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Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Lenovo P2 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

I wonder what sensor the phone is using. The EU version P2A42 is using the Sony IMX258. But the P2C72 (Chinese global version seems to be using the Sony Exmor RS)?

NiTrOwow said:
I wonder what sensor the phone is using. The EU version P2A42 is using the Sony IMX258. But the P2C72 (Chinese global version seems to be using the Sony Exmor RS)?
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Do you have any reference for that info? I didn't see any hardware specs that confirm it.

https://www3.lenovo.com/in/en/smartphones/p-series/Vibe-Lenovo-P2/p/PPIPPIP2C72
it says only Sony camera, but not which one :-/
here http://www.livemint.com/Leisure/JGS...amera-proves-just-megapixels-dont-matter.html it says that it is Sony IMX258

Photos taken by P2 are awful. They have lots of noises even on the lowest ISO and they lack details. Camera is the biggest disadvantage of this smartfone. But I love it anyway because of battery and performance.

lp2yisdfu said:
Do you have any reference for that info? I didn't see any hardware specs that confirm it.
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Strange on kimovil there was other info. The chinese version had a Sony Exmor.
https://www.kimovil.com/en/compare/lenovo-vibe-p2,lenovo-vibe-p2-32gb
Now both are 1:1 the same.. Hmm. But yeah anyways my old phone had a better camera. I was kinda disappointed, and also the software is terrible. It's full of bugs, I will root this sucker soon.

The rear camera is imx258 and the front camera is a ov5695.

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P2's low light camera performance can be noticeably improved!
If your P2 is rooted and you have enabled Camera2 Api, please try yourself a Snap Camera HDR app ( It's avaiable in a Play Store in both Trial and Pro version, you can also find pro version cracked, erm...let's say, in the Internet. )
I've found this guy's guide in the Redmi Note 4 thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-4/themes/google-camerawith-hdr-mido-t3656196/post74676264#post74676264. My phone is running the unofficial LOS 14.1 and...it really makes a diffrence.
Photos are being made for over a second and then about 10 seconds takes processing them (you can made another photo in the meantime).
All of these photos were made without any tripod, sometimes I sat down or leaned against the lamppost/wall but nothing really crazy(maybe 30 photos). Some photos are maybe a bit out of focus after close-up (EDIT: After seeing photos in the laptop I think that photos without "tap to focus" tend to be a bit sharper) and some of them are a little overexpossed after touch-to-focus (They don't after pressing the camera button without tapping to focus before), anyway you can play with a metering area setting(I wasn't), but...see it for yourself.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157690966808425/
The P2 didn't magically became the S8 or the flagship camera but in my opinion photos are acceptable now.
What do you think?

Chlastek said:
If your P2 is rooted and you have enabled Camera2 Api, please try yourself a Snap Camera HDR app ( It's avaiable in a Play Store in both Trial and Pro version, you can also find pro version cracked, erm...let's say, in the Internet. )
I've found this guy's guide in the Redmi Note 4 thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/re...-hdr-mido-t3656196/post74676264#post74676264. My phone is running the unofficial LOS 14.1 and...it really makes a diffrence.
Photos are being made for over a second and then about 10 seconds takes processing them (you can made another photo in the meantime).
All of these photos were made without any tripod, sometimes I sat down or leaned against the lamppost/wall but nothing really crazy(maybe 30 photos). Some photos are maybe a bit out of focus after close-up (EDIT: After seeing photos in the laptop I think that photos without "tap to focus" tend to be a bit sharper) and some of them are a little overexpossed after touch-to-focus (They don't after pressing the camera button without tapping to focus before), anyway you can play with a metering area setting(I wasn't), but...see it for yourself.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157690966808425/
The P2 didn't magically became the S8 or the flagship camera but in my opinion photos are acceptable now.
What do you think?
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Have you tried the Google camera hdr app?

Yes, I have. HDR+ doesn't work.

X-Ray on P40 Pro front camera

After the presentation of the One Plus 8 Pro and its x-ray feature, I have seen that other phones such as the Xiaomi Mi 8 and the Pocophone F1 have the same feature through an app, thanks to its front IR camera. Given that this Huawei P40 Pro has a front IR camera, could it have a similar feature?
https://www.xiaomist.com/2020/05/xiaomi-s-poco-f1-and-mi-8-had-x-ray.html

I hope there will be an application for P40 Pro?

TheAstriX said:
I hope there will be an application for P40 Pro?
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It's seems that the easiest way to test it is from Hardware Test Menu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=80&v=NklzVen8380&feature=emb_logo

Not work bro

So you're talking about infrared images? Like this?
Front cam:
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Main cam:
Both taken with the P40 Pro, and it's real infrared images, no simulations.
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how did you take these??

How?!

