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Since this is one of the most interesting topics, i just decided to make this thread cause we were going off topic on other threads with this.
So lets hear it...
1. What you think about project ara, and phone blocks
2. Does it have a future? Why/Why not?
3. Will it work in the real world? Why/Why not?
4. Comments?
Phone Blocks
Phonebloks would consist of a main board onto which bloks could be snapped on by the user like Legos. Each blok is responsible for a unique function of the phone, much as a desktop computer has a distinct sound card, graphics card, processor, monitor, and power supply.[5] As a result, instead of replacing the entire phone when it becomes obsolete or broken, one could simply replace the defective or performance-limiting part. If the consumer wanted a better camera, for example, he or she could swap their small generic camera blok for a larger zoom camera from a manufacturer such as Nikon or Canon instead of buying a phone with a better camera. In theory, this would lead to fewer people throwing away their phones and contributing to the ever-increasing problem of electronic waste. Smartphones based on the Phonebloks system would be sold part by part, as well as in starter sets. When assembled, the phone would have a screen covering the entirety of the front, volume bottons and headphone jacks along the outer edge, and bloks clicked into the back, forming a rectangular block shape overall.
Project Ara
Project Ara is an initiative by Motorola Mobility that aims to develop a free, open hardware platform for creating highly modular smartphones. The platform will include a structural frame that holds smartphone modules of the owner's choice, such as a display, keyboard or an extra battery. It would allow users to swap out malfunctioning modules or upgrade individual modules as innovations emerge, providing longer lifetime cycles for the handset, and potentially reducing electronic waste.
Potential issues with the modular concept include a tradeoff between volumetric efficiency and modularity, as the framework interface holding the device would increase overall size and weight. Additional issues include regulatory approval; the FCC tests single configurations for approval, not modular configurations
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Ara
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonebloks
russian392 said:
Since this is one of the most interesting topics, i just decided to make this thread cause we were going off topic on other threads with this.
So lets hear it...
1. What you think about project ara, and phone blocks
2. Does it have a future? Why/Why not?
3. Will it work in the real world? Why/Why not?
4. Comments?
Phone Blocks
Phonebloks would consist of a main board onto which bloks could be snapped on by the user like Legos. Each blok is responsible for a unique function of the phone, much as a desktop computer has a distinct sound card, graphics card, processor, monitor, and power supply.[5] As a result, instead of replacing the entire phone when it becomes obsolete or broken, one could simply replace the defective or performance-limiting part. If the consumer wanted a better camera, for example, he or she could swap their small generic camera blok for a larger zoom camera from a manufacturer such as Nikon or Canon instead of buying a phone with a better camera. In thally, this would lead to fewer people throwing away their phones and contributing to the ever-increasing problem of electronic waste. Smartphones based on the Phonebloks system would be sold part by part, as well as in starter sets. When assembled, the phone would have a screen covering the entirety of the front, volume bottons and headphone jacks along the outer edge, and bloks clicked into the back, forming a rectangular block shape overall.
Project Ara
Project Ara is an initiative by Motorola Mobility that aims to develop a free, open hardware platform for creating highly modular smartphones. The platform will include a structural frame that holds smartphone modules of the owner's choice, such as a display, keyboard or an extra battery. It would allow users to swap out malfunctioning modules or upgrade individual modules as innovations emerge, providing longer lifetime cycles for the handset, and potentially reducing electronic waste.
