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hi,
I ordered a new Z3+ to replace my Xperia TX. The recent issues about slow speeds compared to the Z3 and the overheating has me worried that the Z3+ is not equal in quality to the Z3. Should I still get the phone ?
The S810 has a known heating problem, with the newer revision in the One Plus Two, rev 2.1 offers slightly tuned performance and improved temps. While I don't know if you should get this phone I would say throttle is a given with S810 chips in any phone.
For such a chip to be cooled you need better thermal padding, and definitely a larger chassis to dissipate heat...neither can be achieved in super slim phones, but a tablet could.
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I had 6 back to back antutu runs. First score was 52K & last three were 46K. I didn't see any abrupt drop in performance. The phone didn't overheat as well. The only area that gets 'warm' (not 'hot') is the bottom part directly underneath the google search bar (if you place it at the top of the screen right under the navigation drawer). That part never gets touched by my fingers in portrait mode & landscape mode. Also don't forget to get the firmware update that came out yesterday.
aindriu80 said:
hi,
I ordered a new Z3+ to replace my Xperia TX. The recent issues about slow speeds compared to the Z3 and the overheating has me worried that the Z3+ is not equal in quality to the Z3. Should I still get the phone ?
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http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...n-810-is-causing-xperia-z3-overheating-issues
I would steer clear of this phone myself, maybe wait for the Z5??
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I had 6 back to back antutu runs. First score was 52K & last three were 46K.
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Hm? Much lower than a Tegra K1, very close to the S808, and too far from the Exynos. If that's the score Sony might've throttled it aggressively with that update, since S810 usually scores 60K+. Of course, you should use a reliable benchmark like Geekbench 3 instead.
Also CPU Z can show you whether it was under clocked or not.
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Thanks for the replies ! I guess the heating and speed issue is the same thing. Hopefully the software update will reduce the heat and at least keep the speed equal to the Z3. I think I will still get the Z3+, my TX is too slow and only 16b internal storage
Geekbench 3 is good for cross-platform benchmarking. It's pointless to use it to compare android phones based on identical a57/a53 arch. So Antutu, GB 3 along with CPU-Z (what a buggy mess, Z3+ is clocked at 1.96/1.56 GHz by the way) are garbage and I personally don't care about the scores. Also M9 has a 'high performance' mode. Sony doesn't have it. M9 should score higher on benchmarks, not in real life though.
I posted those scores to answer OP's question - Does it 'overheat' ? No, It doesn't. CPU scores from any back to back benchmark runs would have dropped sharply if there was any overheating.
It's not the same question as - Does it throttle? Next question - 'How much throttling is there?' That's why I gave a range 52-46K. So maximum drop you'd get is around 10% That's very comparable to any other device in the market.
Hello Xda-ians,does anyone know the difference between the processors of MI5 variants.As the processor of the 32gb variant is clocked at 1.8 ghz and rest of the two variants are clocked at 2.1 ghz i want to know that whether the 32gb variant processor is only underclocked or is there any difference in architecture also
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Hello Xda-ians,does anyone know the difference between the processors of MI5 variants.As the processor of the 32gb variant is clocked at 1.8 ghz and rest of the two variants are clocked at 2.1 ghz i want to know that whether the 32gb variant processor is only underclocked or is there any difference in architecture also
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They are technically the same chip, just lower quality and as such they are underclocked. (someone please correct me if that's wrong)
I've got the 32GB 1.8GHz variant and have found it to be extremely fast. With a custom kernel we might be able to squeeze a little more juice out of too. Really looking forward to that.
Pretty sure they're the exact same chip just underclocked. Correct ME if I'm wrong.
if they are lower-binned chips, besides being underclocked, they could have higher voltages to maintain stable work on each of frequency steps.
Sorry for pushing this old thread.
I searched the Internet but didnt found any information to this subject. Anyone knows more about it meanwhile?
I dont want to buy the 32gb version if it means worse battery life.
I can't tell you much in a very scientific manner. However, I bought this phone following a recommendation from a friend. He has the 32gb underclocked version whereas I got the 128gb on sale . We compare numbers often and with similar usage, at the end of the day I have maybe 10% more battery left.
Again, this is very unscientific - for example, I don't have the Facebook app installed, whereas he does, and the battery menu points that app as a heavy battery drain.
We do have similar soc and data/Wi-Fi usage, if that helps.
Thanks for your answer, there doesnt seem to be a large difference in sot between the two variants, im getting around 10 hours sot.
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Thanks for your answer, there doesnt seem to be a large difference in sot between the two variants, im getting around 10 hours sot.
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10h sot ?? which rom and which kernel ?? I usually get around 5-6h sot.
I used my wife's Note 9 (Snapdragon - ATT ) and ran ANTUTU Benchmarks for grins and giggles and the phone got a score of about 284,000 - very respectable.
When I received my N960F - a Note 9 from Clove in the UK, I ran the same Benchmark from ANTUTU and the best score I could get was 236,000 - a HUGE difference.
I really expected more parity between those phones and wonder why there is such a big difference? Is the Exynos Process that far behond Snapdragon's latest?
