Google Fi Pixel 5, Same? - Google Pixel 5 Questions & Answers

I went to order a pixel 5 yesterday and all they had in stock were the Fi variants (ordered anyways), after some quick research I discovered that they were the same phone as the unlocked version. I'm a T-Mobile customer, with 2 numbers, one for personal and one for work. I read where some people have said the esim is tied to Fi, I'm hoping someone here can shed some light on that as my plan was to have T-Mobile activate the esim for one of my lines and using the traditional sim card in the slot. Anyone done this?
Also, I've read where they say 5g isn't an option with dual sims, yet I also read where changes were pushed to allow 5g with dual sims... Anyone have an answer on that as well? Thanks.

Ducter said:
I went to order a pixel 5 yesterday and all they had in stock were the Fi variants (ordered anyways), after some quick research I discovered that they were the same phone as the unlocked version. I'm a T-Mobile customer, with 2 numbers, one for personal and one for work. I read where some people have said the esim is tied to Fi, I'm hoping someone here can shed some light on that as my plan was to have T-Mobile activate the esim for one of my lines and using the traditional sim card in the slot. Anyone done this?
Also, I've read where they say 5g isn't an option with dual sims, yet I also read where changes were pushed to allow 5g with dual sims... Anyone have an answer on that as well? Thanks.
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The only difference with the Fi phone vs. the Google one is who supports it. If you have a warranty replacement it will have to come from the Fi team and not Google. Weird but true. Otherwise they are exactly the same. That includes not being branded to any one carrier. If you have a Fi account when you set up your phone it will automatically download the eSim if you want but if you don't then just pop in your physical sim and you're off to the races. Then contact the provider for a scan code for the eSim. I've not done it with TM but with Verizon and all works easily enough. Get yourself a 5G sim too while you're at it.
Now the big question, lol, I do not have 5G with both my sims active.. yet. I do not have the December patch from VZW either so I can't say if the merged code made it into the patch. I've asked all around and no one even responds to my inquiries including Android Police and 9to5 who initially reported it from the XDA feed. But supposedly Monday I'll get the Dec build and know one way or the other.

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Now the big question
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Thanks for the reply. I assumed as much but you know what it's like after you do something, you begin to wonder lol. I do not have Fi, hopefully if I have an issue, that won't become one.
Hopefully the 5g on both sims made it into the update, or will be making it in shortly. I'm coming from a OnePlus 6t and dissatisfied with how OnePlus has been handling their updates. Phone gets great updates, timely and functional for 6 months, after that it's mainly focused on the newer models and the updates slow down but do still come, 12 months it starts to get left behind and now, they throw a security update at you occasionally. Been on lineage for a while and just decided spec wise, modern phones do all I care for them to do so the pixel 5 looked like a nice offering even if it's not "top of the line". We'll see I suppose.

Ducter said:
Thanks for the reply. I assumed as much but you know what it's like after you do something, you begin to wonder lol. I do not have Fi, hopefully if I have an issue, that won't become one.
Hopefully the 5g on both sims made it into the update, or will be making it in shortly. I'm coming from a OnePlus 6t and dissatisfied with how OnePlus has been handling their updates. Phone gets great updates, timely and functional for 6 months, after that it's mainly focused on the newer models and the updates slow down but do still come, 12 months it starts to get left behind and now, they throw a security update at you occasionally. Been on lineage for a while and just decided spec wise, modern phones do all I care for them to do so the pixel 5 looked like a nice offering even if it's not "top of the line". We'll see I suppose.
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You'll be happy with the phone. It's the right price, right size and battery lasts all day no matter what you do to it. At least for me, lol. There have been some issues with Fi support buy you really won't be dealing with them unless you have a hardware issue. As soon as I get the update on Monday I'll chime in here but you might get the device before that. Make sure you are there to sign for it as I've heard of some empty boxes arriving on doorsteps.
As for 5G if you need it you can toggle off a sim very quickly and bring it back online just as easily. If I toggle off my work number 5G pops right up. I don't usually do it but I will on the weekends sometimes. I don't find it any faster than lte at this point but perhaps TM is better the VZW. Then again I've yet to connect to the super duper 5G they are touting.

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Hopefully the 5g on both sims made it into the update, or will be making it in shortly.
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Nope, didn't make it in. Still LTE with both sims active.

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Nope, didn't make it in. Still LTE with both sims active.
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Yeah, I received the phone Sunday actually, surprised me they delivered then as it was scheduled for Monday. I wasn't home, they delivered it regardless, another surprise as tracking said signature required and I watched on my camera the FedEx guy walk up, put the phone by the door and walk away... Worked for me I suppose.
My time with the phone so far has been good. I'm coming from a OnePlus 6t that I was happy with the performance of the phone but it was starting to have gps issues and would drop calls fairly often. This phone is much smaller but I like it. I'm 6'4 with large hands but it still is a nice size. Performance wise, if I'm honest I can't really tell a difference. Sure, benchmarks likely would suggest different but I don't use them, I use the phone and in that regard, the pixel 5 is fine. Camera, even with it's aging hardware takes much better pictures. I can't comment fully on battery as of yet but then again my 6t would easily outlast my usage per day anyways.

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Oh AT&T... how I loathe you!

