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I only joined XDA in October. I use it a lot though due to an unswerving flash addiction.
I see this kind of message a lot in rom threads: 'Hello! I love your rom! It's by far the fastest I've used on XDA. The thing is, the clock is 0.0000000000000000000000000001% off center, and until this bug is sorted out I can't use your rom as my daily driver.'
Are we all getting too picky? It's a bit like saying 'well, thank you for the offer of a free Ferrari, but I don't like the color of the cigarette lighter so for now I'll carry on walking to work.'
Have you ever worked Retail before?
You get tons of people who like what you have to offer and appreciate it so they keep coming back, then you have the people who think the world should revolve around them. The people who believe you owe them something for no apparent reason and the people who like to complain just to complain. They are the ones who sometimes try to act nice but complain over the smallest things and try to pull a fast one on you.You really have to either have patience with them or just completely ignore them because they think you have nothing better to do than to serve their needs/wants. But don't let them take advantage of your hard work and dedication to what you do.
Don't let that evil person make you lose composure, just remain cool and remember all the other people who thanked you for your work and appreciate you doing it for them.
Those people who complain over the little things on a rom complain about everything in their life, and are never satisfied with the way things are going, and are too much of a hassle to please as all they will do is complain some more. Eventually they will just goto another rom and complain there as well.
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Have you ever worked Retail before?
You get tons of people who like what you have to offer and appreciate it so they keep coming back, then you have the people who think the world should revolve around them. The people who believe you owe them something for no apparent reason and the people who like to complain just to complain. They are the ones who sometimes try to act nice but complain over the smallest things and try to pull a fast one on you.You really have to either have patience with them or just completely ignore them because they think you have nothing better to do than to serve their needs/wants. But don't let them take advantage of your hard work and dedication to what you do
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Nice analogy, especially has I've worked in retail most of my life. I sometimes feel that the ROM and kernel devs deserve a bit more than the demands they receive. Another favourite of mine is when I'll be reading a thread and someone will randomly say 'no good, no immersive' and nothing else.
Then again, I've barely been here 5 minutes!
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Paradelle said:
I see this kind of message a lot in rom threads: 'Hello! I love your rom! It's by far the fastest I've used on XDA. The thing is, the clock is 0.0000000000000000000000000001% off center, and until this bug is sorted out I can't use your rom as my daily driver.'
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But on the other hand they are using commercial software they have to pay for which is full of bugs and where they are used as beta-testers for the first releases...
But I have to confess, that Microsoft improved over the last couple of years compared to let's say, ehm, windows ME
It only gets worse from here. I hate to say this, and I don't mean to tar everyone with the same brush, but compared to iOS and WP users, Android users are some of the most egotistical, demanding, self-entitled, and utterly immature tech audiences out there, and a lot of users on XDA are even more-so. Most don't give a rat's ass how the development pattern goes, what XDA is for, or the fact that no one is being paid to contribute (there's also a special kind of full-retard XDA user that thinks donations are some sort of contractual payment).
You won't get anywhere trying to reason with these people, as they don't think they're doing anything wrong. It's a losing battle, let them be, and if you really want to, drop your favorite dev at least a thank-you note (if not a donation) in his XDA inbox, letting him/her know you personally appreciate the work being given to you at no cost on someone else's free time.
The longer you spend here, the more you'll be able to split the idiot users from the users who have true respect for this place.
That's another small reason I'm still on the stock ROM. I had to root and found a few tweaks to fix a few legit problems and awesome mods and I'm happy. But I really needed a stable well running phone and got one that I can easily tweak no problem.
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Have you ever worked Retail before?
You get tons of people who like what you have to offer and appreciate it so they keep coming back, then you have the people who think the world should revolve around them. The people who believe you owe them something for no apparent reason and the people who like to complain just to complain. They are the ones who sometimes try to act nice but complain over the smallest things and try to pull a fast one on you.You really have to either have patience with them or just completely ignore them because they think you have nothing better to do than to serve their needs/wants. But don't let them take advantage of your hard work and dedication to what you do.
Don't let that evil person make you lose composure, just remain cool and remember all the other people who thanked you for your work and appreciate you doing it for them.
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Why was I satisfied with the Samsung's Note battery series and disappointed with the Nexus line's?
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Why was I satisfied with the Samsung's Note battery series and disappointed with the Nexus line's?
Sent from my Nexus 5
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OP, this is an example of a post to not bother responding to. All it takes is to look at his posting history; "dicecuber" spends most of his time either criticizing the Nexus 5, or posting completely irrelevant "questions" in threads that have nothing to do with them (i.e., he asked in the Nexus 5 Singapore thread "can you chew gum in Singapore").
People that respond to this sort of post only enable it to keep happening.
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Have you ever worked Retail before?
You get tons of people who like what you have to offer and appreciate it so they keep coming back, then you have the people who think the world should revolve around them. The people who believe you owe them something for no apparent reason and the people who like to complain just to complain. They are the ones who sometimes try to act nice but complain over the smallest things and try to pull a fast one on you.You really have to either have patience with them or just completely ignore them because they think you have nothing better to do than to serve their needs/wants. But don't let them take advantage of your hard work and dedication to what you do.
