Is there any difference between the snapdragon 4g only version of the phone compared to the 5g version? Other than the 5g connectivity obviously.
Want to buy the phone but don't have the 5g version available in my country, only 4g exynos and snapdragon. There will also be no 5g coverage any time soon here so that's not an important factor.
Thanks all for any replies.
The 5G chipset(s) can suck battery. The 4G chipset(s) may be better integrated and likely more efficient.
Even were 5G is available so far its performance isn't that much faster (+20%) in most cases.
I would go with the better device/hardware and not worry about 5G especially on the early crossover phones where it tends to be a disaster.
I'm looking at getting a 2nd Note 10+ 4G Snapdragon... that's how important I think 5G and how disappointing the Samsung flagships since the 10+ have been.
blackhawk said:
The 5G chipset(s) can suck battery. The 4G chipset(s) may be better integrated and likely more efficient.
Even were 5G is available so far its performance isn't that much faster (+20%) in most cases.
I would go with the better device/hardware and not worry about 5G especially on the early crossover phones where it tends to be a disaster.
I'm looking at getting a 2nd Note 10+ 4G Snapdragon... that's how important I think 5G and how disappointing the Samsung flagships since the 10+ have been.
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Having 5g is the least of my priorities on a phone. I was more interested in knowing if there are any other hardware changes between them, or if one version could potentially have better software support.
Petrit Ziu said:
Having 5g is the least of my priorities on a phone. I was more interested in knowing if there are any other hardware changes between them, or if one version could potentially have better software support.
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Pie is still my preferred weapon, no cpu cycle robbing scoped storage.
A used Samsung in excellent condition running on Pie be good. My Note 10+ current load is over a year old, still fast and stable. I can tell you the Note 10+ 512gb Snapdragon variant is a fast running rock solid stable platform. It's fun to use. Once optimized, zero issues.
The biggest change and question is how the 5G is implemented. Is it integrated into the main chipset or does it have its own chipset (which will likely eat more battery). Can you completely turn off 5G? Tear downs may yield clues.
It a long research project and a pain. Make sure the review is about the chipset you want and not it's evil twin. I think Samsung deliberately uses 2 chipsets per model and plays off the better chipsets reviews. They've been doing this for many years. Reviewers even carriers get the specs mixed up. Fun times
they should be identical with the exception of the 4G not having a modem added on in an inefficient way.
that said it sounds like the 4G version needs a few firmware updates from Samsung to hit it's stride.
3mel said:
they should be identical with the exception of the 4G not having a modem added on in an inefficient way.
that said it sounds like the 4G version needs a few firmware updates from Samsung to hit it's stride.
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4G is the primary bandwidth, right?
5G is the tack on because it can't be relied on as a primary bandwidth.
I haven't been looking at the hardware architecture on the newer phones.
I'm not getting a 5G phone to avoid these conflicts. Android has too many battery hogs already.
the SD 865 was designed before 5G phones rolled out. it doesn't have an integrated 5G modem so it's not that good at handovers etc. some people mentioned their batteries taking a hit using 5G.
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the SD 865 was designed before 5G phones rolled out. it doesn't have an integrated 5G modem so it's not that good at handovers etc. some people mentioned their batteries taking a hit using 5G.
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I thinks that's probably true.
Having the phone flip flopping between 4 and 5G vs just 4G probably isn't good for battery life in the latest generation.
I'm still not sold on 5G. Wonder if that's a 5G enabled cell tower I'm looking at
when coverage is complete and phones are on a 2nd or 3rd generation with it, it'll probably be way better.
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when coverage is complete and phones are on a 2nd or 3rd generation with it, it'll probably be way better.
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5G may never replace 4G except in urban centers. 5G lacks range.
There are many placeswhere even a 4 G signal is climb on a hill and hope iffy.
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well they're killing off 2 and 3G so they'll need to pull their fingers out.
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well they're killing off 2 and 3G so they'll need to pull their fingers out.
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Heartache to those with ancient devices but those where just plain doggy bandwidths
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the SD 865 was designed before 5G phones rolled out. it doesn't have an integrated 5G modem so it's not that good at handovers etc. some people mentioned their batteries taking a hit using 5G.
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Are you sure 865 don't have 5G modem? Specs shows otherwise: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon-865-5g-mobile-platform
AFAIK Sony has to disable 5G from chipset in Xperia 5II(XQ-AS62) in US for it to make it non 5G phone.