Every GALAXY launch we go through the same BS. No 32GB option available, and this time no GOLD or BLUE color options available. Why? Why? Why? Is it really that difficult to include all the colors with 32GB? Now those of us who want to get the phone on launch are once again screwed just like we were last year and the year before on 32gb of storage. Of course I take all this back if the unlocked variant offered AT&T LTE support; which it doesn't by the way. Why am I not surprised? The 16gb S5 will have about 10GB of user storage.
I am so fed up with this type of BS. AT&T is, unfortunately, the only carrier that works well in my area. T-Mobile is spotty with lots of EDGE. If only their service was on lower spectrum, I'd be all over them.
Anyone else feeling just as frustrated with this mess we endure every year.
I totally agree, but the ATT S4 did come with a 32Gb. I am using it right now. I wish Sammy would up them all to 32Gb and an option for 64Gb. 16Gb is too small with how large touchwiz is with each revision. No way I will go back to only 16Gb on board.
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16GB is never an issue with me, regardless of the device. It's more than enough for my needs, considering I have maybe 2-4 very small games on my devices at any given time. What does piss me off is the lack of all the colors. I wanted the blue model, but of course, that's not possible...for whatever idiotic reason. I just said screw it and preordered the black. I guess I'll just buy a different back cover down the road.
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16GB is never an issue with me, regardless of the device. It's more than enough for my needs, considering I have maybe 2-4 very small games on my devices at any given time. What does piss me off is the lack of all the colors. I wanted the blue model, but of course, that's not possible...for whatever idiotic reason. I just said screw it and preordered the black. I guess I'll just buy a different back cover down the road.
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16GB may not be an issue for everyone, but why can't they just give the customer the choice at pre-launch? I have no problem paying more for storage. Why does Apple sell every color and size up front from day 1? That's what I don't get. Since they are dying so much to be like Apple, then why can't they at least do that?
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16GB may not be an issue for everyone, but why can't they just give the customer the choice at pre-launch? I have no problem paying more for storage. Why does Apple sell every color and size up front from day 1? That's what I don't get. Since they are dying so much to be like Apple, then why can't they at least do that?
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Agreed -- it really doesn't make any sense at all. All model options should be available from day 1, no exceptions. That's one thing Apple does an excellent job at. They announce their devices and the same day you can start preordering any color/storage model, assuming the stock is available, of course. It pissed me off even more, because we had to wait this long after the S5 announcement to just preorder it...and then we don't have all the options available? Very annoying.
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Agreed -- it really doesn't make any sense at all. All model options should be available from day 1, no exceptions. That's one thing Apple does an excellent job at. They announce their devices and the same day you can start preordering any color/storage model, assuming the stock is available, of course. It pissed me off even more, because we had to wait this long after the S5 announcement to just preorder it...and then we don't have all the options available? Very annoying.
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+1, Samsung never have full availability of their models. Either they announce a color but don't have it or announce a 64 GB version and don't have it.
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barondebxl said:
+1, Samsung never have full availability of their models. Either they announce a color but don't have it or announce a 64 GB version and don't have it.
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Yeah I know. Its ridiculous. I don't know why I had such high hopes for them to turn around and launch the S5 differently than before.
MattMJB0188 said:
I am so fed up with this type of BS. AT&T is, unfortunately, the only carrier that works well in my area. T-Mobile is spotty with lots of EDGE. If only their service was on lower spectrum, I'd be all over them.
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I know it doesnt help right now, but i recall reading on Engadget recently that T-Mobile is claiming that all of their 2g areas will be upgraded to 4g by 2015 or early in 2015. That should open up more options for you and countless others.
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I know it doesnt help right now, but i recall reading on Engadget recently that T-Mobile is claiming that all of their 2g areas will be upgraded to 4g by 2015 or early in 2015. That should open up more options for you and countless others.
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That will help, but a major problem T-Mobile has it that their frequencies don't reach as far as AT&T's and therefore you get EDGE. T-Mobile has all their towers upgraded in my area to HSPA+ and some with LTE, but since those signals don't travel as far, it always turns into EDGE. They need to shut EDGE down entirely and use only H+.
New TouchWiz is just over 8 gigs of space, I've been told the 16gb version will have about 7 gigs of usable storage. I'm waiting for the 32gb version to come to AT&BS I guess a little later this year.
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This is why I am thinking of passing on s5 and going to HTC one m8. I checked out the phone at AT&T and very impressed with it plus it comes in 32gb at AT&T as default. Tired of Samsung Bs. They will release a 32gb version on AT&T 6 months down the road or never.
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sabre31 said:
This is why I am thinking of passing on s5 and going to HTC one m8. I checked out the phone at AT&T and very impressed with it plus it comes in 32gb at AT&T as default. Tired of Samsung Bs. They will release a 32gb version on AT&T 6 months down the road or never.
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Yea. With the S4 I think they announced the 32GB version about 2 weeks after the 16GB went on sale; ultimately screwing anyone who wanted one because their return policy was up.
I actually ordered the 16GB because I never have come close to filling the internal storage I was just pissed its not an option. I just really wanted the blue. **** like that pisses me off. I am sure if AT&T gets the 32GB it will only come in black. I wanted white this time.
Yeah AT&T waited 2 weeks on purpose so you couldn't return the 16gb version. I bet they will pull something similar now. Hoping that somebody is desperate to open another line or pay full price to get it.
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Same thing with last year. 64GB M7 cost the same as a 16GB S4.
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Equally as important as the space issue is the "download booster" feature, which is disabled on all the demo devices that are popping up in AT&T stores. I'm going to wait for the actual devices to ship to customers before passing judgment because floor models definitely do have things disabled sometimes. That said, it certainly shouldn't shock anyone that AT&T would want this disabled. Years of history support the idea that they don't want people using their network, and they push people toward WiFi whenever possible. I can just see some corporate goon in a boardroom breaking out in a cold sweat over the idea of people accidentally using download booster and going over their data plans because they didn't realize what they were doing.
Let us not forget this is also the same carrier who disabled installation of non-market APKs on their early Android devices, shipped the Note 2 without the multi-window functionality until enough people raised hell, and removed the Knox security app from the Note 3. This says nothing of the fact that they still manage to get their paws into Nexus devices, successfully getting Google to code in an exception that disables tethering on the Nexus 7 if you have an AT&T SIM card in it. There's no account check or anything else. If you have an AT&T SIM card in your Nexus 7, the tethering option disappears. End of story. Not even Verizon does that. Also, does anyone remember how, for the longest time, AT&T made both Apple and Google disable video chat in Facetime and Hangouts over HSPA+ and LTE, forcing you to use WiFi?