(I know these benchmarks don't mean much - but just the same, after spending nearly a grand on this phone, I would have expected better)
Any thoughts?
same chips but on the S9. should give you an idea
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I used my wife's Note 9 (Snapdragon - ATT ) and ran ANTUTU Benchmarks for grins and giggles and the phone got a score of about 284,000 - very respectable.
When I received my N960F - a Note 9 from Clove in the UK, I ran the same Benchmark from ANTUTU and the best score I could get was 236,000 - a HUGE difference.
I really expected more parity between those phones and wonder why there is such a big difference? Is the Exynos Process that far behond Snapdragon's latest?
(I know these benchmarks don't mean much - but just the same, after spending nearly a grand on this phone, I would have expected better)
Any thoughts?
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What are your thoughts on battery life between the 2?
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What are your thoughts on battery life between the 2?
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great question but I haven't used either long enough to really get a sense for it - On first blush, battery seems similar on both - I can easliy get thru an entire day without charging - though I find myself automatically placing my phone in my wireless charger from time to time because I have always had to - I think I can break myself of that habit though - will play around a bit more on both and see how they fair in a comparison of daily use....
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same chips but on the S9. should give you an idea
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What are your thoughts on battery life between the 2?
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great question but I haven't used either long enough to really get a sense for it - On first blush, battery seems similar on both - I can easliy get thru an entire day without charging - though I find myself automatically placing my phone in my wireless charger from time to time because I have always had to - I think I can break myself of that habit though - will play around a bit more on both and see how they fair in a comparison of daily use....
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Did Samsung work on the kernel sources to improve the Exynos 9810's efficiency and performance to be on par with Snapdragon 845 ?
The answer is "NO".
Looks like the the tides have turned recently in favor of the snapdragon chipset.
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Did Samsung work on the kernel sources to improve the Exynos 9810's efficiency and performance to be on par with Snapdragon 845 ?
The answer is "NO".
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I know and I don't understand why. I think Exynos could be as good or better than the Snapdragon - but for some reason - it lags behind...
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I know and I don't understand why. I think Exynos could be as good or better than the Snapdragon - but for some reason - it lags behind...
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Could the Exynos 9810 be better in the s9/s9+/Note 9? - Probably to an extent working on the kernel but would still be behind the SD.
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great question but I haven't used either long enough to really get a sense for it - On first blush, battery seems similar on both - I can easliy get thru an entire day without charging - though I find myself automatically placing my phone in my wireless charger from time to time because I have always had to - I think I can break myself of that habit though - will play around a bit more on both and see how they fair in a comparison of daily use....
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Thanks. Look forward to hearing from you
Snapdragon Note 9 : Will Allow you to Play FASTER Gamecube/Wii/PSP Emulation. But Will not allow you to install custom roms or root your device.
Exynos Note : Will not play gamecube/Wii Games Smoothly but will allow you to install custom rom.
Personally if I didn't want Wii/Gamecube emulation, I would have easily bought exynos.
Ok in synthetic benchmarks such as antutu the 845 gets a higher score because of the better graphics processor. When it comes to the cpu side of things the 9810 is at least as good and sometimes better.
Cool Person said:
Snapdragon Note 9 : Will Allow you to Play FASTER Gamecube/Wii/PSP Emulation.But Will not allow you to install custom roms or root your device.
Exynos Note : Will not play gamecube/Wii Games Smoothly but will allow you to install custom rom.
Personally if I didn't want Wii/Gamecube emulation, I would have easily bought exynos.
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dolphin emulation on both chipsets recently took a massive jump forward. exynos included.
you can root on international snapdragon variants of the Note 9. I believe China has unlocked snapdragon. I've heard chit chat mentioning Canada as well, fact check these yourself tho.
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Ok in synthetic benchmarks such as antutu the 845 gets a higher score because of the better graphics processor. When it comes to the cpu side of things the 9810 is at least as good and sometimes better.
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Aha, but then the real world performance of the sd is far better than the exynos + it's more efficient leading to a lot better battery life + the modem is better. Then you throw in a GPU that is literally another class in a phone that potentially will be used also for gaming and this year a lot of heavy games were released with vastly different experience on the two variants (last year samsung got a free pass on their lossy g71 mp20 as no heavy games released, not the case this year and it's shaping more to release frequently in the future).
g72 mp18 can't even come close to the PREVIOUS year sd 835 in real world gaming. sd 845 benefits heavily from the note 9 cooling as it had some thermal restrictions and sustain performance was close to the sd 835 one (still far better than g72 mp18 sustain for both snapdragons), while the mali GPU doesn't benefit that much from the new cooling, the GPU is just slow.
In Europe we actually pay more for that phone, 1000 euros are not equal to 1000 us dollars, all that while we get a SOC that is between midrange and highend instead of the highend one that is for the US market. Previous years the exynos was better (galaxy s7 for example), but the difference between the two variants were never that big as this year.
Edit: check the other real world benchmarks like pcmark, browser benchmarks and so on - the sd variant wipes the floor with the exynos. Still, benches are not all, sadly the real world difference is also there and noticeable.
