FYI, on the Mi 10 Ultra, this should be the clearance you will need to have for phone clamps and gimbals if you don't want them to appear in the shot of the ultrawide camera.
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Phone clamps will have to be mounted off-center to the right.
It's possible that the only way to mount this in a gimbal without getting part of the clamp or gimbal in the shot would likely be to use a tray-style gimbal (not a clamp style ie. DJI Osmo 2/3, Zhiyun Smooth X, Hohem iSteady X, etc.) with a way to offset the phone or add counterweights.
I'm eager to hear about personal experiences with gimbals on this phone though!
We still don't know if the geometric center is the center of gravity though. I wonder if the battery weight could move the center of gravity away from the camera system.
Guess we'll have to wait and see.
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We still don't know if the geometric center is the center of gravity though. I wonder if the battery weight could move the center of gravity away from the camera system.
Guess we'll have to wait and see.
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The geometric center is almost assuredly not the center of gravity. Most every other phone has the center of gravity towards the charging port (right side in the diagram) but the huge problems with the Mi 10 Ultra are that:
- The ultrawide lens is the lens closest to the center of the phone, which is an incredibly stupid thing for Xiaomi to do. They've done the same on the Mi 9 and other Mi 10 phones as well, so this isn't new or special for Xiaomi. It's a dumb design flaw that has persisted across multiple iterations of their phones.
- The ultrawide lens is the widest ultrawide on any smartphone right now.
- Any infringement on the ultrawide will be occurring on the horizontal side of videos shot in landscape orientation, so you don't be able to crop in without losing a ton of resolution and field of view.
You see why I'm interested in:
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So, 8k on every lens except for the 2x?
Any info on the bitrate, fps, manual mode for 8k?
Do you think the phone could be balanced on a gimbal and UW be used in 8k?
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And we're back to my solution - shooting in 8k UW, zooming, cropping and producing 4k.
Probably not the best for anyone but I'm currently working that way. Using a phone as a B cam, shooting in 4k and cropping but, as you can imagine, quality is far from perfect.
That's why I so hope Mi 10 ultra shoots high quality UW 8k and gives me some control over the process.
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You see why I'm interested in:
And we're back to my solution - shooting in 8k UW, zooming, cropping and producing 4k.
Probably not the best for anyone but I'm currently working that way. Using a phone as a B cam, shooting in 4k and cropping but, as you can imagine, quality is far from perfect.
That's why I so hope Mi 10 ultra shoots high quality UW 8k and gives me some control over the process.
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8k is not available on the ultrawide:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/com...c2qct?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I have been using this for a week and had no problems with it. Exaggeration that u need to hold it awkwardly or fingers will be in the viewfinder.
Thanks for the clarification. Did you try to mount it in a gimbal and shooting UW?
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Thanks for the clarification. Did you try to mount it in a gimbal and shooting UW?
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I don't have the phone, but just by looking at the measurements I can't imagine how any gimbal could work on this with the ultrawide. If it's not the clamp and roll motor immediately getting into the view, the tilt motor probably would.
I'm also unable to find any videos shot on YouTube with the ultrawide and a gimbal for any of the previous Xiaomi phones with their ultrawide in a similar position on the phone.
I don't understand gimbals much because I never looked into them but based on the above info: when you need a gimbal, would it be possible to attach a removable lead or iron weight to the bottom of the phone to bring the center of gravity way towards that end?
Impossible to use with a gimbal
I bought the mi 10 ultra due to the wider opening angle of the market in wide camera. I tested all the shooting modes and in all of them there is a specific phone stabilization system EXCEPT the video made with the wide camera, which makes the use of the gimbal mandatory if you want a stable video. But the wide camera is in the MIDDLE of the device, that is, the arm and the motor of the gimbal cover all the video on the right side of the scene. Some users are saying to crop the video, but crop videos do not require the gimbal, yet if you want to use it, the gimbal still appears.
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I bought the mi 10 ultra due to the wider opening angle of the market in wide camera. I tested all the shooting modes and in all of them there is a specific phone stabilization system EXCEPT the video made with the wide camera, which makes the use of the gimbal mandatory if you want a stable video. But the wide camera is in the MIDDLE of the device, that is, the arm and the motor of the gimbal cover all the video on the right side of the scene. Some users are saying to crop the video, but crop videos do not require the gimbal, yet if you want to use it, the gimbal still appears.