Potential issues with the modular concept include a tradeoff between volumetric efficiency and modularity, as the framework interface holding the device would increase overall size and weight. Additional issues include regulatory approval; the FCC tests single configurations for approval, not modular configurations
Works Cited
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Ara
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonebloks
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Developing will wither be crap, difficult or be little to none at all. So... Maybe some devs might not go for it d:
Although I thinks its a great idea that can and will most likely take off in the real world, basically an android OS powered handheld PC
abrahammmmmmm_ said:
Developing will wither be crap, difficult or be little to none at all. So... Maybe some devs might not go for it d:
Although I thinks its a great idea that can and will most likely take off in the real world, basically an android OS powered handheld PC
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Didn't think of a handheld PC. Maybe just a small portable desktop computer that you could just hook up to a monitor
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The bus over which devices communicate with one another evolves as well. So once the bus evolves all your blocks could be absolete, not to mention that a lot of device types currently favor a particular type of bus rather a universal one. So if you were to go with using all the different busses that the industry likes to use (i2c, i2s, spi, usb, etc) you would end up having to place them at every block interconnect which would make for a very inefficient design.
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r00tb33r said:
The bus over which devices communicate with one another evolves as well. So once the bus evolves all your blocks could be absolete, not to mention that a lot of device types currently favor a particular type of bus rather a universal one. So if you were to go with using all the different busses that the industry likes to use (i2c, i2s, spi, usb, etc) you would end up having to place them at every block interconnect which would make for a very inefficient design.
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could you go into more detail on that? dont quite understand what a bus is
russian392 said:
could you go into more detail on that? dont quite understand what a bus is
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_(computing)
In computer architecture, a bus (from the Latin omnibus, meaning 'for all') is a communication system that transfers data between components inside a computer, or between computers. This expression covers all related hardware components (wire, optical fiber, etc.) and software, including communication protocol.
Early computer buses were parallel electrical wires with multiple connections, but the term is now used for any physical arrangement that provides the same logical functionality as a parallel electrical bus. Modern computer buses can use both parallel and bit serial connections, and can be wired in either a multidrop (electrical parallel) or daisy chain topology, or connected by switched hubs, as in the case of USB.
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The idea would only work if phone blocks had enough interest and funding. That's why project Aura seems for feasible. It's funded by Google
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russian392 said:
The idea would only work if phone blocks had enough interest and funding. That's why project Aura seems for feasible. It's funded by Google
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Today is going to be the second day of project ara convention, for who is interested.
I don't like so much the ara style, i'd like to see PB instead, but we are far enough to realize in a short time.
Honestly i'm watching to porting desktop modularity in some way to mobile phone: you may buy 4 endo phones, 3 will do your desktop and one is used for a mobile device... when you are at home you can connect all 4 to get more power.
Ok this is just a dream ... just think about it: how can you or why can't you realise it ?
Thanks
After being touted as Samsung's flagship tablet in 2014, it's truly shocking to find out that not only this device came with an outdated SoC and a sub-par battery, but it doesn't even have USB 3.0 support. You gotta be joking Samsung. I have never seen such sleazy cost cutting before, where the manufacturer uses premium parts for the things you can see with your eyes but bargain basement parts bin for everything that goes inside. Moreover, yesterday I find out that Samsung's Lollipop update won't install through the regular update channel because I have made "unauthorized modifications" to my tablet (read rooting my device in order to correct the idiotic deficiencies, such as ridiculously low headphone volume gain). Geez.
They have taken away USB3 from devices after S5 due to a lack of popularity. None of the new flagships have it.
If you root and then do an update - they have no guarantee on what you did - so how can they give you an OTA when it might ruin it.
What the heck does the "lack of popularity" mean. USB 3 has been a standard for all new USB interfaces in PCs for what, for years now? They mean, the PCs people buy with USB 3 interfaces are not popular? Do people who just bought a PC in 2013 and 2014 wish to switch back to USB 2? That's just laughable. Lack of popularity? Lynxblaine, are you being paid by Samsung?
http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/03/samsung-galaxy-note-4-hands-on/
Well no one was using it, and it was unsightly. According to the review.
lynxblaine said:
http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/03/samsung-galaxy-note-4-hands-on/
Well no one was using it, and it was unsightly. According to the review.
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No other manufacturer has put it in a smartphone. Everyone has been waiting for USB C, which we'll probably see in smartphones later in the year. Maybe the next Nexus.