Klosterbruder said:
So you're talking about infrared images? Like this?
Both taken with the P40 Pro, and it's real infrared images, no simulations.
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How did you do this?

So here's the magic: You need on external aid, namely an infrared filter for any kind of DSLR or similar cameras.
You'll easily find such filters at Amazon or other online sellers, eBay and the like.
Quite often, there are sets of IR filters with different wavelengths. Everything above 720 nm is less interesting as these kinds of filters result in pure black-and-white images, without any hint of interesting colors.
If you find a single one, go for a 720 nm filter, this is a kind of standard, providing full infrared coverage plus some residual colors making for nice effects like yellow or orange trees and a deep blue sky.
For my pictures, I used a 720 nm filter by "Neewer", a supplyer of cheap but still usable optics accessories. It makes no sense heading for the "quality" filters from "Hoya" and the like: optical quality is a tiny bit better, but it won't make any difference with our P40 Pro. I also use the cheap Neewer filter with my Fujifilm X-T20 (Fujifilm cameras are also quite sensitive to infrared light), with great success.
After you got your filter: You need bright sunlight and a subject with grass and/or leaf trees - these provide the best effects as they appear white in the photo.
Just hold or stick the filter in front of your cameras, make sure there's as less residual light as possible reaching the lenses, also never shoot against the sun (will lead to strong lens flares) ruining the picture.
Focusing is a bit difficult and slow, but manageable. Try to use ISO values up to 800 to lower the longer exposure time needed for infrared shots, still try to keep the ISO as low as possible. The higher the ISO, the more picture noise the sensors produce.
Take care of correct white balance while postprocessing the pictures, the sky should be reddish, grass and foliage should appear bluish-grey. That's the right starting point for IR pictures with some color accents.
If you wish to go for pure black and white pictures, just convert the picture into black and white.
For getting a deep blue sky and yellow foliage, you need to swap two color channels, red and blue.
For everything else, just watch some YouTube videos dealing with infrared photos, you'll find real plenty. Try keywords like "affinity photo infrared" or "infrared photo postprocessing".
If you need specific help, just ask here.

The phone has an IR Depth sensor, not a IR camera.
davidwar said:
After the presentation of the One Plus 8 Pro and its x-ray feature, I have seen that other phones such as the Xiaomi Mi 8 and the Pocophone F1 have the same feature through an app, thanks to its front IR camera. Given that this Huawei P40 Pro has a front IR camera, could it have a similar feature?
https://www.xiaomist.com/2020/05/xiaomi-s-poco-f1-and-mi-8-had-x-ray.html
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spvc500 said:
The phone has an IR Depth sensor, not a IR camera.
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I think that the rear camera has an IR depth sensor, the ToF; but according to some reviews:
"For selfie shooters, the new model offers a dual-camera setup on the front, with the main camera using a 32MP 1/2.74-inch sensor and a 26mm-equivalent lens with f/2.2 aperture. Further, it uses information captured by a secondary infrared (IR) camera for depth sensing in bokeh mode and to support the autofocus and very low light face recognition"
I expected that P40Pro front camera works like as Xiaomi Pocophone and Mi8.
PD: to try the ToF camera download from Aptoide de ToF Viewer apk (0.4.2 version), works fine!

Klosterbruder said:
So you're talking about infrared images? Like this?
Front cam:
Main cam:
Both taken with the P40 Pro, and it's real infrared images, no simulations.
Note: Do NOT full quote including pictures. I won't answer questions accompanied with full quotes.
Note 2: Moderators - I still can't post pictures the regular way (thumbnails at the bottom). Would you please check?
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Man, u r pro.

You can use TOF Viewer app to take photos with the back TOF camera

Low light

At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

I have 3 phones atm - Note 20 Ultra, P30 Pro (global), and Xiaomi Mi Note 9S w/GCAM. I never imagined the N20U would be able to match the camera quality of Mi Note 9S w/ GCAM, however after taking some daytime and also low light photography, N20U takes the best pics out of all three of my phones. Even night mode. However, I don't like the all white balance, and even though you can change that in Pro Mode, when you take pictures in Auto Mode, I hate the color that all Samsung phones give out, and prefer iPhones and Huawei phone color temperatures / hues. Also, there were certain scenarios (although not many), where the P30 Pro or the Note 9S w/GCAM took better pics, but that's expected. N20U took better pics than both of the other phones 75-90% of the time, even night time photography

it's all subjective. You like it 75-90% of the time. It doesn't mean 75-90% of everyone else will like it 75-90% of the time. With camera modules basically being made all by Sony or Samsung, they all look the same. besides, I haven't known anyone to print their pics. it's being compressed or filtered onto VSCO or IG anyway does it really matter? Just take your picture and be happy with it. Unless you have a 99 dollar tracphone, it's the same quality...and even if you do have that $99 tracphone, your grandma can't tell what phone it was taken on when you post it on fb.