So far, I'm leaving my preorder intact, but if my device doesn't have the download booster feature, I'm returning it. Every time I decide to give a carrier-branded device a chance, it seems I get let down. Even with Nexus devices, AT&T finds a way to let me down (thus why I have my N7 on Verizon). I'm trying to give AT&T the benefit of the doubt on the download booster, but I'm not at all optimistic. :/ I mainly stick with AT&T because they're basically the only choice if you want to use unlocked Nexus and/or GPE devices and still have Verizon-like coverage.
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Equally as important as the space issue is the "download booster" feature, which is disabled on all the demo devices that are popping up in AT&T stores. I'm going to wait for the actual devices to ship to customers before passing judgment because floor models definitely do have things disabled sometimes. That said, it certainly shouldn't shock anyone that AT&T would want this disabled. Years of history support the idea that they don't want people using their network, and they push people toward WiFI whenever possible. I can just see some corporate goon in a boardroom breaking out in a cold sweat over the idea of people accidentally using download booster and going over their data plans because they didn't realize what they were doing.
Let us not forget this is also the same carrier who disabled installation of non-market APKs on their early Android devices, shipped the Note 2 without the multi-window functionality until enough people raised hell, and removed the Knox security app from the Note 3. This says nothing of the fact that they still manage to get their paws into Nexus devices, successfully getting Google to code in an exception that disables tethering on the Nexus 7 if you have an AT&T SIM card in it. There's no account check or anything else. If you have an AT&T SIM card in your Nexus 7, the tethering option disappears. End of story. Not even Verizon does that. Also, does anyone remember how, for the longest time, AT&T made both Apple and Google disable video chat in Facetime and Hangouts over HSPA+ and LTE, forcing you to use WiFi?
So far, I'm leaving my preorder intact, but if my device doesn't have the download booster feature, I'm returning it. Every time I decide to give a carrier-branded device a chance, it seems I get let down. Even with Nexus devices, AT&T finds a way to let me down (thus why I have my N7 on Verizon). I'm trying to give AT&T the benefit of the doubt on the download booster, but I'm not at all optimistic. :/ I mainly stick with AT&T because they're basically the only choice if you want to use unlocked Nexus and/or GPE devices and still have Verizon-like coverage.
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Well said. Personally, I have never used a Nexus device. I have heard bad things about LG's nexus. But I guess it wouldn't be fair of me to judge that device without actually using it. Samsung's TW provides me with exactly what I need. I love the look and a lot of the features. Like you, and as I have already stated, I will keep my pre-order intact and wait until I actually get the device to see for myself if the feature has been disabled or not.
If they do, in fact disable download booster, I probably will go with the international variant. No carrier branding whatsoever. I believe its the same case as in the past. NO LTE, but 21mbps HSPA+ which is fine for my needs. I think loosing LTE may be worth getting an untouched/non-carrier branded Samsung phone. NO limitations, no nothing. Having the ability to have a custom recovery and kernels would be a deal breaker alone. We already know the AT&T S5 will have a locked down bootloader.
One thing I am looking forward to with the AT&T S5 is its support for carrier aggregation. I live in the Chicago land area (one of AT&T's first LTE-A markets). So I am dying to see how much faster my speeds will be.
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Equally as important as the space issue is the "download booster" feature, which is disabled on all the demo devices that are popping up in AT&T stores. I'm going to wait for the actual devices to ship to customers before passing judgment because floor models definitely do have things disabled sometimes. That said, it certainly shouldn't shock anyone that AT&T would want this disabled. Years of history support the idea that they don't want people using their network, and they push people toward WiFI whenever possible. I can just see some corporate goon in a boardroom breaking out in a cold sweat over the idea of people accidentally using download booster and going over their data plans because they didn't realize what they were doing.
Let us not forget this is also the same carrier who disabled installation of non-market APKs on their early Android devices, shipped the Note 2 without the multi-window functionality until enough people raised hell, and removed the Knox security app from the Note 3. This says nothing of the fact that they still manage to get their paws into Nexus devices, successfully getting Google to code in an exception that disables tethering on the Nexus 7 if you have an AT&T SIM card in it. There's no account check or anything else. If you have an AT&T SIM card in your Nexus 7, the tethering option disappears. End of story. Not even Verizon does that. Also, does anyone remember how, for the longest time, AT&T made both Apple and Google disable video chat in Facetime and Hangouts over HSPA+ and LTE, forcing you to use WiFi?
So far, I'm leaving my preorder intact, but if my device doesn't have the download booster feature, I'm returning it. Every time I decide to give a carrier-branded device a chance, it seems I get let down. Even with Nexus devices, AT&T finds a way to let me down (thus why I have my N7 on Verizon). I'm trying to give AT&T the benefit of the doubt on the download booster, but I'm not at all optimistic. :/ I mainly stick with AT&T because they're basically the only choice if you want to use unlocked Nexus and/or GPE devices and still have Verizon-like coverage.
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Well said. Unlocked devices in the USA pretty much only fully support AT&T frequencies. Sure they may be unlocked, but use any other carrier and you'll end up losing out on one to numerous frequencies.
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Well said. Unlocked devices in the USA pretty much only fully support AT&T frequencies. Sure they may be unlocked, but use any other carrier and you'll end up losing out on one to numerous frequencies.
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I can't speak for all unlocked devices, but every Nexus device with a cellular radio fully supports all bands for both AT&T and T-Mobile. In addition, the Nexus 5 fully supports all Sprint CDMA and LTE bands, and the 2013 N7 has full Verizon LTE support.
On the GPE side, you're right. The Moto G and both generations of the HTC One lack support for HSPA+ on the AWS/1700 MHz band, which T-Mobile requires for any area not refarmed to use HSPA+ on the PCS/1900 MHz band.
That said, all GPEs fully support T-Mobile LTE.
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I can't speak for all unlocked devices, but every Nexus device with a cellular radio fully supports all bands for both AT&T and T-Mobile. In addition, the Nexus 5 fully supports all Sprint CDMA and LTE bands, and the 2013 N7 has full Verizon LTE support.
On the GPE side, you're right. The Moto G and both generations of the HTC One lack support for HSPA+ on the AWS/1700 MHz band, which T-Mobile requires for any area not refarmed to use HSPA+ on the PCS/1900 MHz band.
That said, all GPEs fully support T-Mobile LTE.
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Yeah that's true I forgot about T-Mobile. Nexus 5 did it right with good carrier support. GPE supporting T-Mobile and AT&T is nice, but nowhere near ideal. Case in point the M8 unlocked and Dev editions only support AT&T. Also, I think the unlocked iPhones support all the US carriers (99% sure).
Point is, to my knowledge, unlocked device support in the USA is like this (greatest adoption to least):
1. AT&T
2. T-Mobile
3. Sprint (very little support)
4. Verizon (pretty much nothing)
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i'm confused, why doesn't everyone that want bigger memory space to just spend 35 dollars on amazon and get a 64GB micro card? that'd what i did so now when i get my AT&T S5, I'll have a total of 70 GBs free space....
i think you guys are crying way too much about this 16GB deal.

