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So I've bought a Samsung S9 Duos recently and to be honest, although I like the phone and have been on a Samsung streak for the past few years, I'm getting seriously tired of their country dependant shenanigans. Because I live in Canada, when I buy a Global phone there's a bunch of stuff that either doesn't work or does only partially. And because the Canadian model is a SD proc, not an Exynos, it's an absolute nightmare to switch CSCs and get everything working right...
I hesitated long and hard to get a P20 pro, but the fact it wasn't available anywhere in Canada made me nervous. But my carrier (Rogers) recently announced it so, being really tired of this Samsung ****e, I'm considering returning the S9 and getting the P20 pro (even if it doesn't have a lot of stuff I like such as the headphone jack, SD card and wireless charging).
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My question is, if I get an international (dual SIM) model of the P20 pro, is it going to be different than the Canadian one? Is there an equivalent of CSC codes with Samsung that I have to worry about, or can I assume it will be the same phone and I just need to activate it to get carrier specifics?
Thanks
I'm not an expert, but before I bought my P20 Pro, I made sure that it worked with the AT&T's network frequency bands. Each network has different bands and if the phone doesn't support the band, it won't connect.
https://www.droid-life.com/2015/02/...sm-cdma-wcdma-lte-verizon-att-sprint-tmobile/
https://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
Here are the tech specs from Huawei:
4G FDD-LTE, TD-LTE: B1/B2/B3/B4/B5/B6/B7/B8/B9/B12/B17/B18/B19/B20/B26/B28/B32/B34/B38/B39/B40
3G WCDMA: B1/B2/B4/B5/B6/B8/B19
https://consumer.huawei.com/uk/phones/m/p20-pro/tech-specs/
honua said:
I'm not an expert, but before I bought my P20 Pro, I made sure that it worked with the AT&T's network frequency bands. Each network has different bands and if the phone doesn't support the band, it won't connect.]
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Thanks for the input. I checked the bands for sure, and they are covered since it will be sold on my carrier soon. I guess what I meant is more the model itself, if there are variants per country or if we (Canada) are getting the same global version.
You see I come from a Samsung user's background and they have these silly country codes that dictate what you can use and where. I'm not sure it's related, but I found that even if on paper all LTE bands are covered with my S9, it still has shoddy reception compared to a Canadian S7. I could try to flash my CSC code to the phone, but a) it's complicated and risks bricking the phone and b) since the Canadian model is NOT the same as the global one, my CSC cannot be applied to this phone no matter how hard I try...
DenisEhm said:
Thanks for the input. I checked the bands for sure, and they are covered since it will be sold on my carrier soon. I guess what I meant is more the model itself, if there are variants per country or if we (Canada) are getting the same global version.
You see I come from a Samsung user's background and they have these silly country codes that dictate what you can use and where. I'm not sure it's related, but I found that even if on paper all LTE bands are covered with my S9, it still has shoddy reception compared to a Canadian S7. I could try to flash my CSC code to the phone, but a) it's complicated and risks bricking the phone and b) since the Canadian model is NOT the same as the global one, my CSC cannot be applied to this phone no matter how hard I try...
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FunkyHuawei offers a rebranding tool, which changes the region of the ROM. I used it because I bought mine from a Chinese e-commerce website. I rebranded to European region.
I couldn't find anything about International or Global versions of the phone. I know they are region locked, but the rebranding tool will fix that. You can also flash a firmware from FunkHuawei or use HuRUpdater tool from TWRP custom recovery.
I have used both tools, and had 100% success.
https://funkyhuawei.club/rebranding
https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-9/development/tool-flash-official-firmware-recovery-t3769279/
https://forum.xda-developers.com/huawei-p20-pro/development/recovery-twrp-3-2-1-0-t3779400
https://forum.xda-developers.com/tools/general/huawei-firmware-finder-team-mt-t3469146
honua said:
FunkyHuawei offers a rebranding tool, which changes the region of the ROM. I used it because I bought mine from a Chinese e-commerce website. I rebranded to European region.
I couldn't find anything about International or Global versions of the phone. I know they are region locked, but the rebranding tool will fix that. You can also flash a firmware from FunkHuawei or use HuRUpdater tool from TWRP custom recovery.
I have used both tools, and had 100% success.
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Cool thanks, I'll see how this could help me out. I'm giving my S9 one last chance but short of that, I'll cough up another $1000 for this phone; I just don't want to end up in the same trap!
