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With slow updates from Samsung/Verizon combined with Samsung Pay that doesn't work with rooted devices, I'm contemplating whether it's worth it sticking with Samsung anymore. I originally thought Samsung Pay would be a game changer, but then it took months for it to be released and they have eliminated root users. The Nexus 6P seems to hit all the points for me without any restriction of root AND an unlockable bootloader. Yes Android Pay is not nearly as universal as Samsung's, but there's less bloat, immediate updates, etc etc. Reviews seem favorable.
As long as you are with Verizon, there's a good chance some of those benefits to be nullified. Hopefully 5.1.1 and 6.0 will be rootable. For now, I'm happy with a stable device that's great to look at and works well. Root would make it a true joy to use.
i truly just bought this phone 2 days ago and it is cool and has no lag like my note 5 had. i already preordered the new nexus so I will just see which phone is brighter. I hate a dim screen.
I've been thinking about it a lot. If I was able to upgrade now and had money to do so I would. They are basically making these phones iphones. There is no fun in that for me personally. Lock everything on a phone I paid a lot of money for is weak sauce.
If I had the cash I'd consider it, or possibly the 5x..
I did this and have zero regrets. I'd say sell the phone and pay the $150-200 difference (for me, that included Nexus Protect and the 64GB model).
MIKEYFTP said:
I've been thinking about it a lot. If I was able to upgrade now and had money to do so I would. They are basically making these phones iphones. There is no fun in that for me personally. Lock everything on a phone I paid a lot of money for is weak sauce.
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Exactly.
These companies have to know how many trans fats are in weaksauce, right?
wolferno said:
As long as you are with Verizon, there's a good chance some of those benefits to be nullified. Hopefully 5.1.1 and 6.0 will be rootable. For now, I'm happy with a stable device that's great to look at and works well. Root would make it a true joy to use.
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Dude...you do understand that having the Nexus on Verizon, just like any other carrier, means that Verizon holds ZERO power over the device (just the way it should be!), right? Updates and everything come straight from Google - OEM's and carriers are all cut out of the mix. Being on Verizon won't hurt any of the benefits of it being a Nexus. Great coverage, easy rooting/unlocking, great quality, instant updates and second to none support - I admittedly hate Samsung, but I can't wait for my 6p to arrive!
Same here, ordered a 64Gb Alum 6P, will compare to my existing S6 Edge and decide from there. My last Nexus was a Galaxy Nexus...probably the worst Nexus of all time IMO (also made by Samsung).
Android pay does not work with root either! I was all for AP until it foced me to have a lock screen and smartlock didnt work worth crap. Setup Samsung pay and no lock screen required, only needs figerprint to actually make a payment and must say its very nice to be able to use it just about anywhere. I had a G3 before the S6 and I really thing the S6 is the perfect size. If the 5x came in a 64gb I'd probably get it cause i'd rather have root then mobile payments but it doesnt so im sticking with the S6 edge and Samsung pay for now. 6p is just too big IMO...
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Dude...you do understand that having the Nexus on Verizon, just like any other carrier, means that Verizon holds ZERO power over the device (just the way it should be!), right? Updates and everything come straight from Google - OEM's and carriers are all cut out of the mix. Being on Verizon won't hurt any of the benefits of it being a Nexus. Great coverage, easy rooting/unlocking, great quality, instant updates and second to none support - I admittedly hate Samsung, but I can't wait for my 6p to arrive!
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Awesome. I was just speaking in general what Verizon does with all phones they carry. They cripple it, just like what they've done with the S6 Edge. I did not know just purchasing a nexus phone and dropping in a SIM would work. I stand corrected
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Awesome. I was just speaking in general what Verizon does with all phones they carry. They cripple it, just like what they've done with the S6 Edge. I did not know just purchasing a nexus phone and dropping in a SIM would work. I stand corrected
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I gotcha, couldn't agree more. While I'm waiting on my 6p, my brother already got his - we cut down the micro sim that his old G3 took turning it into a nano sim, and booted the 6p up and within 30 seconds everything was working great! Best part about it all? Not having to involve Verizon
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Android pay does not work with root either! I was all for AP until it foced me to have a lock screen and smartlock didnt work worth crap. Setup Samsung pay and no lock screen required, only needs figerprint to actually make a payment and must say its very nice to be able to use it just about anywhere. I had a G3 before the S6 and I really thing the S6 is the perfect size. If the 5x came in a 64gb I'd probably get it cause i'd rather have root then mobile payments but it doesnt so im sticking with the S6 edge and Samsung pay for now. 6p is just too big IMO...
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You just disable root in Superuser and Android pay works fine. I did this on my S6 Edge when I was rooted (before I flashed up to BOG9 and gave up root). There are other apps that can hide your root too, never tried those routes, but I've used them on previous devices to hide root from other apps.
Size is preference sure.
I haven't gotten my device yet but I don't see why the N6P wouldn't play nice with using your fingerprint to pay just like the S6. Having used Samsung pay on my device, I will admit it's amazing. But it's too bad I can't add my primary CC to it, rather I had to use my old BOA CC to pay with SP....and for me this all adds up to more hassles than it's worth. Who knows when the S6 will (if ever) get the update to 6.0. I'm still waiting for the promised additions of "advanced camera manual controls" and S6 Edge+ swipe in for starting apps see on the Note 5/S6E+. Either way, I'm going to try both and decide for myself.
Samsung needs to work on their customer/device support if they hope to maintain their growth in the marketplace. Apple does it right. Google does it right.
Android pay requires a secure lock screen, Samsung pay does not. The latter just needs a fingerprint to authorize the payment....
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I gotcha, couldn't agree more. While I'm waiting on my 6p, my brother already got his - we cut down the micro sim that his old G3 took turning it into a nano sim, and booted the 6p up and within 30 seconds everything was working great! Best part about it all? Not having to involve Verizon
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Nice! How's the sim card slot designed? I cut my micro sim a little too much so it wiggles in my S6 Edge sim card slot. It's not a problem with the Samsung sim card holder because the border that holds it goes horizontal top and bottom (and my card is cut perfectly vertically, but 1mm short widthwise. If the borders are placed left and right instead, I need a new sim if I were to get this phone...
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Nice! How's the sim card slot designed? I cut my micro sim a little too much so it wiggles in my S6 Edge sim card slot. It's not a problem with the Samsung sim card holder because the border that holds it goes horizontal top and bottom (and my card is cut perfectly vertically, but 1mm short widthwise. If the borders are placed left and right instead, I need a new sim if I were to get this phone...
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Good question....it's basically a "tray" that pops out of the phone, and there is a nano sim-sized "recessed" hole into which a nano sim card just drops in. Honestly I bought a ~$10 sim cutter as I'll be doing 3 of them and figured it was just much quicker and easier...but there is a "border" (or lip is what I'd call it) that runs all the way around the sim card. Does that make sense?
Edit: Here's a thread I found that seems to show things pretty well. There's a definite "lip" that runs around the entire perimeter of the sim
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Good question....it's basically a "tray" that pops out of the phone, and there is a nano sim-sized "recessed" hole into which a nano sim card just drops in. Honestly I bought a ~$10 sim cutter as I'll be doing 3 of them and figured it was just much quicker and easier...but there is a "border" (or lip is what I'd call it) that runs all the way around the sim card. Does that make sense?