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Are you sure 865 don't have 5G modem? Specs shows otherwise: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon-865-5g-mobile-platform
AFAIK Sony has to disable 5G from chipset in Xperia 5II(XQ-AS62) in US for it to make it non 5G phone.
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integrated... the phone has a 5G modem but it's an add-on chip, it's not part of the 865 SoC like with 4G etc
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integrated... the phone has a 5G modem but it's an add-on chip, it's not part of the 865 SoC like with 4G etc
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Specs clearly show it has Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ X55 5G Modem-RF system. Where it is mentioned that it's separate add on chip? Integrated means onboard, right?
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Specs clearly show it has Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ X55 5G Modem-RF system. Where it is mentioned that it's separate add on chip? Integrated means onboard, right?
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Why there's no integrated 5G modem in the Snapdragon 865
The Snapdragon 865 is missing an integrated 5G modem, a feature offered by Qualcomm's SoC rivals. Here's the explanation and what it means.
www.androidauthority.com
I was wrong in thinking it was a 5g modem exclusively but...
3mel said:
Why there's no integrated 5G modem in the Snapdragon 865
The Snapdragon 865 is missing an integrated 5G modem, a feature offered by Qualcomm's SoC rivals. Here's the explanation and what it means.
www.androidauthority.com
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Hmm... The article itself starts with 865 not having integrated 5G modem and then mentions that instead of internal it has external 5G modem X55. Then it mentions that it's a dual mode modem with 4G and 5G supports.
Conflicting information on Android Authority if I look at Qualcomm's specs sheet.
I still think that it has onboard 5G X55 modem which is external(not add-on) instead of integrated(internal).
That's why Sony had to disable it's 5G mode before launching Xperia 5II in US(delayed launch only in US).
Edit: Read through some articles and looks like X55 is external to 865 but is part of bundle and although manufacturers can replace it with other modem if they need, I don't think anyone has done this. This explains why Sony delayed Xperia 5 II in US as they had to disable 5G in XQ-AS62.
Biggest issue with 5G implementation aside is it's range limits and need for better line of sight than 4G. Can't change physics.
A stable transmission range is more important than huge bandwidth.
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I was quite surprised to learn that the Tab S series of tablets ships with the aging Snapdragon 800. I find it's a bit out of place on a tablet where all other specs are top notch. The reviews I read specifically say the tabet can be sluggish at times when more CPU power is required.
I guess I hold out on my upgrade a bit longer then...
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I was quite surprised to learn that the Tab S series of tablets ships with the aging Snapdragon 800. I find it's a bit out of place on a tablet where all other specs are top notch. The reviews I read specifically say the tabet can be sluggish at times when more CPU power is required.
I guess I hold out on my upgrade a bit longer then...
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Only the LTE versions come with the Snapdragon 800. Wi-fi gets the Exynos 5420.
how is the 5420 ?
I'm kind of disappointed the UK versions have the 5420 - I find my Snapdragon 800 in my Note 3 phone super quick
is the 5420 just as snappy ? Looks such a good screen on the 8.4 and 10.5 Tab S
Buckster76 said:
how is the 5420 ?
I'm kind of disappointed the UK versions have the 5420 - I find my Snapdragon 800 in my Note 3 phone super quick
is the 5420 just as snappy ? Looks such a good screen on the 8.4 and 10.5 Tab S
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Reviewers are saying the 5420 wi-fi versions are noticeably faster than the 800 in the LTE. I believe benchmarks show the same.
The 5420 is amazing. Uses all 8 cores at the same time if needed now. They fixed the memory dump issue found in the previous iteration as well.
The only thing I'm bummed about, is the 5433 ( coming out soon)destroys Snapdragon's 805 SoC .... In benchmarks. I wish that processor was in the new Samsung flagship device. Ugh.
According to all the reviews I have read the opposite is true and they are recommending the processor in
the LTE version as the faster of the two.
I have to run to work but quick google search..Engadget ( which I hate) has this to say..
"If it's any consolation, the as-yet-unreleased LTE models are supposed to use a Snapdragon 800 chip instead of the Exynos 5, so maybe performance will be snappier there."
Snapdragon seems to get the most development too.
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According to all the reviews I have read the opposite is true and they are recommending the processor in
the LTE version as the faster of the two.
