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Hello everyone,
I was so pumped to get the Note 4 and I even pre ordered one. The problem is when I found that my country will get the Snapdragon version. After looking all over the web its clear that the Exynos 5433 is a winner this time and it beats the SC805 by a noticeable score in benchmarks.
Now you might say that benchmarks means nothing and it won't matter BUT the Exynos is 20nm 64bit processor. This mean it will be better when Android L comes out which will support the 64bit. Also since its coming with 20nm vs the 28nm from Snapdragon, it should run efficiently and produce less heat from gaming and heavy use.
What is your thought?
Exynos 5433-powered Samsung Galaxy Note 4 benchmarked - GSMArena.com news
samsung SM-N910F vs samsung SM-N910C - Geekbench Browser
It definitely slowed down my decision but the general consensus is that though the exynos version supports 64 bit it will be locked to 32 bit by Samsung so as not to cause an uproar with the North American Snapdragon users. However there is still an increase in performance in the Exynos version @ 32 bit compared to Snapdragon so really what it comes down to IMO is whether you mind not having LTE Speeds in NA.
Just a heads up there is a rumor floating around about the Snapdragon and Exynos having different Rear Camera Sensors so that needs some further prodding as well.
cillerbee said:
It definitely slowed down my decision but the general consensus is that though the exynos version supports 64 bit it will be locked to 32 bit by Samsung so as not to cause an uproar with the North American Snapdragon users. However there is still an increase in performance in the Exynos version @ 32 bit compared to Snapdragon so really what it comes down to IMO is whether you mind not having LTE Speeds in NA.
Just a heads up there is a rumor floating around about the Snapdragon and Exynos having different Rear Camera Sensors so that needs some further prodding as well.
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I live in Qatar and the Exynos version support LTE bands here which are 800/2600. But as you mentioned the camera is another story as well.
What about the battery ? 8 cores vs 4 cores shouldn't the SC-805 have better battery life?
I can wait until Friday the 17th and buy it from Samsung retailer or buy it now off Amazon.com which doesn't come with warranty. I don't need the warranty since I root my phone and trigger the Knox.
Yathani said:
I live in Qatar and the Exynos version support LTE bands here which are 800/2600. But as you mentioned the camera is another story as well.
What about the battery ? 8 cores vs 4 cores shouldn't the SC-805 have better battery life?
I can wait until Friday the 17th and buy it from Samsung retailer or buy it now off Amazon.com which doesn't come with warranty. I don't need the warranty since I root my phone and trigger the Knox.
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Exynos has big.LITTLE, you should read about it
cillerbee said:
It definitely slowed down my decision but the general consensus is that though the exynos version supports 64 bit it will be locked to 32 bit by Samsung so as not to cause an uproar with the North American Snapdragon users. However there is still an increase in performance in the Exynos version @ 32 bit compared to Snapdragon so really what it comes down to IMO is whether you mind not having LTE Speeds in NA.
Just a heads up there is a rumor floating around about the Snapdragon and Exynos having different Rear Camera Sensors so that needs some further prodding as well.
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Lodix said:
Exynos has big.LITTLE, you should read about it
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what do you mean by big, little ?!
No, i would be happy with either of the two. I would prefer Exynos maybe, because i am using Exynos Tab S 8.4 and all my previous Galaxy phones were Snapdragons. BUT difference is not that big and i am sure that both work the same.
Today I saw it in my carrier's site and for first time they will sell Exynos model.. All Notes before were Snapdragon in Bulgaria.. And I was sceptical about it.. Then I read here what's better, and most people say Exynos is better and the camera is with better sensor.. Hope they are right.
Yathani said:
what do you mean by big, little ?!
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The Octacore version has 2 different clusters, one with 4 cores Cortex A53 which are very efficency and the other has 4 cores Cortex A57 which are very powerfull but use a lot of power, so depending on the load in the CPU it will use a combination of them to be the most balance as possible.
Lodix said:
The Octacore version has 2 different clusters, one with 4 cores Cortex A53 which are very efficency and the other has 4 cores Cortex A57 which are very powerfull but use a lot of power, so depending on the load in the CPU it will use a combination of them to be the most balance as possible.
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I see now. I thought all of the 8 cores work at the sametime.
Thanks
Yathani said:
I live in Qatar and the Exynos version support LTE bands here which are 800/2600. But as you mentioned the camera is another story as well.
What about the battery ? 8 cores vs 4 cores shouldn't the SC-805 have better battery life?
I can wait until Friday the 17th and buy it from Samsung retailer or buy it now off Amazon.com which doesn't come with warranty. I don't need the warranty since I root my phone and trigger the Knox.