Again if you look at the geek bench scores for cpu (android central, did a comparison) the cpu side of the exynos 9810 outperformed the 845. I would agree when factoring in the 845 graphics the overall score of the 845 is better. Again you would be VERY hard pressed to notice the difference in the real world. And there is zero lag on either of these variants I found.
I know people in the industry and alot of the perceived difference is due to the scheduler for the 9810 not being as optimised as for the 845. Rule on the street is that Sammy will redress this soon with an update.
Also the woolfson DAC on the exynos provides a better quality audio experience and fuller sound stage than that of the aqstic DAC on the 845.
Again the difference is slim. I've noticed zero lag even on fortnite.
Reast assured both chips ate brutes. After all both the 845 and 9810 are currently fabricated/manufactured by samsung.
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Again if you look at the geek bench scores for cpu (android central, did a comparison) the cpu side of the exynos 9810 outperformed the 845. I would agree when factoring in the 845 graphics the overall score of the 845 is better. Again you would be VERY hard pressed to notice the difference in the real world. And there is zero lag on either of these variants I found.
I know people in the industry and alot of the perceived difference is due to the scheduler for the 9810 not being as optimised as for the 845. Rule on the street is that Sammy will redress this soon with an update.
Also the woolfson DAC on the exynos provides a better quality audio experience and fuller sound stage than that of the aqstic DAC.
Again the difference is slim. I've noticed zero lag even on fortnite.
Reast assured both chips ate brutes. After all both the 845 and 9810 are currently fabricated/manufactured by samsung.
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It's a lot more complicated than a simple scheduler and if it was going to be fixed, it was going to be fixed for the note 9 launch as it's a good few months from the s9/s9+ release with the same SOC (that is a lot in the fast moving forward mobile industry). Most likely they won't do any improvements even in future major android releases. Geekbench score is peak performance on burst load tasks, it's not counting task migrations, frequency scaling, cores hotpluging and so on. There are good articles for the 9810 in anandtech, how it can be improved, why it can not be improved beyond given point, but they are kinda techy and not easy to read if you are not into it.
tl:dr The CPU cores are great, but has some flaws and everything around them is sh*t (sorry for my language, but yeah). The DAC is great tho, this is totally true.
For the GPU part there are a lot of materials about adreno 630 vs g72 mp18 with actual stats like max fps, min fps, FPS stability and so on. Fortnite will run ok, but on the sd845 it can run maxed out fluently (for the most part). Also when one spend 1000 euro, he should think about future proving and gaming is moving fast forward this year. If you game on your phone, it's kinda a bummer to settle for lower GFX settings on one of the most expensive phones this year, if you want smooth experience.
Not saying the exynos is super bad, it's not, but it's not on par with the sd845.
Again you would be hard pressed to notice the difference. Both variants are perfectly fine so everyone buy either with confidence.
It's not true, marvel strike force is unplayable on exynos version
9810 user here and i have to limit the exynos speed for it to get to a day. This sucks. I paid usd1000 but need to turn pn battery saver every morning
No rows written here reflect the reality. Just snapdragon users happy with their chipset. Another report on the S9 test that is outdated. The smallest SOT with exynos is 7h with only mobile data. Who does not know how to use an android or uses it as a playstation is his job. For a normal user it's great.
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9810 user here and i have to limit the exynos speed for it to get to a day. This sucks. I paid usd1000 but need to turn pn battery saver every morning
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I don't even have to do that with my Note 8. You can likely squeeze more out of it, but a lot depends on usage patterns of course.
The early reviews seem to be mixed. Has anyone managed to source two together to give a verdict what is the latest and greatest amongst the two in all aspects not just performance.
CPU seems similar, GPU better on the SD. Exynos won't be similar on GPU until it gets AMD GPU next year.
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CPU seems similar, GPU better on the SD. Exynos won't be similar on GPU until it gets AMD GPU next year.
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Once it gets the AMD GPU it will destroy the Snapdragon and possibly finally level up with the Apple. Maybe not CPU wise, but definitely on the GPU front against Apple.
Edit. Wrong thread. Apologies.
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This man is not accurate because the test he ran only on one device by his own and he let another person to perform same test on that person's device then he compared both even though the one with Exynos 2100 was set to QHD and the one with SD888 was set to FHD only!! I mean this could impact the tests negatively!! The test conditions should be exactly the same!!
Listen to this guy, he is from HK and he've got the Snapdragon 888, in this video at 3:38 he mention that he don't understand how the american youtubers claims a 1.5 day battery life while his own experience in much less than that (almost half of that) .. so many youtubers unfortunately lies about the battery life and obviously this fool people who buys that device with Snapdragon 888, many of them put the phone only on Wi-Fi and not on cellular, it's not good and not nice when they claim something which is so badly incorrect. Note that BEN from the video below is using the phone with a SIM card, not with wi-fi only!