I have to run to work but quick google search..Engadget ( which I hate) has this to say..
"If it's any consolation, the as-yet-unreleased LTE models are supposed to use a Snapdragon 800 chip instead of the Exynos 5, so maybe performance will be snappier there."
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Anandtech clearly said Samsung made a poor choice with Exynos. They should have gone 801 or 805.
oh well - and 16gb too for UK version - grrrr
still prob going to get one though
maybe it will handle streaming video better than the Snapdragon (well the implementation of it on the Note 3) - after lots of updates, I still can't get smooth streamed video on my Note 3 - youtube, netflix, Sky, Iplayer etc - yet download to phone first (latter 2) - or play local content and smooth as silk
There probably won't be a 32gb version. Samsung said there'd be a 32gb 8.4 pro and there never was.
I can confirm there are LTE versions with Exynos processor, at least mine is so, bought in Spain (10.5"). I could change it for a snapdragon version though, but I'm not sure if it is worth it.
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I can confirm there are LTE versions with Exynos processor, at least mine is so, bought in Spain (10.5"). I could change it for a snapdragon version though, but I'm not sure if it is worth it.
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Thanks for your confirmation arbiskar.
It was rumoured the Tab S would be 5420 for WiFi, and 5420 + Intel LTE Modem for LTE models, that seems to coincide with the reports such as yours, that the LTE models is Exynos based only.
I doubt that Snapdragon based LTE models of the Tab S exist, if the LTE model you purchased is 5420, I'm going to assume they all will be...
Model numbers other than the T700, T705, T800 and T805 would need to exist for Snapdragon variants, so I don't believe we will see Qualcomm chips in any of the Tab S models.
Thanks.
Hi,
I ordered a LTE Tab S, in germany it will release on friday the 11 July. Before I ordered I thought all versions will have the Exynos 5 Octa and perhaps an optional LTE Modem. After my order I saw that the LTE version will be a QSD 800
Now you say thete will be LTE and Octa. Is it real? Do you know what version Samsung will sell in germay? I think I have to wait a few weeks before I get my tab S because I bought it with a LTE Contract and the Provider cant give me an info when they get the hardware from Samsung.
Now I don`t know if I should cancel the order and buy me a wifi version because the octa is better or will the QSD 800 ok too?
Svendrae said:
Hi,
I ordered a LTE Tab S, in germany it will release on friday the 11 July. Before I ordered I thought all versions will have the Exynos 5 Octa and perhaps an optional LTE Modem. After my order I saw that the LTE version will be a QSD 800
Now you say thete will be LTE and Octa. Is it real? Do you know what version Samsung will sell in germay? I think I have to wait a few weeks before I get my tab S because I bought it with a LTE Contract and the Provider cant give me an info when they get the hardware from Samsung.
Now I don`t know if I should cancel the order and buy me a wifi version because the octa is better or will the QSD 800 ok too?
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The sd800 is slightly better than the octacore, so I wouldn't worry.
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is it confirmed the LTE version in US is also Exynos processor instead of snapdragon 800? Thanks
rankman2004 said:
is it confirmed the LTE version in US is also Exynos processor instead of snapdragon 800? Thanks
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No. Lte is Snapdragon only. Samsung only announced today a new exynos processor with Lte for future products.
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simacca said:
No. Lte is Snapdragon only. Samsung only announced today a new exynos processor with Lte for future products.
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Apparently, some people here have the LTE version with Exynos, so I'm not so sure.
They announced a new Exynos processor with LTE integrated for future products, but that doesn't mean there isn't a LTE chip in addition to the Exynos SOC in the Tab S LTE versions.
It would be nice if someone could confirm.
I'm also waiting to see if there will be a 32GB.. and which version to get
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Apparently, some people here have the LTE version with Exynos, so I'm not so sure.
They announced a new Exynos processor with LTE integrated for future products, but that doesn't mean there isn't a LTE chip in addition to the Exynos SOC in the Tab S LTE versions.
It would be nice if someone could confirm.
I'm also waiting to see if there will be a 32GB.. and which version to get
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Would like to see some proof of that. Check out link below.
http://www.gsmarena.com/exynos_modap_is_first_samsung_chipset_with_integrated_lte-news-9006.php
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Apparently, some people here have the LTE version with Exynos, so I'm not so sure.