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Exynos and LTE 800 are you sure? I've been searching the web to find any information about a Note 4 Exynos that has 4G LTE 800 Mhz and I can't find anything!
How are you so sure your model supports it? And what is the model number do you know?
Yathani said:
what do you mean by big, little ?!
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big.LITTLE: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4991/...alcore-more-power-efficient-highend-devices/2
Apple supposedly uses it with their current SoC's.
roryh86 said:
Exynos and LTE 800 are you sure? I've been searching the web to find any information about a Note 4 Exynos that has 4G LTE 800 Mhz and I can't find anything!
How are you so sure your model supports it? And what is the model number do you know?
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I think he meant 1800?
Would be very interesting to find an Exynos with 800+2600 Bands.
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Yathani said:
I live in Qatar and the Exynos version support LTE bands here which are 800/2600. But as you mentioned the camera is another story as well.
What about the battery ? 8 cores vs 4 cores shouldn't the SC-805 have better battery life?
I can wait until Friday the 17th and buy it from Samsung retailer or buy it now off Amazon.com which doesn't come with warranty. I don't need the warranty since I root my phone and trigger the Knox.
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Would you mind taking a screenshot of the back of your Note 4 box and also which Qatar network carrier you with?
Wow thanks everyone I'm glad i made this thread. I was following some Amazon review who mentioned that he received the SM-N910U version and he listed wrong Lte bands that support it. Which he edited just now.
Also this website
http://www.atgsm.com/mobile/Product.aspx?id=2948
Which doesnt seems to be accurate after i tried to match the info with other websites with no luck.
I was looking at the International version which is SM-N910U but it doesn't look like it support 800/2600.
I'm very sorry guys for confusing you all.
Regards
Yathani
I take Exynos this time...and i am very happy with it...!!!!
jpbl1976 said:
big.LITTLE: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4991/...alcore-more-power-efficient-highend-devices/2
Apple supposedly uses it with their current SoC's.
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Apple doesn't use big.LITTLE.
Yathani said:
I see now. I thought all of the 8 cores work at the sametime.
Thanks
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They sometimes do.
http://www.mobileshop.eu/phablets/samsung/galaxy-note-4-sm-n910u/
Another website that say the SM-N910U comes with 800/2600 lte
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http://www.mobileshop.eu/phablets/samsung/galaxy-note-4-sm-n910u/
Another website that say the SM-N910U comes with 800/2600 lte
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They are wrong, if you check in website of Samsung in Hong Kong where they are selling the N910U, in the specs it miss LTE on 800.
I personally am leaning towards sd805 because of more xda support. Otherwise both models are good ( don't forget to check LTE for your region)
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They are wrong, if you check in website of Samsung in Hong Kong where they are selling the N910U, in the specs it miss LTE on 800.
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I only care about is 700mhz, so I bought 910U coz later on Australia will start use 700mhz for high speed network...
After being disappointed with a locked bootloader on my AT&T Note 3, I decided to not make the same mistake again. With Android L coming out with 64bit CPU support and with 20nm die size it looks Exynos is the winner. Yes, Snapdragon was more popular before, but I'm pretty sure 64bit will be the hot topic with Note 4 development.
So what you came here to see. I found this wiki page detailing all the bands and processor information for different devices:
http://ko.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/삼성_갤럭시_노트_4
It shows bands 4 and 17 (among others). Now, that wasn't enough proof for me so I started searching some more and got the FCC data for N910C.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=544347&fcc_id=A3LSMN910C
You can check out LTE Test Reports 1 and 2. It shows LTE bands 2, 4, 5, 17 on the first report. The second is just more technical data.
I didn't see anything about band 12. Sorry T-Mobile users.
If anybody finds any information about purchasing one, please share.
Many state the 910F is the most versatile worldwide (for LTE, etc.), but the 910C may also be on my radar if this is the case.
Just remember that the SD805 will be getting the most attention in terms of development since most owners out there will be having a Snapdragon device.
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Many state the 910F is the most versatile worldwide (for LTE, etc.)
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According to the wiki page the F and C both support the same exact bands. The difference is the F is Qualcomm based technologies.
LTE on Exynos for AT&T in the US has been a sticking point for me, I will be following this thread with great interest, thanks.
Why don't just go for N910U ?
I haven't came across much info regarding the C model. However, if the C model is released in Europe that would be a plus for me. Besides Wiki and FCC, are there any official sources for the C-variant containing Exynos?
Also seems like the FCC weren't testing the official device at the time as the tests were conducting in early Summer. Um....
CLShortFuse said:
According to the wiki page the F and C both support the same exact bands. The difference is the F is Qualcomm based technologies.
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Lodix said:
Why don't just go for N910U ?