Wondering how the reception is on the Chinese version in the U.S like on T-Mobile? Can anyone share their experiences? Any dropped calls, how's the 5g and 4g lte? The Chinese version says tencent on the back of the phone.
For 5g, it only has band 41 2.5GHz. It's missing band 71 600 MHz and the other 260 and 261 bands for 5G high speed mmwave.
For 4G LTE, it's missing bands 66, 12, and 71.
There's also a guide here showing you how to enable voLTE. Maybe someone can try that and share.
I'm trying to decide between global or tencent but the tencent is like $200-$300 cheaper because of the missing bands and you can get it in lower storage capacities than the global one. Wondering how it actually performs in the U.S
Sugaaa said:
Wondering how the reception is on the Chinese version in the U.S like on T-Mobile? Can anyone share their experiences? Any dropped calls, how's the 5g and 4g lte? The Chinese version says tencent on the back of the phone.
For 5g, it only has band 41 2.5GHz. It's missing band 71 600 MHz and the other 260 and 261 bands for 5G high speed mmwave.
For 4G LTE, it's missing bands 66, 12, and 71.
There's also a guide here showing you how to enable voLTE. Maybe someone can try that and share.
I'm trying to decide between global or tencent but the tencent is like $200-$300 cheaper because of the missing bands. Wondering how it actually performs in the U.S
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My buddy has the tencent version and has no signal at times, when I do on my a version. Stop being cheap, and spend the $ for the a version. No band 12,66, and 71 is a deal breaker imo.
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Stop being cheap, and spend the $ for the a version. No band 12,66, and 71 is a deal breaker imo.
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512gb is overkill for me. I'd be fine with 128gb. I'd only pay $1000+ for iPhone 12 pro. imo, Android over $1000 isn't worth it due to its faster depreciation. Trying to see how the Chinese one actually performs.
I'm curious what bands the lenovo legion phone is going to have on its unreleased global variant too. If that comes with volte support, and priced significantly less than than the version a rog, I'll probably go with that.
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512gb is overkill for me. I'd be fine with 128gb. I'd only pay $1000+ for iPhone 12 pro. imo, Android over $1000 isn't worth it due to its faster depreciation. Trying to see how the Chinese one actually performs.
I'm curious what bands the lenovo legion phone is going to have on its unreleased global variant too. If that comes with volte support, and priced significantly less than than the version a rog, I'll probably go with that.
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Move along then. My buddy is sending his tencent rog back. It works terrible. That legion is terrible. Sounds like you should just but an apple.
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Move along then. My buddy is sending his tencent rog back. It works terrible. That legion is terrible. Sounds like you should just but an apple.
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You seem pretty experienced with the rog phones. Have you owned the first or second model because I'm mostly wondering how they perform after 2-3 years. I'm trying to get a new phone that will last me around 3 years without getting buggy and slow. If you have had one of the older ones, how are they after like 2 years with the updates? I read that asus also stops updating after the first year so does that affect overall performance after 2-3 years
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You seem pretty experienced with the rog phones. Have you owned the first or second model because I'm mostly wondering how they perform after 2-3 years. I'm trying to get a new phone that will last me around 3 years without getting buggy and slow. If you have had one of the older ones, how are they after like 2 years with the updates? I read that asus also stops updating after the first year so does that affect overall performance after 2-3 years
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I had the rog2, but get new phones every few months. Sorry, cant help there. Like i said, just buy an apple, very good HW, and SW is very reliable with plenty of updates.
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I had the rog2, but get new phones every few months. Sorry, cant help there. Like i said, just buy an apple, very good HW, and SW is very reliable with plenty of updates.
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The only reason I'm considering the rog 3 is because of the amazing Emulator support on 3ds,psp, and ps2 which iphone lacks. Just wish there was more info out there on this phone.
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The only reason I'm considering the rog 3 is because of the amazing Emulator support on 3ds,psp, and ps2 which iphone lacks. Just wish there was more info out there on this phone.
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INFO? Like what? I just gave you the answers. This i why i deleted the other thread. People dont like the answers they get, so they assume its BS. The tencent is not worth the savings IF you live in the US. Plain and simple.
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INFO? Like what? I just gave you the answers. This i why i deleted the other thread. People dont like the answers they get, so they assume its BS. The tencent is not worth the savings IF you live in the US. Plain and simple.