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Someone from Spain said s/he has an Exynos/LTE device. The Spain Samsung site also has the LTE version listed as Exynos.
The announcement yesterday was for a quad-core chip with integrated LTE, not the 5433 next-gen big.LITTLE chip everyone was expecting. Without knowing the GPU of the chip announced yesterday it's hard to say where in the fold it fits (high-end, low-end). There's nothing that's ever prevented Samsung from using Exynos with a stand-alone modem it's just that S-800 with its integrated modem is cheaper. Maybe that's what they're doing in Spain. That or it's a typo and the aforementioned owner "thinks" s/he has Exynos LTE. Everything I've read indicates the S' are using the same S-800/5420 architecture of all Samsung's previously released high-end tablets. So I'm going with typo until someone posts a CPU-Z (available in Play) read out which will say specifically what chip a device is using.
We know there are S-800 SM-T805's because reviewers have tested them. It would be extremely odd that Samsung would give the same model number (Spain's SM-T805 also) to two devices with totally different architectures. They never have before. At a minimum they'd append a letter to it (EG: the N10.1-14 LTE with 700MHz bands sold in Latin America is the "P-SM605M."
As for S-800 being long in tooth, it's not really. The CPU is more than adequate for the workload. Here's a slide from Qualcomm saying 85% of apps don't use two cores better yet four. And the majority of apps never leave the A7 core on 5420.
The challenge is the enormous amount of pixels being pushed on large QHD tablet displays. S-801 uses Adreno 330 just like S-800 so until some SoC with a more powerful GPU is released (released = shipped in a production product) Adreno/Mali is the best we've got and the differences between them performance wise aren't that significant (Mali's about 10% weaker than Adreno when maxed out).
New member here.
Received today my Tab S 8.4 LTE (SM-T705) sold here in Finland. And it is indeed an Exynos 5420.
I don't have a Micro-SIM card for it yet, but it certainly is the LTE version. Does someone know how to check the LTE chip version?
Took captures with CPU Z, but I can't apparently post outside links yet. See them here: pentsin.portaali.org/samsung/ along a photo of the box also claiming 1.9GHz Quad-Core + 1.3GHz Quad-Core.
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Someone from Spain said s/he has an Exynos/LTE device. The Spain Samsung site also has the LTE version listed as Exynos.
The announcement yesterday was for a quad-core chip with integrated LTE, not the 5433 next-gen big.LITTLE chip everyone was expecting. Without knowing the GPU of the chip announced yesterday it's hard to say where in the fold it fits (high-end, low-end). There's nothing that's ever prevented Samsung from using Exynos with a stand-alone modem it's just that S-800 with its integrated modem is cheaper. Maybe that's what they're doing in Spain. That or it's a typo and the aforementioned owner "thinks" s/he has Exynos LTE. Everything I've read indicates the S' are using the same S-800/5420 architecture of all Samsung's previously released high-end tablets. So I'm going with typo until someone posts a CPU-Z (available in Play) read out which will say specifically what chip a device is using.
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After being disappointed with a locked bootloader on my AT&T Note 3, I decided to not make the same mistake again. With Android L coming out with 64bit CPU support and with 20nm die size it looks Exynos is the winner. Yes, Snapdragon was more popular before, but I'm pretty sure 64bit will be the hot topic with Note 4 development.
So what you came here to see. I found this wiki page detailing all the bands and processor information for different devices:
http://ko.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/삼성_갤럭시_노트_4
It shows bands 4 and 17 (among others). Now, that wasn't enough proof for me so I started searching some more and got the FCC data for N910C.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=544347&fcc_id=A3LSMN910C
You can check out LTE Test Reports 1 and 2. It shows LTE bands 2, 4, 5, 17 on the first report. The second is just more technical data.
I didn't see anything about band 12. Sorry T-Mobile users.
If anybody finds any information about purchasing one, please share.
Many state the 910F is the most versatile worldwide (for LTE, etc.), but the 910C may also be on my radar if this is the case.
Just remember that the SD805 will be getting the most attention in terms of development since most owners out there will be having a Snapdragon device.
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Many state the 910F is the most versatile worldwide (for LTE, etc.)
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According to the wiki page the F and C both support the same exact bands. The difference is the F is Qualcomm based technologies.
LTE on Exynos for AT&T in the US has been a sticking point for me, I will be following this thread with great interest, thanks.