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No support for band 17 (700mhz).
arjun90 said:
I haven't came across much info regarding the C model. However, if the C model is released in Europe that would be a plus for me. Besides Wiki and FCC, are there any official sources for the C-variant containing Exynos?
Also seems like the FCC weren't testing the official device at the time as the tests were conducting in early Summer. Um....
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It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.
You mention the Exynos for 64bit support later. But has it not already been confirmed the soc has 64bit disabled? It would not be able to run it? Source: anandtech.
Correct me if i'm wrong!
The FCC states tests were conducted on a pre-production unit with the 910C being the Base Model. I really do hope the 910C is an international LTE Unlocked Variant similar to the 910F; otherwise, the 910F would have to do.
The 910C contains the latest Wolfson DAC.
CLShortFuse said:
No support for band 4 (700mhz).
It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.
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You're right; Samsung intended the latest Exynos model to be half-baked with no support for the 64-bit architecture. The same applies to Dell's Venue 8 Pro Windows tablet, which contains a 64-bit CPU, but OS is strictly 32-bit. Petition anyone?
Hendrickson said:
You mention the Exynos for 64bit support later. But has it not already been confirmed the soc has 64bit disabled? It would not be able to run it? Source: anandtech.
Correct me if i'm wrong!
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CLShortFuse said:
No support for band 4 (700mhz).
It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE"]samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.
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But I found this that says SM-N910U does support band 4. fccid.net/document.php?id=2381341#axzz3G8lJ0461 I'm so confused.
CLShortFuse said:
No support for band 4 (700mhz).
It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.
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It supports band 700.
Hendrickson said:
You mention the Exynos for 64bit support later. But has it not already been confirmed the soc has 64bit disabled? It would not be able to run it? Source: anandtech.
Correct me if i'm wrong!
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It's not disabled. The problem is native 64bit instructions (drivers) weren't written for it. It makes sense considering that Samsung would have to write a 64bit layer for Android. That's a whole lot of work. Google is already writing one for Android L, so if ever in the future, Samsung creates the 64 bit drivers for any device running the same chip, somebody can cook up a new kernel with it.
Right now, it's running in some downgraded 32bit layer. The "if" Anandtech is talking about is Samsung doesn't ever have to write those 64bit drivers. I'm willing to take that chance instead of the 0% possibility Snapdragon brings.
colster1000 said:
But I found this that says SM-N910U does support band 4. fccid.net/document.php?id=2381341#axzz3G8lJ0461 I'm so confused.
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Lodix said:
It supports band 700.
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Sorry. I mixed up the numbers. U/F/C/G support band 4 (1700mhz). Only the F/C support band 17 (700mhz). C runs Exynos while F runs Snapdragon.
CLShortFuse said:
It's not disabled. The problem is native 64bit instructions (drivers) weren't written for it. It makes sense considering that Samsung would have to write a 64bit layer for Android. That's a whole lot of work. Google is already writing one for Android L, so if ever in the future, Samsung creates the 64 bit drivers for any device running the same chip, somebody can cook up a new kernel with it.
Right now, it's running in some downgraded 32bit layer. The "if" Anandtech is talking about is Samsung doesn't ever have to write those 64bit drivers. I'm willing to take that chance instead of the 0% possibility Snapdragon brings.
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well you are right and plus you are still getting a 20%ish faster processor even if it stays as 32bit. even snapdragon 810 will be same chipset with probably better gpu and and higher clock speed and 64 bit enabled for sure.
only problem is does it realy support at&t lte? yes it connects for sure (some reviewers using it in youtube) but it is maybe struggling with battery cuz it doesnt fully support us lte standarts. other people reported good battery life on exynos but some reviewers in us said battery isnt good.
so you just need to be sure about it otherwise exynos seems realy better except custom rom support but as far as i can see touchwiz is running best of its time and realy good in general usage and as a note owner i assume no1 will want cm on it. root and xposed will be more than enough. atleast its my opinion.
Samsung Malaysia will release the SM-910C model this 17th Oct....initially I was going to wait for the 910F variant from europe or middle east..due to lte bands i needed most. Thanks to this thread I can now go home and do some shopping...thanks
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CLShortFuse said:
Sorry. I mixed up the numbers. U/F/C/G support band 4 (1700mhz). Only the F/C support band 17 (700mhz). C runs Exynos while F runs Snapdragon.
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It says it supports band 700 but in B28, I guess it is not the same.
tmac31 said:
well you are right and plus you are still getting a 20%ish faster processor even if it stays as 32bit. even snapdragon 810 will be same chipset with probably better gpu and and higher clock speed and 64 bit enabled for sure.
only problem is does it realy support at&t lte? yes it connects for sure (some reviewers using it in youtube) but it is maybe struggling with battery cuz it doesnt fully support us lte standarts. other people reported good battery life on exynos but some reviewers in us said battery isnt good.
so you just need to be sure about it otherwise exynos seems realy better except custom rom support but as far as i can see touchwiz is running best of its time and realy good in general usage and as a note owner i assume no1 will want cm on it. root and xposed will be more than enough. atleast its my opinion.