Edit: Here's a thread I found that seems to show things pretty well. There's a definite "lip" that runs around the entire perimeter of the sim
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Thanks! :good:
Just more feedback. I got the 5x and i live it. It takes to to adjust to the camera, no ir, and mst but after awhile your fine. I still have my edge but love the 5x. Just waiting in development for it. Also battery life seems much better
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One thing I like about the samsung is image stabilization. Don't know why 6p didn't include that... I'm still amazed at the s6's video quality at 60fps.
Been using my 6P for only a day, but so far my initial impressions are:
-Holy butter, this thing is lightning quick! I don't care about benchmarks, yes my S6E benchmarks better but 6P rules
-Battery life is miles better than my S6E
-Rear camera is awesome, maybe slightly less than S6E in some conditions but also slightly better than S6E in other conditions (low light). Front cam on N6P wins out IMO
-Camera app isn't as good as Samsung's, google needs to update this....BUT 240fps slow mo is awesome
I'll miss Samsung pay and potential for Samsung to have improved Edge features into something usable. But I'll never miss another update and root/unlocked bootloader is so simple. Although so far I have no desire to root, nearly zero bloat and nearly everything uninstallable (minus Google books/movie/games that I dont use). If the S6E could've been unlocked, it could've been amazing on AOSP.
Note 9 has a lot of good things going for it . . . but a flagship?
Oreo instead of Pie?
No 5G?
Broadcom‘s new super accurate dual frequency GPS chip not part of the package? (Chip introduced almost a year ago and Xaomi’s already released the M8 with this chip)
Remember 2016? The Samsung A9 had a safe 5,000 mAh battery. Why can’t we put this in this note?
Feel free to add to this list of disappointments. Perhaps some of them will be fixed with the S 10?
Would a 5000mah battery in this years Note be a 'safe' marketing move? As a tech enthusiast I'd love to see it, however, I understand why they have played it safe, they need a couple of generations of solid performers without any hiccups before ramping back up. Imagine poor sales vs Note 7 repeat, they can't afford a repeat - I believe the Note would be a doomed product if it happened again.
The latest GPS chip: Samsung recently explained that a highly competitive high end market coupled with a difficulty in adding compelling new features led to poor sales of the S9 group. It's swings and roundabouts, on one hand you could throw everything into your latest and greatest devices, but next year?
Note 9 makes a safe and just about interesting enough entry, it gives Samsung breathing room for next years model. Even the presentation had mention of how difficult it is to come up with new features.
Note 10 - 4500/5000mah battery, 5G, New GPS chip + 1 or 2 more features, makes more sense for a '10' iteration than the '9'.
Technically the Note 8 can support the 1GB speeds. The Note 9 will as well.
https://phandroid.com/2017/09/08/att-gigabit-lte-galaxy-note-8/
5G is not a real tech yet, it's actually called 5G evolution which is a fast LTE which the Note supports.
https://www.computerworld.com/artic...ess/why-atts-5g-evolution-isnt-really-5g.html
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Technically the Note 8 can support the 1GB speeds. The Note 9 will as well.
https://phandroid.com/2017/09/08/att-gigabit-lte-galaxy-note-8/
5G is not a real tech yet, it's actually called 5G evolution which is a fast LTE which the Note supports.
https://www.computerworld.com/artic...ess/why-atts-5g-evolution-isnt-really-5g.html
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Personally I think the real challenge that Samsung Has is in the processor. Snapdragaon and Exynos have both seen decent improvments over the years but they don't hold a candle to what Apple has done with theirs. Not sure if they will ever win that battle, but I hope they can get closer.
I also believe that we are all going to be blown away by the S10 when it comes out. Samsung is putting ALL of the new HOT stuff they have been working on - INscreen Fingerprint scanner to name one - and I bet there will be bunch more!
I am getting the note 9, I just can't help myself - I am an addict when it comes to these devices - but I am really excited to see what is giong to happen when the S10 comes out.
You're getting too edgy with this. Pie was not relased during the development and 5g is still far away. Talking about the gps thing even my s7edge gets 4meter accuracy while driving what else do u need? An inch of accuracy!
The only things I wanted, and still hope come true . 1 )flat glass on the screen again, I mean it's a note right, easier to write on. 2) Alcantara case 3) dbrand grip case.
5g is way off, probably 2 generations before wide adoption. GPS has been great since Note 4 so not really seeing the need for that either.
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Would a 5000mah battery in this years Note be a 'safe' marketing move? As a tech enthusiast I'd love to see it, however, I understand why they have played it safe, they need a couple of generations of solid performers without any hiccups before ramping back up. Imagine poor sales vs Note 7 repeat, they can't afford a repeat - I believe the Note would be a doomed product if it happened again.
The latest GPS chip: Samsung recently explained that a highly competitive high end market coupled with a difficulty in adding compelling new features led to poor sales of the S9 group. It's swings and roundabouts, on one hand you could throw everything into your latest and greatest devices, but next year?
Note 9 makes a safe and just about interesting enough entry, it gives Samsung breathing room for next years model. Even the presentation had mention of how difficult it is to come up with new features.
Note 10 - 4500/5000mah battery, 5G, New GPS chip + 1 or 2 more features, makes more sense for a '10' iteration than the '9'.
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Very well said.
onepiece said:
Note 9 has a lot of good things going for it . . . but a flagship?
Oreo instead of Pie?
No 5G?
Broadcom‘s new super accurate dual frequency GPS chip not part of the package? (Chip introduced almost a year ago and Xaomi’s already released the M8 with this chip)
Remember 2016? The Samsung A9 had a safe 5,000 mAh battery. Why can’t we put this in this note?
Feel free to add to this list of disappointments. Perhaps some of them will be fixed with the S 10?
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Name one note that released with that years version of android.
Complaining about not being on the latest version of android (that was just released) while ignoring all the added samsung functionality is kind of a short sighted comparison..
Good Discussion
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Would a 5000mah battery in this years Note be a 'safe' marketing move? As a tech enthusiast I'd love to see it, however, I understand why they have played it safe, they need a couple of generations of solid performers without any hiccups before ramping back up. Imagine poor sales vs Note 7 repeat, they can't afford a repeat - I believe the Note would be a doomed product if it happened again.
The latest GPS chip: Samsung recently explained that a highly competitive high end market coupled with a difficulty in adding compelling new features led to poor sales of the S9 group. It's swings and roundabouts, on one hand you could throw everything into your latest and greatest devices, but next year?
Note 9 makes a safe and just about interesting enough entry, it gives Samsung breathing room for next years model. Even the presentation had mention of how difficult it is to come up with new features.
Note 10 - 4500/5000mah battery, 5G, New GPS chip + 1 or 2 more features, makes more sense for a '10' iteration than the '9'.
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Alltaken123,
I would definitely hire you as a customer service rep for Samsung! You have a plausible explanation for the concerns mentioned and your words are very well spoken. Thank you.