[Q] AT&T Nexus 6 and Wi-Fi calling? Phone support, ETA's etc?

I'm sorry if this is the wrong section but does XDA even have carrier specific sections? I tried Googling AT&T forums and XDA and pulled up nothing. Maybe I just didn't look hard enough but I thought I would ask here because this is somewhat specifically about the AT&T N6.
SO I'm loving my N6. Big upgrade from my old Sammy S3. I've totally gotten use to using the 6 inch screen and when I tried to use my Step-son's S3 the other day it seemed too small.
My only complaint is signal strength inside of various buildings I work in. I did get some dropped calls on my S3 but for the most part it was acceptable and I normally just send texts anyway and those normally always got threw.
I'm finding this is not so much the case on the N6 though. I noticed that I have a lot of time with no signal and texts don't even get out unless I go near a window.
I know AT&T had talked about Wi-Fi calling and I'm just wondering does the N6 support this? As the new iPhone 6 and 6 Plus does, I assume the N6 does too. Has anyone seen any realistic ETA's on when AT&T might roll this out? I know they had thought maybe 2015 but I'm wondering if it's going to be sooner than later and I thought maybe someone who keeps up on AT&T carrier news or works for them maybe had heard rumblings.
I'm almost thinking about just getting a SIM for my S3 and putting a line on it just so I have a cell I can use in my various offices where my S3 had worked but now my N6 doesn't.
I have 7 different buildings I have an office in and I'm pretty much dead in about half of them! I'm always on the run so land-lines are worthless to me! Almost thinking about buying a Cisco VOIP portable phone to use over wireless.
Thanks!
The Nexus 6 doesn't support Wifi calling right now, but it is coming in a future update. Supposedly this update is coming in Q1, rumor is Feb, perhaps this is in the rumored 5.1 update that is supposed to arrive around the same time.
The info about wifi calling is mostly from T-Mobile though, so what that means for AT&T, unsure. I don't believe they offer it at all yet, just a "soon" sort of thing. Even once they offer it, I am unsure what that would mean for the Nexus 6 and AT&T. For example I don't think the iPhone 6's wifi calling works on Sprint, or well at least the last time I talked to a co-worker she said it didn't.
Also rumors are the same update will bring VoLTE which is a big deal to everyone except those on Sprint.
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Phone on Total Wireless