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All of the benchmarks say the Exynos has better battery, but I will admit a lot of tests are inconsistent. As for support, I've had this dumb, locked Note 3 for too long and I can accept less custom ROMs. I honestly think people would be excited to make custom 64bit ROM and I'm hoping on it.
As for the AT&T bands, I'm going to trust the FCC data and that ridiculously detailed Korean wiki site.
In fact, I just bought one on eBay for $899. It ships from Malaysia so I'll get it in a few weeks. I'll keep you guys updated when I do.
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All of the benchmarks say the Exynos has better battery, but I will admit a lot of tests are inconsistent. As for support, I've had this dumb, locked Note 3 for too long and I can accept less custom ROMs. I honestly think people would be excited to make custom 64bit ROM and I'm hoping on it.
As for the AT&T bands, I'm going to trust the FCC data and that ridiculously detailed Korean wiki site.
In fact, I just bought one on eBay for $899. It ships from Malaysia so I'll get it in a few weeks. I'll keep you guys updated when I do.
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And don't forget, general message to all: Andrei has a campaign (below) to get him a -C Exynos to develop Perseus. If Perseus has worked as well for you as it has for me in the past, please consider donating, and we'll get Perseus going for Note 4 Exynos as well.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/note-4-exynos-development-device/x/8868000
Don't all the Exynos ones have the Wolfson DAC?
Sure your right the 20nm CPU should be easier on the batter and the Wolfson DAC is slightly better I think. I'm looking at an SM-910U from Hong Kong.
arjun90 said:
Many state the 910F is the most versatile worldwide (for LTE, etc.), but the 910C may also be on my radar if this is the case.
Just remember that the SD805 will be getting the most attention in terms of development since most owners out there will be having a Snapdragon device.
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Custom ROMs are just repackaged stock ROMS nowadays with minor changes here and there, anything you really want to do to it from a modification standpoint can be done with Xposed. Kernel development is where it is at, and frankly, there isn't a single kernel in Snapdragon land that comes close to touching Perseus for Exynos.
Hey all. I am currently using a Galaxy S4 in the US and want to upgrade to the S10+ base storage and RAM. I will soon be going off to college so I plan to keep this phone for at least 4-5 years so I don't spend too much on a new one. I am torn between 3 different models, the Snapdragon, the Exynos Dual-Sim that will be available on Amazon, and the regular Exynos that I can get shipped from my relatives in India. I have a few questions though:
1. If I buy the Exynos models, will I still be able to get One UI 2.0 beta in the US? Since India always gets the beta, will I get it at the same time India does, or do I have to wait till the US beta opens? Will any other US features (except VoLTE and Wifi-Calling) be impacted?
2. I use T-Mobile. I read somewhere that the Exynos 9810 does not support the new 600mhz band for T-Mobile, so will the new one have support or no? This one really isn't that big of a deal just so long as I get LTE.
3. If I buy it from India, will my relatives have to put their SIM in it to activate it (does it have a regional lock)? If so, when I factory reset it, will it revert back to the regional locked state?
4. When will I get software updates? When the rest of the Exynos models get them?
5. What are the advantages and disadvantages of Exynos over Snapdragon besides OEM Unlock?
6. If I buy the Dual Sim model, is there good ROM support for it or only for the Single SIM Exynos?
For me OEM Unlock is a major option because of how long I will keep the phone. Thank you so much for your thoughts!
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Hey all. I am currently using a Galaxy S4 in the US and want to upgrade to the S10+ base storage and RAM. I will soon be going off to college so I plan to keep this phone for at least 4-5 years so I don't spend too much on a new one. I am torn between 3 different models, the Snapdragon, the Exynos Dual-Sim that will be available on Amazon, and the regular Exynos that I can get shipped from my relatives in India. I have a few questions though:
1. If I buy the Exynos models, will I still be able to get One UI 2.0 beta in the US? Since India always gets the beta, will I get it at the same time India does, or do I have to wait till the US beta opens? Will any other US features (except VoLTE and Wifi-Calling) be impacted?
2. I use T-Mobile. I read somewhere that the Exynos 9810 does not support the new 600mhz band for T-Mobile, so will the new one have support or no? This one really isn't that big of a deal just so long as I get LTE.
3. If I buy it from India, will my relatives have to put their SIM in it to activate it (does it have a regional lock)? If so, when I factory reset it, will it revert back to the regional locked state?
