

paatha13 said:
I'm a user both Vivo Nex S from last summer and 2.5 months I'm owed also Dual display as well.
Chinese version both of them.
I'm really enjoying both phones never bothered me ios style Funtouch and I really appreciate many features and customization option offer natively that Oxygen does not offer.
With Pie Vivo offer much more customization with AOD that Oxygen not ever had.
Also maintain battery saver mode with location while oxygen removed badly that option.
Also Vivo offers saperate notification sound alarm from ringing soung alarm very convenient and useful feature always appreciated when using Samsung devices.
Also one great feature is the dynamic lockscreen magazine with very rich wallpapers each time go lock screen you get wonderful and high quality photos.
To me Vivo of screen gestures works much better and user friendly than Oxygen does.
As long you setup the phone properly(removed Chinese bloatware very easily through setting menu that Vivo let you uninstalled almost everything, and some other stuff through adb) you are gone enjoy super smooth experience, exceptional stability and comfort and great battery performance.
Never had issue with notification as well as long uninstalled Vivo battery management witch is very aggressive and give all permission to app to work in background as by default Vivo is killing them.
The only benefits of Oxygen compared to Vivo or Oppo is the ability of rooting your device and all the potential open with that freedom.
For example I'm a big fan of substratum themes and testing several mod, tweak and custom rom and one of the basic reasons of buying oneplus 7 pro.
I really like have under full control the software experience.
Of course I'm buying it because I like full screen experience without any stupid notch or punch holes that I hate and never had issue with pop up camera (actually rarely I'm using front facing camera so I prefer being always hidden)
And of course the huge battery capacity of 4000 and the very promising new screen are all give me extra motivation of purchasing 7 Pro.
So as you can see I'm big fan of BBK group and their smartphone and prefer it over Samsung or Huawei devices as it's closest to my needs much more and really like of testing new design approach offering with unique character
Sent from my V1821A using Tapatalk
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Yes, Some of the features that you mentioned is not available in Oxygen OS. But everyone knows that Oxygen OS software smooth experience is way better than other BBK group phones. Many people including me doesn't like the Color OS and funtouch OS like they're copying stuffs from iOS but in Oxygen OS you can get an unique software experience .

AdhityaDhruv said:
Yes, Some of the features that you mentioned is not available in Oxygen OS. But everyone knows that Oxygen OS software smooth experience is way better than other BBK group phones. Many people including me doesn't like the Color OS and funtouch OS like they're copying stuffs from iOS but in Oxygen OS you can get an unique software experience .
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As I said I'm not having issues both skin like them the same for what their offer.
I'm totally disagree for smoothness experience,both skins are the same.
Never experienced any lag with Funtouch or loosing smoothness over time.
Same setup,same app,same usage both skins.
As for copying ios it's matter of personal preferences only.
Some people like it some others not.
It doesn't have any impact on smoothness or stability.
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paatha13 said:
As I said I'm not having issues both skin like them the same for what their offer.
I'm totally disagree for smoothness experience,both skins are the same.
Never experienced any lag with Funtouch or loosing smoothness over time.
Same setup,same app,same usage both skins.
As for copying ios it's matter of personal preferences only.
Some people like it some others not.
It doesn't have any impact on smoothness or stability.
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Yes, I agree with you.

paulsims said:
Right now I'm using OP5T. Thought of buying 6T but after looking at the vivo nex, I've attracted by it's design. BBK is a brand which owns the Vivo, Oneplus and Oppo. And the launch of OP7 is just weeks away with the design which I was expecting it to be. And I'm a guy who doesn't like selfies not gonna use the popup camera a lot so no worries about the mechanical part in my phone.
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If the in screen fingerprint reader is the same as used in the 6T get ready to be dissapointed, you are spoiled with the FP reader on the 5T

JedixJarf said:
If the in screen fingerprint reader is the same as used in the 6T get ready to be dissapointed, you are spoiled with the FP reader on the 5T
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What's wrong with the fingerprint scanner on the 6T? Mine works fine, it has also been stated in a few articles and tweets that it will have a 2nd generation improved Fingerprint Scanner.

schmeggy929 said:
What's wrong with the fingerprint scanner on the 6T? Mine works fine, it has also been stated in a few articles and tweets that it will have a 2nd generation improved Fingerprint Scanner.
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Nothing is "wrong" with it, it's just a much different experience than the lightning fast 5T reader.

schmeggy929 said:
What's wrong with the fingerprint scanner on the 6T? Mine works fine, it has also been stated in a few articles and tweets that it will have a 2nd generation improved Fingerprint Scanner.
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Mine is fine too
What issue are you facing??