I just picked up this phone cause it was finally able to work on Verizon but I can't get any mobile data. I can get on the internet just not make or receive calls and texts. Total Wireless uses Verizon's network so I can't figure out why I am having trouble. I bought a new sim,tried 4 different apn combinations, talked with TW customer service for over 45 minutes and can't find a reason why I can't get calls. Anyone else out there with this phone in a similar situation and if you got it fixed how'd you go about it? Thank you all for your time and hope someone can chime in on the problem.
You need your sim configured with "CDMA-Less" profile. The TW reps are not the brightest, but if you do a search for CDMA-less profile you'll see even verizon reps don't know about this.. I hope you get this sorted. I have TW and vzw with gudp account. let me know if you get this fixed. I want the 128GB model.
https://www.reddit.com/r/verizon/comments/9rlzqy/verizon_is_officially_supporting_razor_phone_2/
LBJM said:
You need your sim configured with "CDMA-Less" profile. The TW reps are not the brightest, but if you do a search for CDMA-less profile you'll see even verizon reps don't know about this.. I hope you get this sorted. I have TW and vzw with gudp account. let me know if you get this fixed. I want the 128GB model.
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Thank you for the reply. Ispoke with TW tech service yetserday morning and told them that is what the Razer customer support said about the cdma less side of the service. They told me to leave the Sim in the phone for 24 hours to configure but it is way past the 24 hour mark and still can't make or receive calls and texts. I have a number the TW tech gave me that's a direct line to him so I'm going to have to call. 800.00 for a phone I can only use for internet is way too high
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You need your sim configured with "CDMA-Less" profile. The TW reps are not the brightest, but if you do a search for CDMA-less profile you'll see even verizon reps don't know about this.. I hope you get this sorted. I have TW and vzw with gudp account. let me know if you get this fixed. I want the 128GB model.
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Might as well give up on it. Bee on the phone with TW tech manager and with Verizon level 3 tech support.Verizon can't change mine because my account is with TW. TWcan't change it cause the change has to be made on Verizon's side. So basically any mvno of Verizon will not work. Was told Verizon prepay will but I get 6gb of data for 35 a month.Dont see me paying more for less data just to keep a phone
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Might as well give up on it. Bee on the phone with TW tech manager and with Verizon level 3 tech support.Verizon can't change mine because my account is with TW. TWcan't change it cause the change has to be made on Verizon's side. So basically any mvno of Verizon will not work. Was told Verizon prepay will but I get 6gb of data for 35 a month.Dont see me paying more for less data just to keep a phone
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Have you thought about contacting razor? And going about getting a FULL refund. Every other phone with verizon support works on total wireless. I'm mad and i don't even have the phone...
They didn't get the phone verizon certified till a few days ago:
https://www.reddit.com/r/razerphone/comments/9qs0ww/verizon_megathread/
Also you might want to post over at https://www.reddit.com/r/razerphone/
To let razor and other people know it won't work with total wireless... I still want the 128GB model... What is worse is my local best buy has the 64GB model for $645.
LBJM said:
Have you thought about contacting razor? And going about getting a FULL refund. Every other phone with verizon support works on total wireless. I'm mad and i don't even have the phone...
They didn't get the phone verizon certified till a few days ago:
https://www.reddit.com/r/razerphone/comments/9qs0ww/verizon_megathread/
Also you might want to post over at https://www.reddit.com/r/razerphone/
To let razor and other people know it won't work with total wireless... I still want the 128GB model... What is worse is my local best buy has the 64GB model for $645.
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I can get a refund and probably will. I have contacted Razer support and they said the first batch of phones that shipped on the 10th wouldn't even work for Verizon. A bunch of hoops had to be jumped through just to get a text message and even then it was spotty. If a person is on a Verizon mvno and wants to get the phone my advice would be to wait till the newness wears off a little and see if the bugs get ironed out. 645 is cheaper than what I paid. The BB where I live is 779$ over 850.$ after tax for the 64gb model
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I can get a refund and probably will. I have contacted Razer support and they said the first batch of phones that shipped on the 10th wouldn't even work for Verizon. A bunch of hoops had to be jumped through just to get a text message and even then it was spotty. If a person is on a Verizon mvno and wants to get the phone my advice would be to wait till the newness wears off a little and see if the bugs get ironed out. 645 is cheaper than what I paid. The BB where I live is 779$ over 850.$ after tax for the 64gb model
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Thanks for making this thread though. Get that refund and get the phone again down the road. The Oneplus 6 will get CDMA-less verizon support and I hope that works on total wireless. I've had zero problems with it and all my verizon phones work in it. If the LG V40 was notch-less like this phone I'd get that. The pixel phones are a no go because the lack of sdcard support, I like to carry my music with me.
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That's part of the reason I'm waiting on the 128GB model, it only exists on razor's website and clearly there's a showstopping bug.... None of reviewers even talk about it either.
One this review they make a stupid comment about wanting less ram and 128GB the date on it is 10/10/18
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1342...ds-on-now-with-wireless-charging-ip67-and-rgb
I perhaps think that going for a 6GB DRAM / 128 GB storage might be more welcome than the 8GB/64GB configuration however - I wonder exactly what users would need to do in order to hit 8GB of DRAM on a phone.
I've noticed a number of journalists already comment on the price. The last generation was $699, so this one being $799, with the feature changes is perhaps to be expected in a world where $999+ for a flagship device seems to be increasingly the norm.
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Anyways let me know your end result with all this I appreciate it.
Ok update time. By sticking an old T-Mobile SIM in the phone and going in apn menu,if u put Tw apn in then pull out old SIM and put in Tw sim and make sure it's on global with advance lte calling checked I can make and receive calls,and send texts and pics but can't receive texts or pics. Don't know why that is but still working on it.
In 7.0 and above Google has locked apn settings on cdma phones so u have to use a gsm sim to access the app list.It doesn't have to be an active sim,just one that's gsm. Hope this helps anyone that wants this phone or has it and has the same issue as me.
kinglove1211 said:
Ok update time. By sticking an old T-Mobile SIM in the phone and going in apn menu,if u put Tw apn in then pull out old SIM and put in Tw sim and make sure it's on global with advance lte calling checked I can make and receive calls,and send texts and pics but can't receive texts or pics. Don't know why that is but still working on it.
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The texts are being sent to your phone via cdma which the phone does not have the radio for hence the need for cdma-less profile on sim card. How's data for you?
Data is fine. It was before.just before there was no cellular network connection.
kinglove1211 said:
Data is fine. It was before.just before there was no cellular network connection.
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Nobody wants this phone to work on total wireless more than me.. Thank you for the continued updates..
I do have a few questions:
When did you get the phone? The exact date.. Did you have to update the phone or check for updates?
If you read this thread this guy talks about the issue even after Verizon certification on the 25th
https://www.reddit.com/r/razerphone/comments/9qs0ww/verizon_megathread/
volkoff15 said:
5 days ago
Just an FYI to anyone still waiting on their device:
I received my phone today and had no trouble using my existing SIM card. Had no issues getting the LTE network, sending/receiving calls, and sending texts. I did still have the issue of not receiving texts. I jumped on a Verizon support chat, mentioned the CDMA-less fix, and it was applied to my profile. Once that happened, texts started flowing in.
Just wanted to let folks know that this had to be done even after the Verizon certification on the 25th.
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I got the phone on Monday and as soon as I turned it on it updated.No asking if I wanted to just went straight to it. It is fine if you are on Version you can ask for the cdma-less profile but The TW tech manager said she didn't know what that meant and the Verizon tech o spoke to said since I was on a mvno of Verizon that he couldn't do anything for me.I asked if he would explain to the TW person but apparently that was too much to ask for.
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I got the phone on Monday and as soon as I turned it on it updated.No asking if I wanted to just went straight to it. It is fine if you are on Version you can ask for the cdma-less profile but The TW tech manager said she didn't know what that meant and the Verizon tech o spoke to said since I was on a mvno of Verizon that he couldn't do anything for me.I asked if he would explain to the TW person but apparently that was too much to ask for.
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Could the verizon rep still see your account even though is it with total wireless? The TW reps are useless in most cases. and I wouldn't trust them to screw in a light blub. The oneplus 6T will be like the razor phone 2 and require a CDMA-less profile, so TW will have to do something about this down the road. You could port your number to tracfone and probably have everything working., the company that owns tracfone own TW. I've been reading about people porting their number to google voice and forwarding call to whatever provider they are using.
Just a question: Did you add the IMEI number from the razor phone to your totalwireless account either via the web page or phone rep? There has to be a way for total wireless to setup a CDMA-less profile on your phone.
I asked if they could but the tech manager acted like she didn't know what I was talking about. Like if I had asked her if elephants fly. I know it can be done, it's just a matter of finding someone at TW that can and will do it
Well I been on another go around with TW tech support about getting a cdma-less profile and once again get told they have no idea what it is and when I said to consult with Verizon support to find out how to enable it on my account I was told that they could not do that. So I will be switching to H20 or Cricket and taking the phone back and order a OP6T. maybe after a month or 2 I'll go pick one up again.
kinglove1211 said:
Well I been on another go around with TW tech support about getting a cdma-less profile and once again get told they have no idea what it is and when I said to consult with Verizon support to find out how to enable it on my account I was told that they could not do that. So I will be switching to H20 or Cricket and taking the phone back and order a OP6T. maybe after a month or 2 I'll go pick one up again.
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That's interesting...
I just won a op6 off ebay but I found this out about the CDMA-LESS profile
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I got this from the OPO forums, and didn't note the credit to who posted but here's this:
The CDMA-less feature is an available feature, meaning, unless the tech support person sees it as available for the system, he cannot add it. This is why some people get this feature added quickly by tech support and some people cannot. If tech support cannot add the CDMA-less feature, you need to tell them to look up on the network and billing system what the phone is showing up as. In 99% of cases once the IMEI is received, the network updates properly and the phone is registered as a OnePlus 6T but in the billing system it shows up unspecified/unrecognized. In this situation the tech cannot add the CDMA-less feature because he/she cannot see it as available. To verify this, if you login to your Verizon account your phone will not show as a ONEPLUS 6T. This means that there is a discrepancy and when the clueless tech is trying add this CDMA-less feature he/she doesn't see it.
The solution is to ask the Tech person to SYNC the network and billing so that the billing side can also see the phone as a OnePlus 6T. When this is done, and his side is refreshed, the CDMA-LESS feature becomes available. Once it is available, he/she can activate it.
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Quoted above was taken from this thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/9upk4v/6t_verizon_sms_experience/
DortchRules said:
thanks to you,I know what is the problem
thanks a lot
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Are you saying at almost two years after the fact total wireless still can't get it working?
You're Welcome by the way.