Don't appreciate some new member of XDA forums criticising me and asking if i am 'paid' by Samsung for offering some opinion on an issue they are facing.
lynxblaine said:
Don't appreciate some new member of XDA forums criticising me and asking if i am 'paid' by Samsung for offering some opinion on an issue they are facing.
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Sorry for offending you. Citing the lack of popularity as the reason for not including the USB3 support sounded like an apology by or for a manufacturer's cost cutting. Now that I see the linked article, the linked article said: "This year, the phone maker went back to USB 2.0; the product managers said that not many people were using the 3.0 port for data transfers, so they didn't see the point in taking up room inside the phone for that purpose. " which apparently contains an apologetic excuse from some Samsung people. This device can have quite a bit of internal storage as well as sd card, which should justify having a faster USB connector. Of course, I can just move the data by the SD card, but I consider it more hassle than plugging a USB wire.
Consider using something like Airdroid, wifi speeds are definitely catching up with usb2 speeds, i have wireless AC so can copy files to it quicker with WiFi.
This isn't a flagship device, why would it have the latest tech? Especially a tech that no one else was using. I can see USB 3.0 on the next Note 5 (and I wouldn't be disappointed if it doesn't have it), but on Tab S, a device that was released last year?
oilfighter said:
This isn't a flagship device, why would it have the latest tech? Especially a tech that no one else was using. I can see USB 3.0 on the next Note 5 (and I wouldn't be disappointed if it doesn't have it), but on Tab S, a device that was released last year?
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It is not a flagship device. But supposed to be a flagship tablet for samsung
syncomp said:
It is not a flagship device.
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Isn't that your answer right there? The marketshare of tablets, especially just Samsung's tablets, is so miniscule when compared to their flagship devices that you shouldn't be surprised about Samsung's lack of new hardware on a devices from 2014.
USB had a buggy launch, inconsistent and confusing connectors that didn't map well in the mobile space, power issues, chip issues, and the broader billion dollar mobile market clearly didn't care that much about it, at least according to the millions poured in to overall market research on it each year...why *would* they include it? The few devices that did have it got slammed for it anyway for problems. Also who cares? No manufacturer is making these things with an eye towards how easy it is to get a lot of large files on them as quickly as possible using a cord hooked up to a PC, that was 5-7 years ago.
USB-C is where things are going, then there will be some movement. Seems silly to knock anyone, even Samsung (who have their share of decisions to be knocked about) over this.
It has the best display among tablets. That makes it flag ship.
To HUAWEI Technology Co., Ltd. Mr. Ren Zhengfei, HUAWEI consumer BG CEO Mr. Yu Chengdong's open letterDear Mr. Ren Zhengfei, Mr. Yu Chengdong:
After the launch of the new flagship P10 and P10 plus phones from your mobile terminal series, the market has been warmly received and sold well. Here, I would like to extend my warm congratulations to you and express my sincere appreciation for your persistent belief in your efforts to create the perfect product.
Since the P10 series has been sold, up to now,only as far as I know, there are a lot of negative voices about the products in the European,Japanese and Chinese mainland market. In this regard, as a P10 plus consumers, I expressed serious concern and identified with them.
These different voices I call the "gate" incident. Including but not limited to: "OC (Oleophobic Coating) gate", "flash memory gate", "WIFI gate",“memory gate” etc..
OC Gate, the P10 phone's screens don't have a oleophobic layer, which makes the screen feel dry and the screen is prone to a lot of fingerprints and sticky dust.
Flash Gate, the same type of P10 phone uses flash memory components that are significantly different from the speed level.
WIFI Gate, the p10 phones have an unstable connection when use WIFI function.
memory gate,the p10 phones lpddr3 and lpddr4 memory mix
Incident has been erupting for more than a month, although HUAWEI officials during the above incident made some statements, but in my opinion, the statement did not positive respond to the demands of the consumers. That is, there is no clear answer to whether the P10 series has any of these problems (especially flash memory), and a viable solution to the problem.