I often wonder if people who complain about FP readers know that you can register the same thumb/finger multiple times for better detection. 5 digits can be registered and they don't all have to be different.

Mines absolutely bloody fantastic as well. Can't complain.

can't complaint, man
! Can't complaint at all!

One complaint is when your finger is moist/wet it wont register. Tell me yours dont suffer from that?
Dont get me wrong I love my 6T, and I'm going to get the Pro, but I hope the 2nd gen is better than the 1st.

easyguy said:
One complaint is when your finger is moist/wet it wont register. Tell me yours dont suffer from that?
Dont get me wrong I love my 6T, and I'm going to get the Pro, but I hope the 2nd gen is better than the 1st.
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Why is your finger moist/wet, is it a regular thing for you? Kinda of like people complaining it doesn't have an IP rating. Instead how about you just don't take your phone for a swim.

schmeggy929 said:
Why is your finger moist/wet, is it a regular thing for you? Kinda of like people complaining it doesn't have an IP rating. Instead how about you just don't take your phone for a swim.
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Who said anything about swimming with the phone? Dont assume, it makes you look stupid. Sweat, rain, washing your hand. I dont get how you cannot comprehend those things? Do you want me to draw pictures for you?

General ABOUT ALL THE PROBLEM YOU HAD/HAVE

Im so tired to read all the comment about bad things about this phone , i mean i personally doesnt habe the perfect phone , i came with some problems too but then i realize u will NEVER find this phone good enough when you only looking for it mistakes . Dude u should be happy own this phone , since the others can only dream for it . No phone is perfect ? You think iphone is better ? Or any other brand ? Well please use the others , and im sure you will do the same , you will found that all phones have their own problem , probably to make the phone perfect for you , you just have to accept what it is and be happy with it . Or buy a new phone that you consider better , and lets see did u complain too or no .
imo phone will get better in updates

As with everything else from phones to cars you'll only find people posting about the faults, you never get people posting about the good things. That's fine though.

Get better with updates?
You're in for some surprises.
Like a bad gf updates just keep giving

Well, tbh there's no such thing as perfect in this universe. Everything has flaws, flaws that make it unique.
Considering a phone, i believe, mobile companies tend to provide us with best of their hardware, however they do still lack behind when it comes to software. It may be appealing but it always lack certain features, tweaks, mods.
That is where custom roms comes in place.
We have Resurrection Remix - tweaking at it's extreme.
We have Lineage OS - stability at it's extreme.
For me, my perfect phone would be the flagship phone with a custom rom. What else you want huh? Consider Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 5G with Ressurection Remix, regardless of the fact that it has such a huge name XD.

I have bad delayed notification problems with my S21 Ultra.

felloffthetruck said:
I have bad delayed notification problems with my S21 Ultra.
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Try disabling -all- power management... destroyer of worlds
Developer options>standby apps, all buckets should show as active otherwise power management is active.
Be careful what apps you limit background data to and -don't- allow background battery usage as well.
It's most likely a settings misconfiguration... play with it.

I share the same feelings with this post. I think that moaning without really looking for any solution is useless.

eleven.co said:
Well, tbh there's no such thing as perfect in this universe. Everything has flaws, flaws that make it unique.
Considering a phone, i believe, mobile companies tend to provide us with best of their hardware, however they do still lack behind when it comes to software. It may be appealing but it always lack certain features, tweaks, mods.
That is where custom roms comes in place.
We have Resurrection Remix - tweaking at it's extreme.
We have Lineage OS - stability at it's extreme.
For me, my perfect phone would be the flagship phone with a custom rom. What else you want huh? Consider Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 5G with Ressurection Remix, regardless of the fact that it has such a huge name XD.
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Where did you find ressurection and lineage for the s21? :O

babyboy3265 said:
Where did you find ressurection and lineage for the s21? :O
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Lol, there aren't any atm. But, but. They will be in near future. So, you know, it will be really fun.

