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at&t note 5 root?

will there be root for this phone on att or will it have the same issues as the note 4?

rtubbs85 said:
will there be root for this phone on att or will it have the same issues as the note 4?
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same issues. They said they will not support unlocked bootloaders..
http://androidandme.com/2013/08/car...upport-unlocked-bootloaders-once-and-for-all/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...tloaders-so-stop-asking-us-about-every-phone/

danon.brown said:
same issues. They said they will not support unlocked bootloaders..
http://androidandme.com/2013/08/car...upport-unlocked-bootloaders-once-and-for-all/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...tloaders-so-stop-asking-us-about-every-phone/
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Those are from 2 years ago IVe had rooted phones since then.

What I'm saying is if they said that back then why was I able to get root on other phones?

Root <> unlocked bootloader....
That being said, no one knows if it will get root or not. It depends if a suitable exploit is discovered to do it. 5.1.1 plugs a few of the known exploits, so it won't happen the exact same way it did in the S6.
Only time will tell.
Also keep in mind that root can mean different things too... Permanent, temporary, root but with no system modification, etc... No one knows which we will get, if any.

keep in mind that most of the talented Devs have abandoned Samsung, so that might make it even worse

Doesn't the Note 5 have the same hardware as the S6/S6E? Seems like it should be able to be done like those phones but I don't know if that's true or not.

I'm thinking about getting this phone, but will hold off until proven root on AT&T.
I just saw this article, so maybe I'll stay with my HTC:
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/samsun...d-features-att-and-verizon-models-wont-468357
The Verizon and AT&T models have a carrier specific mechanism, which is apart of the Samsung Knox Security Suite, Samsung Knox director of business development Ram Motipally detailed to iDigitalTimes at a recent briefing in New York prior to the Galaxy Note 5 and S6 Edge+ launch. “In most of the U.S. devices, if you root the device the device won’t even boot up; if it’s AT&T or Verizon,” he said.

Canadian LG G5 (Model H831) confirmed not rootable

After exhaustive searching, I've come to the conclusion that my brand spanking new G5 on the Rogers network cannot be rooted. Looks like I'll have to move south of the border to get a US model.

Does the EU model with the official bootloader unlock not work on Canadian networks? That would be preferable to a US model and a root that might not work after version updates.

@Kudalufi, that might work but it's too much of an unknown for me. I read somewhere along the way that the Canadian LTE frequency bands are unique to Canada. And although I can't see how that would affect a rooting attempt, I'm not going to risk it. A good thought though, thanks anyway.

I find that hard to believe... in 10 years I haven't had a phone that these dudes at XDA haven't figured out... the G4 was a pain but the root was still out there.

Fair enough. But - for me - the potential headaches of rooting this particular phone outweigh the benefits. If I can find a no muss no fuss solution, wonderful and I'll take it. And if I can't get it, that's cool too. In that case, I'll go hang out with my buddies or play with my kids instead

God67 said:
I find that hard to believe... in 10 years I haven't had a phone that these dudes at XDA haven't figured out... the G4 was a pain but the root was still out there.
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Unfortunately only the handsets THAT LG.. in their wisdom.. deem "unlockable"(EU/European).. will ever have a fully unlockable bootloader.
Unless anyone finds a way.. that so far through all research.. has been for the most part.. A dead end, there will be no rooting ?

The G5 is long past it's new and exciting phase. The root experts have moved on to better pickings. Platforms where rooting will get them attention, money, fame, and wimmin.
I'm relatively certain there will be no general root for the G5. Which is a shame, because this lost LG my business.

Anarchist77 said:
Unfortunately only the handsets THAT LG.. in their wisdom.. deem "unlockable"(EU/European).. will ever have a fully unlockable bootloader.
Unless anyone finds a way.. that so far through all research.. has been for the most part.. A dead end, there will be no rooting
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i can guarantee you that the big companies like rogers, at&t, etc. offered LG money to have the bootloader locked. and LG, like the idiotic company that it is, accepted.
what is the real difference between the european G5s and the north american G5s? the t-mobile and the factory unlocked US versions(just recently released) can have their bootloaders unlocked. why can't the rest?
my first LG phone and my last. i'm actually thinking of selling this great phone.