Couple of points to consider…
On the GPS chip: anybody who has walked the streets of Tokyo using any current smartphone GPS knows the frustration when you walk around the block three times because reflected GPS signals keep causing the blue dot to jump 100’s of meters when you think you are at your destination. It would be great to have the accuracy and reflected signal rejection Broadcom’s new chip promises.
On the “in glass fingerprint recognition“ that feature is dubious when a phone has facial recognition & a great back side fingerprint scanner... but it’s something new to hype.
And now my favorite… Larger batteries and the direction the industry has moved towards. Your explanation of Samsung being extremely cautious makes perfect sense and is a likely driver for their decision. That’s said, Samsung’s A9 realeased in 2016 with a 5,000 mah battery had no issues. Because it had a mid tier CPU it truly delivered 2 days of heavy use.
I probably should put this one in a separate thread but here’s the short version of what’s going on with battery capacities: phone makers match their battery mah capacity to approximately one day’s worth of power consumption. Why? Because when you charge your phone every day you’ll end up wearing the battery out within two years. In the “old days with replaceable batteries“ you could extend the life of your phone a few years by changing the battery. Now with sealed-in batteries you are virtually compelled to buy a new $800 electronic monitoring bracelet every two years. Pretty slick from a business perspective. Before someone jumps in and tells me you can’t have a water resistant phone with a removable battery, let me share my experience with phones in the Japanese domestic market. Japanese have had replaceable batteries in many of their water resistant cell phones since the 1990s. All it takes is a good o-ring and a decent latch. Today, however, Japan is “mostly” onboard with the lucrative (albeit wasteful) sealed-in battery scheme.
nuclearrage said:
The only things I wanted, and still hope come true . 1 )flat glass on the screen again, I mean it's a note right, easier to write on. 2) Alcantara case 3) dbrand grip case.
5g is way off, probably 2 generations before wide adoption. GPS has been great since Note 4 so not really seeing the need for that either.
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5g evolution is already in many cities like dfw. And the note 8 supports it. Full 5g won’t be here anytime in the next couple of years.
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nuclearrage said:
The only things I wanted, and still hope come true . 1 )flat glass on the screen again, I mean it's a note right, easier to write on. 2) Alcantara case 3) dbrand grip case.
5g is way off, probably 2 generations before wide adoption. GPS has been great since Note 4 so not really seeing the need for that either.
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+1 for the flat glass. I'm not buying any phone with the curved screen gimmick.
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+1 for the flat glass. I'm not buying any phone with the curved screen gimmick.
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Another +1 for USEABLE flat glass....and for recognizing the curve as an artsy gimmick. Narrow 2mm bezels are fine. After all the flesh of one’s hand covers anywhere from 2 to 4 mm of bezel/screen anyway.
Guess I'm the only person that actually likes the curved screen. Function over form is what I always go for.
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Guess I'm the only person that actually likes the curved screen. Function over form is what I always go for.
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Then why do you like the curved glass? It's absolutely not function over form...
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+1 for the flat glass. I'm not buying any phone with the curved screen gimmick.
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I feel exactly the opposite. The curve makes edge swipe gestures far more useful, and I have come to rely on them significantly.
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Guess I'm the only person that actually likes the curved screen.
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Not alone! To be honest I just like the way the curved glass looks... I always found it gave the phone a more premium feel. Given the choice I would still take curved over flat edges, even though I don't even use the Edge features. Purely an aesthetic preference for me, but others of course may have different tastes and requirements.
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Guess I'm the only person that actually likes the curved screen. Function over form is what I always go for.
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Sometimes the screen protector situation bothers me but Im all for curved glass. Looks sexy
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Then why do you like the curved glass? It's absolutely not function over form...
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I like the curved glass screen because of edge display and the edge features. Yes it can be a but annoying with accidental touches but the trade off is worth it for me.
As far as the screen protector issue, that has nothing to do with Samsung. All those screen protector makers are being cheap and stupid. They make full coverage ones with only adhesive on the sides, and they also make case friendly ones with full adhesive. Why the heck can they not make a full coverage one with full adhesive?! Seems very stupid to me that they are having such a hard time making a dang protector that handles both things.
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+1 for the flat glass. I'm not buying any phone with the curved screen gimmick.
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onepiece said:
Another +1 for USEABLE flat glass....and for recognizing the curve as an artsy gimmick. Narrow 2mm bezels are fine. After all the flesh of one’s hand covers anywhere from 2 to 4 mm of bezel/screen anyway.
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It's only a gimmick if you don't find a use for it. I can think of a lot of people that classifies the SPen as a gimmick. I use the heck out of mine, at least I thought I did until I met a guy that has to replace the tip of his SPen every month! He hooked me up with 3 bags of tips a few months ago after I got my Note 8. I haven't even replaced the tip yet for my original one.
I come to rely Alot on the apps edge since I started using the s7 edge. It helps me switch apps much faster than using the recent button. Well we can have apps That do the same thing but the curve makes it very smooth and natural to use
onepiece said:
Note 9 has a lot of good things going for it . . . but a flagship?
Oreo instead of Pie?
No 5G?
Broadcom‘s new super accurate dual frequency GPS chip not part of the package? (Chip introduced almost a year ago and Xaomi’s already released the M8 with this chip)
Remember 2016? The Samsung A9 had a safe 5,000 mAh battery. Why can’t we put this in this note?
Feel free to add to this list of disappointments. Perhaps some of them will be fixed with the S 10?
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Excited for the Note 9. Pre-ordered the 512gb already.
What does Android P have that Samsung's Oreo does not have more of?
What's the point of hurriedly introducing 5G when the tech is not yet mature. That would make the Note 9 a beta phone which I'm glad it's not.
I agree with the missing GPS chip.
I also agree with a 5kmAh battery
Overall I'm very happy with the Note 9 and consider it a big upgrade over the Note 8.
Every year there is the debate of whether to upgrade or not. On the positives, you'll get a bigger screen, faster processor, 4-6 GB more RAM, more camera options, slightly bigger battery and sleeker design. However, you'd be giving up the headphone jack, have to deal with the punch hole camera, and potentially having more accidental screen presses with the all screen design.
Given the aggressive discounts, it still might be worth it for some. Will you be upgrading?
Absolutely getting it. I'll be paying for a device anyway, may as well be the latest
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absolutely freaking not. its too gimmicky for me
Yea, preordered it. 600 in trade 250 in Samsung dollars plus cashed in rewards. Looking at 260 shipped to my door. I can easily sell it for more than my note 9 unlocked.
Ordered 10+ 512 black unlocked.
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To many features of the 9 were dropped like the heart rate sensor that I use daily so for me the 10+ would be a major downgrade from my note9 512gb.
Plus the hole punch would drive me nuts.
No. It's literally a S10+ with a stylus and removed a feature. The headphone jack.
If there was a trade-in option like in the USA then I would consider, but in Sweden there are no good incentives and it's quite expensive for such a small upgrade. Maybe later if they will have some good deals for Blackfriday or christmas.
The hole in the screen is a deal breaker for me. I'm keeping my Note 9.
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The hole in the screen is a deal breaker for me. I'm keeping my Note 9.