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I don't understand how there's only a 512gb variant in the global version. On their global website, it says upto 512gb so their should be 256gb and 128gb variants too but there are none for sale.
If there was the other variants, the price would match their Chinese version and I would buy it on the spot.
What also bothers me is no definite release date in the u.s. so I don't know when to look forward to when they release the smaller storage size, I grow impatient easily
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I don't understand how there's only a 512gb variant in the global version. On their global website, it says upto 512gb so their should be 256gb and 128gb variants too but there are none for sale.
If there was the other variants, the price would match their Chinese version and I would buy it on the spot.
What also bothers me is no definite release date in the u.s. so I don't know when to look forward to when they release the smaller storage size, I grow impatient easily
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Lol, I just told you. 12gb, 512 IS the smallest in usa. Whatever, I'm done repeating myself
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I don't understand how there's only a 512gb variant in the global version. On their global website, it says upto 512gb so their should be 256gb and 128gb variants too but there are none for sale.
If there was the other variants, the price would match their Chinese version and I would buy it on the spot.
What also bothers me is no definite release date in the u.s. so I don't know when to look forward to when they release the smaller storage size, I grow impatient easily
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bs3pro is right in this case. First and foremost, your money your choice, but you can only buy what is available on the market. At present the only A Version (which is the expected version to be made available in the US) specs are 12 GB + 512GB or 16GB + 512GB and are imported model. That said an A Version from wherever and an A Version from the US are both still A Versions with the same internal modem for T Mobile bands. It still remains to be seen when and if a 128 GB or 256 GB models are released with the A Version modem.
However, it is ill advised to purchase a model that is severely lacking band coverage as both the Tencent and B Version modems do not have support for LTE bands 66 and 71 which are important to T Mobile in particular. Honestly what is going to save you more money, buy a phone missing crucial bands because it's cheaper, and then having to get a new phone due to lack of coverage and performance, or wait and see your options and then decide.
If you are truly in dire need of a new phone you may just want to consider a different brand and shop around a little because impatience won't do any good for you or your wallet.
EDIT: To try and put this to rest, Asus Taiwan is the only country who produces and sells A Versions phones, here is the ROG phone 3 store page. These are the only models currently for sale that support T Mobile here in the States link for posterity, sorry if it's not allowed:
store.asus.com/tw/category/D5913
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bs3pro is right in this case. First and foremost, your money your choice, but you can only buy what is available on the market. At present the only A Version (which is the expected version to be made available in the US) specs are 12 GB + 512GB or 16GB + 512GB and are imported model. That said an A Version from wherever and an A Version from the US are both still A Versions with the same internal modem for T Mobile bands. It still remains to be seen when and if a 128 GB or 256 GB models are released with the A Version modem.
However, it is ill advised to purchase a model that is severely lacking band coverage as both the Tencent and B Version modems do not have support for LTE bands 66 and 71 which are important to T Mobile in particular. Honestly what is going to save you more money, buy a phone missing crucial bands because it's cheaper, and then having to get a new phone due to lack of coverage and performance, or wait and see your options and then decide.
If you are truly in dire need of a new phone you may just want to consider a different brand and shop around a little because impatience won't do any good for you or your wallet.
EDIT: To try and put this to rest, Asus Taiwan is the only country who produces and sells A Versions phones, here is the ROG phone 3 store page. These are the only models currently for sale that support T Mobile here in the States link for posterity, sorry if it's not allowed:
store.asus.com/tw/category/D5913
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Wrong. The Hong Kong version is a also. It's the one I have. There's also Germany A version
Thanks for the clarification but I still think the point stands for the actual specs as opposed to the region of production
bs3pro said:
Wrong. The Hong Kong version is a also. It's the one I have. There's also Germany A version
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Can you put a link to the chinese version a you bought on ebay for 1000 if it's even still available. I'm only seeing global version a 12gb 512gb for 1200
TehAdventurer said:
bs3pro is right in this case. First and foremost, your money your choice, but you can only buy what is available on the market. At present the only A Version (which is the expected version to be made available in the US) specs are 12 GB + 512GB or 16GB + 512GB and are imported model. That said an A Version from wherever and an A Version from the US are both still A Versions with the same internal modem for T Mobile bands. It still remains to be seen when and if a 128 GB or 256 GB models are released with the A Version modem.