Why don't just go for N910U ?
I haven't came across much info regarding the C model. However, if the C model is released in Europe that would be a plus for me. Besides Wiki and FCC, are there any official sources for the C-variant containing Exynos?
Also seems like the FCC weren't testing the official device at the time as the tests were conducting in early Summer. Um....
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According to the wiki page the F and C both support the same exact bands. The difference is the F is Qualcomm based technologies.
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Lodix said:
Why don't just go for N910U ?
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No support for band 17 (700mhz).
arjun90 said:
I haven't came across much info regarding the C model. However, if the C model is released in Europe that would be a plus for me. Besides Wiki and FCC, are there any official sources for the C-variant containing Exynos?
Also seems like the FCC weren't testing the official device at the time as the tests were conducting in early Summer. Um....
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It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.
You mention the Exynos for 64bit support later. But has it not already been confirmed the soc has 64bit disabled? It would not be able to run it? Source: anandtech.
Correct me if i'm wrong!
The FCC states tests were conducted on a pre-production unit with the 910C being the Base Model. I really do hope the 910C is an international LTE Unlocked Variant similar to the 910F; otherwise, the 910F would have to do.
The 910C contains the latest Wolfson DAC.
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No support for band 4 (700mhz).
It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.
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You're right; Samsung intended the latest Exynos model to be half-baked with no support for the 64-bit architecture. The same applies to Dell's Venue 8 Pro Windows tablet, which contains a 64-bit CPU, but OS is strictly 32-bit. Petition anyone?
Hendrickson said:
You mention the Exynos for 64bit support later. But has it not already been confirmed the soc has 64bit disabled? It would not be able to run it? Source: anandtech.
Correct me if i'm wrong!
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No support for band 4 (700mhz).
It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE"]samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.
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But I found this that says SM-N910U does support band 4. fccid.net/document.php?id=2381341#axzz3G8lJ0461 I'm so confused.
CLShortFuse said:
No support for band 4 (700mhz).
It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.
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It supports band 700.
Hendrickson said:
You mention the Exynos for 64bit support later. But has it not already been confirmed the soc has 64bit disabled? It would not be able to run it? Source: anandtech.
Correct me if i'm wrong!
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It's not disabled. The problem is native 64bit instructions (drivers) weren't written for it. It makes sense considering that Samsung would have to write a 64bit layer for Android. That's a whole lot of work. Google is already writing one for Android L, so if ever in the future, Samsung creates the 64 bit drivers for any device running the same chip, somebody can cook up a new kernel with it.
Right now, it's running in some downgraded 32bit layer. The "if" Anandtech is talking about is Samsung doesn't ever have to write those 64bit drivers. I'm willing to take that chance instead of the 0% possibility Snapdragon brings.
colster1000 said:
But I found this that says SM-N910U does support band 4. fccid.net/document.php?id=2381341#axzz3G8lJ0461 I'm so confused.
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It supports band 700.
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Sorry. I mixed up the numbers. U/F/C/G support band 4 (1700mhz). Only the F/C support band 17 (700mhz). C runs Exynos while F runs Snapdragon.
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It's not disabled. The problem is native 64bit instructions (drivers) weren't written for it. It makes sense considering that Samsung would have to write a 64bit layer for Android. That's a whole lot of work. Google is already writing one for Android L, so if ever in the future, Samsung creates the 64 bit drivers for any device running the same chip, somebody can cook up a new kernel with it.
Right now, it's running in some downgraded 32bit layer. The "if" Anandtech is talking about is Samsung doesn't ever have to write those 64bit drivers. I'm willing to take that chance instead of the 0% possibility Snapdragon brings.
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well you are right and plus you are still getting a 20%ish faster processor even if it stays as 32bit. even snapdragon 810 will be same chipset with probably better gpu and and higher clock speed and 64 bit enabled for sure.
only problem is does it realy support at&t lte? yes it connects for sure (some reviewers using it in youtube) but it is maybe struggling with battery cuz it doesnt fully support us lte standarts. other people reported good battery life on exynos but some reviewers in us said battery isnt good.
so you just need to be sure about it otherwise exynos seems realy better except custom rom support but as far as i can see touchwiz is running best of its time and realy good in general usage and as a note owner i assume no1 will want cm on it. root and xposed will be more than enough. atleast its my opinion.