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So I love my nexus 6 and the quality of the camera taking normal distance shot is great but what not so great, at least for me, is the crappy quality of photos taken up close or zoomed in.
If I try to take a picture up close, it's blurry and doesn't focus. If I try to take a picture from a distance and try to zoom in to focus, it doesn't work either.
There are many circumstances that I need up close pictures taken such as when I use my fitnesspal app where I have to take shots of barcodes to add to my nutrition log. I also work In IT and use my phone to take pictures of the back of equipment in tight spaces such as the server room.
Does anyone else experience what I am experiencing with close up pictures not focusing?
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Bump?
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I wouldn't bump it if I were you. IMO, the people who own the device will most likely disagree with you to justify their purchase or haters will spread hate and will end up comparing it with other devices causing flame war.
first off, you have to stay back a few more inches on the nexus 6, about 7 inches or so. and dont zoom in, that automatically reduces the quality. you can crop it lateer, much better than zooming in. besides that, you have to touch to focus. tap where you would like the camera to focus, and thats where itll "focus"(quality will be better there)
I think the camera is pretty decent personally, it's not like the best on the market or anything. It surely is far from the worst though.
Yeah as mentioned, zoomed in pictures are always going to be crap. We don't have optical zoom, we have digital zoom. All digital zoom does is crop the image grabbed from the sensor in the middle and then blow it back up to the same size. You can reproduce this yourself in Microsoft Paint for example.
See below for example
Download this 500x450 image: http://www.prime-junta.net/pont/img/How_to/ha_Testing_lenses/high_acc_low_res.jpg
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Select a part of the picture in the middle...
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Set the image size back to the original (or as close as you can get)...
Voila, poor quality image..
I'm a hobbyist photographer, have a degree in video production and work for a university doing this stuff. I will be honest that I have just gotten the Nexus 6 and haven't had a chance to really put the camera through its paces yet. But I can provide some general information that might help you understand what could be going on.
First of all, every lens has a minimum focusing distance. This is going to vary for each lens/camera. If the lens is closer to the object than this minimum focusing distance, then it can't find focus - the pieces of glass just don't have the room to move to the right place to focus. This is why people buy Macro lenses - they can focus a lot closer than other lenses. Now, I'm not saying buy a Macro lens. I'm just bringing that up for reference. There are Macro lenses you can buy for smartphones, but I never used any so I can't comment on what's good or if they're worth it. But this could help if it's that important to you. The only thing I will caution you with if you DO go for a macro lens is that these tend to provide a very shallow depth of field (blurry background/foreground is exaggerated). In a nutshell, this phone may not be able to focus on things very close.
With regards to zooming in - there's no real zoom on this camera or any released prior. Some new phones demonstrated at CES (or at least one) has a real zoom built in. What I mean is optical zoom. Optical zoom is the actual mechanical movement of the lens to zoom in on objects. So far, there has only been digital zoom. Digital zoom is no different than cropping. The problem with this is we have a fixed number of pixels for the image. When we crop or digitally zoom, we throw away a chunk of pixels on 3 or 4 of the sides we're zooming/cropping to and enlarging the remaining pixels. The more we zoom or crop, the lower the image quality becomes.
If you're scanning barcodes, I'd say perhaps you're doing it wrong. Most apps don't need to see this very close - it doesn't need to fill the entire screen. You can also indicate where to focus by tapping the screen what to focus on - this will help.
I've tried taking pictures close and from a distance with zoom. I just can't get it to focus quick enough to reaD barcodes.
Previous to my nexus 6 I was able to use my nexus 5 and iPhone 5s with ease. I literally would pull up the app, scan the barcode up close and it would read it instantly.
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I'm having the same issue. Even without digital zoom, any subject within about a foot and a half are fairly to completely blurry, getting worse the closer it gets. I understand lenses have limits with regard to focal distances, but as the phone attempts to focus, the subject becomes crystal clear once or twice before the autofocus settles on a blurry setting. So far I've tried clearing the cache and data and restoring the camera app to the factory settings. I've also tried a different camera app, but the same issue was still present.
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I'm having the same issue. Even without digital zoom, any subject within about a foot and a half are fairly to completely blurry, getting worse the closer it gets. I understand lenses have limits with regard to focal distances, but as the phone attempts to focus, the subject becomes crystal clear once or twice before the autofocus settles on a blurry setting. So far I've tried clearing the cache and data and restoring the camera app to the factory settings. I've also tried a different camera app, but the same issue was still present.