By definition carrier never liked root-able phone as they are bearing the risk whatever are the terms, if your phone brick you may ultimately move somewhere else and cost them money in the process.
Whatever we agree on this is or not is not the point, they do prefer locked phone, a lot of the hardware manufacturer also prefer to see their hardware installed inside locked handset this is why some camera are not as good on the rooted version than the locked version (they protect the firmware that work only fully on locked handset)
As far as I know LG never sold the G5 claiming they would support unlocking boot loader on all the SKU... I will always prefer an unlocked device over a locked one. I bought mine used and it was a good deal, but I would not purchase a new phone at full price if it is locked. Some company are better in this regard. Unlocking should be a matter of choice for any non-subsidized model.

sal82 said:
i can guarantee you that the big companies like rogers, at&t, etc. offered LG money to have the bootloader locked. and LG, like the idiotic company that it is, accepted.
what is the real difference between the european G5s and the north american G5s? the t-mobile and the factory unlocked US versions(just recently released) can have their bootloaders unlocked. why can't the rest?
my first LG phone and my last. i'm actually thinking of selling this great phone.
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I had an H840 that cannot be unlocked, I spent countless hours searching online and following spam tutorials to get it unlocked but no luck. In the end I sold it on eBay hoping to get about £200 for it but to my surprise I sold it for £264 and I bought a used H850 for £240. Now I have a rooted device.

Has anyone tried Magisk?

Try this for bootloader unlock, can't hurt..
https://www.change.org/p/lg-electronics-unlock-lg-g5-bootloader-for-all-varients?

God67 said:
I find that hard to believe... in 10 years I haven't had a phone that these dudes at XDA haven't figured out... the G4 was a pain but the root was still out there.
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The reason Canadian G4 has root, is because there was a loophole in the Android 5.0 software that allowed you to do some code injection and root it without unlocking the bootloader. But that was patched in Canadian G4 6.0. And the G5 came even later, so for sure the loophole has been patched. Now, bootloader is everything, and if it is not unlocked, you're out of luck when it comes to gaining root access.

God67 said:
I find that hard to believe... in 10 years I haven't had a phone that these dudes at XDA haven't figured out... the G4 was a pain but the root was still out there.
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Hope and pray that petition works...

Can I use a LG G5 RS988 anywhere in the world? It says north american varient but its specs would work anywhere where the carrierd use them no?

Storkish said:
Can I use a LG G5 RS988 anywhere in the world? It says north american varient but its specs would work anywhere where the carrierd use them no?
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As far as I've read it should work almost everywhere as I've saw the frequencies on first eye.
http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-RS988-Silver-g5-unlocked
Scroll down to the specs and compare it to the frequency the country you are living in/want to visit has.

What models are likely to get root?

Wanting to get the phone and see how the US versions(snapdragon)of the S8+ are starting to get root. Wondering if many of you think this trend will follow with the Note 8 Snapdragon versions?

I say just sit back and wait.
Yes, it has been said the snapdragon will get root with a possible of 80% limit on the battery just like the s8.
All we can do is wait and see

the Snapdragon models will probably get root sooner or later, but the Exynos ones seem to already have a method. I'm about to take the plunge on it myself.

The Note 8 US models will get root. Just be patient the phone just came out on the 15th. I have had multiple phones with locked bootloaders and every time some hard working people find a way to root them. This phone will have root soon.

Kalm_Traveler said:
the Snapdragon models will probably get root sooner or later, but the Exynos ones seem to already have a method. I'm about to take the plunge on it myself.
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Yes twrp and root already available for exynos versions...always within the first week of launch it seems.
Snapdragons....who knows lol. Will likely get some form of root with certain issues as usual. Will never get twrp.
Dont waste your money on snapdragon if development matters to you.
sent from my Note FE, S8 plus, or S6

Exynos and it already has root and twrp
Sent from my SM-N950N using XDA-Developers Legacy app

Rooting a locked bootloader phone is much like running homebrew or a flat-out custom firmware on a game console.
Determined individuals will find a way, but it'll take quite some time and rely on security exploits that could just as easily be used for nefarious purposes, so don't be surprised if they get patched out in future updates.
Meanwhile, you could just get a device with an unlocked bootloader and be on your merry way, but that only applies to Exynos variants and maybe the Snapdragon variant sold in Hong Kong. Needless to say, that makes things a pain for North American buyers for a litany of reasons - doubly so if you're on Sprint or Verizon due to lack of CDMA support on Exynos.