Review for SD888
nightoooo said:
This man is not accurate because the test he ran only on one device by his own and he let another person to perform same test on that person's device then he compared both even though the one with Exynos 2100 was set to QHD and the one with SD888 was set to FHD only!! I mean this could impact the tests negatively!! The test conditions should be exactly the same!!
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Where is the source for your info?
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Where is the source for your info?
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So in all fairness, I did go back and look at the speed test video he did between the two and noticed a few things
Looks like different people kicking off the tests (based on the table they are on and skin colour).
SD is in aeroplane mode and Exynos is connected to cellular but no wifi/mobile data.
Resolutions are very slightly different, but both look like they are in FHD, but the SD has a slightly lower resolution as the navigation bar is different and makes the screen slightly smaller. QHD makes a minimal difference to battery life unless you're doing something GPU intensive.
In all fairness, I've seen mixed reviews of both chips, but no idea how people are setting up their phones (always do a clean install!!!). Have to wait and see how it performs when the phone arrives.
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So in all fairness, I did go back and look at the speed test video he did between the two and noticed a few things
Looks like different people kicking off the tests (based on the table they are on and skin colour).
SD is in aeroplane mode and Exynos is connected to cellular but no wifi/mobile data.
Resolutions are very slightly different, but both look like they are in FHD, but the SD has a slightly lower resolution as the navigation bar is different and makes the screen slightly smaller. QHD makes a minimal difference to battery life unless you're doing something GPU intensive.
In all fairness, I've seen mixed reviews of both chips, but no idea how people are setting up their phones (always do a clean install!!!). Have to wait and see how it performs when the phone arrives.
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Have you gone for snapdragon or exynos. I am on the fence for buying either and can't decide. Not enough reliable info but if its anything like last year then I would rather import 888 into the UK.
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Have you gone for snapdragon or exynos. I am on the fence for buying either and can't decide. Not enough reliable info but if its anything like last year then I would rather import 888 into the UK.
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I pre-ordered the Exynos, trade in deal for my s10+ was good and I was in the market for some earbuds anyway.
I won't send my current phone in until I'm happy, 28 days should be enough to determine if the Ultra is worth keeping or not. (although won't get much of a chance to test out and about!).
I have considered SDs in the past, just a bit concerned about replacing it via insurance if it gets damaged (have to take it to a Samsung store). Seems like this year the SD isn't worth the hassle unless you constantly play demanding games which I don't. I would wait for the AMD S22, but I'm too impatient/tech whore sooooo couldn't wait.
The problem for me is trying to avoid Chinese phones (for ethical reasons), doesn't leave much choice!
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So in all fairness, I did go back and look at the speed test video he did between the two and noticed a few things
Looks like different people kicking off the tests (based on the table they are on and skin colour).
SD is in aeroplane mode and Exynos is connected to cellular but no wifi/mobile data.
Resolutions are very slightly different, but both look like they are in FHD, but the SD has a slightly lower resolution as the navigation bar is different and makes the screen slightly smaller. QHD makes a minimal difference to battery life unless you're doing something GPU intensive.
In all fairness, I've seen mixed reviews of both chips, but no idea how people are setting up their phones (always do a clean install!!!). Have to wait and see how it performs when the phone arrives.
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Thanks a lot of sparing me time to get the info again, obviously the differences are there and i get so sick of people claiming they are doing something huge while they just needs to get more publicity than giving the pure truth to everyone!!
For my opinion, i will not accept any of the videos to let me purchase or not the S21 Ultra, because they always run the phone in "lab" conditions, not real conditions that could affect the whole experience!
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Have you gone for snapdragon or exynos. I am on the fence for buying either and can't decide. Not enough reliable info but if its anything like last year then I would rather import 888 into the UK.
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I was in the same seat of you, not sure to get the Exynos 2100 in Sweden or i go for SD888 from HK. I have today S20 Ultra Snapdragon model and very happy with its performance & battery life but not the camera with the auto-focus issues and also for the macro pictures. So i was looking at all tests, feedbacks, reviews, i am now more sure that Exynos 2100 is for me this time because of the battery life and also the good performance, i know the GPU is weaker but for my part, battery life is more important, so with SD888 and its bad battery life there is no reason to buy it, i don't play games with my phones so i will be fine with Exynos 2100!
BTW, the Exynos 2100 gives me what i need, from full support for 5G network as my carrier has kicked off here in Sweden unlike the SD888 which lacks the important Band 40 and 42! Also the SD888 lacks the eSIM functionality!
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I was in the same seat of you, not sure to get the Exynos 2100 in Sweden or i go for SD888 from HK. I have today S20 Ultra Snapdragon model and very happy with its performance & battery life but not the camera with the auto-focus issues and also for the macro pictures. So i was looking at all tests, feedbacks, reviews, i am now sure that Exynos 2100 is for me this time because of the battery life and also the good performance, i know the GPU is weaker but for my part battery life is more important, so with SD888 and bad battery time, there is no reason for me to buy it, i don't play games with my phones so i will be fine with Exynos 2100 for now.