I got my mom a Nexus 6

I got my mom an unlocked Nexus 6 a couple years ago, rooted it, flashed debloated software, etc. etc.
She's being told by Verizon that her phone will not work in 2020. Something about the "hardware" of the phone becoming obsolete with the changes that are supposedly going into effect with carrier services.
Is this true? Or is it actually a software thing that I can fix by flashing a newer/aftermarket firmware?
Ha ha ha... A telephone company telling you that you need a new phone? Who would have thought...?
No, total nonsense. Sales pitch. Ignore these flim-flam con artists.
They may be referring to the introduction of 5G, but that won't render the phone useless. You just won't be able to download a movie in ten seconds, but that's not much of an attraction for me at least.
And if by some chance they know something about their network that I don't, wait until the phone actually stops working before getting a new one. And even then consider a different supplier, one which treats their customers with respect and integrity.
Rant mode off...
They could also be referring to the end of 3G service. Phones that don't have LTE will stop working in 2020 as Verizon is reusing the bandwidth for LTE and possibly 5G as well. Since her device was purchased out of network they may not recognize that she has a device with LTE.
The N6 has LTE so you should be fine.
TheCoryGuy said:
I got my mom an unlocked Nexus 6 a couple years ago, rooted it, flashed debloated software, etc. etc.
She's being told by Verizon that her phone will not work in 2020. Something about the "hardware" of the phone becoming obsolete with the changes that are supposedly going into effect with carrier services.
Is this true? Or is it actually a software thing that I can fix by flashing a newer/aftermarket firmware?
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You might consider staying on an Oreo ROM if voice call quality and/or other Volte benefits are important to you. I think there are only 2 available, Lineage 15.1 and Aosip, with the latest security patch. Pie and later ROMs do not support Volte, and the difference in call quality is pretty significant in my humble opinion. I'm interested in any and all comments/opinions on this subject.