Don't let that evil person make you lose composure, just remain cool and remember all the other people who thanked you for your work and appreciate you doing it for them.
Those people who complain over the little things on a rom complain about everything in their life, and are never satisfied with the way things are going, and are too much of a hassle to please as all they will do is complain some more. Eventually they will just goto another rom and complain there as well.
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And you complain about people who complain, if no one complained about anything what a terrible world it would be.
My motto is nothing happens if you don't ask. You don't have to be rude while asking, but if there is something bothering you, speak up. I don't see a problem with trying to perfect your experience. Say I use ROM X, but there's a certain feature in ROM Y that I love. Asking ROM X to include the feature from ROM Y isn't the end of the world. At the very least you'll get a no which may or may not come with an explanation as to why.
I don't believe never being satisfied is a negative. I believe it helps you strive for more which in turns helps you progress. I may be happy, but I'm not satisfied. For me, being satisfied means to accept things as they are and no longer push forward. I'm not saying being satisfied is a bad thing, rather I believe both being satisfied and not being satisfied are both good. Everyone ticks at their own pace, no need for us to all conform.
As for your example, everyone is different. Some people have OCD, through no fault of their own. Something as small as the clock being off centre can throw people off. As long as they aren't being rude, I see no problem in them pointing it out. Regardless of how insignificant the issue may be for you personally, the fact remains it is an issue. Bugs can't be fixed if no one reports them.
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OP, this is an example of a post to not bother responding to. All it takes is to look at his posting history; "dicecuber" spends most of his time either criticizing the Nexus 5, or posting completely irrelevant "questions" in threads that have nothing to do with them (i.e., he asked in the Nexus 5 Singapore thread "can you chew gum in Singapore").
People that respond to this sort of post only enable it to keep happening.
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i like you :highfive:
I just read on here some guy said he donated and what he was going to get for it. Like the dev owed him something.
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I just read on here some guy said he donated and what he was going to get for it. Like the dev owed him something.
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What's his name?
Anybody who's down for donating w/o knowing where his funds are going is someone I'd like to know.
welcome to xda.. things used to be different... long, long ago...
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welcome to xda.. things used to be different... long, long ago...
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I agree. I don't know if people do this anymore but the bounty threads always end in drama. Users think a donation is more than that; a legal binding financial commitment. So when a dev doesn't come through they rage or threaten. They forget the definition of donations.
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Paradelle said:
I only joined XDA in October. I use it a lot though due to an unswerving flash addiction.
I see this kind of message a lot in rom threads: 'Hello! I love your rom! It's by far the fastest I've used on XDA. The thing is, the clock is 0.0000000000000000000000000001% off center, and until this bug is sorted out I can't use your rom as my daily driver.'
Are we all getting too picky? It's a bit like saying 'well, thank you for the offer of a free Ferrari, but I don't like the color of the cigarette lighter so for now I'll carry on walking to work.'
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You are not alone with those thoughts.
Over the years XDA has grown from a site made up of just developers, to a site comprised of more users than developers.
With the increase in users comes more non-development posts.
It is a balancing act to keep XDA focused on development and the non-development chatter to a minimum.
I am no going to close this thread.
If anyone has any questions or comments please PM me.
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Hello everyone,
As i am new here in the XDA world i don't know if this thread is legal or not but i will give it a shot, why not. I was always an apple fan boy since ipad 1, but for the past year i was having my doubts about apple. So i did my self a favor and i purchase an android device, more specifically a Samsung galaxy tab s 8.4 ( wifi only ) or aka ( SM-T700). I did a heave research before i purchased it and i realized it was the best thing under 10". ( i knew i was a getting a TW device )
After my purchase i realised i was not happy at all with the performance of the tablet and a friend suggested XDA as he is using it heavily for his own devices ( tab s, moto g 1st, kindle fire ) He was super pleased with the work of all the devs in here so i said why not, i will join.
After going through all the threads one by one, and reading every single post in them ( talking about T700 threads only ) i realized that the devs that are so effortlessly working on the ROMS and kernels they either don't have the tablet to test or they are not so motivated as they used to be, mainly because people demand things from them without giving back. I recently read in a thread a developer trying to defend his position about his ROM and another guy talking to him about the ROM and the battery life like sh**. Well if it was me i would easily ask from XDA to ban that user. After witnessing that i was like "WT* Dude"... Anw what i am trying to say here don't demand if you don't give, just wait patiently. These 3 paragraphs was only my introduction to my main point.
Since i want to thank our developers and i am talking about 3 here. The guy who makes CM11 @Barracuda77777 , the guy who makes CM12 @eousphoros and the guy who makes the kernels @UpInTheAir . I noticed that these guys are either not motivated enough cause many people don't appreciate or they either don't have the tablet to test and they are waiting for people to test therefore the ROMS come out slower.