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I have been watching Gary's videos as well. Its a close call this time and I don't play games on the phone. Leaning towards exynos due to warranty and not having to import plus buds and tag as freebies etc. Just conscious of what happened last year and the difference was huge. Also samsung is not selling mmwave snapdragon or exynos outside of the US which is mean as mmwave is only a year or two away from landing in Europe. Why not treat all of its customers equally! I think with the recent history snapdragon had a novelty factor to it but others are catching up. Let's hope snapdragon doesn't become intel of mobile world.
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Thanks a lot of sparing me time to get the info again, obviously the differences are there and i get so sick of people claiming they are doing something huge while they just needs to get more publicity than giving the pure truth to everyone!!
For my opinion, i will not accept any of the videos to let me purchase or not the S21 Ultra, because they always run the phone in "lab" conditions, not real conditions that could affect the whole experience!
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Yea it's not exactly like for like but can't imagine it makes loads of difference. I'm also more fussed about battery life, so will test it once I get it and see how it goes, battery life is just so dependent on personal usage, although I will say Phonebuff do a better job of testing, i.e. standby times and such, which gives a better idea of relative performance.
Andrei from Anandtech does really good reviews as well, but so in-depth that they don't usually release in time for pre-order
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I have been watching Gary's videos as well. Its a close call this time and I don't play games on the phone. Leaning towards exynos due to warranty and not having to import plus buds and tag as freebies etc. Just conscious of what happened last year and the difference was huge. Also samsung is not selling mmwave snapdragon or exynos outside of the US which is mean as mmwave is only a year or two away from landing in Europe. Why not treat all of its customers equally! I think with the recent history snapdragon had a novelty factor to it but others are catching up. Let's hope snapdragon doesn't become intel of mobile world.
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Yes, for sure you are getting 2 years warranty with Exynos 2100 in UK (i think) because we get that in Sweden too, additionally you are getting the pre booking freebies (Galaxy Buds Pro + Smart Tag), then you don't need to compare Exynos 2100 with the extremely bad Exynos 990 because the CPU is exactly the same as in SD888.
Regarding the MMwave, i don't care about it right now as it is not implemented yet in the networks here in Sweden, but i do have full 5G support for the rest of the bands which give me an advantage when the 4G is fully loaded.
I think Snapdragon will not be the intel of mobile world because Samsung is getting AMD help and involvement in the coming products, this will change the game!
This e sim is really important as you can add profiles without the need for physical sims. I had double checked this with HK version and it does not seem to be on the spec sheet. Yes band 40 will be gold once o2 pull their finger out in the UK for 5g. I think the decision is made for me that its going to be exynos for me plus also get samsung pay to work which is really handy for store cards. I'm using s9+ now and I don't know how uncomfortable the size of s21 ultra will be!
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So in all fairness, I did go back and look at the speed test video he did between the two and noticed a few things
Looks like different people kicking off the tests (based on the table they are on and skin colour).
SD is in aeroplane mode and Exynos is connected to cellular but no wifi/mobile data.
Resolutions are very slightly different, but both look like they are in FHD, but the SD has a slightly lower resolution as the navigation bar is different and makes the screen slightly smaller. QHD makes a minimal difference to battery life unless you're doing something GPU intensive.
In all fairness, I've seen mixed reviews of both chips, but no idea how people are setting up their phones (always do a clean install!!!). Have to wait and see how it performs when the phone arrives.
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What would you consider a clean install? Can you import settings from your samsung profile? I generally don't transfer with the USB, but I download all my apps after the phone is booted up from the original install. Only after the phone boots up and finishes the setup do I get the apps from the play store.
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What would you consider a clean install? Can you import settings from your samsung profile? I generally don't transfer with the USB, but I download all my apps after the phone is booted up from the original install. Only after the phone boots up and finishes the setup do I get the apps from the play store.
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I would start fresh, download apps manually, most have a cloud back up that they use themselves to restore once they are installed. From a settings perspective I'd do that all again fresh and let the system determine sleeping applications etc.
Basically avoid smart switch!
Tbh it's a good sort of audit process to work out which apps you have that you don't even use anymore
I don't think I was prepared for quite how big this phone is dwarfs my s10+ in size and weight
I know there are already a few threads for the same discussion ,
But I am making this thread for a healthy discussion on what's better between Snapdragon 888 and Exynos 2100 after the latest software updates for both models .
There are youtube reviews that are contradictory to each other
1) Mrwhosetheboss says Snapdragon is way better and Exynos is heating like crazy.
Also in camera sd>exynos
2) The tech chap on the other hand says Exynos to be faster and cooler .
Let's discuss
I am planning to buy the s21 ultra over the OnePlus 9 pro just because I am getting it at the same price as OnePlus 9 pro ,
Also the software on OnePlus is always going to be buggy and an update to fix one issue will create more bugs .
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I know there are already a few threads for the same discussion ,
But I am making this thread for a healthy discussion on what's better between Snapdragon 888 and Exynos 2100 after the latest software updates for both models .
There are youtube reviews that are contradictory to each other
1) Mrwhosetheboss says Snapdragon is way better and Exynos is heating like crazy.
Also in camera sd>exynos
2) The tech chap on the other hand says Exynos to be faster and cooler .