Huawei's achievements as a company have been remarkable, and it is not easy to develop. As a person concerned with supporting huawei's development and huawei product users, it is not expected that the above incidents will have a negative impact on future development of HUAWEI. To this end, I would like to ask the official HUAWEI to make a positive answer to the following, and give solutions.
1: HUAWEI consumer BG CEO Yu Chengdong said that the latest P10 phones have been sprayed oleophobic layer,pre purchase of the users can go to the HUAWEI experience store for free film or spray oleophobic layer.
For the latter solution, please:
a: Free film has the validity and the number of restrictions?
b: Whether the experience store ready for spraying?
c: Can the early buyers to replace the same type of P10 phones that have been sprayed oleophobic layer?
2: For the use of different speed levels of flash memory of the P10 phones, is there a monetary compensation for that?
3: As soon as possible to release the firmware upgrade package to solve the problem of unstable WIFI connection.
A great company in addition to possess extraordinary innovation ability and the outstanding product, it should have excellent customer relationship processing capabilities, able to face up to the customer reasonable demands and positive response. Again, i would like to ask HUAWEIi officials to give an answer to these questions.
HUAWEI P10 plus users
2017-05-02
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joooe said:
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Did you actually send it? Cause I tried to contact them about the oleophobic coating (oh, I do miss the OnePlus support) and the Huawei Romania representative did not have any clue about the infamous Huawei CEO post....
jasonpro said:
To HUAWEI Technology Co., Ltd. Mr. Ren Zhengfei, HUAWEI consumer BG CEO Mr. Yu Chengdong's open letterDear Mr. Ren Zhengfei, Mr. Yu Chengdong:
After the launch of the new flagship P10 and P10 plus phones from your mobile terminal series, the market has been warmly received and sold well. Here, I would like to extend my warm congratulations to you and express my sincere appreciation for your persistent belief in your efforts to create the perfect product.
Since the P10 series has been sold, up to now,only as far as I know, there are a lot of negative voices about the products in the European,Japanese and Chinese mainland market. In this regard, as a P10 plus consumers, I expressed serious concern and identified with them.
These different voices I call the "gate" incident. Including but not limited to: "OC (Oleophobic Coating) gate", "flash memory gate", "WIFI gate",“memory gate” etc..
OC Gate, the P10 phone's screens don't have a oleophobic layer, which makes the screen feel dry and the screen is prone to a lot of fingerprints and sticky dust.
Flash Gate, the same type of P10 phone uses flash memory components that are significantly different from the speed level.
WIFI Gate, the p10 phones have an unstable connection when use WIFI function.
memory gate,the p10 phones lpddr3 and lpddr4 memory mix
Incident has been erupting for more than a month, although HUAWEI officials during the above incident made some statements, but in my opinion, the statement did not positive respond to the demands of the consumers. That is, there is no clear answer to whether the P10 series has any of these problems (especially flash memory), and a viable solution to the problem.
Huawei's achievements as a company have been remarkable, and it is not easy to develop. As a person concerned with supporting huawei's development and huawei product users, it is not expected that the above incidents will have a negative impact on future development of HUAWEI. To this end, I would like to ask the official HUAWEI to make a positive answer to the following, and give solutions.
1: HUAWEI consumer BG CEO Yu Chengdong said that the latest P10 phones have been sprayed oleophobic layer,pre purchase of the users can go to the HUAWEI experience store for free film or spray oleophobic layer.
For the latter solution, please:
a: Free film has the validity and the number of restrictions?
b: Whether the experience store ready for spraying?
c: Can the early buyers to replace the same type of P10 phones that have been sprayed oleophobic layer?
2: For the use of different speed levels of flash memory of the P10 phones, is there a monetary compensation for that?
3: As soon as possible to release the firmware upgrade package to solve the problem of unstable WIFI connection.