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The same by me,keep the Note 9,maybe there are good customroms in the future,but not before update to Android 10.......at the moment i dont see a reason to change anything;the Note 9 is running nearly perfect....love it!
Yes! But for the first time I'll lose features, in order of personal importance: force touch button, headphone jack, hearth rate sensor.
Let's just call the Note 10 "Note10e".
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Yes! But for the first time I'll lose features, in order of personal importance: force touch button, headphone jack, hearth rate sensor.
Let's just call the Note 10 "Note10e".
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Most does not mention it nor care, but the iris scanner is also no more.
Not enough for me to upgrade, the freaking punch hole and the lack of a headphone jack and the heart rate sensor I used to upgrade my devices almost every year or year and a half, smartphones tech has evolved so much that I can't really see the need to upgrade so often..
Today, I had a chance to check out the Note 10 and Plus models at Best Buy. After checking it out for about 15 minutes, it felt like a purely cosmetic upgrade. Yes, it looks more sleek than the Note 9, especially in the Aura Blue color, but the reality is it ends up in a case anyways which adds bulk to the bezels. The hole punch was nearly invisible using night mode. The power button on the left is where one's index finger rests, so that change likely won't be an issue. Once the wow factor of the huge screen wore off, you realize that Samsung is basically using the same formula as the Note 9 and S10 series. Sure, it's a bit faster with the SD 855, EFS 3.0, and 12 GB RAM, but do they make a real world difference? Not really. I have a OnePlus 7 Pro as well, and the 90 Hz display combined with smoother software experience give the Note 10+ serious competition.
With 5G so sparsely available and carriers still figuring out what bands to use, I'd say the 5G model is premature. Even when 5G gains steam in 2020/2021, it's likely that the X50 modem will pale in comparison to the performance and versatility of upcoming 5G modems. As for the smaller Note 10, I can see it being popular with those coming from an S7 or S8. It is very comfortable to hold and offers good specs, though it will need to come down in price to compete with the S10/S10+.
The best summary of the situation mentioned is that the Note 9 was a phone that offered everything with no compromises. The Note 10+ offers extreme specs and gimmicky features, but gives up basics that Note 8 and Note 9 users appreciated. It is a very good looking phone with great performance, but not worth paying such a hefty price after one year with the expensive Note 9. Don't be shocked if this is deeply discounted for the holidays.
No headphone jack for a $100 more and not even a damn dongle or a 45 w charger in the box. Never paying more for less. Samsung is going the direction of apple's after mocking them for years for the same things they're doing right now. They've even removed their mocking videos from everywhere. Now, even the price is the same. Claiming that they removed the headphone jack to have space for the spen and a bigger battery. Turned out the bigger battery is only 300 mAh extra and the pen is the same size as ever. Asus managed to put a 5000 mAh battery in a phone WITH a headphone jack and two USB-C ports. Samsung is starting to cut corners to save some money on production and make more of it on sales since the phone market is basically saturated. They're freaking out because they're not selling as many phones as they used to. If they keep going on this direction, this note 9 will be the last phone I get from them even though this has been my decision even before the note 10, but now I won't even consider them.
Well for those that can afford to pay full price for a device then trade said device in I'm sure getting the 10 is a good deal. It would end up costing what a decent mid range device cost. But for most of us we are on contract..lol. For me I could care less about on screen finger print. Some will say well I don't have to pick up phone to unlock it now. Have we become so lazy that picking up your phone is that hard. For me and this is just me, I don't think the 10 is much of an upgrade. Yeah I have 2 upgrades just sitting and waiting to be used at At&t but I don't think I will waste them on the 10 when the 9 is great..sucky camera but still a power house. Don't care about the gimmicky pen gestures I'm not a blogger and most average user will not use it. I'm a simple man will never have to convert my off screen notes to word documents, what I have to say isn't that important [emoji1787]. But to each person it may be seen different. But for me it's not an upgrade. The 10 to me is a midrange device, the 10 plus is beautiful but it's just not enough to justify the price.
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Lol...I don't know maybe.
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Probably going back to a pixel phone... Tired of waiting for security updates and main updates....
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Lol...I don't know maybe.
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You WILL buy both the note 10 and the plus and that's a promise. You have every note that's ever existed, Butchie. [emoji23]
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Lol...I don't know maybe.
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I will see you in the Note 10 Forums lol.
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Nop, first cuz updates....J7 pro 2017 have lastes OneUI 1.1 and we dont? Wtf sammy?
Waiting for next huawei and than i go
I got my U1 S21 Ultra the other day and I'm put off about a few things. I'm thinking of going to the Note 20 Ultra instead of this. I'm mainly wondering if the camera in the Note is any good compared to this one. I know the zoom isn't as good but that's no big deal to me. I also have a S20+ here that I really like so any opinions in the camera department on that vs the Note would be helpful too on me making a solid decision.
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I got my U1 S21 Ultra the other day and I'm put off about a few things. I'm thinking of going to the Note 20 Ultra instead of this. I'm mainly wondering if the camera in the Note is any good compared to this one. I know the zoom isn't as good but that's no big deal to me. I also have a S20+ here that I really like so any opinions in the camera department on that vs the Note would be helpful too on me making a solid decision.
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Just outta curiosity what are you put off by if you don't mind me asking. Trading my Note 20 Ultra for the S21 Ultra
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I got my U1 S21 Ultra the other day and I'm put off about a few things. I'm thinking of going to the Note 20 Ultra instead of this. I'm mainly wondering if the camera in the Note is any good compared to this one. I know the zoom isn't as good but that's no big deal to me. I also have a S20+ here that I really like so any opinions in the camera department on that vs the Note would be helpful too on me making a solid decision.
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I have both phones in front of me right now. The Note 20 Ultra camera is great. So much so that one of my new things I've started doing is getting canvases made out of pictures I've taken (with the Note 20 Ultra) when I've gone on trips. Comparatively speaking, they are very similar in camera quality, with the S21 Ultra doing better video. Also, an photos using zoom (even shorter zoom) produces better pictures on the S21 Ultra (probably because of the 3x lens). I'm not impressed with the battery life on the Note 20 Ultra though, and I have to say I am seeing a distinct difference in battery life, with the 21 Ultra being a clear improvement over my Note 20 Ultra.
Out of curiousity, what were the things you didn't like about the S21 Ultra? I ask because the experience on the S21 Ultra is not very different than on the Note 21 Ultra, except it is slightly more refined.
My dislikes on the 21 are no SD, no bootloader unlock and no screen protector. I feel they cheeped out too much on the extras. Plus the usb cord they included was bad. I knew about the no SD from the start but it's more inconvenient than I anticipated with over 7000 pics alone to transfer.
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My dislikes on the 21 are no SD, no bootloader unlock and no screen protector. I feel they cheeped out too much on the extras. Plus the usb cord they included was bad. I knew about the no SD from the start but it's more inconvenient than I anticipated with over 7000 pics alone to transfer.
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I didn't really find it all that inconvenient to transfer. I had close to 20,000 files to move, which totaled over 200gb. I just used smart switch to move everything from my old phone (on the onboard storage and the sd card), and that was it. It took about an hour to move everything, but it was effortless.
