G7 Plus camera, is f/1.7 or f/1.8 the real aperture?? - Moto G7 Plus Questions & Answers

The G7 Plus supposedly has f/1.7 aperture, but the EXIF information in the jpeg photos taken with the device shows an aperture of f/1.8. And also a relatively high iso automatically set in mid light conditions seems to support that 1.8 is indeed the aperture.
I also search in various G7 Plus reviews in which is stated that the aperture is 1.7, but the photo samples I downloaded from these reviews also has the metadata info of 1.8.
The G7 Plus is supposedly better than the other members of the family in various aspects (ois, 16mp...) and also in the aperture, which is very important, but I'm not sure that it has indeed f/1.7
So, what is the real aperture of the device?
Perhaps is only a software issue showing the incorrect value, but as I can see "it acts as having" 1.8
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Hmm.. all my photo's show an aperture of f/1.7
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I just checked as well and my pics are f/1.7. I tried both GCam and the default camera app.

Mmm... Perhaps it is a software bug, reporting the incorrect number.
My phone has Android version 9 and compilation number PPW29.98-17-3.
Also if you see in this two reviews, for example, the original photo files can be downloaded and it has the info F1.8 the same as my phone
https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g7_plus-review-1887p5.php
https://www.dxomark.com/motorola-moto-g7-plus-camera-review/
This is strange... Perhaps it is an error given the fact that the other members of the family have 1.8 and the code wasn't properly adaptated for the Plus, and 1.8 just stay there without anyone changing it... I don't know.
The thing is also that the phone tends to automatically use higher ISO than I should spect from a F1.7 phone. Perhaps this is also a bug from a code originally designed for the others F1.8 members of the family.
What Android version and compilation number do you have?
Note: this is a carrier branded phone.
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lanosalf said:
Mmm... Perhaps it is a software bug, reporting the incorrect number.
My phone has Android version 9 and compilation number PPW29.98-17-3.
Also if you see in this two reviews, for example, the original photo files can be downloaded and it has the info F1.8 the same as my phone
https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g7_plus-review-1887p5.php
https://www.dxomark.com/motorola-moto-g7-plus-camera-review/
This is strange... Perhaps it is an error given the fact that the other members of the family have 1.8 and the code wasn't properly adaptated for the Plus, and 1.8 just stay there without anyone changing it... I don't know.
The thing is also that the phone tends to automatically use higher ISO than I should spect from a F1.7 phone. Perhaps this is also a bug from a code originally designed for the others F1.8 members of the family.
What Android version and compilation number do you have?
Note: this is a carrier branded phone.
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Yeah that's odd eh. Not sure what it could be on your end.
I'm on 10, QPWS30.61-21-9, non-branded factory unlocked RETLA . Are there any differences perhaps between xt1965-2 and xt1965-3 devices ?

I don't know, it will be good to know.
Mine is the xt1965-2 version.
I'll be glad to know if other users has 1.7 or 1.8.
My phone is still under warranty for 12 month, so I won't update it to Android 10 until there is an official OTA update.
I'll be posting here when I update to Android 10 and report if the F aperture change from 1.8 to 1.7, and if it start acting as it indeed has an F1.7 real aperture.
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Reporting back.
After update to Android 10 compilation QPWS30.61-21-9, now photos have in the EXIF information f/1.7.
Nevertheless I must say that I doubt that it indeed has a real 1.7 camera, sorry. It would strange for Motorola to make a fraude on this, I know, but the ISO values of the photos are generally big values like 1764 in regular light conditions, that in not consistent with f1.7.
I have a Samsung S7 edge with f1.7 and in same light conditions and obturation time, it use iso much smaller like 200.