Samsung Malaysia will release the SM-910C model this 17th Oct....initially I was going to wait for the 910F variant from europe or middle east..due to lte bands i needed most. Thanks to this thread I can now go home and do some shopping...thanks
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Sorry. I mixed up the numbers. U/F/C/G support band 4 (1700mhz). Only the F/C support band 17 (700mhz). C runs Exynos while F runs Snapdragon.
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It says it supports band 700 but in B28, I guess it is not the same.
tmac31 said:
well you are right and plus you are still getting a 20%ish faster processor even if it stays as 32bit. even snapdragon 810 will be same chipset with probably better gpu and and higher clock speed and 64 bit enabled for sure.
only problem is does it realy support at&t lte? yes it connects for sure (some reviewers using it in youtube) but it is maybe struggling with battery cuz it doesnt fully support us lte standarts. other people reported good battery life on exynos but some reviewers in us said battery isnt good.
so you just need to be sure about it otherwise exynos seems realy better except custom rom support but as far as i can see touchwiz is running best of its time and realy good in general usage and as a note owner i assume no1 will want cm on it. root and xposed will be more than enough. atleast its my opinion.
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All of the benchmarks say the Exynos has better battery, but I will admit a lot of tests are inconsistent. As for support, I've had this dumb, locked Note 3 for too long and I can accept less custom ROMs. I honestly think people would be excited to make custom 64bit ROM and I'm hoping on it.
As for the AT&T bands, I'm going to trust the FCC data and that ridiculously detailed Korean wiki site.
In fact, I just bought one on eBay for $899. It ships from Malaysia so I'll get it in a few weeks. I'll keep you guys updated when I do.
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All of the benchmarks say the Exynos has better battery, but I will admit a lot of tests are inconsistent. As for support, I've had this dumb, locked Note 3 for too long and I can accept less custom ROMs. I honestly think people would be excited to make custom 64bit ROM and I'm hoping on it.
As for the AT&T bands, I'm going to trust the FCC data and that ridiculously detailed Korean wiki site.
In fact, I just bought one on eBay for $899. It ships from Malaysia so I'll get it in a few weeks. I'll keep you guys updated when I do.
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And don't forget, general message to all: Andrei has a campaign (below) to get him a -C Exynos to develop Perseus. If Perseus has worked as well for you as it has for me in the past, please consider donating, and we'll get Perseus going for Note 4 Exynos as well.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/note-4-exynos-development-device/x/8868000
Don't all the Exynos ones have the Wolfson DAC?
Sure your right the 20nm CPU should be easier on the batter and the Wolfson DAC is slightly better I think. I'm looking at an SM-910U from Hong Kong.
arjun90 said:
Many state the 910F is the most versatile worldwide (for LTE, etc.), but the 910C may also be on my radar if this is the case.
Just remember that the SD805 will be getting the most attention in terms of development since most owners out there will be having a Snapdragon device.
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Custom ROMs are just repackaged stock ROMS nowadays with minor changes here and there, anything you really want to do to it from a modification standpoint can be done with Xposed. Kernel development is where it is at, and frankly, there isn't a single kernel in Snapdragon land that comes close to touching Perseus for Exynos.
If rumours are correct, a new 5G Enabled OnePlus smartphone maybe unveiled sometime in Q1 2019. For those of you planning to order the 6T by Christmas and keep your phone for at 2 - 3 years, what do you make of this development and would you now wait for this (if it comes true):
https://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_5g_smartphone_completely_new_moniker-news-34173.php
I wonder how T-Mobile will handle this. There are 2 chips needed and it's possible that neither will accommodate their 5G timeline. For 600 MHz especially, they may be screwed until next November or even early 2020.
QTM052: mmwave frequencies. Should cover any 28 GHz and 39 GHz that T-Mobile is deploying.
QPM56xx: Sub-6 GHz. Supposedly supports 3.5 GHz (CBRS). No marketed support for 600 MHz or the 2.5 GHz they will acquire from Sprint.
I won't keep my 6T when I get it. Going straight to a zero-down upgrade to the 7 and then 7T.
It's great to have a 5G phone, it's better to have a 5G phone plus 5G network.... Not a hurry for me.
Striatum_bdr said:
It's great to have a 5G phone, it's better to have a 5G phone plus 5G network.... Not a hurry for me.