eleven.co said:
Lol, there aren't any atm. But, but. They will be in near future. So, you know, it will be really fun.
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Yea for sure... Only sadly the cameras wouldn't function at their max potential... Which kinda makes the mentioned roms unnecessary. :/

babyboy3265 said:
Yea for sure... Only sadly the cameras wouldn't function at their max potential... Which kinda makes the mentioned roms unnecessary. :/
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Yea. You are right. They should import the stock camera apps in those roms for that to work.

blackhawk said:
Try disabling -all- power management... destroyer of worlds
Developer options>standby apps, all buckets should show as active otherwise power management is active.
Be careful what apps you limit background data to and -don't- allow background battery usage as well.
It's most likely a settings misconfiguration... play with it.
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Thanks, I've already done of this with no positive results at all.

felloffthetruck said:
Thanks, I've already done of this with no positive results at all.
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Keep playing with it. Took me close to a year to fully sort out my Note 10+.
It runs extremely well now.

I have the perfect smartphone!
Does it have an SD card slot?
Yes!
Is it micro-SD format?
Yes
Does it support up to 1TB of SD memory?
Yes!
Does it support UFS 3.1?
Yes!
Is the SD slot on the bottom of the phone?
Yes! ... ?
Can the SD card be inserted face down?
No...? Why?
Doesn't sound perfect to me. My last phone before my last phone allowed you to insert the SD card upside down!
It's not the phones or the manufacturers, it's us!

Hi guys! I'm a new user of s21 Ultra. My last Android phone was LG G2.
I am using the Snapdragon version. The stock camera, the image it produce has too much contrast and doesn't seem natural to me. I am a hobbyist photographer so I could say what is good or what. And it isn't for me.
My version is up to date. All software update installed. Am i missing something here or it is what it is?

marshygeek said:
Hi guys! I'm a new user of s21 Ultra. My last Android phone was LG G2.
I am using the Snapdragon version. The stock camera, the image it produce has too much contrast and doesn't seem natural to me. I am a hobbyist photographer so I could say what is good or what. And it isn't for me.
My version is up to date. All software update installed. Am i missing something here or it is what it is?
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Check your display settings>screen mode.
Not sure what your options are but the "natural" setting produces truer rendering.
The vivid mode looks way oversaturated.
You may have more options in Developer options but probably not.

blackhawk said:
Check your display settings>screen mode.
Not sure what your options are but the "natural" setting produces truer rendering.
The vivid mode looks way oversaturated.
You may have more options in Developer options but probably not.
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Hello, thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, i am only using the "Natural" option. There is just too much noise on the image even though there is enough light not to force the phone to use high ISO.

marshygeek said:
Hello, thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, i am only using the "Natural" option. There is just too much noise on the image even though there is enough light not to force the phone to use high ISO.
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Try resetting camera data and clearing system cache.
Any case or cover that could be interfering?
Otherwise it may be a firmware or hardware issue.