Issue with Activating Unlocked US Pixel 5 with T-Mobile

Curious if anyone is using the unlocked Pixel 5 with T-Mobile? I bought the unlocked Pixel 5 from Best Buy today and went to activate it with T-Mobile and they are telling me it doesn't support VoLTE or LTE Extended Range so they can't activate the device?? This is the model I bought: GA01316-US
I have T-Mobile and dropped my sim card from my og Pixel XL into my new phone (same model # as you provided). Works well, no issues at all.
I'm waiting on the arrival of my phone, but there was a message from TMobile a while back about needing a new sim card to use the 5G SA Network. Does anyone know if this applies to Pixel 5?
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I'm no expert on 5g, but the sim card I dropped in my new phone has been around since at least 2014, and I'm getting 5g in Phx.
https://www.t-mobile.com/support/devices/latest-sim-for-great-network-experience
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I also picked up my pixel 5 at a Best Buy in the Chicago area. Getting 5G on T-mobile just fine with a 5 year old sim.
From what I'm reading, Stand Alone is supposed to be better. You need a new Sim card for that. I have 5G everywhere with my old Sim. Probably going to get a new Sim soon
I should mention I'm a Sprint customer but I'm using a T-Mobile SIM in my current iPhone 11. I don't think that should matter though?
I'm curious if you all put your IMEI in T-Mobiles IMEI checker what does it say? When I put mine in for model: GD1YQ it tells me that it's not supported on T-Mobile. I did the same IMEI check for Verizon and AT&T and it checked out fine. This is so weird...
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Curious if anyone is using the unlocked Pixel 5 with T-Mobile? I bought the unlocked Pixel 5 from Best Buy today and went to activate it with T-Mobile and they are telling me it doesn't support VoLTE or LTE Extended Range so they can't activate the device?? This is the model I bought: GA01316-US
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I am.
It's a long story, I won't bore everyone with it. I have replaced (tried to) my Pixel 4 XL on Thursday the 29th, which was running on an eSIM.
I called T-Mobile after work to get a new eSIM downloaded. I wasted six hours of my life with getting an eSIM with absolutely clueless technicians. I was really pissed off, T-Mobile has always been number one in customer service from my experience. They gave up and told me to visit a store to get a physical SIM. Bull****. After I told them no way I was visiting a store they wanted $25.00 US to mail me a SIM. As far as I know, it's still coming, but Customer Service in the US has removed the charges from my upcoming bill, especially after I told them I'm talking to them on a SIM-less device. If do receive the SIM, I will be depositing it in a strong metal container. My trash can.
I called back the next day during normal business hours and the eSIM deal took exactly five minutes to get done, as was my experience with my Pixel 4 XL.
Lesson learned? Hang up and call back during normal business hours to find someone with a clue. Everything you are stating that T-Mobile told you is incorrect.
After speaking with the network engineer, I learned that currently T-Mobile is both 5G SA and NSA, that's how he was seeing my connection and provisioning profile for my account, but should change soon. in some areas and they are migrating to complete SA, I am good to go with my account on with both versions of 5G. Right now NSA isn't quite as fast as SA, in theory, but not reality at this time. If I understood him correctly I was on NSA, which could simply be due to my physical location. Pulling 100Mb/s but the potential is there for 300Mb/s or better.
You can find the distinctions on:
https://www.t-mobile.com/support/devices/latest-sim-for-great-network-experience
Your mileage will vary depending on your area I live and tower proximity, I live in a major city in the US, and I understand they are working with the city's downtown area as priority. He was unfamiliar with which bands the Pixel covers, but it does have the antennae to handle the higher frequencies AT&T and Sprint uses, T-Mobile is using the 600Ghz for the majority of its customers:
https://www.t-mobile.com/support/coverage/t-mobile-network
I put my ~4 year old T-Mobile SIM card in my Pixel 5 and it's working just fine on 5G. The sim was previously in my Pixel 4, Pixel 3 before that, and Pixel 2XL, prior to that.
I didn't know you could buy an unlocked Pixel 5 from BestBuy that wasn't meant to work with Verizon or Sprint. I'm wondering if your "unlocked" phone is really meant for one of those two carriers.
bleez99 said:
I am.
It's a long story, I won't bore everyone with it. I have replaced (tried to) my Pixel 4 XL on Thursday the 29th, which was running on an eSIM.
I called T-Mobile after work to get a new eSIM downloaded. I wasted six hours of my life with getting an eSIM with absolutely clueless technicians. I was really pissed off, T-Mobile has always been number one in customer service from my experience. They gave up and told me to visit a store to get a physical SIM. Bull****. After I told them no way I was visiting a store they wanted $25.00 US to mail me a SIM. As far as I know, it's still coming, but Customer Service in the US has removed the charges from my upcoming bill, especially after I told them I'm talking to them on a SIM-less device. If do receive the SIM, I will be depositing it in a strong metal container. My trash can.
I called back the next day during normal business hours and the eSIM deal took exactly five minutes to get done, as was my experience with my Pixel 4 XL.
Lesson learned? Hang up and call back during normal business hours to find someone with a clue. Everything you are stating that T-Mobile told you is incorrect.
After speaking with the network engineer, I learned that currently T-Mobile is both 5G SA and NSA, that's how he was seeing my connection and provisioning profile for my account, but should change soon. in some areas and they are migrating to complete SA, I am good to go with my account on with both versions of 5G. Right now NSA isn't quite as fast as SA, in theory, but not reality at this time. If I understood him correctly I was on NSA, which could simply be due to my physical location. Pulling 100Mb/s but the potential is there for 300Mb/s or better.
You can find the distinctions on:
https://www.t-mobile.com/support/devices/latest-sim-for-great-network-experience