My proposal to all of you users here and owners of the T700 version is why not collect some money and buy these guys 1 device each so they mod the hell out of it and everyone can get happier? This is not a charity for them and no they did not ask me to make this thread. I am making this thread because i want to thank them as much as possible for using their spare ours to give FREE their ROMS to all of us. How about we each tip 10-20$ to buy 3 devices and send them to the guys? It's a win-win for all. They get a nice Christmas present as a thank you from all of us and you all get better working roms with a cost of 10-20$
I am willing to collect the money for the guys, so i can get nice deals for the devices. If you are interested send me a PM and i will do my best to find the fastest shipping company in my country so i can deliver the goodies to them
TIME-WASTERS AND HATERS PLEASE DON'T EVEN REPLY TO THIS THREAD. YOU ARE NOT WORTH MY TIME.
Glad for you to be on Xda! I have a T800 (10.5 inch model) and yet we also have roms and kernels from the same devs in this post. They both made a rom/kernels for both models! I'm glad that we have these devs that bring life into our tablets. I dont have any money right now ( not old enough for a job) but Im willing to test roms/ kernels for the devs and report on back for the model I own. Hopefully these devs can get what they deserve. We are lucky to already have such awesome roms and kernels and some other tablets do not even have cm11 yet. Glad that you made this post! It could help the devs get what they deserve because of what they have done to our devices and gave life to them. ?
It's not always about money or motivation or ungrateful end user.
For me, it's also about time. I have a job that involves traveling away and a family. These things are most important to me.
I already support devices i can't personally test and help with guidance here and there.
There's just not enough time in the day to do more as i have other device I'm developing for.
If anyone wishes to donate, please donate to your favorite recognized charity or XDA for hosting these forums. Without XDA we would have next to nothing.
Happy Christmas to all !
Fellow T700 Owner here.
I too would like to thank the Devs for the hard work they do and XDA for supporting the community by existing.
I am always willing to help out and test out anything and everything.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone.
Really dissapointed
So apparently people don't like to give and get. From what i understood i see 170 views and 3 replies. What about everyone else? Free ROMS with demands? anw.. i ll give this a week and wait to collect money.
Thanks again.
Sporbillis said:
So apparently people don't like to give and get. From what i understood i see 170 views and 3 replies. What about everyone else? Free ROMS with demands? anw.. i ll give this a week and wait to collect money.
Thanks again.
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No bad intent ment here at all...but - Sporbillis, you're a brand new member to XDA. I would think there would be trust issues about sending money to ANYONE let alone a new member just popping up and collecting money. So don't feel like the folks here aren't responding because they're freeloaders....it's just too easy to get ripped off....
Just sayin'
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No bad intent ment here at all...but - Sporbillis, you're a brand new member to XDA. I would think there would be trust issues about sending money to ANYONE let alone a new member just popping up and collecting money. So don't feel like the folks here aren't responding because they're freeloaders....it's just too easy to get ripped off....
Just sayin'
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Yea i get that, if i was going to ripoff people i wouldn't get into the fuss of joining xda and specifically the T700 owners. i would go join some other device with much more audience. anw.
I hear the frustration. Personally, I like to see ROMs from someone who is so passionate and motivated about the device that they went out and bought one, is willing to trip the Knox counter, void warranty and possibly brick the device. That person, I hope, would love the device enough to continue with development when most everyone else has moved on to the next latest and greatest device (DanielHK for the Samsung p6800, for example). In addition, the developer has to be thick-skinned enough to read complaints (both constructive and destructive) and deal with widely varying age groups that have different levels of expectations. Even so, for non-programmer types there is much that can be done via modification of the stock ROM, remove bloat, remove Knox, write to sdcard mod, etc. There is a bit of a learning curve.
What is it about the T700 performance that is unsatisfying? Perhaps there is already a solution. New launchers can be easily installed (Nova, for example). Developer options can tweak some limited performance issues. There are build prop and .xml mods also (requires root).
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I hear the frustration. Personally, I like to see ROMs from someone who is so passionate and motivated about the device that they went out and bought one, is willing to trip the Knox counter, void warranty and possibly brick the device. That person, I hope, would love the device enough to continue with development when most everyone else has moved on to the next latest and greatest device (DanielHK for the Samsung p6800, for example). In addition, the developer has to be thick-skinned enough to read complaints (both constructive and destructive) and deal with widely varying age groups that have different levels of expectations. Even so, for non-programmer types there is much that can be done via modification of the stock ROM, remove bloat, remove Knox, write to sdcard mod, etc. There is a bit of a learning curve.
What is it about the T700 performance that is unsatisfying? Perhaps there is already a solution. New launchers can be easily installed (Nova, for example). Developer options can tweak some limited performance issues. There are build prop and .xml mods also (requires root).
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I dont get how this reply fits this thread..
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I dont get how this reply fits this thread..
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It fits because one of the developers noted in the original post replied and explained his reasons as to why he (probably) will not participate. He suggested that the donated money go elsewhere. Keep in mind that giving developers a tablet is not, necessarily, "giving back" -- for the developer it is also proposing that they work. Does the request propose giving the developers a tablet with no expectations of a ROM ever being developed for the device and not bothering them if a ROM is not forthcoming? If so, that proposal might be considered "giving back". Otherwise, the proposal is just reducing the material/monetary overhead for the developer but not reducing (or funding) the workload.