skoobz said:
... With camera modules basically being made all by Sony or Samsung, they all look the same ... Unless you have a 99 dollar tracphone, it's the same quality.
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Software & image processing makes an immense difference - hence the constant desperation for broken GCam ports.
As a S20 Ultra owner - that phone has supposedly great hardware but has demonstrably awful image processing in a myriad of everyday situations (it's still way below par compared to its peers, after all the updates).
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On topic, the processing on the Note 20 Ultra is significantly better than my S20U in basically every scenario & camera mode I tried it in, including Low Light (my S20U's photos look like watercolor messes in comparison). The S20U only takes passable images with bright sunlight or sunlight-equivalent indoor lights. It fails miserably at processing images the dimmer the lighting gets, which I didn't find to be a problem on the S20U out-of-the-gate on Auto mode.
Can they bring the software updates to the S20U?

The Note 20 Ultra camera is identical to the S20 Ultra.
Low light on the S20 Ultra is better.
Clearly there needs to be an update for the Note 20 Ultra.
And like the S20 Ultra, it's impossible to take a picture of a document and have clear text across the frame.
Hopefully they go back to the drawing board for the S30 and choose a different sensor/lens combo.
The iPhone 12 camera is going to blow this one away as the 11 Pro is already better.

auto low light example that's lit by LEDs. Not bad.
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skoobz said:
it's all subjective. You like it 75-90% of the time. It doesn't mean 75-90% of everyone else will like it 75-90% of the time. With camera modules basically being made all by Sony or Samsung, they all look the same. besides, I haven't known anyone to print their pics. it's being compressed or filtered onto VSCO or IG anyway does it really matter? Just take your picture and be happy with it. Unless you have a 99 dollar tracphone, it's the same quality...and even if you do have that $99 tracphone, your grandma can't tell what phone it was taken on when you post it on fb.
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Actually even with same cameras and sensors, you can have Vastly different output. Just look at Pixel phones, alot of other manufacturers use the same exact sensor however its the software engineering that makes pixel phones take great pics. You just sound like an argumentative person, I was just providing my personal experience, and never mentioned that other people's experience would be the same

ca12bon said:
Actually even with same cameras and sensors, you can have Vastly different output. Just look at Pixel phones, alot of other manufacturers use the same exact sensor however its the software engineering that makes pixel phones take great pics. You just sound like an argumentative person, I was just providing my personal experience, and never mentioned that other people's experience would be the same
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cool story bro. fact remains, still looks the same when filters are applied and compressed when posted on social media.

Mi 10 Ultra - dimensions needed to clear the ultrawide lens field of view.

FYI, on the Mi 10 Ultra, this should be the clearance you will need to have for phone clamps and gimbals if you don't want them to appear in the shot of the ultrawide camera.
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Phone clamps will have to be mounted off-center to the right.
It's possible that the only way to mount this in a gimbal without getting part of the clamp or gimbal in the shot would likely be to use a tray-style gimbal (not a clamp style ie. DJI Osmo 2/3, Zhiyun Smooth X, Hohem iSteady X, etc.) with a way to offset the phone or add counterweights.
I'm eager to hear about personal experiences with gimbals on this phone though!

We still don't know if the geometric center is the center of gravity though. I wonder if the battery weight could move the center of gravity away from the camera system.
Guess we'll have to wait and see.

neverthemore said:
We still don't know if the geometric center is the center of gravity though. I wonder if the battery weight could move the center of gravity away from the camera system.
Guess we'll have to wait and see.
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The geometric center is almost assuredly not the center of gravity. Most every other phone has the center of gravity towards the charging port (right side in the diagram) but the huge problems with the Mi 10 Ultra are that:
- The ultrawide lens is the lens closest to the center of the phone, which is an incredibly stupid thing for Xiaomi to do. They've done the same on the Mi 9 and other Mi 10 phones as well, so this isn't new or special for Xiaomi. It's a dumb design flaw that has persisted across multiple iterations of their phones.
- The ultrawide lens is the widest ultrawide on any smartphone right now.
- Any infringement on the ultrawide will be occurring on the horizontal side of videos shot in landscape orientation, so you don't be able to crop in without losing a ton of resolution and field of view.