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I didn't really find it all that inconvenient to transfer. I had close to 20,000 files to move, which totaled over 200gb. I just used smart switch to move everything from my old phone (on the onboard storage and the sd card), and that was it. It took about an hour to move everything, but it was effortless.
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I'm not sure what the problem was here last night but it took over an hour to transfer 80gb. It started out transferring fast but went to a crawl after a while. I also would like to have it rooted like my s20 is so I think it's going to be the Note for me. I am happy to hear the cameras are pretty much the same besides the zoom and video.
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I'm not sure what the problem was here last night but it took over an hour to transfer 80gb. It started out transferring fast but went to a crawl after a while. I also would like to have it rooted like my s21 is so I think it's going to be the Note for me. I am happy to hear the cameras are pretty much the same besides the zoom and video.
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It may have been the type of cable you were using. I made sure to use a cable that I bought back when I bought my 45W chargers. The data speeds of those cables make a big difference in data transfer speeds when it comes to large file sizes.
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It may have been the type of cable you were using. I made sure to use a cable that I bought back when I bought my 45W chargers. The data speeds of those cables make a big difference in data transfer speeds when it comes to large file sizes.
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That's probably my problem. I use the crappy cables that come with the stock chargers. I'll have to invest in some better ones.
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That's probably my problem. I use the crappy cables that come with the stock chargers. I'll have to invest in some better ones.
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Yeah I haven't even taken the stock cable out of the box lol. Make sure if you order one, that you get one that is USB Type C 3.1 Gen 2, compatible with power delivery, and should have data speeds of 10Gbps. They make a BIG difference.
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My dislikes on the 21 are no SD, no bootloader unlock and no screen protector. I feel they cheeped out too much on the extras. Plus the usb cord they included was bad. I knew about the no SD from the start but it's more inconvenient than I anticipated with over 7000 pics alone to transfer.
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I had the Note Ultra and traded it in for the S21 - no regrets here, for me the S21 Ultra is an awesome phone.
Depending on where you are getting your phone, if you plan on getting the Note SNapdragon version in the US - you won't be able to root that either. Bootloader is locked. There is a guy who figured out a way to unlock it - but he charges a little over a Hundred Bucks if you want him to unlock it for you. (I bet he could also help you unlock the Bootloader of the S21 - but I am not sure about that. You can ask him by finding his thread on XDA in the Discussion and News Threads for the Note 20 Ultra on XDA. Good Luck.
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My dislikes on the 21 are no SD, no bootloader unlock and no screen protector. I feel they cheeped out too much on the extras. Plus the usb cord they included was bad. I knew about the no SD from the start but it's more inconvenient than I anticipated with over 7000 pics alone to transfer.
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Fast and easy solution: USB-C > SDCard adapter.
I transferred 400GB straight to the phone in under 2 hours.
Only problem is that 512GB isn't really enough... waiting for the 1TB S22 Ultra
honestly, smart switch is only good for non media transfer....if you going to transfer from phone to phone....it is better to do this transferring to PC/laptop then to the new phone
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s21 ultra is way more responsive than my N20U. No regrets. Both exynos
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My dislikes on the 21 are no SD, no bootloader unlock and no screen protector. I feel they cheeped out too much on the extras. Plus the usb cord they included was bad. I knew about the no SD from the start but it's more inconvenient than I anticipated with over 7000 pics alone to transfer.
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No SD card is a no sale for me. I use it as a data drive and not having to transfer 341 gb of files saves a lot of time during a reload. The ability also means I can reload and restore anywhere with no PC. Saves wear and tear on the internal memory as well.
So far between Samsung's decisions and Android 10/11 I find no great reasons to justify upgrading from my 10+.
I do like the faster, more efficient memory and ram but scope storage nullifies some of those gains.
5G still isn't justified for most users and if it's a 2 chipset solution it wastes power. 5G has yet to live up to it's claim of blazing speed outside limited areas.
Still no AptX-HD hardware support when it should have been on the 10+ bt chipset.
Maybe in a year or two from now if Samsung, Android, Qualcomm, and the carriers get their acts together... that's a lot of if's
The desirable older Notes continue to command high prices; a telling sign.
Everyone is going to have a different opinion. As it's very subjective. For me, most of my files and photos are on my nas/cloud. I switched from SD card as I had SD card malfunction before. The only thing I transfer from phone to phone is music and apps backup such as contacts and mms.....
I have really sensitive ears and also an audiophile so for me I only use Bluetooth only if necessary as I can always near the hissing. So I have an actual high resolution audio player. But that's a me thing.
I am sure there are thousands of different setup and opinions out there.
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I had the Note Ultra and traded it in for the S21 - no regrets here, for me the S21 Ultra is an awesome phone.
Depending on where you are getting your phone, if you plan on getting the Note SNapdragon version in the US - you won't be able to root that either. Bootloader is locked. There is a guy who figured out a way to unlock it - but he charges a little over a Hundred Bucks if you want him to unlock it for you. (I bet he could also help you unlock the Bootloader of the S21 - but I am not sure about that. You can ask him by finding his thread on XDA in the Discussion and News Threads for the Note 20 Ultra on XDA. Good Luck.
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I do agree the S21 is a very nice phone. There is no denying that.
Yes, I know about the BL unlock process. I had my S20+ unlocked back in Serptember. Root is nice but not so much of a deal breaker for me. I'm still on the fence on what one to go to.
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5G has yet to live up to it's claim of blazing speed outside limited areas.
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It depends on where you live and what carrier you're on, but I'm on T-mobile in the US. They use 600Mhz for much of their 5g, and it helps with reception in some buildings I previously had issues in. Reliable coverage is a more important benefit to me than raw speed, especially when the pandemic is over and I'm out in crowds again.
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Fast and easy solution: USB-C > SDCard adapter.
I transferred 400GB straight to the phone in under 2 hours.
Only problem is that 512GB isn't really enough... waiting for the 1TB S22 Ultra
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Yes, but with a SD card you can transfer in less than one minute. I like to reset my phone when new updates come out.
I currently have and use a Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra. I love the phone but it feel it's time to upgrade and I'll add this S20 to my pile of phones to play with. So far I like the S21 Ultra better because of the build quality over the S20 Ultra. I like the metal around the camera lens over the glass of the S20 Ultra. I also like the bigger fingerprint scanner behind the screen. Mine bugs out occasionally and can be irritating. The screen is phenomenal on the S20 Ultra and even better on the S21 Ultra. So should I upgrade or wait for an S22 Ultra? Or should I branch away from Samsung? I was a long time HTC user and switched fully to Samsung back at the release of the Galaxy Note 5. I've used and played with many Nexus, Motorola, OnePlus, LG and other phones and I'm stuck on Samsung. Hell I even went back to an iPhone XS Max because my family all has them, and let me tell you, that didn't last long. So I'm just wanting your guys opinions, worth the upgrade now? Wait? Branch away?
Not sure I'd upgrade but my upgrade span is normally two years. But the facts are that the camera is far better, the chipset is far better (regardless of region), it has S-pen support, the screen is better and it looks better.
If you think that's worth the price then go for it.
Check the video below for a more in depth comparison.