NamelessFragger said:
Rooting a locked bootloader phone is much like running homebrew or a flat-out custom firmware on a game console.
Determined individuals will find a way, but it'll take quite some time and rely on security exploits that could just as easily be used for nefarious purposes, so don't be surprised if they get patched out in future updates.
Meanwhile, you could just get a device with an unlocked bootloader and be on your merry way, but that only applies to Exynos variants and maybe the Snapdragon variant sold in Hong Kong. Needless to say, that makes things a pain for North American buyers for a litany of reasons - doubly so if you're on Sprint or Verizon due to lack of CDMA support on Exynos.
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This is all true. There really isn't a reason to root the Snapdragon variant unless you absolutely need it for an app that requires root. You can't run any custom ROMs on a phone with a locked bootloader, even if it is rooted.
Just like with the S7/Edge Snapdragons, they had root but it was so unreliable I could never really keep my phone rooted. There were severe battery drain issues, lag and more and these issues remain today for people still trying to root that phone.
I still have my old reliable Note 5 rooted and I still it today even though I have a Note 8 now.

Does anyone know if rooting the note8 will trigger Knox?

jeezy85 said:
Does anyone know if rooting the note8 will trigger Knox?
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Yes it does.
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This is all true. There really isn't a reason to root the Snapdragon variant unless you absolutely need it for an app that requires root. You can't run any custom ROMs on a phone with a locked bootloader, even if it is rooted.
Just like with the S7/Edge Snapdragons, they had root but it was so unreliable I could never really keep my phone rooted. There were severe battery drain issues, lag and more and these issues remain today for people still trying to root that phone.
I still have my old reliable Note 5 rooted and I still it today even though I have a Note 8 now.
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This. Sure snapdragons will get root but it won't be for months and it will limit battery to 80%. Plus no twrp or custom roms. Not worth it imho. That's why if root and roms are important to you, Exynos is your only real option.

Unlocked bootloader

Hi All,
Can someone PLEASE explain me howcome the Exynos variant's bootloader is unlockable while his Snapdragon counterpart is not? was it made in purpose from Samsung's side?
Is this bootloader unlocking of the Snapdragon variant is "dead end" 100% and he who wants custom recovery (TWRP) on Note 8 should obtain ONLY the Exynos variant ?
Thank you very much

Yes its dead it wont happen

pbedard said:
Yes its dead it wont happen
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Alright then I'll sell my SM-N950U1 and purchase a new Android based phone that has a custom recovery option in XDA.
Any suggestions? does the note 8 has the best specs?

I'm changing to htc

rpz79 said:
Alright then I'll sell my SM-N950U1 and purchase a new Android based phone that has a custom recovery option in XDA.
Any suggestions? does the note 8 has the best specs?
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So you purchased a $1000 phone... without understanding the limitations?

myechophone said:
So you purchased a $1000 phone... without understanding the limitations?
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Facepalm

myechophone said:
So you purchased a $1000 phone... without understanding the limitations?
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Unfortunately yes
This is my 2nd note and 4th galaxy
I only had Samsung's and they all were fully rooted with custom recovery.
This is the first and last time I buy cell phone with a locked bootloader i.e doesn't have TWRP option.
I don't need much TWRP as I need Xposed (although NAND backup could be very useful) but it seems they have a correlation.
I will sell this phone and buy the Exynos variant.

rpz79 said:
Unfortunately yes
This is my 2nd note and 4th galaxy
I only had Samsung's and they all were fully rooted with custom recovery.
This is the first and last time I buy cell phone with a locked bootloader i.e doesn't have TWRP option.
I don't need much TWRP as I need Xposed (although NAND backup could be very useful) but it seems they have a correlation.
I will sell this phone and buy the Exynos variant.
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Yeah that's the best thing you could do. Honestly rooting and roms dien breed unfortunately. It hurts me to say that I am a die hard fan of it. I knew my model didn't have the best for root before I bought. Phone has the most sought after features.
I mean look at apple even copying a lot of samsung. That says something. I got my model because my carrier offered a more affordable payment plan then samsung. Once One plus catches up with samsung features that will be the phone to buy for sure.