SOLUTION TO DELAYED-NOTIFICATIONS:
Enable USB debugging on the phone.
You just unzip the file provided here in your PC: https://www.xda-developers.com/install-adb-windows-macos-linux/
Navigate to it via terminal.
Then, after you connect the phone to your PC, run:
./adb devices
./adb shell dumpsys deviceidle disable
That'll fix it for sure.
I simply cannot recommend Android to my normie friends and family.
Let me restate this: It is not our job to fix Google's bugs.
This is a US-centric view.
If you can't tell: I am a bit aggravated right now.
I could not get my GMail, GCal, and other notifications to come through properly on Pixel 5's Android 11 OR S21 Ultra's Android 11.
This has apparently been an issue that many an Android user suffers through silently -- and, some don't even know that this is happening to them. I guess they're embarrassed to publicly state that their mobile OS is subpar.
When you get an e-mail or if a calendar event reminder is coming up, and even if your phone's screen is OFF/locked: you should get an *instant* notification. No delay whatsoever.
Well, if my screen was off/locked, I wouldn't get these notifications or it would take 10+ minutes to show. But, once I unlocked my phone: boom, notifications. And, sometimes even if my screen wasn't locked, there would be a serious delay or no notification.
After spending loads of time trying to fix this problem, me and my friend finally stumbled upon a solution: ./adb shell dumpsys deviceidle disable
A reboot eliminates this setting modification, by the way.
Do not tell me that instant e-mail notifications are not necessary. Many of us work jobs that require them to be instant.
No end user should ever have to go through this. iPhone users certainly don't go through this.
If Google doesn't care about Android users, then, why should I, as an Android user, care about Android too? Just switch to iPhone, I guess.
Google pays Apple $10bn+ every year and makes better software for iOS than it does for Android.
Just look at the damn widgets that iOS users get.
So, $10bn/year plus the cost of the software developed to cater to iOS users.
This makes Google a simp cuck to Apple, nothing else.
Would Apple ever return this favor? No.
Therefore, Google management is a simp cucked by Apple, nothing more.
We are fools to be using this OS.
If Google is willing to subsidize my iOS software updates and experience to the tune of billions of dollars every single year -- then, why not just switch?
Clearly, my experience has shown me that Android can be cheaper -- if I don't value my time.
Statistic after statistic bears it out: iPhone users are wealthier.
I am tired of being an Android luser -- why should I take on such abuse and neglect by the main author of my mobile OS?
Before you start patronizing me: YES, I tried every other bloody trick in the book to fix this issue.
No end user should ever have to go through this! No end user should have to run adb commands to enable basic functionality.
There are some basic things that modern smartphones should just be able to do: instant notifications, 3rd party camera support, functioning RCS or some other form of E2EE messaging built-in, reliable local backups, a nationwide network of repair facilities, etc.
Android fails on all of these.
iPhone ordered. Glad to leave this Android ghetto behind.
Hey Google, if you have some self-respect: then, instead of paying Apple $10bn an year and doing iOS development, how about you actually work on some basic Android functionality instead?

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I simply cannot recommend Android to my normie friends and family.
No end user should ever have to go through this! No end user should have to run adb commands to enable basic functionality.
There are some basic things that modern smartphones should just be able to do: instant notifications, 3rd party camera support, functioning RCS or some other form of E2EE messaging built-in, reliable local backups, a nationwide network of repair facilities, etc.
Android fails on all of these.
iPhone ordered. Glad to leave this Android ghetto behind.
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Wish you all the best, and a happy life with your new iPhone. Life is short and there's no point putting up with what you hate.
I can see you're really upset about a lot of stuff on Android. You do make some very valid points about what's broken in Android. And I guess any of those can trigger a person ebough to make them switch to iOS. But I think it also has something to do with the user's requirement and not the OS alone. If there was just one "best" OS, nobody would spend more than a thousand dollars on an alternative. It's good to have a choice, and in your case, I'm glad you've exercised that in favor of what you think with add more value to your life.
I've had both iPhones and Android phones for years and both of them offer 90% of the same functions that you'd expect from a good smartphone. The remaining 10% is where you have to make a choice. There are many things to choose from: stability vs experimental features, customisation vs familiarity, update cycle, longevity, resale value, tinker-ability (I know that's not a word ), app support (there are some apps that only support one or the other OS), and the list goes on.
My childhood friend and me bought matching MacBook Pros when we jumped ship into the Apple ecosystem with an iPhone and an iPad. We were "sick" of android, and wanted a taste of the premium life that the fruit promised to offer. Five years on, he still uses all his Apple gadgets and has added a homepod, an apple watch and airpods to his growing apple inventory, whilst upgrading the the latest idevices every two years. Me on the other hand, went from MacOS to a bootcamped Windows installation after a year of purchase and don't even boot into MacOS unless I have to use Final Cut Pro. My workflow goes best with Windows, no matter how good MacOS may be. On the other hand, his doesn't - he's completely iin love with the Apple way, and that's fine.
Same with iOS. I kept the iPhone for 2 years before trading it in for a OnePlus because I hated being told that there was a "correct" way of doing something and only that way was allowed. I couldn't live with an OS that denied me access to my device's filesystem! That, in my opinion is a basic requirement - but this may not be the case for everyone. I like a robust notification system and I've found the Android implementation head and shoulders above what Apple offers. I like third party app stores and the ability to sideload apps on my phone. I can't get that on iOS. And the best part - if I don't like something on Android, it's possible I can fix it with some workaround (like the one you posted). I agree with you that no end user should have to do that, but regardless, it can be done if you want to. No such possibility exists on the other side of the fence. So I chose to live with the shortcomings of Android as opposed to the shortcomings of iOS - simply becasuse the former were more acceptable to me than the latter, not because Android is better or worse that iOS. It just offers me what "I" want in a mobile operating system.
It may be the opposite in the next person's case - someone who values the other side of the equation more, like yourself. That's why it's good to have a choice.
But i sincerely believe that it's not so bad on the Android side of things. It is a very versatile and stable operating system offering a lot of flexibility and customisability on par with a full fleged desktop class operating system. In the end, it boils down to a blend of the OS and the user, not either one in isolation.
I wish you the best with your new device. They are arguably beautiful pieces of technology. Have fun!
Hope to see you back on XDA in the future.