4. When will I get software updates? When the rest of the Exynos models get them?
5. What are the advantages and disadvantages of Exynos over Snapdragon besides OEM Unlock?
6. If I buy the Dual Sim model, is there good ROM support for it or only for the Single SIM Exynos?
For me OEM Unlock is a major option because of how long I will keep the phone. Thank you so much for your thoughts!
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To the best of my knowledge:
1. Yes. As for US features that depends on whether your carrier supports them on the international model.
2. You need to confirm with T-Mobile. The international model may not support all bands in the US, and vice versa
3. Nope, that shouldn't be a problem.
4. Software updates in the US are pushed through the carrier, whereas international models get them direct from Samsung. So the timeline for both may not be the same
5. Lot more development on XDA for the Exynos models, simply because they have an unlocked bootloader
6. They are basically the same with the exception of the second SIM slot. Almost all ROMs for the single sim variant should work for the dual-sim version too.
I have the EXynos Note 9 on T-Mobile usa and very happy with development, network, etc...
galaxys said:
I have the EXynos Note 9 on T-Mobile usa and very happy with development, network, etc...
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Did you get one ui since it is already available for exynos models?
mrao said:
To the best of my knowledge:
1. Yes. As for US features that depends on whether your carrier supports them on the international model.
2. You need to confirm with T-Mobile. The international model may not support all bands in the US, and vice versa
3. Nope, that shouldn't be a problem.
4. Software updates in the US are pushed through the carrier, whereas international models get them direct from Samsung. So the timeline for both may not be the same
5. Lot more development on XDA for the Exynos models, simply because they have an unlocked bootloader
6. They are basically the same with the exception of the second SIM slot. Almost all ROMs for the single sim variant should work for the dual-sim version too.
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Awesome thank you! I guess ill go for the dual sim on amazon just in case the indian one is regional locked.
tneot01 said:
Did you get one ui since it is already available for exynos models?
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Yes, I'm running one ui with Pie which made my Note 9 even better!
Still remember when my Galaxy S9 was preordered to later realise that the exynos variant suffered from severe battery loss due to soc design architecture.
Returned it within the 30 day window
S9 flopped
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Finally got Android P installed and the first thing I did was a erase cache within recovery mode.
Running super fast
Exynos will probably get root and unlocked bootloader. The Snapdragon will be locked down like a puppy. So if you care about root, or development, get the Exynos. If you don't, then the Snapdragon will do.
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Eudeferrer said:
Exynos will probably get root and unlocked bootloader. The Snapdragon will be locked down like a puppy. So if you care about root, or development, get the Exynos. If you don't, then the Snapdragon will do.
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Based on previous releases you should be able to get an unlocked bootloader on the Snapdragon variant from Hong Kong. Likely less custom ROM's but no issues with battery drain or overheating, plus early benchmarks reflect the Snapdragon out performing the Exynos Chipset.
varcor said:
plus early benchmarks reflect the Snapdragon out performing the Exynos Chipset.
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Where that at? All the ones I have seen show the opposite.
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Kaliaila said:
Where that at? All the ones I have seen show the opposite.
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A number of websites are reporting this, including Android Authority.
https://www-androidauthority-com.cd...apdragon-855-performance-benchmarking-942690/
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A number of websites are reporting this, including Android Authority.
https://www-androidauthority-com.cd...apdragon-855-performance-benchmarking-942690/
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I didn't see any part of that post that dealt with Exynos 9820 that is in the S10.
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Where that at? All the ones I have seen show the opposite.
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The Snapdragon 855 is also outperforming the newest Exynos 9820 in benchmark testing, including the CPU's. Likely most users won't be able to notice a difference with the exception of gaming. The Snapdragon looks to be vastly better optimized in this regard. Also, we'll have a better understanding for performance metrics once the chipsets are tweaked for final release.
https://wccftech-com.cdn.ampproject...w.google.com%26amp_tf%3DFrom%2520%25251%2524s
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The Snapdragon 855 is also outperforming the newest Exynos 9820 in benchmark testing, including the CPU's. Likely most users won't be able to notice a difference with the exception of gaming. The Snapdragon looks to be vastly better optimized in this regard. Also, we'll have a better understanding for performance metrics once the chipsets are tweaked for final release.
https://wccftech-com.cdn.ampproject...w.google.com%26amp_tf%3DFrom%2520%25251%2524s
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Except there are many sites getting the opposite results.
https://************/exynos-9820-be...ench-scores-almost-matches-apples-a12-bionic/
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Except there are many sites getting the opposite results.
https://************/exynos-9820-be...ench-scores-almost-matches-apples-a12-bionic/
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For myself, unless S10/S10+ prices come in much lower than rumors suggest, these chipset comparisons won't mean much. Rumors suggest the S10+ with 512gb memory and 8gb RAM exceeds $1,400.00 USD. Not a player at that price but if I was, even if the Snapdragon 855 is anywhere close to the Exynos 9820, it would be my choice, particularly after seeing the battery drain and overheating issues associated with the Exynos devices. Sure, they'll always be the Exynos users stating they never experienced any problems however many users are/were affected as noted from postings here on XDA and elsewhere.