Nick216ohio said:
Once One plus catches up with samsung features that will be the phone to buy for sure.
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Unfortunately it will cost just as much if not more.....

ultramag69 said:
Unfortunately it will cost just as much if not more.....
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Samsung vast amount of features with one plus vast root/rom community= Dream come true and take my 1k please.

Nick216ohio said:
Samsung vast amount of features with one plus vast root/rom community= Dream come true and take my 1k please.
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Only if they stay true to the developement community.
Samsung used to be happy to support the developement community too, they had active representatives on our forums and every time a new phone came out, the new apps and feature that had been created here were suddenly incorporated into the new "Official Firmware"...
They even poached devs to work for them..
Then came KNOX and the end of Samsung support, though they do still seem to look for ideas to incorporate into their firmware for the latest devices at the best price to them, free...

ultramag69 said:
Only if they stay true to the developement community.
Samsung used to be happy to support the developement community too, they had active representatives on our forums and every time a new phone came out, the new apps and feature that had been created here were suddenly incorporated into the new "Official Firmware"...
They even poached devs to work for them..
Then came KNOX and the end of Samsung support, though they do still seem to look for ideas to incorporate into their firmware for the latest devices at the best price to them, free...
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That is definitely true. I remember having galaxy 1,2,3 and it was Rom heaven. I don't see One Plus going that route though. They started from the gate with Rom openness and listening.
I definitely think it's wrong how all the big phone makers turned there back on Rom community. Most of the great features phones have now days is because of developers. Then constraint that wtf?

No one have yet to explain why the Exynos variant has an unlocked bootloader.
Was is it deliberate by Samsung i.e lock the Snapdragon BL and unlock the Exynos BL ?
or was it through an effort of the XDA community to unlock it?

Im happy without root. Since we can do so many tweaks woth ADB and we also have apps. Like disconnet pro or adhell which only works on samsung phones to remove ads on apps. (Hate those vpn software like blokada adguard etc). Other things like getting spotify apps free ads. Youtube app free ads can all be found here if u look for it. Not sure why i would need root now.

rpz79 said:
No one have yet to explain why the Exynos variant has an unlocked bootloader.
Was is it deliberate by Samsung i.e lock the Snapdragon BL and unlock the Exynos BL ?
or was it through an effort of the XDA community to unlock it?
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Has a lot to do with Carriers and Manufacturers.
Greed-
Choking innovation-
Little bit of security-
They know Roms can prolong the life of a phone and have features that the next device has. Of course they want you to buy over priced products every year.
Basically Androids turning into Apple. Google this if you will. Apple charges $1k for iphone x, yet only costs them $357 to make. That's incredible greedy returns.
Most of us at XDA know all this, but what can we do? We just say screw it and buy atleast the best android phone. You want root/rom? Stick to international/manufactured versions. Also make sure that international version has bootloader Unlock. Best bet is OnePlus latest phone for Root/Roms experience.

Alternatively can they not produce a "developer" edition of the Note 8 with no Knox at all and no locked bootloader?

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Stick to international/manufactured versions. Best bet is OnePlus latest phone for Root/Roms experience.
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I thought I bought an international one the SM-N950U1 is carrier unlocked. The irony is that I bought in the US to spare 100-200$ but where I currently live they sell the Exynos variant.
It's such a shame they (Samsung) doesn't give us the option to choose if want Knox or not. I'll try to sell my phone and buy a rootable with unlocked bootloader phone the Exynos variant is a possibility. They lost me as a devoted customer I can tell you.
Anyhow from what I understand the Exynos variant had an unlocked bootloader in the first place. No one had to nothing to unlock it.