If a ROM is required, offer up a substantial bounty worth the developer's time and effort along with the materials -- then there *may* be some takers. That offer might make developers happy. Given the lack of responses at this time it appears that the offer as it stands (funded mainly by others) is not enough.
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It fits because one of the developers noted in the original post replied and explained his reasons as to why he (probably) will not participate. He suggested that the donated money go elsewhere. Keep in mind that giving developers a tablet is not, necessarily, "giving back" -- for the developer it is also proposing that they work. Does the request propose giving the developers a tablet with no expectations of a ROM ever being developed for the device and not bothering them if a ROM is not forthcoming? If so, that proposal might be considered "giving back". Otherwise, the proposal is just reducing the material/monetary overhead for the developer but not reducing (or funding) the workload.
If a ROM is required, offer up a substantial bounty worth the developer's time and effort along with the materials -- then there *may* be some takers. That offer might make developers happy. Given the lack of responses at this time it appears that the offer as it stands (funded mainly by others) is not enough.
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Now i get your point and you are right. The only purpose of this thread was to help those developers who are developing the rom and struggling without a tablet to actually have a tablet to test but most importantly for us to Say "THANK YOU" to them by giving them the tablet. If they want to work more or less after getting the tablet is their business. I was just kind enough to think about starting this thread. About upintheair i get where he comes from " NO TIME AVAILABLE " and i appreciate his honesty. Even though he has a tablet. The money portion of the thread collected can be given to him if he has a tablet and again as a thank you not as a "please work more"
I hope i was clear enough because i was in a hurry writting.
Thanks
With all the negative press lately, I'd like to see just how many people are unhappy with their device, or if it's just a vocal minority. this will only take about 30 seconds. Thanks in advance to everyone who participates!
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1...azHGoROgFFSL5w_QwTKp_gRw/viewform?usp=sf_link
I'll post the results here when I get them
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With all the negative press lately, I'd like to see just how many people are unhappy with their device, or if it's just a vocal minority. this will only take about 30 seconds. Thanks in advance to everyone who participates!
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1...azHGoROgFFSL5w_QwTKp_gRw/viewform?usp=sf_link
I'll post the results here when I get them
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Done ?
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Done, spoiler alert : like the OP5 a lot
Done, only major complaint is that auto brightness dims the screen too much at night, to the point that I can't read anything and have to manually increase brightness
Done
Done and I really like it.
Done. *Very* happy with my OnePlus 5. Just sold my Pixel XL today. Oneplus 5 is smaller, lighter, faster, louder. Same screen... to me. The Twrp & custom rom pace is amazing! And it doesn't have those weird dual partitions.
The OnePlus 5 launch was a great sales event and I think it may have drawn some sales from folks that maybe were not as committed after the event ended.
Their promised shipping turn around was ambitious and I expect they met their promise on the vast majority of their shipments. But like some, my delivery was 1 business day later than promised - and because that meant I could not play with it over the weekend, I was disappointed - but I didn't complain. I blamed that on the success of the launch and a good price/product. If you monitored the shipping thread, you saw there were people that were saying they were going to return theirs as soon as it arrived. The reported "jelly" effect, was icing on the cake.
Bottom line: great phone; great price; great expectations.
Thanks for the responses -- 133 participants so far
Pretty cool watching this data line up. Overall it seems people are extremely satisfied with their Oneplus 5 purchase so far. The only measures that people have scored as "moderately satisfied" with are the camera (at 3.5/5) and the price (at 3.6/5).
You may find the full results by following the link below. Please note that they will continue to update as responses come in. Also note that I'm hosting these on my personal website, as I'm not sure of a better way to do it, but if you know of a better way please let me know. I will post a final set of results (in a more digestible format) once I receive more data.
https://realworldtechreviews.wordpress.com/oneplus-5-survey-results/
Looks like we made good purchases
Coming from a iPhone this is my first Android experience not to familiar with all the tricks yet but the experience for me has been smooth camera takes good quality photos battery life is great getting 8-10 hrs sot and as far as mods I like the fact that you can add whatever you want whenever making it a unique device just for you. 9-10 .
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With all the negative press lately, I'd like to see just how many people are unhappy with their device, or if it's just a vocal minority. this will only take about 30 seconds. Thanks in advance to everyone who participates!
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1...azHGoROgFFSL5w_QwTKp_gRw/viewform?usp=sf_link
I'll post the results here when I get them
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The OP5 is a great phone for people who know how to use it. It surprises me that many people just rant about a problem, not because it affects them, but cause someone told them that there's some problem with their phone.
Jelly effect would have gone unnoticed easily had thw Google engineer not brought it up. Personally, I think it doesnt affect much at all.
I dnt know another flagship phone at this cost, which is as customisable as this OP5.
Let's see what the poll says.
I love the device, having used iPhone and OnePlus One before.
Results are up!