Your mileage will vary depending on your area I live and tower proximity, I live in a major city in the US, and I understand they are working with the city's downtown area as priority. He was unfamiliar with which bands the Pixel covers, but it does have the antennae to handle the higher frequencies AT&T and Sprint uses, T-Mobile is using the 600Ghz for the majority of its customers:
https://www.t-mobile.com/support/coverage/t-mobile-network
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So maybe try with an esim? If you put your IMEI in T-Mobile IMEI checker does it say it's compatible? This is just so mind boggling to me. I can activate it with Sprint but not with T-Mobile. It's so weird.
Newerabs said:
So maybe try with an esim? If you put your IMEI in T-Mobile IMEI checker does it say it's compatible? This is just so mind boggling to me. I can activate it with Sprint but not with T-Mobile. It's so weird.
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Try getting an eSIM. Eventually, SIM cards will go away as bothersome. Do yourself a favor though, I don't know what your location is, but call T-Mobile during their normal 9-5 business hours. If your call is routed overseas, hang up and call again, or ask to speak to a US based engineer. Please don't take that the wrong way, I found that the outsourced call centers are poorly trained, and cannot perform the simplest of technical tasks. I actually had an argument with an "engineer" when he told me to scan the QR code without activating the EID in their system. Moron. He refused to listen to someone who has some understanding of cellular operations. Then he accused me of not knowing what a QR code is. This is not magic, you cannot just scan the QR code on their website and expect registration without prior entry into the system by EID.
Don't expect the reps at the stores to understand how to set up an eSIM either.
IMEI doesn't matter to T-Mobile at all. When it comes to an eSIM, they do ask you for an EID. The IMEI is either whitelisted after activation or rejected because it's on a "questionable or stolen list" The fact, as far as I understand it, report you phone stolen and the IMEI will become blacklisted. They have the IMEI and the phone is dead to the world. If someone is asking for an IMEI for an eSIM, hang up. Rest assured your IMEI will show up on their systems and your account once your phone is up and running on their network AFTER successful EID based registration.
This is why I find it incredible that people steal phones, when in reality they are stealing a paperweight.
As far as companies like AT&T, they refuse to activate phones if not on their supported list EMEI list, I told them where they can stick their IMEI and walked across the street to T-Mobile after being with AT&T forever. The last straw was refusing to let me use HD voice because didn't purchase the phone from them (IMEI related). Petty, idiotic, they lost a customer. I don't know why I didn't leave AT&T earlier, they refused to activate Nexus and Play Edition phones without a lot of drama.
Here it is, T-Mobile is bring your own device friendly, always has been, that's why IMEI is not relevant to them. AT&T can burn in hell.
Their polices may have changed since then, I wouldn't know, and I don't plan on ever finding out.
sn0warmy said:
I put my ~4 year old T-Mobile SIM card in my Pixel 5 and it's working just fine on 5G. The sim was previously in my Pixel 4, Pixel 3 before that, and Pixel 2XL, prior to that.
I didn't know you could buy an unlocked Pixel 5 from BestBuy that wasn't meant to work with Verizon or Sprint. I'm wondering if your "unlocked" phone is really meant for one of those two carriers.
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I think they have Verizon, ATT, Sprint/TM, Unlocked.
On their web site, Best Buy shows two options. Verizon and Unlocked.
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sn0warmy said:
I put my ~4 year old T-Mobile SIM card in my Pixel 5 and it's working just fine on 5G. The sim was previously in my Pixel 4, Pixel 3 before that, and Pixel 2XL, prior to that.
I didn't know you could buy an unlocked Pixel 5 from BestBuy that wasn't meant to work with Verizon or Sprint. I'm wondering if your "unlocked" phone is really meant for one of those two carriers.
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Actually, the unlocked one from Best Buy works with all carriers. It's no different than the unlocked version you can buy from Google.
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xRogerxC said:
Actually, the unlocked one from Best Buy works with all carriers. It's no different than the unlocked version you can buy from Google.
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That's what's so weird. I don't understand why when I put in the IMEI on T-Mobiles website it says it's not supported. It's just so strange to me. Even when I call T-Mobile and try and activate they tell me it won't work. I think I'm going to go and return and try another one. Maybe I got a dud or something... I don't know how but you never know.
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That's what's so weird. I don't understand why when I put in the IMEI on T-Mobiles website it says it's not supported. It's just so strange to me. Even when I call T-Mobile and try and activate they tell me it won't work. I think I'm going to go and return and try another one. Maybe I got a dud or something... I don't know how but you never know.
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Works just fine. Those guys don't know what their talking about.
My carrier, Spectrum, sells the P5 but won't activate an unlocked P5. At least not now they won't, they said in future they would, no time line.
Multiple ppl I talked all bought it unlocked and just used their old SIM and it works fine, even gets 5G in the areas where its available.
My P5 comes tomorrow and I'm just gonna pop my old SIM in and call it a day.
TokedUp said:
My carrier, Spectrum, sells the P5 but won't activate an unlocked P5. At least not now they won't, they said in future they would, no time line.
Multiple ppl I talked all bought it unlocked and just used their old SIM and it works fine, even gets 5G in the areas where its available.
My P5 comes tomorrow and I'm just gonna pop my old SIM in and call it a day.
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I could not get the IMEI to check with Spectrum. I called them and they are sending me a new SIM. I was told I need a new one for 5G. I will verify I can activate it when I get it. I was able to verify the IMEI with the Verizon check site.

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