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Verizon 5G will be out in 2019
oneandroidnut said:
Verizon 5G will be out in 2019
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Not my concern I'm French
So to summarize, it's an individual choice.
Striatum_bdr said:
Not my concern I'm French
So to summarize, it's an individual choice.
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Same traffic here. Im in America so Tmobile and Verizon matter to me,, but the rural place i live and work in will be one of the last to get 5g. maybe it will matter to me in 2020 or so. for now, im going to simply enjoy the fact that my 4g will get better and better as others move to better spectrum and decongest my old school 4g.
As there's serious doubt on harmlessness of this technology I'm not all too excited about it...
Rumor has it S10 5g has universal flash storage 3.0 opposed to the ufs 2.1 featured in the other S10 models.. ?
Also is the ram LPDDR5 which is fabricated at 10nm or is it the 20nm LPDDR4x?
Zperri88 said:
Rumor has it S10 5g has universal flash storage 3.0 opposed to the ufs 2.1 featured in the other S10 models.. ?
Also is the ram LPDDR5 which is fabricated at 10nm or is it the 20nm LPDDR4x?
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I haven't heard any rumors about this. All pictures and diagrams show 2.1. the only phone they clearly stated would have 3.0 was the Fold. I'm assuming the Note series will have it since it comes out much later.
Don't know anything about the ram.
These are my results
Ram type
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These are my results
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I think this settles the UFS debate
i guess in gonna have to settle for ufs 2.1. as long as i have 5g i guess.
hopefully the modem supports sub-6ghz 24ghz and 28ghz bands
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i guess in gonna have to settle for ufs 2.1. as long as i have 5g i guess.
hopefully the modem supports sub-6ghz 24ghz and 28ghz bands
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I was told by a samsung rep that the S10 5G has UFS 3.0
If only the 5g came out for other carriers here in the u.s. we would know
The thing is we dont know for sure. I cant take other peoples word for it until i have it in my hands or they actually do teardowns of all variants.
People take screenshots of the benchmarks but we dont know if the app is limiting, if its real or not.
Thanks for the info tho
sunmybun said:
If only the 5g came out for other carriers here in the u.s. we would know
The thing is we dont know for sure. I cant take other peoples word for it until i have it in my hands or they actually do teardowns of all variants.
People take screenshots of the benchmarks but we dont know if the app is limiting, if its real or not.
Thanks for the info tho
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One interesting thing, I ran androbench on my S10+ and the results in all categories was slightly better than the results above that were for the S10 5g by DanXbix. Strange indeed.
I will say I don't think the app is limiting only because when it's run on the Oneplus 7 pro the sequential speeds are nearly twice as fast.
Mine is a Aussie model made for Telstra stupid thing is the 5G network doesn't even work where I am yet. I had deal to trade S10+ for S10 5g and bigger screen bettter
Telstra 5g one just got latest update.... Fyi at least coming out straight away which is unlike telstra
Hi
I've seen that The pixel 4 phones is not advertised with wifi6/802,11ax capability.
However, the snapdragon 855 soc HAS wifi 6 capability.
However, the phones we've seen that use wifi6 today, Like Samsung S10, use a broadcom chip for wifi6. No SD855 phones today uses the socs wifi6 capability.
At the same time, the wifi6 certification program launched more or less at the same time as the pixel 4 launch (one day difference? Don't remember).
Can this just be a certification issue? So the Pixel 4 and other 855 phones will get wifi6 support via the 855SOC via a SW update?
It's REALLY weird that google launched a wifi6 mesh system but their phones won't get it? I REALLY hope wifi6 will be activated on pixel 4 at a later point.
Any ideas?
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Hi
I've seen that The pixel 4 phones is not advertised with wifi6/802,11ax capability.
However, the snapdragon 855 soc HAS wifi 6 capability.
However, the phones we've seen that use wifi6 today, Like Samsung S10, use a broadcom chip for wifi6. No SD855 phones today uses the socs wifi6 capability.
At the same time, the wifi6 certification program launched more or less at the same time as the pixel 4 launch (one day difference? Don't remember).
Can this just be a certification issue? So the Pixel 4 and other 855 phones will get wifi6 support via the 855SOC via a SW update?
It's REALLY weird that google launched a wifi6 mesh system but their phones won't get it? I REALLY hope wifi6 will be activated on pixel 4 at a later point.