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why autofocus? itll focus on an average focus. if you want it focused right, then touch to focus.
Same problem happens with touch focus and average focus.
After the presentation of the One Plus 8 Pro and its x-ray feature, I have seen that other phones such as the Xiaomi Mi 8 and the Pocophone F1 have the same feature through an app, thanks to its front IR camera. Given that this Huawei P40 Pro has a front IR camera, could it have a similar feature?
https://www.xiaomist.com/2020/05/xiaomi-s-poco-f1-and-mi-8-had-x-ray.html
I hope there will be an application for P40 Pro?
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I hope there will be an application for P40 Pro?
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It's seems that the easiest way to test it is from Hardware Test Menu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=80&v=NklzVen8380&feature=emb_logo
Not work bro
So you're talking about infrared images? Like this?
Front cam:
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Both taken with the P40 Pro, and it's real infrared images, no simulations.
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how did you take these??
How?!
Klosterbruder said:
So you're talking about infrared images? Like this?
Both taken with the P40 Pro, and it's real infrared images, no simulations.
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How did you do this?
So here's the magic: You need on external aid, namely an infrared filter for any kind of DSLR or similar cameras.
You'll easily find such filters at Amazon or other online sellers, eBay and the like.
Quite often, there are sets of IR filters with different wavelengths. Everything above 720 nm is less interesting as these kinds of filters result in pure black-and-white images, without any hint of interesting colors.
If you find a single one, go for a 720 nm filter, this is a kind of standard, providing full infrared coverage plus some residual colors making for nice effects like yellow or orange trees and a deep blue sky.
For my pictures, I used a 720 nm filter by "Neewer", a supplyer of cheap but still usable optics accessories. It makes no sense heading for the "quality" filters from "Hoya" and the like: optical quality is a tiny bit better, but it won't make any difference with our P40 Pro. I also use the cheap Neewer filter with my Fujifilm X-T20 (Fujifilm cameras are also quite sensitive to infrared light), with great success.
After you got your filter: You need bright sunlight and a subject with grass and/or leaf trees - these provide the best effects as they appear white in the photo.
Just hold or stick the filter in front of your cameras, make sure there's as less residual light as possible reaching the lenses, also never shoot against the sun (will lead to strong lens flares) ruining the picture.
Focusing is a bit difficult and slow, but manageable. Try to use ISO values up to 800 to lower the longer exposure time needed for infrared shots, still try to keep the ISO as low as possible. The higher the ISO, the more picture noise the sensors produce.
Take care of correct white balance while postprocessing the pictures, the sky should be reddish, grass and foliage should appear bluish-grey. That's the right starting point for IR pictures with some color accents.
If you wish to go for pure black and white pictures, just convert the picture into black and white.
For getting a deep blue sky and yellow foliage, you need to swap two color channels, red and blue.
For everything else, just watch some YouTube videos dealing with infrared photos, you'll find real plenty. Try keywords like "affinity photo infrared" or "infrared photo postprocessing".
If you need specific help, just ask here.
The phone has an IR Depth sensor, not a IR camera.
davidwar said:
After the presentation of the One Plus 8 Pro and its x-ray feature, I have seen that other phones such as the Xiaomi Mi 8 and the Pocophone F1 have the same feature through an app, thanks to its front IR camera. Given that this Huawei P40 Pro has a front IR camera, could it have a similar feature?
https://www.xiaomist.com/2020/05/xiaomi-s-poco-f1-and-mi-8-had-x-ray.html
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The phone has an IR Depth sensor, not a IR camera.
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I think that the rear camera has an IR depth sensor, the ToF; but according to some reviews:
"For selfie shooters, the new model offers a dual-camera setup on the front, with the main camera using a 32MP 1/2.74-inch sensor and a 26mm-equivalent lens with f/2.2 aperture. Further, it uses information captured by a secondary infrared (IR) camera for depth sensing in bokeh mode and to support the autofocus and very low light face recognition"
I expected that P40Pro front camera works like as Xiaomi Pocophone and Mi8.
PD: to try the ToF camera download from Aptoide de ToF Viewer apk (0.4.2 version), works fine!
Klosterbruder said:
So you're talking about infrared images? Like this?
Front cam:
Main cam:
Both taken with the P40 Pro, and it's real infrared images, no simulations.
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Man, u r pro.