Let's discuss
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After my experience with the Exynos, I'm far more inclined to believe the Tech Chap. I've had no issues with thermal throttling, and my phone sits most of the time at between 28 and 32 degrees when being used under normal circumstances (browsing, light camera use etc). I've also run the benchmarks he ran and got pretty much the same results. I'm very happy with it.
I strongly suspect that boss geezer just had bad luck and picked up an Exynos model with a bad SOC. The difference between the two is he didn't buy another to rule that out.
Beefheart said:
After my experience with the Exynos, I'm far more inclined to believe the Tech Chap. I've had no issues with thermal throttling, and my phone sits most of the time at between 28 and 32 degrees when being used under normal circumstances (browsing, light camera use etc). I've also run the benchmarks he ran and got pretty much the same results. I'm very happy with it.
I strongly suspect that boss geezer just had bad luck and picked up an Exynos model with a bad SOC. The difference between the two is he didn't buy another to rule that out.
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What's the ambient temperature in your area?
aj7400 said:
What's the ambient temperature in your area?
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Like both Youtubers in this thread, I'm in England so it's not hot at the moment.
Ambient temp makes a difference, but my experience of mobile phones in the UK over the last 25+ years, not massively so.
Beefheart said:
Like both Youtubers in this thread, I'm in England so it's not hot at the moment.
Ambient temp makes a difference, but my experience of mobile phones in the UK over the last 25+ years, not massively so.
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I live in a area where the temperatures are like 40°C for like 8 months and 10°C for 4 months ..
At 40°C ambient temps even apple iphones break their sweat and throttle.
aj7400 said:
I live in a area where the temperatures are like 40°C for like 8 months and 10°C for 4 months ..
At 40°C ambient temps even apple iphones break their sweat and throttle.
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You say even Apple iPhones but they're dogs**t when it comes to thermal dissipation, in particular the more recent ones.
All I can say is that this phone is no worse than any others I've had when it comes to thermals, and seems to be better than most of them.
After I contemplated a lot, I went for it and purchased the EXYNOS version as I live in Europe and the Snapdragon seems to be Single SIM, so no point ordering it from Amazon.
Mrwhostheboss either had a faulty unit or at the time of his video, the update he put wasn't enough to fix the software issues.
Mine works fine, no overheating (gets a bit warm when doing heavier tasks, ~22c ambient room temps), no camera problems or glitches, all seems good. The camera quality is pretty fine too, although it did definitely improve further after I installed the last update. When I tested the camera out of the box, it was all weird.
Battery life for me is quite fine as well. At the time of writing this message I got SOT 1h45m and battery is at 78%. Plenty of apps installed, Dual SIMs active. AOD active.
I also have the Dr. Ketan ROM with root, AFWall and etc. So I slightly debloated the useless stuff.
I am satisfied with the EXYNOS, and although I have no way to test them next to each other, I'm sure that If the SNAP is better in some ways, it is NOT in others, like NO DUAL SIM.... And for sure if there is anything left to fix on the EXYNOS, they will fix it with the upcoming updates.
But again, if you buy an EXYNOS, make sure you do it right. Start it, install all your apps, make sure you update it to the latest firmware version and then start testing it. If it has problems, factory reset it and return it for a new one.
Good luck!!!
babyboy3265 said:
After I contemplated a lot, I went for it and purchased the EXYNOS version as I live in Europe and the Snapdragon seems to be Single SIM, so no point ordering it from Amazon.
Mrwhostheboss either had a faulty unit or at the time of his video, the update he put wasn't enough to fix the software issues.
Mine works fine, no overheating (gets a bit warm when doing heavier tasks, ~22c ambient room temps), no camera problems or glitches, all seems good. The camera quality is pretty fine too, although it did definitely improve further after I installed the last update. When I tested the camera out of the box, it was all weird.
Battery life for me is quite fine as well. At the time of writing this message I got SOT 1h45m and battery is at 78%. Plenty of apps installed, Dual SIMs active. AOD active.
I also have the Dr. Ketan ROM with root, AFWall and etc. So I slightly debloated the useless stuff.
I am satisfied with the EXYNOS, and although I have no way to test them next to each other, I'm sure that If the SNAP is better in some ways, it is NOT in others, like NO DUAL SIM.... And for sure if there is anything left to fix on the EXYNOS, they will fix it with the upcoming updates.
But again, if you buy an EXYNOS, make sure you do it right. Start it, install all your apps, make sure you update it to the latest firmware version and then start testing it. If it has problems, factory reset it and return it for a new one.
Good luck!!!
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In india there is nothing as return ..
Once paid the device is yours till it has some major issues and they are just repaired ,
Unfortunately We cannot return it for a refund here in india .
That is why thinking twice before buying .
I have no overheating problems with my Exynos unit. Phone idles at around 25-30degC.
Yo bro,
Listen, avoid YouTube reviews. Bro these ppl are just benefiting from these kindda arguments and stuff.
I had the s21 ultra 512 and i sold it coz i have literally watched every single review out there and was too worried i might have been scammed or made the wrong choice.