Here is my reddit post where I break down the results:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/6mftpa/results_from_a_500person_survey_evaluating_user/
And here are the raw results for you to sift through on your own
https://realworldtechreviews.wordpress.com/oneplus-5-survey-results/
As title says, OnePlus will no longer provide devices for developers. Info here: https://twitter.com/topjohnwu/status/1067440574729457664
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As title says, OnePlus will no longer provide devices for developers. Info here: https://twitter.com/topjohnwu/status/1067440574729457664
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Better send devices to reviewers
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As title says, OnePlus will no longer provide devices for developers. Info here: https://twitter.com/topjohnwu/status/1067440574729457664
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Time to find a new Dev friendly company. OP gonna f themselves with this move. The only reason they are so popular is because of the devs.
So .. we are mad because a company won't give you free stuff? This won't be a popular post, but it's true 99% of the people that use this phone will never care about any development. It would benefit the company to give the free phones to reviewers (where sales can be made) Even if everyone on this forum and the one plus forum didnt buy the device...it woukdnt pjase rhem one bit. #quethehate
They are killing the enthusiastic culture for money.
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Time to find a new Dev friendly company. OP gonna f themselves with this move. The only reason they are so popular is because of the devs.
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Too bad there are not many choices out there compared to a few years ago.
I hope I'm wrong here,but, I could see this creeping towards locked bootloaders if OnePlus' data indicates the overwhelming majority of users run a stock/unrooted phone.
Certainly,the partnership with T-Mobile is paying off, I could see this expanding to more carriers & if the price is right,OnePlus would drop aftermarket development like a bad habit....
This is the dead for Oneplus. We will see no custom rom on 6t. Look at 6 thread, there are just 4 or 5 roms. Oneplus hype is over. I give return now my 6t. The 5t was the last with good custom rom support.
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Assuming 20 dev devices sent out, there's likely over the double amount of bought devices because of the devs. Seems like for such a small investment in the dev community should be worth it? Hell, the negative PR due to ending the program should cost more.
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So .. we are mad because a company won't give you free stuff? This won't be a popular post, but it's true 99% of the people that use this phone will never care about any development. It would benefit the company to give the free phones to reviewers (where sales can be made) Even if everyone on this forum and the one plus forum didnt buy the device...it woukdnt pjase rhem one bit. #quethehate
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They're not giving you (us) free stuff. They were giving very well established developers free phones. They had the list of developers posted some where. It was a very short list (under 50 world wide). It's a 0.002% kind of numbers they were giving out. (Based on the OP6 selling 1 million phones in the first month. We'll say they sold 2 million total since then). They're definitely giving out many more review phones. And overall it's a drop in the bucket compared to other advertising spending.
A good break down of this is the Linus Tech Tips video on computer hardware rebranding. He does a very basic break down of the costs of launching new hardware. And how much of a return they get by getting reviewers to review old hardware with a new name. It's not exactly the same as here. But there are users out there who purchase a phone based on development.
I'm only one person, and this is purely anecdotal, but the only reason I even considered this phone was due OnePlus previous history of being very developer friendly. Even with the half off deal through T-Mobile, I was still on the fence about getting this over a Pixel. I'll evaluate how this goes over the next year and if anything, I'll swap from a 2-3 year phone user to only using this phone for a year and go pick up the Pixel 4 next year.
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They're not giving you (us) free stuff. They were giving very well established developers free phones. They had the list of developers posted some where. It was a very short list (under 50 world wide). It's a 0.002% kind of numbers they were giving out. (Based on the OP6 selling 1 million phones in the first month. We'll say they sold 2 million total since then). They're definitely giving out many more review phones. And overall it's a drop in the bucket compared to other advertising revenues.
A good break down of this is the Linus Tech Tips video on computer hardware rebranding. He does a very basic break down of the costs of launching new hardware. And how much of a return they get by getting reviewers to review old hardware with a new name. It's not exactly the same as here. But there are users out there who purchase a phone based on development.
I'm only one person, and this is purely anecdotal, but the only reason I even considered this phone was due OnePlus previous history of being very developer friendly. Even with the half off deal through T-Mobile, I was still on the fence about getting this over a Pixel. I'll evaluate how this goes over the next year and if anything, I'll swap from a 2-3 year phone user to only using this phone for a year and go pick up the Pixel 4 next year.
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I specifically use OP because I can mess with it, root it, change things. A month after the Galaxy phones come out, they drop to nearly what OP sells them for new. If I can't root my phone, why would I settle for the corners that OP cuts over a better - mostly everything - on a Samsung or Pixel? No reason in my mind.
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They're not giving you (us) free stuff. They were giving very well established developers free phones. They had the list of developers posted some where. It was a very short list (under 50 world wide). It's a 0.002% kind of numbers they were giving out. (Based on the OP6 selling 1 million phones in the first month. We'll say they sold 2 million total since then). They're definitely giving out many more review phones. And overall it's a drop in the bucket compared to other advertising spending.
A good break down of this is the Linus Tech Tips video on computer hardware rebranding. He does a very basic break down of the costs of launching new hardware. And how much of a return they get by getting reviewers to review old hardware with a new name. It's not exactly the same as here. But there are users out there who purchase a phone based on development.