Limeybastard said:
Alternatively can they not produce a "developer" edition of the Note 8 with no Knox at all and no locked bootloader?
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Alternatively can they not produce a "developer" edition of the Note 8 with no Knox at all and no locked bootloader?
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Exynos only option. They won't do that because they hate unlocked bootloaders. I am amazed international version has unlocked bootloaders. Probably because they can't it's not carrier locked. Legal reasons as well guessing. Sure that pisses off the manufactures, lol @ them.
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I thought I bought an international one the SM-N950U1 is carrier unlocked. The irony is that I bought in the US to spare 100-200$ but where I currently live they sell the Exynos variant.
It's such a shame they (Samsung) doesn't give us the option to choose if want Knox or not. I'll try to sell my phone and buy a rootable with unlocked bootloader phone the Exynos variant is a possibility. They lost me as a devoted customer I can tell you.
Anyhow from what I understand the Exynos variant had an unlocked bootloader in the first place. No one had to nothing to unlock it.
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It's not just Samsung bro. Pretty much all of them do it. Like I said before always stick to international with phones for unlocked bootloaders. Gotta find which version is bootloader unlocked 1st. Because you get screwed like you did. Especially if you care about root/roms. I myself knew I'd be screwed before even buying snapdragon Note 8. But carrier had best affordable payment plans.
$200 down and $20 month. Plus able to jump to new phone anytime. Hard to say no to that. This phone pricing ability due to carrier and packed features. Made it easy to over look root/rom. I miss Roms dearly though. Idc what anyone says Roms poop on ANY stock.

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Exynos only option. They won't do that because they hate unlocked bootloaders. I am amazed international version has unlocked bootloaders. Probably because they can't it's not carrier locked. Legal reasons as well guessing. Sure that pisses off the manufactures, lol @ them.
It's not just Samsung bro. Pretty much all of them do it. Like I said before always stick to international with phones for unlocked bootloaders. Especially if you care about root/roms. I myself knew I'd be screwed before even buying snapdragon Note 8. But carrier had best affordable payment plans.
$200 down and $20 month. Plus able to jump to new phone anytime. Hard to say no to that. This phone pricing ability due to carrier and packed features. Made it easy to over look root/rom. I miss Roms dearly though. Idc what anyone says Roms poop on ANY stock.
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Last Note with unlocked bootloader was the T Mobile Note 3 I owned.
I'm happy with stock N8 on tmo. Lots of "stuff" already can be done. I also use Substratum.
Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

Limeybastard said:
Last Note with unlocked bootloader was the T Mobile Note 3 I owned.
I'm happy with stock N8 on tmo. Lots of "stuff" already can be done. I also use Substratum.
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Roms have come a long way since Note 3 lol. Not try sound like a smart AO to you. But when was last time used a Rom? Bro for example Res remix is breathtaking with the features. My last phone had that Rom. Made stock look like a welfare case.
Not going to lie Samsung does have best stock IMO out of other stock androids.

Petition to Samsung to let us unlock the bootloader of our Note 9 SNAPDRAGON NORTH AM

I will start by saying i know that this has been done and that Samsung will never listen to us or that simply doesn't care but
I have started a campaign on Twitter i will write a request directed at Samsung Mobile and Samsung Mobile USA everyday until they block me or something else happens.
If you don't agree with me its really ok and i see your reasoning, but the purpose of this threat is to attach it on the Twitter request.
So i would like to invite you to join my request just by writing down on the thread with capital letters "UNLOCK OUR DEVICE"
For those who don't agree with me I would like that you don't write it here lets keep this thread clean and focused.
Let's hope that by doing the same thing we get different results.
Here is the link of the tweet i will be writing everyday:
https://twitter.com/Shkrepsja/status/1141086683770818562?s=19
Feel free to retweet it or disagree with me there
Thank you!:highfive:

They don't care. Only ones who they will listen to are the service providers and Verizon will tell them to lock it down even more

bignazpwns said:
They don't care. Only ones who they will listen to are the service providers and Verizon will tell them to lock it down even more
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I know but don't care i will continue doing that at least until they block me ?

If only someone with real influence could join you on Twitter.

alanifotis said:
I know but don't care i will continue doing that at least until they block me ?
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Its been done. It won't change anything until the provider tells them to. It's locked because of them. And they won't unlock it because you can just run features they charge for for free. It makes no sense for them to unlock it. People are going to keep buying the devices reguardless.

roaduardo said:
If only someone with real influence could join you on Twitter.
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Its they have given up i guess but i won't
I don't why only Samsung does that man some say that is because of the carriers but i don't think saw because if you think about it OnePlus have a unlock bootloader. What does that mean OnePlus has bigger balls then Samsung?