You can use TOF Viewer app to take photos with the back TOF camera
At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
I have 3 phones atm - Note 20 Ultra, P30 Pro (global), and Xiaomi Mi Note 9S w/GCAM. I never imagined the N20U would be able to match the camera quality of Mi Note 9S w/ GCAM, however after taking some daytime and also low light photography, N20U takes the best pics out of all three of my phones. Even night mode. However, I don't like the all white balance, and even though you can change that in Pro Mode, when you take pictures in Auto Mode, I hate the color that all Samsung phones give out, and prefer iPhones and Huawei phone color temperatures / hues. Also, there were certain scenarios (although not many), where the P30 Pro or the Note 9S w/GCAM took better pics, but that's expected. N20U took better pics than both of the other phones 75-90% of the time, even night time photography
it's all subjective. You like it 75-90% of the time. It doesn't mean 75-90% of everyone else will like it 75-90% of the time. With camera modules basically being made all by Sony or Samsung, they all look the same. besides, I haven't known anyone to print their pics. it's being compressed or filtered onto VSCO or IG anyway does it really matter? Just take your picture and be happy with it. Unless you have a 99 dollar tracphone, it's the same quality...and even if you do have that $99 tracphone, your grandma can't tell what phone it was taken on when you post it on fb.
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... With camera modules basically being made all by Sony or Samsung, they all look the same ... Unless you have a 99 dollar tracphone, it's the same quality.
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Software & image processing makes an immense difference - hence the constant desperation for broken GCam ports.
As a S20 Ultra owner - that phone has supposedly great hardware but has demonstrably awful image processing in a myriad of everyday situations (it's still way below par compared to its peers, after all the updates).
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On topic, the processing on the Note 20 Ultra is significantly better than my S20U in basically every scenario & camera mode I tried it in, including Low Light (my S20U's photos look like watercolor messes in comparison). The S20U only takes passable images with bright sunlight or sunlight-equivalent indoor lights. It fails miserably at processing images the dimmer the lighting gets, which I didn't find to be a problem on the S20U out-of-the-gate on Auto mode.
Can they bring the software updates to the S20U?
The Note 20 Ultra camera is identical to the S20 Ultra.
Low light on the S20 Ultra is better.
Clearly there needs to be an update for the Note 20 Ultra.
And like the S20 Ultra, it's impossible to take a picture of a document and have clear text across the frame.
Hopefully they go back to the drawing board for the S30 and choose a different sensor/lens combo.
The iPhone 12 camera is going to blow this one away as the 11 Pro is already better.
auto low light example that's lit by LEDs. Not bad.
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it's all subjective. You like it 75-90% of the time. It doesn't mean 75-90% of everyone else will like it 75-90% of the time. With camera modules basically being made all by Sony or Samsung, they all look the same. besides, I haven't known anyone to print their pics. it's being compressed or filtered onto VSCO or IG anyway does it really matter? Just take your picture and be happy with it. Unless you have a 99 dollar tracphone, it's the same quality...and even if you do have that $99 tracphone, your grandma can't tell what phone it was taken on when you post it on fb.
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Actually even with same cameras and sensors, you can have Vastly different output. Just look at Pixel phones, alot of other manufacturers use the same exact sensor however its the software engineering that makes pixel phones take great pics. You just sound like an argumentative person, I was just providing my personal experience, and never mentioned that other people's experience would be the same
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Actually even with same cameras and sensors, you can have Vastly different output. Just look at Pixel phones, alot of other manufacturers use the same exact sensor however its the software engineering that makes pixel phones take great pics. You just sound like an argumentative person, I was just providing my personal experience, and never mentioned that other people's experience would be the same
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cool story bro. fact remains, still looks the same when filters are applied and compressed when posted on social media.
Here's the information on my current version and also here is a video showing the issue.
This issue only occurs when shooting in 4K. When shooting in 1080p it's absolutely fine. Which makes me think it's a software issue. I've tried resetting the camera app, clearing cache and data etc. But nothing seems to help. Is anyone else having this issue, or does anyone know a fix for it?
I've only just got the phone and finished setting it all up and when testing the camera I noticed this.
Here's another video showing the issue of shooting video using the 3x camera in 4K. As well as showing that it doesn't occur when shooting in 1080p. As some people thought it was due to low light.
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I am no expert in photography or filming, but it may well be due to physical limitations of the camera icw software and not necessarily a bug.