Any ideas?
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Google New mesh system is NOT wifi 6
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OK. Anyway, it still doesn't explain the 855 / wifi 6 situation
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OK. Anyway, it still doesn't explain the 855 / wifi 6 situation
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Just cause the 855 is WiFi 6 capable doesn't mean they'll have it on.
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Well, obviously.
But it's still VERY strange.
johnkristian said:
Well, obviously.
But it's still VERY strange.
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Doesn't seem any more strange to me than the new Nest WiFi not supporting it.
Perhaps, just like 5G, they don't think its worth supporting it at this time.
https://9to5google.com/2019/10/17/pixel-4-5g-reason/
Pixel 4 uses the "Murata SS9709025" WIFI SoC, but we're (NetHunter & Nexmon devs) looking for more information about the chipset.
If someone could post a full "dmesg" and "modinfo wlan" and most logs available really so we may identify this chip.
Btw, Hei John K
Arw you
johnkristian said:
Hi
I've seen that The pixel 4 phones is not advertised with wifi6/802,11ax capability.
However, the snapdragon 855 soc HAS wifi 6 capability.
However, the phones we've seen that use wifi6 today, Like Samsung S10, use a broadcom chip for wifi6. No SD855 phones today uses the socs wifi6 capability.
At the same time, the wifi6 certification program launched more or less at the same time as the pixel 4 launch (one day difference? Don't remember).
Can this just be a certification issue? So the Pixel 4 and other 855 phones will get wifi6 support via the 855SOC via a SW update?
It's REALLY weird that google launched a wifi6 mesh system but their phones won't get it? I REALLY hope wifi6 will be activated on pixel 4 at a later point.
Any ideas?
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Are you sure? Because the S10 series have several version. Maybe the Exynos uses Broadcomm so there is nothing to port. The 855+ Samsung phones can be possible to port. But there is no dev who wants to deal with that.
kimocoder said:
Pixel 4 uses the "Murata SS9709025" WIFI SoC, but we're (NetHunter & Nexmon devs) looking for more information about the chipset.
If someone could post a full "dmesg" and "modinfo wlan" and most logs available really so we may identify this chip.
Btw, Hei John K
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Any updates on the mod?
The SD855 also supports 5G, but Pixels didn't support 5G until the Bramble.
V0latyle said:
The SD855 also supports 5G, but Pixels didn't support 5G until the Bramble.
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Naw, the modem is wrong. For the SD855/855+, Samsung gets shotgun by Qualcomm just to keep them in the US market. But it happens that Samsung uses another modem by Qualcomm or broadcomm. For example, all SD855 phones use the X24 LTE modem while 5G enabled SD855 phones use the x50 Modem. On the issue of sd855 that uses the WCN3990 Wi-Fi chip there is not a single phone with Wi-Fi 6. But wait there is more, some 700 series SOC does use the WC3990 Wi-Fi chip with Wi-Fi 6 but the catch is that that it's on another chip architecture. So porting is a issue, the Qualcomm blobs doesn't like that.
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borisSweden said:
Naw, the modem is wrong. For the SD855/855+, Samsung gets shotgun by Qualcomm just to keep them in the US market. But it happens that Samsung uses another modem by Qualcomm or broadcomm. For example, all SD855 phones use the X24 LTE modem while 5G enabled SD855 phones use the x50 Modem. On the issue of sd855 that uses the WC3990 Wi-Fi chip there is not a single phone with Wi-Fi 6. But wait there is more, some 700 series SOC does use the WC3990 Wi-Fi chip with Wi-Fi 6 but the catch is that that it's on another chip architecture. So porting is a issue, the Qualcomm blobs doesn't like that.
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Makes sense
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Makes sense
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well after doing research for GNSS Galileo support for the Oneplus 3, it very clear Qualcomm added a back porting fail-safe on all their blobs. I made a suggestion if someone has the time and brain to make it work by taking a 2020 midclass chip from the 600 or 700 series.
You can install DeviceInfo HW to check if the hardware is there for wifi6 before trying out software to make it work. But then you can get to another issue of the right pin not being added, like FM radio for Snapdragon phones, the hardware is there but the OEM didnt pay the 1 cent for adding support.
Edit: WCN3990 is old old old chip used since the SD835. But we can add Bluetooth 5.1 instead.