General X70 pro+ with Origin OS—Initial Review

A Happy New Year to everyone!
Today, when I received the first upgrade of Ocean OS (for Chinese model V2145A) I was thinking, maybe it's time for a little evaluation of the phone.
First thing first: why the Chinese X70 pro+?
It's not the money. After a bad experience with Trading Shengzheng which delayed the purchase for one month, I bought the phone from Wondamobile, but time was not on my side anymore. Weakened € comparing to $ and high demand for the phone drove the price up, and I paid over €1000.
So why the Chinese one? I needed a new phone and I didn't want to wait anymore, besides the global phone was not a reality, even the Indian one was vague at that time. And I really like Chinese phones, this is not my first Vivo, and before I was a lot on Huawei. They usually offer so much versatility and when you get the hang of Chinese configuration you can really make a phone the western one. And talking about the bloatware, a lot of western made phones are massively contaminated too.
Why Vivo?
I'm a kind of character that cares about freedom, I don't want the technical equipment to dictate me configuration, I want to configure my phone myself as I pleased. I started with Motorola when it was a US company, switched to Huawei after its decomposition and finally found a new company giving me enough space about customization in Vivo. Even their Chinese models obviously adapted to Chinese market are open enough and enable customization beyond any other models I've tried, and believe me, I've seen and tried a lot.
Not to mention the perfect state-of-the-art hardware, frequently upgraded and reliable software and excellent battery life.
So, what comes with the OCEAN OS?
Nothing much for westerns at first glance. You can't find most of the improvements you can see on introductory videos (like:
,
,
) on my phone. Yes, you might find them nice and useful, especially if you're an IOS fan, because the new Origin OS is basically an advanced and more featured version of the last IOS. But if you are staying with the original system configuration, you'll face Chinese letters too now and then.
But all new functional applications (Walkman, health, timer, dynamic wallpapers, notifications...) are easy to remove and that is exactly what I did. As you can see in attached pictures, I'm staying with the old fashion android configuration.
And I'm grateful to Vivo allowing me my own customization of the phone after upgrade.
But getting deeper, a lot has been changed anyway. We are talking about a complete system remake, nearly 7GB heavy. Therefore, it's Android 14, polished, totally new look, a better screen, nicer calling app, more useful camera settings and much more. The Origin Os becomes mature with the new upgrade.
The highlights: Display, Camera, Battery, Design
As you can see, the display really shines, serves it purpose in all conditions, and it's a Samsung's masterpiece of 2021.
What about battery? I must admit, I don't measure SOT anymore. Basically, there are two types of phones regarding battery for me: with sufficient and insufficient battery. In between is a gray zone that doesn't really mean anything.
And where is Vivo with the battery. It sevrves its purpose. That means, that for my type of use it usually last two days, sometimes one and something, but never, really never leaves me struggling with the power during one day. I consider myself as a heavy user regarding internet and apps, but I don't do games and don't use stuff around facebook.
About camera: I'm attaching a few comparison photos from X70 pro+ and from Iphone 13 pro max but Vivo is with the initial Origin OS (no Ocean). I consider Iphone slightly better at that time. But after that came two Oceans upgrade and especially the last one targets camera too. I think that regarding dedicated imaging chip, Vivo has a room for improvement. According to the DXOMark data the most worrisome issue in that matter is a slow autofocus: https://www.dxomark.com/vivo-x70-pro-plus-camera-review-flagship-level-camera/
But, as I said, it's too early for a fair camera evaluation, more shooting has to be done and maybe the new system had improved the camera already.
And design: One of the reason I wanted the Chinese phone is that I'm really fed up with the back glass phones. They are heavy and fragile. I really like my faux leader. And it has a good grip, finally I use the phone without a case (except in longer rough outdoor conditions).
On the other side, the long and narrow shape of the phone is not very stable with one hand manipulation. The Iphone 13 pro max is for example heavier, but one hand navigation is somehow easier.
I used to like larger phones, but I changed my mind. Now I believe that previous 6.56 inches phone screens were just right.
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Thanks for the review! I received my Chinese X70 Pro Plus from WondaMobile on 5th January and despite its quirks and spending a good couple of hours over ADB uninstalling apps, customising and tweaking notifications so they work, I'm genuinely over the moon with it. I have to agree with you on the level of customisation too - there is so much of this device you can make your own!
I've not had the Ocean update yet but the beta program is full so I guess I'll just have to wait a bit longer for the official roll out!