I'm only one person, and this is purely anecdotal, but the only reason I even considered this phone was due OnePlus previous history of being very developer friendly. Even with the half off deal through T-Mobile, I was still on the fence about getting this over a Pixel. I'll evaluate how this goes over the next year and if anything, I'll swap from a 2-3 year phone user to only using this phone for a year and go pick up the Pixel 4 next year.
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Fair enough, good post.
SpectraFun said:
This is the dead for Oneplus. We will see no custom rom on 6t. Look at 6 thread, there are just 4 or 5 roms. Oneplus hype is over. I give return now my 6t. The 5t was the last with good custom rom support.
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Not to be rude but you seem to be posting very negative comments about custom roms and developers for the 6t. If you don't like the phone, return it. And as I've stated elsewhere, developers have been busting their butts trying to get twrp up and running. Which as of yesterday is now available. I personally don't see custom roms coming out until a permanent twrp was available. Now that that is, I'm sure there will be roms coming out in relatively short time. Personally I find your negative comments insulting to developers. Again if you are unhappy with the device then return it, no one's stopping you. I'm not trying to pick on you, I just find it frustrating and again demeaning to all the hard work that devs have been putting into making this phone available to use custom roms on. Rant done.
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Not to be rude but you seem to be posting very negative comments about custom roms and developers for the 6t. If you don't like the phone, return it. And as I've stated elsewhere, developers have been busting their butts trying to get twrp up and running. Which as of yesterday is now available. I personally don't see custom roms coming out until a permanent twrp was available. Now that that is, I'm sure there will be roms coming out in relatively short time. Personally I find your negative comments insulting to developers. Again if you are unhappy with the device then return it, no one's stopping you. I'm not trying to pick on you, I just find it frustrating and again demeaning to all the hard work that devs have been putting into making this phone available to use custom roms on. Rant done.
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No point to waste your time man it's just another entitled user that thinks XDA is a place to make your phone cool not a developer forum.
ozzmanj1 said:
Not to be rude but you seem to be posting very negative comments about custom roms and developers for the 6t. If you don't like the phone, return it. And as I've stated elsewhere, developers have been busting their butts trying to get twrp up and running. Which as of yesterday is now available. I personally don't see custom roms coming out until a permanent twrp was available. Now that that is, I'm sure there will be roms coming out in relatively short time. Personally I find your negative comments insulting to developers. Again if you are unhappy with the device then return it, no one's stopping you. I'm not trying to pick on you, I just find it frustrating and again demeaning to all the hard work that devs have been putting into making this phone available to use custom roms on. Rant done.
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That's a lot nicer than I would have put it. Just didn't want to get banned. ??
Give it a year or so and the bootloaders will be unlockable.
I think a good amount of the posting is to "ruffle the feathers."
It's not like the ONLY people who develop a device are those that get a free device from the manufacturer.
If you want development on a phone that has flagship-like specs (good screen, latest snapdragon, above average camera) there isn't much selection in the USA. It's this or a Pixel or buy something abroad (e.g. Exynos based Galaxy). Otherwise your out of luck. As long as the bootloader remains easily unlocked and their devices are easily rooted I could care less.
Typical click-bait type of article with the expected response.
sssarg said:
Assuming 20 dev devices sent out, there's likely over the double amount of bought devices because of the devs. Seems like for such a small investment in the dev community should be worth it? Hell, the negative PR due to ending the program should cost more.
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The majority of their customers won't even understand what this means let alone care that OP stopped doing it. The impact it will have on their sales will be a rounding error. Yes, as a percentage of total units sold, OP likely has more customers that root/ROM vs companies like Samsung. However, it looks like they're trying to focus on the main part of the business and not deal with small things that don't drive significant sales. That puts a program like this on the chopping block.
I get why they might do this, however, the only reason I buy OnePlus devices is the development support. So if development dies, I don't buy anymore phones. We have multiple OP phones in the house. I bought the 5T and now the 6T before Lineage was out, sounds like I won't buy anymore devices until ROMs are available just to be certain. The problem with that is with the short development cycle by the time that happens OP maybe onto the next device...
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It's not like the ONLY people who develop a device are those that get a free device from the manufacturer.
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This is a very valid point.
threatening to not buy devices because of lack of development is like spitting into a hurricane; no one will notice, and it wont matter one bit..
once any of the enthusiast companies start to get large sales volume, and smell corporate business, their willingness to help enthusiasts of any sort diminishes greatly..If google thought they could land more giant corporate accounts by locking down the pixel phones like samsung did, they would do it in a minute..follow the money is what all my friends tell me now a days, and they are right..
You can be as outraged as you want to over OP deciding to drop "free" anything to developers; its not going to effect any change of any sort, so you might as well save your outrage for something else..sooner or later, all bootloaders will be locked, and you wont have any better choices..
Did everyone see the update from OnePlus?
“Apologies, we weren’t as clear as we could have been. We’ve temporarily scaled back our developer program while we work out how to make it even better in the future. We’ll be updating the selection criteria and communication channels with developers in our seeding program for better co-operation. We will restart the program and select Devs based on the new criteria and will work on providing the best possible support to community development efforts for OnePlus devices.” – OnePlus Spokesperson
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xZG6qUU8ak
After you have run through the initial setup of your new Redmi Note 7 here are a few things you should do first on the Note 7.