You see why I'm interested in:
neverthemore said:
So, 8k on every lens except for the 2x?
Any info on the bitrate, fps, manual mode for 8k?
Do you think the phone could be balanced on a gimbal and UW be used in 8k?
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And we're back to my solution - shooting in 8k UW, zooming, cropping and producing 4k.
Probably not the best for anyone but I'm currently working that way. Using a phone as a B cam, shooting in 4k and cropping but, as you can imagine, quality is far from perfect.
That's why I so hope Mi 10 ultra shoots high quality UW 8k and gives me some control over the process.

neverthemore said:
You see why I'm interested in:
And we're back to my solution - shooting in 8k UW, zooming, cropping and producing 4k.
Probably not the best for anyone but I'm currently working that way. Using a phone as a B cam, shooting in 4k and cropping but, as you can imagine, quality is far from perfect.
That's why I so hope Mi 10 ultra shoots high quality UW 8k and gives me some control over the process.
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8k is not available on the ultrawide:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/com...c2qct?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

I have been using this for a week and had no problems with it. Exaggeration that u need to hold it awkwardly or fingers will be in the viewfinder.

Thanks for the clarification. Did you try to mount it in a gimbal and shooting UW?

neverthemore said:
Thanks for the clarification. Did you try to mount it in a gimbal and shooting UW?
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I don't have the phone, but just by looking at the measurements I can't imagine how any gimbal could work on this with the ultrawide. If it's not the clamp and roll motor immediately getting into the view, the tilt motor probably would.
I'm also unable to find any videos shot on YouTube with the ultrawide and a gimbal for any of the previous Xiaomi phones with their ultrawide in a similar position on the phone.

I don't understand gimbals much because I never looked into them but based on the above info: when you need a gimbal, would it be possible to attach a removable lead or iron weight to the bottom of the phone to bring the center of gravity way towards that end?

Impossible to use with a gimbal
I bought the mi 10 ultra due to the wider opening angle of the market in wide camera. I tested all the shooting modes and in all of them there is a specific phone stabilization system EXCEPT the video made with the wide camera, which makes the use of the gimbal mandatory if you want a stable video. But the wide camera is in the MIDDLE of the device, that is, the arm and the motor of the gimbal cover all the video on the right side of the scene. Some users are saying to crop the video, but crop videos do not require the gimbal, yet if you want to use it, the gimbal still appears.

mfmach said:
I bought the mi 10 ultra due to the wider opening angle of the market in wide camera. I tested all the shooting modes and in all of them there is a specific phone stabilization system EXCEPT the video made with the wide camera, which makes the use of the gimbal mandatory if you want a stable video. But the wide camera is in the MIDDLE of the device, that is, the arm and the motor of the gimbal cover all the video on the right side of the scene. Some users are saying to crop the video, but crop videos do not require the gimbal, yet if you want to use it, the gimbal still appears.
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Which gimbal are you using??

General New trial update improve camera overall

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Feels like they also improved overall shutter speed. Pics of moving objects look better now.

What a massive camera-focused update even if the size of the build isn't that big - just installed it from a UK device.
I'm going on holiday tomorrow (to the coast up North) so I'll be sure to take a few zoom pics again and will upload some photos in the other thread.

The refocus portrait photo in Album now works for me.

There is a now an ultra stabilization in video for the ultra wide angle lens, you select ultra stabization as normal which uses the normal wide lens and then there is a new icon on screen called Super Anti Shake Pro (icon P) this gives you better stabilization than normal for the ultra wide lens.

hirsti said:
There is a now an ultra stabilization in video for the ultra wide angle lens, you select ultra stabization as normal which uses the normal wide lens and then there is a new icon on screen called Super Anti Shake Pro (icon P) this gives you better stabilization than normal for the ultra wide lens.
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Like my old x70 PP with Gimbal on the Ultra wide .. Same setting

hirsti said:
There is a now an ultra stabilization in video for the ultra wide angle lens, you select ultra stabization as normal which uses the normal wide lens and then there is a new icon on screen called Super Anti Shake Pro (icon P) this gives you better stabilization than normal for the ultra wide lens.
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I dont see that option

Long range zoom shots look better

So this is not part of the official 20.1 update that just released?

Haskren said:
So this is not part of the official 20.1 update that just released?
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No that's the next trial version.

Seems us in the UK don't have trial access for some reason

Haskren said:
Seems us in the UK don't have trial access for some reason
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This time I got the update same time as people here. Busy with work so I haven't checked yet

Haskren said:
Seems us in the UK don't have trial access for some reason
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Yes we do I got it yesterday

rsr1 said:
Yes we do I got it yesterday
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Odd why some of us are left out. Trials are not made available on my phone.
Any idea why this is happening?

It would be hard to compare differences without a side by side comparison, before and after the upgrade.
Video stabilization seems improved, for the rest I don t see differences...

Haskren said:
Odd why some of us are left out. Trials are not made available on my phone.
Any idea why this is happening?
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You need to catch the time window when update is available in trial. It might be a day, it might be an evening. After that you won't get it anymore, wait for main update channel.
And then, if you are absolutely sure trial is on right now, you sometimes need to check it repeatedly few times, 'cause server connection is usually poor when trial starts and everyone is downloading it. This time it took me like 10 minutes to get the update downloading.