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Quick question. Please read :X

Ok, So the camera's 3.2 mega pixel and the video recorder records pretty low res.
Would it be possible to edit the recorder so that it can record higher res/better quality?
Or is there any apps or console commands to change this
Unfortunatly the camera is very poor and nothing will fix it. Thats all there is too it.
Ok, Well that didn't answer my question.
Any the camera isn't poor it works great, Its a bit crappy in low light but still it looks awesome and better then a 5mp camera phone from samsung.
Frito37 said:
Ok, Well that didn't answer my question.
Any the camera isn't poor it works great, Its a bit crappy in low light but still it looks awesome and better then a 5mp camera phone from samsung.
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I actually have to agree with this as I've had the G600 and that camera SUCKED no matter what PhoneArena says. I noticed i would only use the G1 for pictures so i got rid of the 600
I took a picture of my eye and then shooped the hell outta it. (I added alot of the spots and wrinkles :X)
This is a resized/croped version, Hell you can see the g1 reflection in my eye.
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Its a nice camera!
Anyone? I still would like this answered
nice fake :-D
your question was answered in post 3 but ill repeat it for you.
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Unfortunatly the camera is very poor and nothing will fix it. Thats all there is too it.
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Ok you must not be able to read.
I'm not asking about quality of the camera.
Im asking if its at all possible to make video RECORDING better or higher res.
And what do you mean by nice fake?
If ur implying the pictures fake, Its not at all fake and was taken by my g1.
It depends alot on bandwidth of memory in the device. I dont know if it is possible right now to make a better/higer quality video recorder. If Google creates API's that take advantage of the full potential of the graphics chips we may get a better camcorder app.
I updated to hero and it seems to have a bit better video recording
but thats because of the codec it uses.
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your question was answered in post 3 but ill repeat it for you.
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Seriously, read the freaking thread before saying something stupid.
As for the question, I'm sure a developer could create a new app for higher resolution video recorder because it has been done on other devices. Try requesting it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446769
just2good4u3434 said:
Seriously, read the freaking thread before saying something stupid.
As for the question, I'm sure a developer could create a new app for higher resolution video recorder because it has been done on other devices. Try requesting it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446769
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Thanks.
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No, and the reason is:
A still camera has a longer exposure time and can dedicate more light overtime for each picture. A video has to a expose an image 30 times a second, so in order to expose properly the camera must take many pixels from the ccd and group them together as 1 pixel reducing image size for video. (I could be done by reducing FPS, but that will only go so far.)
And there is also issues with video format standards and the G1 ability to play back video to consider as well.
Heck, even my Canon 5D Mark II can only record video at 1/10th of the resolution it captures still images at. It does video at 1920x1080 or 2,073,600 pixels, whereas still images are captured at 5616x3744 or 21,026,304 pixels.
I think people expect far too much from a phone that has a camera that probably cost $15 to manufacture (the camera part - not the whole phone).
No I dont exspect it to do better i just wondering if it could.

Moto X 2014 - Camera Blur on right side only?

OK, I am using the new Moto X (full unlocked retail model XT1097 sold in Brazil) for one month now.
I am really happy with the phone, *except* the camera. I am creating this topic for one specific issue: in daylight photos, even if the focus is correct, sometimes 1/3 of the right side of the photo (considering a landscape position with power/volume buttons on top) is completely blurry, even if the rest of the photo is correctly on focus.
Initially I thought it could be a physical problem with the lens, but then I noticed in some photos this problem does not occur.
I did an specific test under controlled situation (same photo, lots of light, steady position) and I was able to reproduce the problem.
Below is the comparison of two photos took with the new Moto X at the almost exact moment, showing only the detail of the right side that is completely blurred in one of the photos. The rest of the photos is completely sharp. Below are the full resolution photos I used for this comparison.
Question: did I get a lemon, or this is a generalized problem with the new Moto X where we can get random photos blurred on one side only? Does anyone have any ideia if this would be a problem with the camera itself, or is it some sort of software problem that can be fixed by Motorola?
Thanks!
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Photo OK:
Photo with blurred right side:
BTW, I noticed this same problem in the arstechnica review. The new Moto X sample is on focus, but the right side is clearly blurred. This is evident when comparing the new Moto X sample with the iPhone 5s samples from arstechnica.com (see below, pay attention to how the fence and the road cone are blurred in the Moto X photo, while the rest of the photo is sharp).
So it seems in the end that my phone is not a lemon, and this seems to be a serious issue with the new Moto X camera...
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014...eration-the-moto-x-becomes-a-true-flagship/2/
Moto X 2014 blurred side compared with iPhone 5S:
Moto X 2014:
http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/1-X2.jpg
iPhone 5S:
http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/1-5S-e1410131833873.jpg
I gave a look at all my photos and didn't found this issue. Also from Brasil, also 1097 with unlocked bootloader.
danielgava said:
I gave a look at all my photos and didn't found this issue. Also from Brasil, also 1097 with unlocked bootloader.
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Thanks. This is a random issue, and it seems to happen only in daylight situations. Go figure...
Yea I get it also
ajbattaglia83 said:
Yea I get it also
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Thanks! I hope that by the time Motorola releases Android Lollipop to the Moto X 2014 this and other camera issues could be fixed. :good:
_dsouza_ said:
Thanks! I hope that by the time Motorola releases Android Lollipop to the Moto X 2014 this and other camera issues could be fixed. :good:
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If I were you I'd get a replacement, even though it may be a software issue I dont think its worth the gamble to see if Android L will fix it.
raze599 said:
If I were you I'd get a replacement, even though it may be a software issue I dont think its worth the gamble to see if Android L will fix it.
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Here in Brazil I have one week to request a replacement with the retailer (and I have the phone for more than 1 month now). After this period, I need to send it back to the manufacturer warranty support. And this might take time, so I will keep it (the issue is random, and when I need decent good photos, I have a real camera... ). :good:

Best Camera Mods For my Z3 COMPACT, and rom.. going travelling

hello, look abit and from what it looks like the slim rom someone made be best just stock but debloated, which is always good, but camera mods there seem to be alot of different ones, some more for advanced users, im not good with all the technical stuff when it come to photograpgy, i just point and shoot, I guess 4:3 ratio will be better for instagram and facebook uploading which is what id be using it for, so i guess the mod that allows 20mp in 4:3, is there any other mods or tips you suggest for me going travelling for 2 months around thailand and wanna get good snaps
You dont need mods for good shooting if the camera is already capable.
Though here is my tips:
-Dont use flash, turn it off.
-For dark environment, use highest iso that you have or just use night scene or high sensitivity modes.
-keep your hand steady if you dont want blurry shoot.
-use grid if you want to get good perspectives in the camera properties.
-I recommend post process the picture through an app called Pixlr Express if you want to get the best of your picture.
-Dont point at the sky in broad daylight if you want to shoot scenery and use HDR.
I guess the best thing you could do is combine the Z5 camera libs with the Z5 ported camera and image quality mods on top of that.
You should be able to find the first 2 in this forum section and the image quality mods are available from scripts like L-Speed
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I guess the best thing you could do is combine the Z5 camera libs with the Z5 ported camera and image quality mods on top of that.
You should be able to find the first 2 in this forum section and the image quality mods are available from scripts like L-Speed
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I see lot of mods and this stuff although dont see any feedback on whether people say there are an improvement or not, this is what im wording the best combination which does improve it,
Whelan189 said:
I see lot of mods and this stuff although dont see any feedback on whether people say there are an improvement or not, this is what im wording the best combination which does improve it,
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You make a good point, its very difficult for the average user to see a small improvement or worsening of image quality,
What we can do however is work with the assumption that Sony makes its software better with new releases, and that backporting those releases would give us those improvements, whatever they are. Newer is better is the motto here.
For point and click users like you and me the most important function is superior auto. I believe Sony does keep improving that so installing backported apps and libraries should result in better superior auto photo quality.
However for those who like to tinker with the settings you can make much better photos with a 3rd party app like CameraMX, without any further modding.
There is one mod though that never fails to please, and that is setting the quality of the jpg images to 100%, also any mod that would replace the jpeg encoder with a better one would be great but i don't think that exists.
We could try to do a more formal test but i cannot do it.
Here is a respected reviewer, all we need to do the same thing on a phone with either multirom or 2 nandroid images so each shot can be made with and without the mod.
http://connect.dpreview.com/post/7381192801/apple-iphone-6s-plus-camera-review?page=6
So i figured out how to test if camera mods improve, degrade or do nothing.
What you do is build a repeatable testing environment.
This means creating something like a macro studio, but with fixed positions for the phone so each time you take it out and put it back its in the same position.
Example: http://strobist.blogspot.nl/2006/07/how-to-diy-10-macro-photo-studio.html
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However instead of making macro's you make pictures of test images.
Example: http://vcc.zih.tu-dresden.de/index.php?linkid=1.2.32&lang=en
This seems to be a rather cheap option: http://www.simplefilter.de/en/analysis/digicam1.html
Here is another free option: http://www.graphics.cornell.edu/~westin/misc/res-chart.html
Best case would be to use a correctly calibrated proffesionally printed image.
So there seems to be automatic processing software, but even if you can't get your hands on that an easy test would simply be psnr test comparing the photo to the original image.
No need to go overboard, we're looking for differences between stock vs mods, so it doesnt need to be perfect you just need a stock baseline, and then see if a mod improves psnr or not compared to that baseline.