I do two things,set gps to battery saving, and in developers options set limit proces to three instead of standard. I notice that battery last longer
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I do two things,set gps to battery saving, and in developers options set limit proces to three instead of standard. I notice that battery last longer
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How much 'longer', after you set it up to three?
i do 2 things first
1) look for twrp official
2) look for pixel experience
oh wow, NEITHER are available for this device 6 months after its released :victory:
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How much 'longer', after you set it up to three?
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For me and my phone usage..day and a half.. with playing , gaming , YouTube, data usage..social networks..
But it will a little slow down your phone.. because every app you open ,is closed ..and..takes a little time to open it.. because its not in proces..so..
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i do 2 things first
1) look for twrp official
2) look for pixel experience
oh wow, NEITHER are available for this device 6 months after its released :victory:
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Yeah how about you build your own ROM. Be patience. Developers are doing it if they felt like doing it. Stop barking if this phones never gets Pixel Experience ROM. Also this phone just came out for some places officially
khaidirkahi said:
Yeah how about you build your own ROM. Be patience. Developers are doing it if they felt like doing it. Stop barking if this phones never gets Pixel Experience ROM. Also this phone just came out for some places officially
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please don't get upset at me. i am very patient for 6 months - maybe you can build us pixel experience, you seem to have alot to say, stay calm i am sure we will get something custom by 2030. :fingers-crossed:
AndrewChan99 said:
please don't get upset at me. i am very patient for 6 months - maybe you can build us pixel experience, you seem to have alot to say, stay calm i am sure we will get something custom by 2030. :fingers-crossed:
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You're here on this forum since just one month and you really think you can complain about not having your new toy and scream about it ? If you're not happy with what devs give us FOR FREE... what are you doing here ? do u understand words like "community", "free work" and "sharing" ? i guess no.
Please, with all respect, do not respond, you will just look more stupid (if it's even possible).
Not releasing source code isn't sharing ?
AndrewChan99 said:
please don't get upset at me. i am very patient for 6 months - maybe you can build us pixel experience, you seem to have alot to say, stay calm i am sure we will get something custom by 2030. :fingers-crossed:
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You are a living example of what is wrong with this community and how much better it used to be. A lot of cocky ungrateful brats these days, acting like people owe them anything lol. Well here is the truth, no one owes you **** here buddy, so stop crying and whining, or as another user already said, build the rom yourself if you are so smartass. Also, you seem to have big problems with maths, because this device was released february 28. So its not even 3months old yet lmao. Just stop talking nonsense please, no one likes or appreciates your attitude in this forum.
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You are a living example of what is wrong with this community and how much better it used to be. A lot of cocky ungrateful brats these days, acting like people owe them anything lol. Well here is the truth, no one owes you **** here buddy, so stop crying and whining, or as another user already said, build the rom yourself if you are so smartass. Also, you seem to have big problems with maths, because this device was released february 28. So its not even 3months old yet lmao. Just stop talking nonsense please, no one likes or appreciates your attitude in this forum.
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You know, a couple of you guys aren't exactly helping the mood or fostering the feeling of community. I'm being blunt, not trying to continue the attacks. Folks that have been around for a while are right to keep the new people and haters in check, no doubt we need that, but jumping all over someone when he wasn't really begging, complaining about anyone in particular, or being especially rude, is a bigger problem - this turns new people off. The "old" members seem to get pissy a little too quick and a little too often, don't you think? We don't need XDA becoming 4chan/Android or the Twitter of development - we're all better than that.
I took his comment simply as frustration, and he was not incorrect, except he had the date wrong - and you seem to be aware of that, so cut him some slack, please. When you treat newer and less experienced people the exact same way you ask them NOT to act, they tend to go away rather than learn and eventually contribute to the community, and we need all the new help we can get. I'm sure I've been present in the Android ROM community for longer than anyone in this thread (2009, HTC Dream), and I don't stoop to personal attacks here (I save it for Reddit, LOL), so I'll kindly ask you all to stick to constructive comments. I'm sure you're all smart enough to point out to people where they've gone wrong without being twice as rude as them, right?
I'll go back to lurking now, and hope the Redmi Note 7 community here is a little nicer and more helpful than some of the devices I've been researching here lately. It used to be legitimately fun. Shout out to @owenbeals for getting the ball rolling on what should be a fun and insightful thread. Let's get it back on track.
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emepher said:
You know, a couple of you guys aren't exactly helping the mood or fostering the feeling of community. I'm being blunt, not trying to continue the attacks. Folks that have been around for a while are right to keep the new people and haters in check, no doubt we need that, but jumping all over someone when he wasn't really begging, complaining about anyone in particular, or being especially rude, is a bigger problem - this turns new people off. The "old" members seem to get pissy a little too quick and a little too often, don't you think? We don't need XDA becoming 4chan/Android or the Twitter of development - we're all better than that.