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Its been done. It won't change anything until the provider tells them to. It's locked because of them. And they won't unlock it because you can just run features they charge for for free. It makes no sense for them to unlock it. People are going to keep buying the devices reguardless.
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OnePlus has an unlocked bootloader do you think they have bigger balls then Samsung?

alanifotis said:
OnePlus has an unlocked bootloader do you think they have bigger balls then Samsung?
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Probably. Even the T-Mobile version has one once you pay it off. That's most likely gonna be my next phone.

The_Keeper86 said:
Probably. Even the T-Mobile version has one once you pay it off. That's most likely gonna be my next phone.
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Thats exactly my point we pay almost 1000 $ for the phone we shouldn't have less options then OnePlus

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Thats exactly my point we pay almost 1000 $ for the phone we shouldn't have less options then OnePlus
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I totally agree man. It's a damn shame really. My first Note was the Note 5 straight from T-Mobile it had an unlocked bootloader. That was January 2016. I guess some laws changed since then? I don't know.

The_Keeper86 said:
I totally agree man. It's a damn shame really. My first Note was the Note 5 straight from T-Mobile it had an unlocked bootloader. That was January 2016. I guess some laws changed since then? I don't know.
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Even tmobile versions have locked bootloaders now. Idk about the law but if OnePlus Pixel LG have unlocked bootloaders we should have them too

The_Keeper86 said:
I totally agree man. It's a damn shame really. My first Note was the Note 5 straight from T-Mobile it had an unlocked bootloader. That was January 2016. I guess some laws changed since then? I don't know.
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No "law" has changed. Just company policy. If there was a "law" that changed, people wouldn't be able to unlock other phones, like OnePlus phones that are sold through T-Mobile. I unlocked my OnePlus 7 Pro easily. This locked bootloader BS is from Samsung and/or Qualcomm and/or T-Mobile policy.

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Even tmobile versions have locked bootloaders now. Idk about the law but if OnePlus Pixel LG have unlocked bootloaders we should have them too
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Include John Legere(?) Or however his name is spelt. The CEO of TMobile. I remember on the Note 5 someone tweeted him about a bootloader unlock and he tweeted Samsung. Lol. Wait, that might have been the Note 8. I don't remember, but tweet him either way.

but....you can already unlock the bootloader. just not on north american carrier models.
( strangely in south america and China the same SOC (snapdragon) can be unlocked. and of course the exynos model too...i wonder why... how can it be that the reset of the WHOLE PLANET HAS UNLOCKABLE BOOTLAODERS...lol ..i really wonder why.....
but seriously its prety obvious to me)
that's 'merican freedom for ya.( lol funny how a communist country has better rights in certain aspects of life)
so do the logical thing, read up on the subject and petition the carriers instead ( they are the true culprits obviously). ( while ure at it petition all that is bad about em like price of contracts and such)
as it stands OPs 'efforts' are a big waste of time.

Jammol said:
Include John Legere(?) Or however his name is spelt. The CEO of TMobile. I remember on the Note 5 someone tweeted him about a bootloader unlock and he tweeted Samsung. Lol. Wait, that might have been the Note 8. I don't remember, but tweet him either way.
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I will on tomorrow's tweet

bober10113 said:
but....you can already unlock the bootloader. just not on north american carrier models.
( strangely in south america and China the same SOC (snapdragon) can be unlocked. and of course the exynos model too...i wonder why... how can it be that the reset of the WHOLE PLANET HAS UNLOCKABLE BOOTLAODERS...lol ..i really wonder why.....
but seriously its prety obvious to me)
that's 'merican freedom for ya.( lol funny how a communist country has better rights in certain aspects of life)
so do the logical thing, read up on the subject and petition the carriers instead ( they are the true culprits obviously). ( while ure at it petition all that is bad about em like price of contracts and such)
as it stands OPs 'efforts' are a big waste of time.
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Idk man but i don't think that the carrier's are to blame Samsung makes the devices and should have the ball to say this my device if you want you sell it as it is. You see iPhone's, pixels onepluses etc with no bloatware and unlocked bootloader and the biggest smartphone manufacturer has bloats and no unlocked bootloader
SAMSUNG SERIOUSLY STEP UP AND BE A MAN GROW A PAIR OF BALLS