After talking to some ppl here i bought it again and this time i made sure i cleared my search history lol and never ever to watch a thing.
It is not SD888 but it is close, it has good battery, cameras are barely any difference between them. If you game a lot you should really just buy a different phone just for gaming.
The screen is phenomenal.
Bro i live in Kuwait, temps here reach 55°....until now i have not experienced any extreme heating issues.
My advice to you, don't listen to anything, the device is amazing...yes it lacks behind the SD888 but for me it's the better pick.. i get warranty for a year and a trade on later or i can even sell it and not lose while the imported is basically non sellable here.
So weigh things out and decide, once you decide do not regret. Do not hesitate it's just a phone, if you have a slight doubt avoid it and wait for a different phone.
Goodluck.
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I know there are already a few threads for the same discussion ,
But I am making this thread for a healthy discussion on what's better between Snapdragon 888 and Exynos 2100 after the latest software updates for both models .
There are youtube reviews that are contradictory to each other
1) Mrwhosetheboss says Snapdragon is way better and Exynos is heating like crazy.
Also in camera sd>exynos
2) The tech chap on the other hand says Exynos to be faster and cooler .
Let's discuss
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Camera has improved on the exynos with updates, personally I still feel low light video and photos are just ok, but anything in decent light is great, and I don't have anything other than a pixel 3 to compare to, so not a fair fight as the camera tech on that is old.
In regards to the video, mr whos the boss was using antutu for temperatures and it's well known that at that time it couldn't read exynos temps properly. When I had antutu, it showed around 40 degrees, but CPU monitor was around 25 degrees
I've got the exynos and had no real issues to date, battery life is sometimes great, sometime ok, but more than enough to do me from morning to night with my usage. Other than that can't complain at all
Should wait for the xiaomi's launch today?
mtm1401 said:
Camera has improved on the exynos with updates, personally I still feel low light video and photos are just ok, but anything in decent light is great, and I don't have anything other than a pixel 3 to compare to, so not a fair fight as the camera tech on that is old.
In regards to the video, mr whos the boss was using antutu for temperatures and it's well known that at that time it couldn't read exynos temps properly. When I had antutu, it showed around 40 degrees, but CPU monitor was around 25 degrees
I've got the exynos and had no real issues to date, battery life is sometimes great, sometime ok, but more than enough to do me from morning to night with my usage. Other than that can't complain at all
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Berserker900 said:
Yo bro,
Listen, avoid YouTube reviews. Bro these ppl are just benefiting from these kindda arguments and stuff.
I had the s21 ultra 512 and i sold it coz i have literally watched every single review out there and was too worried i might have been scammed or made the wrong choice.
After talking to some ppl here i bought it again and this time i made sure i cleared my search history lol and never ever to watch a thing.
It is not SD888 but it is close, it has good battery, cameras are barely any difference between them. If you game a lot you should really just buy a different phone just for gaming.
The screen is phenomenal.
Bro i live in Kuwait, temps here reach 55°....until now i have not experienced any extreme heating issues.
My advice to you, don't listen to anything, the device is amazing...yes it lacks behind the SD888 but for me it's the better pick.. i get warranty for a year and a trade on later or i can even sell it and not lose while the imported is basically non sellable here.
So weigh things out and decide, once you decide do not regret. Do not hesitate it's just a phone, if you have a slight doubt avoid it and wait for a different phone.
Goodluck.
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mtm1401 said:
Camera has improved on the exynos with updates, personally I still feel low light video and photos are just ok, but anything in decent light is great, and I don't have anything other than a pixel 3 to compare to, so not a fair fight as the camera tech on that is old.
In regards to the video, mr whos the boss was using antutu for temperatures and it's well known that at that time it couldn't read exynos temps properly. When I had antutu, it showed around 40 degrees, but CPU monitor was around 25 degrees
I've got the exynos and had no real issues to date, battery life is sometimes great, sometime ok, but more than enough to do me from morning to night with my usage. Other than that can't complain at all
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That temp thing with Antutu makes sense, I was worried when I first got my phone as it was listing my CPU temperature in the low 50s but then I installed CPU Monitor and it showed it was around 30 degrees. Maybe MrWhosTheBoss should have done a bit more research.
It's funny reading the comments on that video. Thousands of people talking about the S21 Ultra being rubbish on Exynos without having the first clue what they're talking about. It goes to show how a badly made video can really effect how a phone is perceived.
Beefheart said:
That temp thing with Antutu makes sense, I was worried when I first got my phone as it was listing my CPU temperature in the low 50s but then I installed CPU Monitor and it showed it was around 30 degrees. Maybe MrWhosTheBoss should have done a bit more research.
It's funny reading the comments on that video. Thousands of people talking about the S21 Ultra being rubbish on Exynos without having the first clue what they're talking about. It goes to show how a badly made video can really effect how a phone is perceived.
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Exactly and there is me researching this from a week before buying it .
Also tried to stress the camera on the demo unit at a samsung store , but it was warm to touch but not at all hot ..
By the way , as OnePlus markets their 9 pro with 5 layer cooling system , how's the cooling on s21 ultra?