Photo quality

Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Lenovo P2 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
I wonder what sensor the phone is using. The EU version P2A42 is using the Sony IMX258. But the P2C72 (Chinese global version seems to be using the Sony Exmor RS)?
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I wonder what sensor the phone is using. The EU version P2A42 is using the Sony IMX258. But the P2C72 (Chinese global version seems to be using the Sony Exmor RS)?
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Do you have any reference for that info? I didn't see any hardware specs that confirm it.
https://www3.lenovo.com/in/en/smartphones/p-series/Vibe-Lenovo-P2/p/PPIPPIP2C72
it says only Sony camera, but not which one :-/
here http://www.livemint.com/Leisure/JGS...amera-proves-just-megapixels-dont-matter.html it says that it is Sony IMX258
Photos taken by P2 are awful. They have lots of noises even on the lowest ISO and they lack details. Camera is the biggest disadvantage of this smartfone. But I love it anyway because of battery and performance.
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Do you have any reference for that info? I didn't see any hardware specs that confirm it.
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Strange on kimovil there was other info. The chinese version had a Sony Exmor.
https://www.kimovil.com/en/compare/lenovo-vibe-p2,lenovo-vibe-p2-32gb
Now both are 1:1 the same.. Hmm. But yeah anyways my old phone had a better camera. I was kinda disappointed, and also the software is terrible. It's full of bugs, I will root this sucker soon.
The rear camera is imx258 and the front camera is a ov5695.
Light trail mode...
Stock camera...
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P2's low light camera performance can be noticeably improved!
If your P2 is rooted and you have enabled Camera2 Api, please try yourself a Snap Camera HDR app ( It's avaiable in a Play Store in both Trial and Pro version, you can also find pro version cracked, erm...let's say, in the Internet. )
I've found this guy's guide in the Redmi Note 4 thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-4/themes/google-camerawith-hdr-mido-t3656196/post74676264#post74676264. My phone is running the unofficial LOS 14.1 and...it really makes a diffrence.
Photos are being made for over a second and then about 10 seconds takes processing them (you can made another photo in the meantime).
All of these photos were made without any tripod, sometimes I sat down or leaned against the lamppost/wall but nothing really crazy(maybe 30 photos). Some photos are maybe a bit out of focus after close-up (EDIT: After seeing photos in the laptop I think that photos without "tap to focus" tend to be a bit sharper) and some of them are a little overexpossed after touch-to-focus (They don't after pressing the camera button without tapping to focus before), anyway you can play with a metering area setting(I wasn't), but...see it for yourself.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157690966808425/
The P2 didn't magically became the S8 or the flagship camera but in my opinion photos are acceptable now.
What do you think?
Chlastek said:
If your P2 is rooted and you have enabled Camera2 Api, please try yourself a Snap Camera HDR app ( It's avaiable in a Play Store in both Trial and Pro version, you can also find pro version cracked, erm...let's say, in the Internet. )
I've found this guy's guide in the Redmi Note 4 thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/re...-hdr-mido-t3656196/post74676264#post74676264. My phone is running the unofficial LOS 14.1 and...it really makes a diffrence.
Photos are being made for over a second and then about 10 seconds takes processing them (you can made another photo in the meantime).
All of these photos were made without any tripod, sometimes I sat down or leaned against the lamppost/wall but nothing really crazy(maybe 30 photos). Some photos are maybe a bit out of focus after close-up (EDIT: After seeing photos in the laptop I think that photos without "tap to focus" tend to be a bit sharper) and some of them are a little overexpossed after touch-to-focus (They don't after pressing the camera button without tapping to focus before), anyway you can play with a metering area setting(I wasn't), but...see it for yourself.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157690966808425/
The P2 didn't magically became the S8 or the flagship camera but in my opinion photos are acceptable now.
What do you think?
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Have you tried the Google camera hdr app?
Yes, I have. HDR+ doesn't work.