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Idk man but i don't think that the carrier's are to blame Samsung makes the devices and should have the ball to say this my device if you want you sell it as it is. You see iPhone's, pixels onepluses etc with no bloatware and unlocked bootloader and the biggest smartphone manufacturer has bloats and no unlocked bootloader
SAMSUNG SERIOUSLY STEP UP AND BE A MAN GROW A PAIR OF BALLS
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well the n960u1 firmware has no bloat...
and the iphone is locked tighter than... lol i wont go there.
its the carriers trust me. they require samsung to put the bloat as part of the deal. its in the contract they have with samsung and they require them to locked it down and bloat it up. samsung won't make 2 phones available for a region. they produce the hardware and slap on the csc and other crap. thats why the U1 is bloatless( sammy bought device directly) but locked because its a requirement by the providers because that device will end up on an north America provider. it represents millions of dollars if not more to get these devices onto the market and into shady carrier plans. why would samsung refuse this business/contract? i mean if someone gives me 20 000$ to piss in some one's porch, as morally wrong rhat may be, id probaly do it because we're all in the money making business unfortunately.
again this practice of not allowing a bootloader to be unlocked is very different for the rest of the world. i reiterate, apart from north america, every single device samsung produces for the planet can get their bootloader unlocked.
isint that proof enough ?
id take it up with the carriers and ure state law office instead.
again, samsung is only producing fones in accordance with the carrier's ruling. its like buying a car second hand and the original owner payed extra for some stupid spoiler or something and you as the 3nd party goes back to the dealership and blames the dealer for it... they just abide to the order.
moreover, i wouldint be surprised the united states fcc and carriers have some sort of agreement that is not public or you have to be a lawyer to read the fine print and hundreds of pages that stipulates why the device's bootloader is not allowed to be unlocked. its politics and money related for sure.
are you surpised? that's 'merica for ya.
anyways ill say it again. people should just stop buing NA devices.
also here is proof that its the providers:
alot of them wont allow you to use advanced csc features like wifi calling and volte on 'greymarket' devices. they even made up a term for it because they didnt get a piece of the pie when u buy a device that is not carrier bought ie: international version.
when u buy a car second hand or that is from an other country, does the state roads bureau say no you cant drive it? or no you cant modify it? of course not. you pay taxes and have a permit that enables you to drive it.
so by paying good money monthly to have a line and data plan, they should be doing these shady practices that the rest of the world dont do.
businesses own America.(and canada)

What's the point considering how difficult they make it even with s10 series exynos. Think I might get off the Sammy train next, as I require root for all my devices and note 10 exynos will be just as difficult as s10 series is at this point, with virtually no development.
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What's the point considering how difficult they make it even with s10 series exynos. Think I might get off the Sammy train next, as I require root for all my devices and note 10 exynos will be just as difficult as s10 series is at this point, with virtually no development.
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i get where ure coming from.
but unlocking the BL is but half of the task. but i mean we're just the users using what ever means other people find and develop to gain root access. how hard or how skillful these people that are developping and contributing to get recovery and root this time around i dont know. The ease at which the s7, s8...etc were overcome by, may be a pure fluke. maybe there is just less intrest for doing so on these devices than before. with all the new companies, there are no longer the top 3 manufactures that made it more likely that people would choose samsung to develop on.
but if I'm not mistaken the problem or should i say difficulty with the s10 is the recovery and the handoff/subsequent boot process to homescreen. purely speaking about root, i think top john woo came up with the method prety quickly. but as someone that likes flashing roms and zips, recovery is a very big part of the root/recovery double edged sword. but as anything else, since the methods have changed abit, there are always things to overcome at first. what is not bad about this scenario is that the s10 helped bring those hurdles months ago to light and i think that this will help speed up things for the note 10(compared to the s10). but all in all it does slow things down regarding development, that i agree. but ireally think thats because the interest of devs and the fact that the market is being flooded by:
more different models and sub models and more phone companies than before, thus diluting the dev base in more fractionated parties... and ive heard also people saying that they dont even feel the need to root and all that comes with it anymore. for me though, lol that's not the case.
anyways, i guess we'll see when we get there...( august ? lol)

As i said it's not that i disagree but we must do our part
At least i will and lets hope we achieve something