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I am no expert in photography or filming, but it may well be due to physical limitations of the camera icw software and not necessarily a bug.
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This is why I want to see if anyone else can replicate this or not. Then at least I'll know it's not just my device.
Same issue
No1VIPER said:
This is why I want to see if anyone else can replicate this or not. Then at least I'll know it's not just my device.
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To replicate, can you elaborate what exactly you did to make the video? (Settings in camera, how did you transition to the close-up (switch zoom/how or move the phone closer?)
I was not able to replicate and see the effect...
OnnoJ said:
To replicate, can you elaborate what exactly you did to make the video? (Settings in camera, how did you transition to the close-up (switch zoom/how or move the phone closer?)
I was not able to replicate and see the effect...
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It happens when using UHD 30 in 16:9 and starting recording in 1x, then switching to 3x to zoom in. When shooting in FHD it doesn't happen though.
Keyvannn said:
Same issue
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Was it always like this, or did an update cause it?
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Was it always like this, or did an update cause it?
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Honestly, I didn't realize this, I always used fhd
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Honestly, I didn't realize this, I always used fhd
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The other weird thing is that it doesn't happen when using UHD 30 in Full instead of 16:9 either
Not sure what is wrong here? If it is the blurriness and lack of focus when zoomed then that is normal as the 3x is too close to the subject to focus.
No issue here, in particular when I verify ability camera to focus at 3x in advance and adjus the minimum distance between object (also a watch with illuminating dial at dark wooden table) and S21U camera (G998B).
If I start too close, no good focus thus bit blurry at 3x, but no lighting issue.
My guess is that the lighting conditions in shown video are just too dim.
It's too dark and you are too close to the object for the 3x to focus properly.
The 3x has a tighter aperture and it takes in much less light than the 1x. It is only meant to be used in well lit scenarios and also not as close as you have it.
You also say it works if you shoot in FHD, so if you can also make the same video with the EXACT same conditions, do it and show us.
I've added another video to the first post now showing a comparison between the 4K and 1080p videos. Also shoot in low light to show that it's not due to that.
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It's too dark and you are too close to the object for the 3x to focus properly.
The 3x has a tighter aperture and it takes in much less light than the 1x. It is only meant to be used in well lit scenarios and also not as close as you have it.
You also say it works if you shoot in FHD, so if you can also make the same video with the EXACT same conditions, do it and show us.
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Did you see the new video I added to the first post?
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I've added another video to the first post now showing a comparison between the 4K and 1080p videos. Also shoot in low light to show that it's not due to that.
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Same issue here, Android 12 One UI 4.0, S21 Ultra Exynos variant
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Same issue here, Android 12 One UI 4.0, S21 Ultra Exynos variant
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I wonder if it's just an Exynos issue perhaps then.
Exynos S21U, no such issue here
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Did you see the new video I added to the first post?
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I think you can mark your issue as solved and I will tell you why.
The reason that it looks fine on FHD, is because the phone does NOT switch to the 3x camera when you press the button. Since you are recording at 1080, it just crops the image smoothly. While at 4K it switches cameras and since you are too close to your object, the 3x camera does not manage to Focus. You can test this by putting your finger infront of the camera and see.
I would advice that you pull your phone 10cm back and then try this again, the 3x camera should then focus properly.
I think
babyboy3265 is correct. See my video from not so close to object.
my Problem is just in UHD60 recording. i can choose between 1x ,3x or 10x before start the recording. When i start to record i dont have this 3x or 10x button any more. but in FHD or UHD30 i have it after start.
Out of curiosity, I compared my X90 Pro+ at an event to my Sony A9 (paid £2500) with a £1500 sony lens attached.
Used the Vivo 2x zoom, so not even the best lens on the camera. Indoors in a not particularly well lit room, with ceiling lights messing with skin tones.
While there are of course differences, I am amazed how well the Vivo holds up. The screen behind looks better on the Vivo thanks to the great hdr processing, and details are retained really well on the jacket.
This is not to say it can do what the £4000 Sony combo can, but proving the point that mobile photography has come a really long way and that the Vivo is a top pick - even if the Chinese are spying on you
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200% crop for pixel peepers:
I also took some snaps around my local area - this one was picked for some of our marketing collateral.
With the Sony, I would have to use a tripod to get the long exposure. Amazingly, this was done handheld leaning against a pillar
Night shot with the 2x lens (edit):
I had this phone for just a few days and yet to get around to all the features - once I master it 100% I'm sure it will be part of my work equipment.