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For myself, unless S10/S10+ prices come in much lower than rumors suggest, these chipset comparisons won't mean much. Rumors suggest the S10+ with 512gb memory and 8gb RAM exceeds $1,400.00 USD. Not a player at that price but if I was, even if the Snapdragon 855 is anywhere close to the Exynos 9820, it would be my choice, particularly after seeing the battery drain and overheating issues associated with the Exynos devices. Sure, they'll always be the Exynos users stating they never experienced any problems however many users are/were affected as noted from postings here on XDA and elsewhere.
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All of the claims of $1300+ prices are based off of exchange rates for pounds not off of actual US prices. It will be under $1000.
Also, the UK has a 20% VAT which is built into their prices.
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Kaliaila said:
All of the claims of $1300+ prices are based off of exchange rates for pounds not off of actual US prices. It will be under $1000.
Also, the UK has a 20% VAT which is built into their prices.
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Not according to sources from Techradar and Forbes, $1,340.00 and $1,390.00 USD respectively. It looks as though Samsung is going to reap additional profits via memory upgrades. A difference in price close to $300.00 USD between 128Gb and 512Gb. Surely a big markup considering Samsung is the largest producer of memory chips. Guessing their actual cost difference between the two is less than $50.00. And these prices are for the 4G device. Projected increase for the 5G devices is around $200.00. We'll know for certain in a couple of weeks.
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Not according to sources from Techradar and Forbes, $1,340.00 and $1,390.00 USD respectively. It looks as though Samsung is going to reap additional profits via memory upgrades. A difference in price close to $300.00 USD between 128Gb and 512Gb. Surely a big markup considering Samsung is the largest producer of memory chips. Guessing their actual cost difference between the two is less than $50.00. And these prices are for the 4G device. Projected increase for the 5G devices is around $200.00. We'll know for certain in a couple of weeks.
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The sources for both of those articles are the UK prices I previously mentioned. And again the VAT was not removed. If there is any version of the S10 which will start above $1,000 it will be the Special Edition version as that will be the only one which comes with 5G in addition to it being larger in all areas (6.7 inches, 1TB storage, and 10-12GB of RAM).
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The sources for both of those articles are the UK prices I previously mentioned. And again the VAT was not removed. If there is any version of the S10 which will start above $1,000 it will be the Special Edition version as that will be the only one which comes with 5G in addition to it being larger in all areas (6.7 inches, 1TB storage, and 10-12GB of RAM).
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I wish you're right but not a chance!
Don’t get the exynos variant if you want a samsung flagship phone. Never.
In my opinion, flagship phones deserve a flagship soc, and that is not exynos.
Search google for:
Samsung Galaxy Note9 Performance & Battery Showdown: Snapdragon vs Exynos
And read through the AnandTech review.
If someone could help me find out if its possible to pre-order or buy the s10 International (Exynos) variants from USA. Thanks
I think Bestbuy will be the best place to look.
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Here's the info about usa Pre order and trade in.
Tried to pre order from the UK site, and they wont ship to the US. Not sure which version the unlocked version will be - they dont post model numbers... following for sure.
Clove.co.uk
As above, Clove offer delivery to the U.S
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If someone could help me find out if its possible to pre-order or buy the s10 International (Exynos) variants from USA. Thanks
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Galaxy-S10-Plus/192828272845
I bought from them multiple times before, they are trustable
Thanks for the tip. Gonna pull the trigger on this. Really wanted prism green. Just need to get cracking on getting S-Pay to work on it.
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Galaxy-S10-Plus/192828272845
I bought from them multiple times before, they are trustable
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I pulled the trigger on the Prism Green S10+ (G975F/DS) from them on Thursday. Looks like it is shipping out on Monday (I thought it might be last Friday) since they claimed it was in stock. I've bought a few phones from them before and they've always delivered so am hoping that they come through!
Reading on down that Ebay listing I see one thing in the specs that has me wondering.
"OS Android 9.0 (Pie); One UI
ChipsetExynos 9820 Octa (8 nm) - EMEA
Qualcomm SDM855 Snapdragon 855 (7 nm) - USA/LATAM, China"
That doesn't mean that they will ship a Snapdragon model to the US does it bacause it sure reads that way unless that's just a copy/paste of Samsung's specs.