Hi,
I am considering the vivo x70 pro plus as my new mobile phone. Would you recommend it ? I am looking to buy it on traiding shenzen or Wondamobile. I regret that there is no possibility to install global version of the software. Did you pay a tax when you receive the package ? I am from Poland.

Mariuszuzd said:
Hi,
I am considering the vivo x70 pro plus as my new mobile phone. Would you recommend it ? I am looking to buy it on traiding shenzen or Wondamobile. I regret that there is no possibility to install global version of the software. Did you pay a tax when you receive the package ? I am from Poland.
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I bought it from Wonda Mobile, no import tax (Italy)

Hi,
One question, normally would you have tax, if you buy something outsider the EU in Italy? Are you satisfied with the phone ?

Mariuszuzd said:
Hi,
I am considering the vivo x70 pro plus as my new mobile phone. Would you recommend it ? I am looking to buy it on traiding shenzen or Wondamobile. I regret that there is no possibility to install global version of the software. Did you pay a tax when you receive the package ? I am from Poland.
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Wonda pays the tax, there is no import duties at all. And they are reliable. If you want to have a global model, I believe that you can buy it on Ebay now and then. But I wouldn't do that. It's not just a money, when I bought it, it hasn't been cheap at all. It is all about user experience.

Okay, understand. Final question, so you confirm the positive outcome and review? The phone is worth buying? I am considering mi 11 ultra, mi12 pro, OnePlus 9 pro or 10 pro and 70 pro plus. I watched several reviews on YouTube, but I am wondering if those could be paid. Better ask some who really use the phone. 5g, vowifi, volte, all is working in the Italy?

Mariuszuzd said:
Okay, understand. Final question, so you confirm the positive outcome and review? The phone is worth buying? I am considering mi 11 ultra, mi12 pro, OnePlus 9 pro or 10 pro and 70 pro plus. I watched several reviews on YouTube, but I am wondering if those could be paid. Better ask some who really use the phone. 5g, vowifi, volte, all is working in the Italy?
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For me it's a great phone. In Italy Vodafone Volte works during phone call; I don't have a 5G plan so I can't reply.

Mariuszuzd said:
Okay, understand. Final question, so you confirm the positive outcome and review? The phone is worth buying? I am considering mi 11 ultra, mi12 pro, OnePlus 9 pro or 10 pro and 70 pro plus. I watched several reviews on YouTube, but I am wondering if those could be paid. Better ask some who really use the phone. 5g, vowifi, volte, all is working in the Italy?
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5g works, my operator doesn't provide volte nor vowifi. But i have switches for both options.
In Italy you have every 5g band but mmwave (26GHz) covered.