General Motorola's broken phones and their customer support

In order to raise public awareness I want to sum up the experience most of us had in the last two months with the Edge 30 Ultra and Motorola's customer support.
The Edge 30 Ultra / x30 Pro was advertised as Motorola's latest and greatest flagship phone with the first implementation of Samsungs Isocell HP1 200mp sensor. Prior to release it received a lot of good reviews by testers and YouTube and other platforms, none of them even mentioning the huge issues that would follow.
Timeline:​The first issues popped up in August 2022, with videos being shared that are completely out of focus:
In September 2022 "Geeky Stuff" shared his views on the broken focus for pictures on YouTube:
I shared the information about broken RAW implementation on 2022-09-03 on Motorola's official forums. This report received nothing but pre fabricated text block answers from Motorola:
- https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/motoro...sensor-calibration/m-p/5167572?page=1#5733752
On 2022-09-16 I opened another thread with the major issues summed up. This was the first public report of the broken autofocus. About a week prior to this post I also wrote a mail to the camera department of Motorola, which received no answer. Once again we receive nothing but pre fabricated text block answers from Motorola:
- https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/motoro...ge-30-Ultra-Camera/m-p/5169967?page=1#5744728
A lot of other threads followed by people who were also aware of the problem and on 2022-11-17 and admin finally answered to other threads. In summed up words: They can not guarantee a fix for the issues and will not release any kind of timeline for future updates:
- https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/motorola-edge-30-ultra/DEAR-MOTOROLA/m-p/5182852?page=1#5802351
The current state (2022-11-25):​- Motorola's camera app does not support recording in 4k on the tele and ultrawide lenses. They are both limited to 1080p 30fps.
- The focus on the main sensor is BROKEN for anything above 4k 30fps and pumping and unreliable below that. There are a lot of videos all over the web but you can take a quick look here:
-> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NDga76ru_YZ5ggLvFTNYjY0xdkOME0-O/view
- The focus for pictures is unreliable and has unexpected behavior. "Geeky Stuff"'s video from above documented this extensively.
- The EIS / OIS for the main sensor is not calibrated correctly. Slightly shaking the phone produces earthquake like results:
-> https://drive.google.com/file/d/14tC6d1Tvq1888-DRVN6m7Zhr47jzPd25/view?usp=sharing
- The RAW output of the main sensor is BROKEN. It produces muddy contrasty dark images that are not fixable in post:
-> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13QfvUkFy8GgQOFMC3-jJckTiehmFRFtP
- Instead of working on the camera and fixing the issues that turn this into a 200€ low budget phone Motorola decided to work against the modding community. It is not possible to change the carrier via fastboot command after a recent update anymore.
All these issues were pointed out to Motorola more than TWO MONTHS ago, and not fixed since then. Mind you - this is a 800-900€ flagship device.
I'm hoping to raise awareness with this writeup, maybe point some websites to it.
Great post! Being a Motorola owner for the first time in my life. Is it normal that in 3 months i receive 1 update and the phone its still bugged especially in the camera department? I mean its 3 months already. We talking months not days.
Also so very disappointed by the Edge 30 "Ultra".
Even my aged ZTE Axon 30 Ultra received the October security patch today.
This phone using the Snapdragon 888 SoC reports the following video capabilities to 3rd party apps (here what ProShot Evaluator sees, bottom, in German)
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More video options, and also in the still image section there is also HEIC.
And now what the Edge 30 Ultra reports
Video on the ZTE Axon 30 Ultra the Edge 30 Ultra is lacking:
Color profiles for video
Cinematic mode (simulating large aperture lens)
HDR video

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