You're reading too much into it. It's just a copy paste.
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You're reading too much into it. It's just a copy paste.
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When buying crap off Ebay, I never read too much into it.
Sorry for the bit off topic question but why would you even want the Exynos version? AFAIK the 855 beats the 9820 benchmark wise. The only reason I see to get the Exynos version is its 8K video recording potential (if we can hack it to work).
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Sorry for the bit off topic question but why would you even want the Exynos version? AFAIK the 855 beats the 9820 benchmark wise. The only reason I see to get the Exynos version is its 8K video recording potential (if we can hack it to work).
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That's not really true from what I have seen, the Exynos beats out the Snapdragon in both single core & multicore, correct me if I'm wrong......
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Reading on down that Ebay listing I see one thing in the specs that has me wondering.
"OS Android 9.0 (Pie); One UI
ChipsetExynos 9820 Octa (8 nm) - EMEA
Qualcomm SDM855 Snapdragon 855 (7 nm) - USA/LATAM, China"
That doesn't mean that they will ship a Snapdragon model to the US does it bacause it sure reads that way unless that's just a copy/paste of Samsung's specs.
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Its the dual-sim version and only Exynos have dual SIM versions
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That's not really true from what I have seen, the Exynos beats out the Snapdragon in both single core & multicore, correct me if I'm wrong......
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Here you go: https://www.bgr.in/news/samsung-gal...nchmark-scores-revealed-march-8-india-launch/
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Sorry for the bit off topic question but why would you even want the Exynos version? AFAIK the 855 beats the 9820 benchmark wise. The only reason I see to get the Exynos version is its 8K video recording potential (if we can hack it to work).
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If Samsung's history with the past several S models remains the same, the Exynos version will have a fully unlocked bootloader, while the USA 855 models will be fully locked down.
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If Samsung's history with the past several S models remains the same, the Exynos version will have a fully unlocked bootloader, while the USA 855 models will be fully locked down.
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You have a point there, but there is a possibility of network incompatibilities with US carriers. I heard that some T-Mobile bands are unsupported.
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You have a point there, but there is a possibility of network incompatibilities with US carriers. I heard that some T-Mobile bands are unsupported.
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True, band 71 & carrier aggragation & some calling features & warranty if unlocked...
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You have a point there, but there is a possibility of network incompatibilities with US carriers. I heard that some T-Mobile bands are unsupported.
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I can't speak to the S10 models, but I have both a T-Mobile (Qualcomm) and international (Exyonos) S7. I've never seen a difference in connectivity or download speeds between the two of them. I'm guessing the situation will be similar with the S10, but only time will tell. The reality for me is that the current speed and quality of connection I get is terrific, and I'd assume that either S10 version will at least equal and probably better what I'm getting now. Our needs all vary, of course, but I'll sacrifice some download speed (if that even ends up being the case) for an unlocked bootloader every time.
Is there any difference between the snapdragon 4g only version of the phone compared to the 5g version? Other than the 5g connectivity obviously.
Want to buy the phone but don't have the 5g version available in my country, only 4g exynos and snapdragon. There will also be no 5g coverage any time soon here so that's not an important factor.
Thanks all for any replies.
The 5G chipset(s) can suck battery. The 4G chipset(s) may be better integrated and likely more efficient.
Even were 5G is available so far its performance isn't that much faster (+20%) in most cases.
I would go with the better device/hardware and not worry about 5G especially on the early crossover phones where it tends to be a disaster.
I'm looking at getting a 2nd Note 10+ 4G Snapdragon... that's how important I think 5G and how disappointing the Samsung flagships since the 10+ have been.
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The 5G chipset(s) can suck battery. The 4G chipset(s) may be better integrated and likely more efficient.
Even were 5G is available so far its performance isn't that much faster (+20%) in most cases.
I would go with the better device/hardware and not worry about 5G especially on the early crossover phones where it tends to be a disaster.
I'm looking at getting a 2nd Note 10+ 4G Snapdragon... that's how important I think 5G and how disappointing the Samsung flagships since the 10+ have been.
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Having 5g is the least of my priorities on a phone. I was more interested in knowing if there are any other hardware changes between them, or if one version could potentially have better software support.
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Having 5g is the least of my priorities on a phone. I was more interested in knowing if there are any other hardware changes between them, or if one version could potentially have better software support.
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Pie is still my preferred weapon, no cpu cycle robbing scoped storage.
A used Samsung in excellent condition running on Pie be good. My Note 10+ current load is over a year old, still fast and stable. I can tell you the Note 10+ 512gb Snapdragon variant is a fast running rock solid stable platform. It's fun to use. Once optimized, zero issues.