A great company in addition to possess extraordinary innovation ability and the outstanding product, it should have excellent customer relationship processing capabilities, able to face up to the customer reasonable demands and positive response. Again, i would like to ask HUAWEIi officials to give an answer to these questions.
HUAWEI P10 plus users
2017-05-02
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Could Oneplus be having us on all this time and the 3.5mm jack is actually still part of the 6T?
https://twitter.com/oneplus/status/1048905784434851840
You could see the charging port cutout in the case pictures but not one for a jack. It could be the port isn't visible in the pictures because it's inboard enough not to be visible in the head on shots of the cases.
My guess however would be that much like the notch speculation with the Pixel 3 XL this is probably wishful thinking. I'd be happy to be wrong...
there are zero excuses to remove already existing and well proven features that previous phone has.
There is zero tolerance for any stupidity and retardation of any seo who knows better what I need !!
I'm waiting for sams s10plus to replace my trash oneplus6, hopefully Samsung isn't retarded yet and will deliver proper phone with zero compromises.
Compromise is often an opinion rather than hard fact. I never use the headphone jack as I went wireless years ago for my gym cans; this makes the port lost space to me as filling that space with battery would be better than losing it to something I don't use.
I'm wondering if you've been on Samsung lately because there has been bootloader shenanigans and other issues over there, to my knowledge zero compromise does not exist in the mobile phone world. You kinda got to pick your poison.
Well that was a deplorable gimmick! Just an announcement date and a let down date at that. Oneplus are taking the pi$$ now!
Just as bad as Apple's "planet" wallpaper hiding their hideously large notch in the iPhone X, XS, XS Max and XR.
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We don't need two threads about the supposedly non-existent headphone jack. You may continue this discussion here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-6t/how-to/oneplus-6t-abandoning-headphone-jack-t3842030
hallo dare said:
Could Oneplus be having us on all this time and the 3.5mm jack is actually still part of the 6T?
https://twitter.com/oneplus/status/1048905784434851840
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Hi all, my first post.
I tried here some searches for similar products to what I will cover, but couldn't find anything specific for this topic. Nexdock is similar, but only works with higher spec devices (in particular with a true USB-C port capable of high speed data transfer). It's quite a bit more expensive too.
I brought the Anyware Phonebook on indiegogo, after it had a succesful Kickstarter campaign. I paid 199$ USD plus extras P&P and customs duty, and received it a week or so ago. I have seen since placing the order several reviews on Youtube, that give an impression that the the device has several faults and is glitchy in performance..
Mine eventually arrived a few days ago, and I have used it with two Xiaomi devices (MI Mix 3 & MI Max 3), neither of which have true USB-C ports (only the shape is right!), but the performance is pretty good, much to my surprise!
The device is in laptop form without processor/chipset/memory. Hence it has a screen (touchscreen in fact), keyboard with touchpad, speakers, bluetooth, an inbuilt battery (with passthrough charging for the connected smartphone), and several input and ouput ports. The phone provides the guts of the set-up, hence everytime you upgrade your phone, you upgrade your "laptop" at the same time.
It works well with the Xiaomi devices, although the phonebook is slightly laggy, and the screen mirroring is not very clear for small writing. These I suspect are quality faults originating from the phones rather than the Phonebook. I am reasonably confident in this statement, because I have also paired up with a Windows Mobile from 2015 (Lumia 950 XL), and despite only a brief playaround, the experience was quicker, smoother and clearer.
One known fault that I should also mention, is that the sound from my android devices does not pass through, so the sound will continue to come from the phone. I knew about this before I purchased, but as it was not a big deal for me, I brought it anyway.
I hope some might find this useful. I am very glad I bought it anyway.
Any more info or links needed, please let me know. I don't know how responses and communication work on this forum yet, but I am sure I will be notified somehow of responses.
One last thing to mention, the Anyware team are now working on a 15.6" portable monitor, already funded and closed on Kickstarter. I won't get mine until the new year, but that will work the same way and with the same devices as the PhoneBook.
Ricky