Thanks a lot for sharing. It truly is amazing how far smartphone cameras have come. Vivo's work is very commendable. You also have a good choice in cameras. The alpha series of cameras are amazing for their versatility.
The Vivo X90 Pro+ does have a very reputable and somewhat even famous Sony sensor so it might be why it holds up so well. Especially with the post processing. If you hadn't labeled which device took which photo, I would have had a very hard time picking which was which.
I'll be taking mine to the jungles of Australia in about a month and I cannot wait to see what I can capture there.
Enjoy your phone.
The photos are great, but you had good subjects. Try the portrait in front of a complex background or on someone with long curly hair. Short hair cut and simple background are really easy for AI Blur.
Still even easy on the close up some mistakes are visible (e.g. the view through the left side of the glasses).
Also I think it's way more important for professional work to get reliable shots where you know how they will work out, and usability on the functions, Integration with external Equipment like microphone/flash and so on. All things not possible on a smartphone. Plus speed of changing modes (flip a wheel, hit the shutter button) and a lot more. It's not the quality of shots that turn out well that make a smartphone unusable (for video much more than photo), but the shots that do not turn out well.
With the smartphone and the AI and every firmware update changing how things work, they are simply not tools for professional photography, but can be an addition in some situations. So far they are far away from being a full replacement.
extremecarver said:
The photos are great, but you had good subjects. Try the portrait in front of a complex background or on someone with long curly hair. Short hair cut and simple background are really easy for AI Blur.
Still even easy on the close up some mistakes are visible (e.g. the view through the left side of the glasses).
Also I think it's way more important for professional work to get reliable shots where you know how they will work out, and usability on the functions, Integration with external Equipment like microphone/flash and so on. All things not possible on a smartphone. Plus speed of changing modes (flip a wheel, hit the shutter button) and a lot more. It's not the quality of shots that turn out well that make a smartphone unusable (for video much more than photo), but the shots that do not turn out well.
With the smartphone and the AI and every firmware update changing how things work, they are simply not tools for professional photography, but can be an addition in some situations. So far they are far away from being a full replacement.
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I did not suggest the Vivo will be a replacement for my Sony equipment - I just did a casual test to check how they would stack up against each other in a typical work scenario. Yes, zooming in reveals the bokeh is not perfect as will be the case on any phone, and yes, adding microphone/flash is obviously not going to work.
I am well aware of the limitations of mobile photography. Point of this is just to show how the quality of images is getting closer - and that it is good enough to be an addition to the pro equipment. For instance, I have been using my p30 pro for wide angle snaps of venues where I photograph. The Vivo will do this too, only better.
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I did not suggest the Vivo will be a replacement for my Sony equipment
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To quite a few people they get this impression however on the various DSLR vs smartphone "tests".
E.g. for Video I would take an old Canon XL-H1 over any smartphone if I had to shoot a movie. Even though it only supports 1080i (not even 1080P).
I would argue that even the older SD resolution 3chip prosumer Video cameras are better able to tell a story vs a modern smartphone - because if you shoot a movie the auto white balance with the actor looking different in any scene and other problems will make it hard to grip your viewer. Then of course no - I would never use such old equipment anymore but picture quality is simply just one aspect.
If I shoot something and only later discover on my PC that the aperture or color balance is so off that I cannot fix it - it simply means I failed my job. There are situations where the smartphone can supplement or even replace professional equipment - it's well visible nowadays in press conferences how many people resort to smartphones - especially if it's only for press and not tv stations.
Usability and reliablility will never catch up - while pure picture quality may even overtake? Overtake is a bit hard because the manufacturers like Sony, Canon, Nikon, Red and others could always just build their products around a smartphone chip. I mean that's kinda how Red revolutionized the Film market.
They used camera chips, coupled them with immense cooling - and got a video camera that beats out film. But should sensors for smartphones ever surpass sensors for DSLR (unlikely as long as there is a potent market for DSLR) - DSLR could just go for smartphone sensors, snapdgragon processors - and build a hardware around it that has way better usability than a simple touchscreen.
100% crop of X90 Pro+ (90mm lens) vs. Sony a6400 (75mm lens + digital). Indoor shot at night.
A pro photographer will know which one is which, but I'm not sure which one is better
@Haskren Your photography skills are amazing!
Another snap tonight