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Not sure I'd upgrade but my upgrade span is normally two years. But the facts are that the camera is far better, the chipset is far better (regardless of region), it has S-pen support, the screen is better and it looks better.
If you think that's worth the price then go for it.
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I do agree that it's a better handset all around. I love my S20, but I hate it at the same time with all of its quirks. I guess I haven't looked yet, but I'm sure they are planning the S22 very soon, and it might be worth me waiting for that. I've just had small minuscule issues with my S20 Ultra, like currently waiting on my replacement since my screen quit entirely as well as all the rear camera sensors. I'm using my spare Galaxy A20 that was brand new in the box until my new S20 Ultra gets here. This A20 is super disappointing in terms of performance so I'm trying to not use it as much as I dont have to.
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I currently have and use a Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra. I love the phone but it feel it's time to upgrade and I'll add this S20 to my pile of phones to play with. So far I like the S21 Ultra better because of the build quality over the S20 Ultra. I like the metal around the camera lens over the glass of the S20 Ultra. I also like the bigger fingerprint scanner behind the screen. Mine bugs out occasionally and can be irritating. The screen is phenomenal on the S20 Ultra and even better on the S21 Ultra. So should I upgrade or wait for an S22 Ultra? Or should I branch away from Samsung? I was a long time HTC user and switched fully to Samsung back at the release of the Galaxy Note 5. I've used and played with many Nexus, Motorola, OnePlus, LG and other phones and I'm stuck on Samsung. Hell I even went back to an iPhone XS Max because my family all has them, and let me tell you, that didn't last long. So I'm just wanting your guys opinions, worth the upgrade now? Wait? Branch away?
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It's not going to be a night and day differnce. Cameras are definitely better and focus issues are fixed. Screen is only a minor upgrade in terms of quality - unless you want to leverage the new processor to run it a WQHD+ at adaptive refresh rate. Even that is barely discernible against the FHD+ with VRR. At least to my eyes.
Is it worth it monetarily? No. It doesn't make any financial sense dropping that kind of money every year on a handset. THe S21U is definitely better than the S20U, but not $1000 better
Is it worth it as a shiny new toy for playing around (provided money isn't that big a concern for you)? Hell, yeah.
Depends how you define "worth" and what your yearly budget is for gadgets.
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It's not going to be a night and day differnce. Cameras are definitely better and focus issues are fixed. Screen is only a minor upgrade in terms of quality - unless you want to leverage the new processor to run it a WQHD+ at adaptive refresh rate. Even that is barely discernible against the FHD+ with VRR. At least to my eyes.
Is it worth it monetarily? No. It doesn't make any financial sense dropping that kind of money every year on a handset. THe S21U is definitely better than the S20U, but not $1000 better
Is it worth it as a shiny new toy for playing around (provided money isn't that big a concern for you)? Hell, yeah.
Depends how you define "worth" and what your yearly budget is for gadgets.
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Personally I don't feel its worth dropping $1,000 every year, maybe every 2, sometimes 3 years. I actually paid $1,500 for my S20 Ultra right when it came out. I've just only started to get bored of it or irritated with little issues. But really, I think I'll wait it through and get the next Galaxy that jumps out ahead of competition in relation to specs. They usually wait to see what Apple will do, and try and get a couple steps ahead of them, not just 1 or the same. Sadly enough, Apple is competing side by side now with their new chips and they aren't doing too bad. I'm kind of wanting to try the 12 Pro Max but that would go against my religion.
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Personally I don't feel its worth dropping $1,000 every year, maybe every 2, sometimes 3 years. I actually paid $1,500 for my S20 Ultra right when it came out. I've just only started to get bored of it or irritated with little issues. But really, I think I'll wait it through and get the next Galaxy that jumps out ahead of competition in relation to specs. They usually wait to see what Apple will do, and try and get a couple steps ahead of them, not just 1 or the same. Sadly enough, Apple is competing side by side now with their new chips and they aren't doing too bad. I'm kind of wanting to try the 12 Pro Max but that would go against my religion.
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I think it's a sensible decision to wait for the next galaxy, especially since you have a "relatively" recent device already. Who knows, you may fall for the Z Fold 3 ?
Don't wait for Samsung to copy Apple too much though.... next thing you know, they'll stop including the phone in the box
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I think it's a sensible decision to wait for the next galaxy, especially since you have a "relatively" recent device already. Who knows, you may fall for the Z Fold 3 ?
Don't wait for Samsung to copy Apple too much though.... next thing you know, they'll stop including the phone in the box
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I very well could fall for the Z Fold 3, but who knows, I really am not sure I like the folding or flipping phones. I tried that a few times, even sliders, and they just weren't for me. I had every generation of Motorola Droid with the slider since first introduced, actually still have them lol, but the slider I wasn't a fan of. I had a Palm Pre Plus, and I had a Kyocera Echo. Cool concept and way ahead of it's time in 2013/2014, but was glitchy and cheap. I like a solid build. Probably the only flipping or sliding I liked was the original Motorola Razr V3m/or VE20. The Palm slider was nice though.
And you're not wrong on the Apple part . Thanks for the laugh. I think in terms of new phones, Samsung has had the cat in the bag for a long time.
IMHO the decision to upgrade or not comes down to value. By the time the S22 is released the S21 will be a better value and from rumors online it doesn't look as though the S22 Ultra (or whatever it's labeled) will have enough improvements to justify the additional cost. I'm thinking Samsung released the S21 Ultra earlier than previous devices because the S20 Ultra had some issues and it didn't generate sales volume they anticipated. As far as the Fold goes I see only one advantage, it can fold for a larger display. When one compares features with the S21 Ultra it's nowhere near the value especially if the focus is on features. I kinda feel sorry for users who dropped a bundle of money for the S20 Ultra, it's a bit of a tweener who's features were eclipsed in a significant way by the S21 Ultra.
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IMHO the decision to upgrade or not comes down to value. By the time the S22 is released the S21 will be a better value and from rumors online it doesn't look as though the S22 Ultra (or whatever it's labeled) will have enough improvements to justify the additional cost. I'm thinking Samsung released the S21 Ultra earlier than previous devices because the S20 Ultra had some issues and it didn't generate sales volume they anticipated. As far as the Fold goes I see only one advantage, it can fold. When one compares features with the S21 Ultra it's nowhere near the value especially if the focus is on features. I kinda feel sorry for users who dropped a bundle of money for the S20 Ultra, it's a bit of a tweener who's features were eclipsed in a significant way by the S21 Ultra.
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I couldn't agree more. Now the S20 Ultra is a significantly better phone than the iPhone XS Max I used shortly before it, and the Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge I was using before the iPhone. I had the Galaxy S8+ before going back to the S7 Edge, but that phone the first day I got it, it was dropped not even 3 feet onto a carpeted floor and cracked the screen. I immediately sent in for a replacement and not even 6 months of using it, it died. So I dug the trusty S7 Edge out of my drawer and put it back to use.