I took his comment simply as frustration, and he was not incorrect, except he had the date wrong - and you seem to be aware of that, so cut him some slack, please. When you treat newer and less experienced people the exact same way you ask them NOT to act, they tend to go away rather than learn and eventually contribute to the community, and we need all the new help we can get. I'm sure I've been present in the Android ROM community for longer than anyone in this thread (2009, HTC Dream), and I don't stoop to personal attacks here (I save it for Reddit, LOL), so I'll kindly ask you all to stick to constructive comments. I'm sure you're all smart enough to point out to people where they've gone wrong without being twice as rude as them, right?
I'll go back to lurking now, and hope the Redmi Note 7 community here is a little nicer and more helpful than some of the devices I've been researching here lately. It used to be legitimately fun. Shout out to @owenbeals for getting the ball rolling on what should be a fun and insightful thread. Let's get it back on track.
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First thing I do on any Android phone or tablet: Install Nova Launcher. I like how it works, I can easily set things up the way I'm used to having them, and it works reliably and smoothly.
For the Redmi Note 7, I went ahead and used my previous/existing phone to set things up more or less automatically, which I had not had great luck with in the past but worked very well to install my apps and whatnot. I did choose to restore my Nova settings from a backup saved to my Google drive, which worked, too.
I also install Textra immediately, and this time I didn't even bother trying Xiaomi's stock messaging app, because I like Textra that much. And I turned off auto brightness, because I never agree with it on what is the correct setting for any given environment.
What else, besides case and screen protector? I know, Gorilla Glass 5, but it can still scratch, and even a cheap slim case can help a phone survive the drops I'm sure to put it through. For the cheap price, I was tempted to go "naked," just to keep it slim and simple, but that's a recipe for disaster with my butter fingers.
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Sorry but your post is wayyy too long to finish. I did read the first paragraph tho. And no, i dont feel like i did anything wrong here. He is rude, entitled and ungrateful person, thats a fact. No one likes his attitude here, thats also a fact. And its not only about this comment, if you look at his profile, hes a new member, whos all posts are the same, crying and whining and criticizing devs for not delivering his favourite rom like they owe him that. LOL. So yeah, im gonna stay with my words.
First thing I do on any Android phone or tablet: Install Nova Launcher. I like how it works, I can easily set things up the way I'm used to having them, and it works reliably and smoothly.
For the Redmi Note 7, I went ahead and used my previous/existing phone to set things up more or less automatically, which I had not had great luck with in the past but worked very well to install my apps and whatnot. I did choose to restore my Nova settings from a backup saved to my Google drive, which worked, too.
I also install Textra immediately, and this time I didn't even bother trying Xiaomi's stock messaging app, because I like Textra that much. And I turned off auto brightness, because I never agree with it on what is the correct setting for any given environment.
What else, besides case and screen protector? I know, Gorilla Glass 5, but it can still scratch, and even a cheap slim case can help a phone survive the drops I'm sure to put it through. For the cheap price, I was tempted to go "naked," just to keep it slim and simple, but that's a recipe for disaster with my butter fingers.
Next up is to unlock the boot loader, install TWRP, and try some ROMs. Big LOS fan, but I'll try any ROM that looks stable-ish.
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Plekst said:
Sorry but your post is wayyy too long to finish. I did read the first paragraph tho. And no, i dont feel like i did anything wrong here. He is rude, entitled and ungrateful person, thats a fact. No one likes his attitude here, thats also a fact. And its not only about this comment, if you look at his profile, hes a new member, whos all posts are the same, crying and whining and criticizing devs for not delivering his favourite rom like they owe him that. LOL. So yeah, im gonna stay with my words.
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Okay, great, thanks for being so helpful and making my point for me.
wow i read all this and at the end of it checked twrp.me and guess what.. still nothing!
rofl, sorry if i sound impatient but yes i agree with emepher - you guys are very wound up over nothing, if i was someone who cared what you wannabe nerds had to say i would probably leave these forums straight away, sadly for you guys i will be around for eternity, haunting your souls. Lets all just relax and enjoy, who knows you might even learn something from me.
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wow i read all this and at the end of it checked twrp.me and guess what.. still nothing!
rofl, sorry if i sound impatient but yes i agree with emepher - you guys are very wound up over nothing, if i was someone who cared what you wannabe nerds had to say i would probably leave these forums straight away, sadly for you guys i will be around for eternity, haunting your souls. Lets all just relax and enjoy, who knows you might even learn something from me.
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But you said you gonna sell this device after 1 more week. So why lie? Lmao. You are pathetic atempt of a troll, everybody know you now, just gonna get ignored kiddo. Only thing we could potentially learn from you is being childish, self entitled, rude kiddo. Oh, and we could also learn broken math from you, because apparently its been over 6months since february 28 lmao.
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But you said you gonna sell this device after 1 more week. So why lie? Lmao. You are pathetic atempt of a troll, everybody know you now, just gonna get ignored kiddo. Only thing we could potentially learn from you is being childish, self entitled, rude kiddo. Oh, and we could also learn broken math from you, because apparently its been over 6months since february 28 lmao.
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i think i might love you
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xZG6qUU8ak
After you have run through the initial setup of your new Redmi Note 7 here are a few things you should do first on the Note 7.
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Thanks for the link.