Thank you for the reply. What about google pay, it works? Any issues with installing the apps from play store? Have you noticed anything which can be important to mention to potential buyer. I watched almost all reviews but those are not focusing on the system itself. I am a bit afraid of the optimalization and the software of that phone.

Mariuszuzd said:
Thank you for the reply. What about google pay, it works? Any issues with installing the apps from play store? Have you noticed anything which can be important to mention to potential buyer. I watched almost all reviews but those are not focusing on the system itself. I am a bit afraid of the optimalization and the software of that phone.
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Google Pay works, no problem with bank apps or any app installed from GPlay. Just two exceptions: hotword and Android Auto don't work. This is due to the latest Google configuration demanding both to be system apps. Everything else work just fine.
If you are familiar with customization of the phone, you have nothing to worry about. And there are plenty of instructions around.

piskr said:
Google Pay works, no problem with bank apps or any app installed from GPlay. Just two exceptions: hotword and Android Auto don't work. This is due to the latest Google configuration demanding both to be system apps. Everything else work just fine.
If you are familiar with customization of the phone, you have nothing to worry about. And there are plenty of instructions around.
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Even WearOS watch doesn't work with Global app. You have to download WearOS app from Vivo App Store but doing that way Google Pay doesn't work from the watch.

maxant69 said:
Even WearOS watch doesn't work with Global app. You have to download WearOS app from Vivo App Store but doing that way Google Pay doesn't work from the watch.
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Can't really tell. Never used a smart watch and neither intend to, my central intelligent device was always a phone. The watch functionality seems always to limited to me to bother. Small screen, 1 more device to worry about battery and get little in return really never attracted me. Know people bought smart watches and abandoned them soon after.

hello I have x70 pro plus Chinese version, have you solved the problem with the notifications? I have activated all permissions and I work in the background but gmail and other applications arrive late

piskr said:
Can't really tell. Never used a smart watch and neither intend to, my central intelligent device was always a phone. The watch functionality seems always to limited to me to bother. Small screen, 1 more device to worry about battery and get little in return really never attracted me. Know people bought smart watches and abandoned them soon after.
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WearOs is pure garbage, but it doesn't complete work on chinese firmware. I someone wants a smartwatch better stay away from it and buy other brand (Huawei, Amazfit, Mi..)

lucaluca72 said:
hello I have x70 pro plus Chinese version, have you solved the problem with the notifications? I have activated all permissions and I work in the background but gmail and other applications arrive late
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Did you remove/disable com.vivo.pem?

piskr said:
Google Pay works, no problem with bank apps or any app installed from GPlay. Just two exceptions: hotword and Android Auto don't work. This is due to the latest Google configuration demanding both to be system apps. Everything else work just fine.
If you are familiar with customization of the phone, you have nothing to worry about. And there are plenty of instructions around.
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Guys, yesterday I received the third update since I was on Ocean. This time it addressed better functionality of this party apps among others and implemented January security patch. Although it is beta it appears pretty stable already. I believe that the stable version is very close.

I"m waiting for confirmation and working of android auto. At the moment that is a big issue and Android auto is not working on any Vivo phone. I have seen some posts regarding the X60.

Mariuszuzd said:
I"m waiting for confirmation and working of android auto. At the moment that is a big issue and Android auto is not working on any Vivo phone. I have seen some posts regarding the X60.
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And it won't as long as Google keeps request to be a system app. I believe that it's a total longshot. Hence I started to look for alternative solutions.
One I currently use is involving a intermediate element between the phone and the headunit. I use one old tablet with broken glass for the purpose and it works perfectly with limitations. The limitation is that I must use sip on the tablet if I want to call someone through the headunit and there is no way to accept the call this way.
But all other AA functions works flawlessly (music, maps, streaming) through hotspot from the phone.
In order to have working calling and hotword function I ordered a dedicated mid gadget which supposed to support that. I'll tell more after receiving it.

Mariuszuzd said:
I"m waiting for confirmation and working of android auto. At the moment that is a big issue and Android auto is not working on any Vivo phone. I have seen some posts regarding the X60.
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Android Auto won't work on Vivo devices with Android 11 and up.
It works for example on Vivo X50 Pro Plus because is still on Android 10.