I did overspend on the S20 Ultra sitting back and looking at it now because I wanted the newest greatest phone and I was eligible for the upgrade, so I just did it. It's little issues with the fingerprint scanner are definitely annoying and the camera was good, but not what I thought it was shook up to be. I also have issues randomly dropping service, even in full bar areas. It games nicely, and the specs are great. I hate that I spent the money I did to get the lower RAM/storage version. But they didnt have a 256 or 512gb in stock. Next one I get will definitely be a 512gb with the highest RAM option. Granted this phone has never slowed down with a bunch of apps, I just ran out of 128gb faster than I thought I would.
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I couldn't agree more. Now the S20 Ultra is a significantly better phone than the iPhone XS Max I used shortly before it, and the Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge I was using before the iPhone. I had the Galaxy S8+ before going back to the S7 Edge, but that phone the first day I got it, it was dropped not even 3 feet onto a carpeted floor and cracked the screen. I immediately sent in for a replacement and not even 6 months of using it, it died. So I dug the trusty S7 Edge out of my drawer and put it back to use.
I did overspend on the S20 Ultra sitting back and looking at it now because I wanted the newest greatest phone and I was eligible for the upgrade, so I just did it. It's little issues with the fingerprint scanner are definitely annoying and the camera was good, but not what I thought it was shook up to be. I also have issues randomly dropping service, even in full bar areas. It games nicely, and the specs are great. I hate that I spent the money I did to get the lower RAM/storage version. But they didnt have a 256 or 512gb in stock. Next one I get will definitely be a 512gb with the highest RAM option. Granted this phone has never slowed down with a bunch of apps, I just ran out of 128gb faster than I thought I would.
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Agreed, with no MicroSD available some users like myself understand the 256GB (about 200GB after system use is deducted) isn't enough. Lots of users are comfortable with this available internal storage for their purposes and utilize external storage devices to compensate but I'm not one of them. I have zero faith in Cloud Storage for privacy and security concerns.
Since you're in the US, if you decide on acquiring a 512GB device the Branded Service Provider's have no 512GB units available, not sure if some of them ever did offer it. Then that leaves you with a couple of options, the Snapdragon or Exynos Global variants. Given a choice I prefer the Snapdragon 888 SoC.
I opted for the Hong Kong (CSC - TGY) 512GB device. In addition to the largest internal storage it offers no carrier bloatware, dual sim's, unlocked bootloader and faster OTA's. There are some downsides as well. It's more expensive since there's no trade-in promotion, so you'd need to sell the S20 Ultra private party if you don't want to add it to your other older units. There is a 1 year warranty but that requires it be shipped back to the original retailer. That didn't bother me since I've never had repair issues with any of my previous Galaxy devices. Lastly, certain Branded Carrier Call Features like 5G and Carrier Aggregation may not work. My device does enable 4G LTE, WI-FI Calling which are sufficient for my usage. My S9+, S10 Plus were Hong Kong variants as well and I had no issues other than what I've already shared.
A Carrier Branded device may be the best value for you based on overall costs but the internal storage constraints killed it for me, 200GB just doesn't cut it. With my S10 Plus it made sense to buy the 128GB variant at a lower price and drop in the MicroSD, problem solved! If the S21 Ultra had external memory I would have done the same workaround and saved about $400 USD. I like the S21 Ultra alot, it's the best device available IMHO, if it had MicroSD I'd LOVE IT!
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Agreed, with no MicroSD available some users like myself understand the 256GB (about 200GB after system use is deducted) isn't enough. Lots of users are comfortable with this available internal storage for their purposes and utilize external storage devices to compensate but I'm not one of them. I have zero faith in Cloud Storage for privacy and security concerns.
Since you're in the US, if you decide on acquiring a 512GB device the Branded Service Provider's have no 512GB units available, not sure if some of them ever did offer it. Then that leaves you with a couple of options, the Snapdragon or Exynos Global variants. Given a choice I prefer the Snapdragon 888 SoC.
I opted for the Hong Kong (CSC - TGY) 512GB device. In addition to the largest internal storage it offers no carrier bloatware, dual sim's, unlocked bootloader and faster OTA's. There are some downsides as well. It's more expensive since there's no trade-in promotion, so you'd need to sell the S20 Ultra private party if you don't want to add it to your other older units. There is a 1 year warranty but that requires it be shipped back to the original retailer. That didn't bother me since I've never had repair issues with any of my previous Galaxy devices. Lastly, certain Branded Carrier Call Features like 5G and Carrier Aggregation may not work. My device does enable 4G LTE, WI-FI Calling which are sufficient for my usage. My S9+, S10 Plus were Hong Kong variants as well and I had no issues other than what I've already shared.
A Carrier Branded device may be the best value for you based on overall costs but the internal storage constraints killed it for me, 200GB just doesn't cut it. With my S10 Plus it made sense to buy the 128GB variant at a lower price and drop in the MicroSD, problem solved! If the S21 Ultra had external memory I would have done the same workaround and saved about $400 USD. I like the S21 Ultra alot, it's the best device available IMHO, if it had MicroSD I'd LOVE IT!
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Oh my, I didn't even pay attention to them not including a MicroSD. They did that in the S8 but only the S8, and that's not okay with me. I have a 512gb SD I transfer from phone to phone for photos and file management. That's not going to cut it for me relying strictly on internal storage. Although I seen they make a type C to micro SD adapter that's inexpensive and works well, so I guess if I do upgrade I could do that. But, idk, I'm liking the Note 20 Ultra right now as well.
You should want an SD card.
Samsung's are the most customizable stock Androids on the planet... if you haven't noticed.
The only thing I would consider at this time personally is the Note 20 U or another Note 10+ 512gb Snapdragon variant. I'll wait another year to see if Samsung and Android can get recover from their high G flat spin.
Otherwise I'll default to my former choices. My preferred OS is still Pie and the 10+ is a solid, fast, stable performer. Decisions, decisions...
Samsung's offerings this year so far are weak. Android 11 is looking like another Vista.
That's 2 strikes and the 3rd strike be making the mistake of buying it
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You should want an SD card.
Samsung's are the most customizable stock Androids on the planet... if you haven't noticed.
The only thing I would consider at this time personally is the Note 20 U or another Note 10+ 512gb Snapdragon variant. I'll wait another year to see if Samsung and Android can get recover from their high G flat spin.
Otherwise I'll default to my former choices. My preferred OS is still Pie and the 10+ is a solid, fast, stable performer. Decisions, decisions...
Samsung's offerings this year so far are weak. Android 11 is looking like another Vista.
That's 2 strikes and the 3rd strike be making the mistake of buying it
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I haven't had any issues with Android 11 as of yet, there just wasn't much added. Having no SD Card is a downside for me. I do love how customizable Samsungs are right out of the box. I'll probably get a Note 20 Ultra because why not. I'd get the largest variant available to me.
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I haven't had any issues with Android 11 as of yet, there just wasn't much added. Having no SD Card is a downside for me. I do love how customizable Samsungs are right out of the box. I'll probably get a Note 20 Ultra because why not. I'd get the largest variant available to me.
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The 20U is a solid platform. Get a good case before you start using it. They are beautiful slippery fish.
The Notes wuv to corner hit and face plant when dropped. The spen corner seems to be their favorite corner to land on
I use the Zizo Bolt and the Gorilla IQ Sheild screen protector. Zero damage in 1.5+ years in spite of nearly a dozen drops from 2-4 feet onto concrete.