JerryRigEverything did a teardown, but it's the SD varient. I'm not sure if the cooling solution on Exynos differs.
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Exactly and there is me researching this from a week before buying it .
Also tried to stress the camera on the demo unit at a samsung store , but it was warm to touch but not at all hot ..
By the way , as OnePlus markets their 9 pro with 5 layer cooling system , how's the cooling on s21 ultra?
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The Samsung is much more aggressive with its thermal throttling than the mi 11 (A good thing or a bad thing depending on what you want in a phone), don't know about the oneplus or how effective it's cooling system actually is (could just be a gimmick/branding, but I don't know).
I would say from what I've seen, s21u has better battery, genuine adaptive refresh, marginally photos cameras but much more versatile camera array, better software.
Mi11 better charging and sustained gaming
Early oneplus reviews have middling battery life, but an educated guess that they haven't enabled the variable refresh yet on the pro, as it seems to last the same amount of time as the base model.
In all honesty, if you aren't sure, wait a month or so for the 'long term' reviews, then you will get a better idea of the final product
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The Samsung is much more aggressive with its thermal throttling than the mi 11 (A good thing or a bad thing depending on what you want in a phone), don't know about the oneplus or how effective it's cooling system actually is (could just be a gimmick/branding, but I don't know).
I would say from what I've seen, s21u has better battery, genuine adaptive refresh, marginally photos cameras but much more versatile camera array, better software.
Mi11 better charging and sustained gaming
Early oneplus reviews have middling battery life, but an educated guess that they haven't enabled the variable refresh yet on the pro, as it seems to last the same amount of time as the base model.
In all honesty, if you aren't sure, wait a month or so for the 'long term' reviews, then you will get a better idea of the final product
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I am getting the s21 u e2100 today .. let's hope I get a good silicon compared to what some people have got
I seriously have a feeling that both versions of the phone are nearly identical in performance and camera quality. The primary reason why we see so many threads regarding heat issues, app crash issues or battery issues are not necessarily due to the versions of the phone that are being used (Exynos or Snapdragon)... But instead, I think that this is mainly due to the fact that a lot of Samsung's phone sales are to people who aren't very tech friendly....at all...
I mean, think of Apple's iPhone market. What percentage of their customers are tech geniuses who know everything about complete device care and optimization? I'd say, near me in the US, maybe about 3-5% of their customers... And with that said, you have to keep in mind that Samsung is the most Apple equivalent company in sales numbers for Android devices in the US. So probably only about 1-2% of their phone customers actually know what the heck they're doing.
So (internally thought lol) truth be told, I don't think one variant is better than the other. I just think that we need to keep in mind the fact that the Samsung phone market is packed to the gills with customers who don't know much at all regarding the technology that's used or how it works/can be optimized or made better. Luckily for us on this particular thread, we probably don't run into the aforementioned issues as we're likely all people who actually know how to use, care for and optimize a damn smart phone lol.
Side note: this was a long comment, so my apologies.
*Edit* - To respond to @aj7400 without wasting more post space :
The US isn't really a particularly cold area. It's just a much bigger area. So there are certainly some states where the temperature stays cold for a while... But there are tons of other places where it stays over 23°C all year round (and a few states where it stays above 33°C all year). So overall, I still believe that these issues are just coming up due to a severe lack of knowledge =(. But the good thing for you is that you actually appear to know what the deal is, hence why you're here on XDA. Thanks for being here =). But ya see what I mean? You were aware of the slightly warmer temperature of the S21U and you were aware of the fact that you live in a hot area. Therefore, you're not constantly complaining about the phone being borked out of the box, but instead, you're looking for potential solutions. Kudos!
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I seriously have a feeling that both versions of the phone are nearly identical in performance and camera quality. The primary reason why we see so many threads regarding heat issues, app crash issues or battery issues are not necessarily due to the versions of the phone that are being used (Exynos or Snapdragon)... But instead, I think that this is mainly due to the fact that a lot of Samsung's phone sales are to people who aren't very tech friendly....at all...
I mean, think of Apple's iPhone market. What percentage of their customers are tech geniuses who know everything about complete device care and optimization? I'd say, near me in the US, maybe about 3-5% of their customers... And with that said, you have to keep in mind that Samsung is the most Apple equivalent company in sales numbers for Android devices in the US. So probably only about 1-2% of their phone customers actually know what the heck they're doing.
So (internally thought lol) truth be told, I don't think one variant is better than the other. I just think that we need to keep in mind the fact that the Samsung phone market is packed to the gills with customers who don't know much at all regarding the technology that's used or how it works/can be optimized or made better.
Side note: this was a long comment, so my apologies.
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That's allright ,
But imo apple is from day 1 producing good chips and their optimization is top notch ,
And samsung in US is just offering Snapdragon .
That's the main reason people are not complaining about both , and they don't care what are the specs in their phone .
Also US is a relatively cold area so not much is going around throttling issues .
I live in india where highest temps reach 45°C , where the real problem of thermal throttling arise .
So I care much about these things .