The biggest change and question is how the 5G is implemented. Is it integrated into the main chipset or does it have its own chipset (which will likely eat more battery). Can you completely turn off 5G? Tear downs may yield clues.
It a long research project and a pain. Make sure the review is about the chipset you want and not it's evil twin. I think Samsung deliberately uses 2 chipsets per model and plays off the better chipsets reviews. They've been doing this for many years. Reviewers even carriers get the specs mixed up. Fun times
they should be identical with the exception of the 4G not having a modem added on in an inefficient way.
that said it sounds like the 4G version needs a few firmware updates from Samsung to hit it's stride.
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they should be identical with the exception of the 4G not having a modem added on in an inefficient way.
that said it sounds like the 4G version needs a few firmware updates from Samsung to hit it's stride.
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4G is the primary bandwidth, right?
5G is the tack on because it can't be relied on as a primary bandwidth.
I haven't been looking at the hardware architecture on the newer phones.
I'm not getting a 5G phone to avoid these conflicts. Android has too many battery hogs already.
the SD 865 was designed before 5G phones rolled out. it doesn't have an integrated 5G modem so it's not that good at handovers etc. some people mentioned their batteries taking a hit using 5G.
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the SD 865 was designed before 5G phones rolled out. it doesn't have an integrated 5G modem so it's not that good at handovers etc. some people mentioned their batteries taking a hit using 5G.
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I thinks that's probably true.
Having the phone flip flopping between 4 and 5G vs just 4G probably isn't good for battery life in the latest generation.
I'm still not sold on 5G. Wonder if that's a 5G enabled cell tower I'm looking at
when coverage is complete and phones are on a 2nd or 3rd generation with it, it'll probably be way better.
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when coverage is complete and phones are on a 2nd or 3rd generation with it, it'll probably be way better.
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5G may never replace 4G except in urban centers. 5G lacks range.
There are many placeswhere even a 4 G signal is climb on a hill and hope iffy.
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well they're killing off 2 and 3G so they'll need to pull their fingers out.
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well they're killing off 2 and 3G so they'll need to pull their fingers out.
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Heartache to those with ancient devices but those where just plain doggy bandwidths
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the SD 865 was designed before 5G phones rolled out. it doesn't have an integrated 5G modem so it's not that good at handovers etc. some people mentioned their batteries taking a hit using 5G.
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Are you sure 865 don't have 5G modem? Specs shows otherwise: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon-865-5g-mobile-platform
AFAIK Sony has to disable 5G from chipset in Xperia 5II(XQ-AS62) in US for it to make it non 5G phone.
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Are you sure 865 don't have 5G modem? Specs shows otherwise: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon-865-5g-mobile-platform
AFAIK Sony has to disable 5G from chipset in Xperia 5II(XQ-AS62) in US for it to make it non 5G phone.
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integrated... the phone has a 5G modem but it's an add-on chip, it's not part of the 865 SoC like with 4G etc
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integrated... the phone has a 5G modem but it's an add-on chip, it's not part of the 865 SoC like with 4G etc
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Specs clearly show it has Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ X55 5G Modem-RF system. Where it is mentioned that it's separate add on chip? Integrated means onboard, right?
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Specs clearly show it has Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ X55 5G Modem-RF system. Where it is mentioned that it's separate add on chip? Integrated means onboard, right?
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Why there's no integrated 5G modem in the Snapdragon 865
The Snapdragon 865 is missing an integrated 5G modem, a feature offered by Qualcomm's SoC rivals. Here's the explanation and what it means.
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I was wrong in thinking it was a 5g modem exclusively but...
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Why there's no integrated 5G modem in the Snapdragon 865
The Snapdragon 865 is missing an integrated 5G modem, a feature offered by Qualcomm's SoC rivals. Here's the explanation and what it means.
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Hmm... The article itself starts with 865 not having integrated 5G modem and then mentions that instead of internal it has external 5G modem X55. Then it mentions that it's a dual mode modem with 4G and 5G supports.
Conflicting information on Android Authority if I look at Qualcomm's specs sheet.
I still think that it has onboard 5G X55 modem which is external(not add-on) instead of integrated(internal).
That's why Sony had to disable it's 5G mode before launching Xperia 5II in US(delayed launch only in US).
Edit: Read through some articles and looks like X55 is external to 865 but is part of bundle and although manufacturers can replace it with other modem if they need, I don't think anyone has done this. This explains why Sony delayed Xperia 5 II in US as they had to disable 5G in XQ-AS62.
Biggest issue with 5G implementation aside is it's range limits and need for better line of sight than 4G. Can't change physics.
A stable transmission range is more important than huge bandwidth.