A SD card allows you to have a data drive.
All critical data goes here including everything you need to do a full reload including installable app copies. No Playstore needed. This drive is then redundantly backed up to at least 2 hdds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other. Use a V30 rated card or higher.
Lexar's work right out of the box.
The internal memory regardless of its size is the OS drive. Loaded apps and the temporary DCIM and download* folders go here.
You now have a dual drive 1+tb computer in your hand
This is how my 10+ is set up. It runs like a bat out of hell. Current load is over a year old, still running fast and stable. A complete reload takes about 2 hours to set it back up, no internet or PC required.
*transferred to data drive once vetted
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The 20U is a solid platform. Get a good case before you start using it. They are beautiful slippery fish.
The Notes wuv to corner hit and face plant when dropped. The spen corner seems to be their favorite corner to land on
I use the Zizo Bolt and the Gorilla IQ Sheild screen protector. Zero damage in 1.5+ years in spite of nearly a dozen drops from 2-4 feet onto concrete.
A SD card allows you to have a data drive.
All critical data goes here including everything you need to do a full reload including installable app copies. No Playstore needed. This drive is then redundantly backed up to at least 2 hdds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other. Use a V30 rated card or higher.
Lexar's work right out of the box.
The internal memory regardless of its size is the OS drive. Loaded apps and the temporary DCIM and download* folders go here.
You now have a dual drive 1+tb computer in your hand
This is how my 10+ is set up. It runs like a bat out of hell. Current load is over a year old, still running fast and stable. A complete reload takes about 2 hours to set it back up, no internet or PC required.
*transferred to data drive once vetted
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How big is your SD Card? I'm considering ordering a 1TB card and transferring everything over. I use my phone for editing video, photos, rendering, office, receipts etc. Which is why I haven't played with its OS and such because it just works. I have a 256gb that's nearly full. I'll get a note 20 U and buy a 1tb card and leave my 256gb in my S20 U.
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How big is your SD Card? I'm considering ordering a 1TB card and transferring everything over. I use my phone for editing video, photos, rendering, office, receipts etc. Which is why I haven't played with its OS and such because it just works. I have a 256gb that's nearly full. I'll get a note 20 U and buy a 1tb card and leave my 256gb in my S20 U.
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I have a 512gb Lexar V30 card ($65) and currently using about 340gb.
Thinking about upgrading to a 1tb V30 card but they aren't cheap ($180-240).
The V30 is fast enough to stream video and wav files from with no issues. The Lexar writes around a [email protected]
The 20U has a faster bus than the 10+ so it may benefit from a faster card. Not sure as it doesn't apply to me and I haven't pursued it; V30 is fast enough for what I need.
If you have a large database you'll chew up one 1tb fast. My current database is about 1.5tb; really I like to see dual SD card slots
blackhawk said:
I have a 512gb Lexar V30 card ($65) and currently using about 340gb.
Thinking about upgrading to a 1tb V30 card but they aren't cheap ($180-240).
The V30 is fast enough to stream video and wav files from with no issues. The Lexar writes around a [email protected]
The 20U has a faster bus than the 10+ so it may benefit from a faster card. Not sure as it doesn't apply to me and I haven't pursued it; V30 is fast enough for what I need.
If you have a large database you'll chew up one 1tb fast. My current database is about 1.5tb; really I like to see dual SD card slots
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Now theres an idea I can get behind! I have a large database for sure. I sort everything in folders and label everything etc. My phone is my computer lol. I even run my GoPro through my phone to edit and upload video. I would love to see dual SD Cards someday. Maybe even faster cards as well. Phone already are coming out with 16gb of RAM, there is no reason they couldn't do dual storage cards. Actually I know it's possible because I have my SD card in my s20U and I use a USB c to micro USB to my S7 edge with another SD card in it to transfer data, and I set the S7 edge up as a storage drive on my s20U. So they just need to do it already. I think Nvidia needs to try and develop another mobile GPU that's insane and Samung needs to build a media based work usable phone. Like bring back the Galaxy Mega with some decent specs instead of garbage. Use a 120hz OLED panel, like 5.5-6 inches, with a 500+ pixel density, dual SIM, dual SD card, nvidia GPU, best 8 core Snapdragon, 16-20gb ram, s pen, amazing cameras front and rear and just have it blow away the competition. I'd spend 1500 on that all day. That phone would appeal to a fair amount of people. The galaxy Mega didnt sell well along side the note series because they limited it to a single carrier in the US, the specs were ehh at best, the screen was trash and no SPen support.
The Note held a niche until the battery drama and the S Series increased the size of the display. Samsung axed it knowing sales volume would be limited and it would directly compete with the S Series. It's a good device but shaded compared to the S21 Ultra. SoC, CPU, battery, cameras, bluetooth and display resolution. It's less expensive and still offers MicroSD but other than that it's second fiddle. At least you'll have the last of a dying breed. If I were to weight value for the Note 20 Ultra it would be against the A72 at half the price, not the S21 Ultra.
varcor said:
The Note held a niche until the battery drama and the S Series increased the size of the display. Samsung axed it knowing sales volume would be limited and it would directly compete with the S Series. It's a good device but shaded compared to the S21 Ultra. SoC, CPU, battery, cameras, bluetooth and display resolution. It's less expensive and still offers MicroSD but other than that it's second fiddle. At least you'll have the last of a dying breed.
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True, I would. But it's pretty comparable with my current S20U except for camera and so forth but still a great device. I've been thinking that's what I'll do instead of the s21U. I'd like to not step away from Samsung. Who knows, if dont like the Note, then I might check out the Z fold. I just know I won't like it though.
varcor said:
The Note held a niche until the battery drama and the S Series increased the size of the display. Samsung axed it knowing sales volume would be limited and it would directly compete with the S Series. It's a good device but shaded compared to the S21 Ultra. SoC, CPU, battery, cameras, bluetooth and display resolution. It's less expensive and still offers MicroSD but other than that it's second fiddle. At least you'll have the last of a dying breed. If I were to weight value for the Note 20 Ultra it would be against the A72 at half the price, not the S21 Ultra.
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The rounded display corners suck. In pictures they don't seem bad but in person they look horrible compared to the modern Notes. The colors and gamma of the 10+ are spot on. The display is one of a kind and just drop dead gorgeous. I stream vids constantly on mine.
The 12 gb ram variant of the 10+ or 16gb for the 20U are needed for a power user. The Snapdragon variant is the most desirable but difficult to root.
Battery excursions were a one shot deal although any Li can fail at any time especially when degraded.
The intergrated spen can't be replaced and even though I don't use it a lot, when I need it, I need.
As I learned battery and the C port PCB are relatively easy to replace once you know the tricks. Not near as bad as the reviews rate it.
A case is mandatory or it will get destroyed... sooner or latter.
If you can swing it and are tech savvy, get a Note.
As for being dead, doubtful. Sammy loves to play that to the hilt.
Samsung needs to rethink what their customer base wants rather than dictate what they can have. If Sammy fails to do this or fidgets like LG, they will suffer badly... if you can't rock it, somebody will.
But hey, how much can you expect from a rabid box of gerbils anyway?