However, it is ill advised to purchase a model that is severely lacking band coverage as both the Tencent and B Version modems do not have support for LTE bands 66 and 71 which are important to T Mobile in particular. Honestly what is going to save you more money, buy a phone missing crucial bands because it's cheaper, and then having to get a new phone due to lack of coverage and performance, or wait and see your options and then decide.
If you are truly in dire need of a new phone you may just want to consider a different brand and shop around a little because impatience won't do any good for you or your wallet.
EDIT: To try and put this to rest, Asus Taiwan is the only country who produces and sells A Versions phones, here is the ROG phone 3 store page. These are the only models currently for sale that support T Mobile here in the States link for posterity, sorry if it's not allowed:
store.asus.com/tw/category/D5913
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Thanks. That was some solid advice. I found the taiwan version online for around $1250 with tax which was the lowest. I was going to get that and the asus kunai 3 gamepad for $200-$300 but I ended up ordering the oneplus 8 pro 12gb 256gb for $820 with tax and I'll just pick up the razer kishi gamepad for $100. I find it suits my needs better after finding out the oneplus 8 pro runs all the same games in the emulators and it's ip68 water resistant. Plus, I save $500-$600 and it has all the same tmobile bands. Just gonna miss out on that 6000mah battery.
I couldn't even find a decent case for the rog 3 let alone a water resistant one. It's a must for working out.
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Thanks. That was some solid advice. I found the taiwan version online for around $1250 with tax which was the lowest. I was going to get that and the asus kunai 3 gamepad for $200-$300 but I ended up ordering the oneplus 8 pro 12gb 256gb for $820 with tax and I'll just pick up the razer kishi gamepad for $100. I find it suits my needs better after finding out the oneplus 8 pro runs all the same games in the emulators and it's ip68 water resistant. Plus, I save $500-$600 and it has all the same tmobile bands. Just gonna miss out on that 6000mah battery.
I couldn't even find a decent case for the rog 3 let alone a water resistant one. It's a must for working out.
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Yeah, that's honestly was I was trying to get at. There's no reason to try and force yourself to like a phone that doesn't check every box for you, especially at it's price point. It's much better to get something that makes you happy and functions well than something that you forced yourself to like. Glad I could help!
Will there be a forum like S21, S21+, S21 Ultra with sub forums like Cross device development?
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Will there be a forum like S21, S21+, S21 Ultra with sub forums like Cross device development?
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No plans for that at the present time. Sorry mate.
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No plans for that at the present time. Sorry mate.
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Ok, may I ask why?
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Ok, may I ask why?
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Best explanation I can give is due to the new forum design. At least for the foreseeable future, forums will be based on the "prefix" system without all the sub-forums that we have all been accustomed to. Of course, things can change, so we'll just have to wait and see my friend.
Hello, can an expert helping me. I have a sm-G998U1 s21 ultra I paid via Rakuten site.
My concern is that I am not able to get 5G signal, only LTE, knowing that my operator is FREE with 5G in France. My SIM card has no problem because when I install it on an other mobile phone I receive the 5G.
Questions to the expert:
- Is this s21 ultra model compatible with 5G European bands and if yes, how can I customize my phone to receive 5G?
- Taking into account that this model is an US phone, do you think it's possible that I change the firmware via ODIN by replacing the current version SMG998U1 (US) by a SMG998B (European) and will this solve my 5G problem?
Or this is impossible even with different firmware because it is due to the mobile hardware, the antenna is different on US models.
Thank you for your help.
Buying a phone destined for another region comes with a price. Back and forth there are compatibility issues. G988B (Exynos) will not operate 5G in USA and G998U/G998U1 (Snapdragon) will not in Europe. This has to do with different bands and modem settings.
Whatever you do, do not try to flash firmware of a different type of phone! It will brick your phone.
Thank you very much. The fault is due to the vendor Rakuten, it was mentioned that this model was compatible with french mobile providers. In fact it is true and not, it is working but only with 4G+ and not 5G!
I ordered this phone on Rakuten in order to get a better price but in the end this was really not a good idea!!!
MICHEL75012 said:
Thank you very much. The fault is due to the vendor Rakuten, it was mentioned that this model was compatible with french mobile providers. In fact it is true and not, it is working but only with 4G+ and not 5G!
I ordered this phone on Rakuten in order to get a better price but in the end this was really not a good idea!!!
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4G and 5G spectrums are different in certain regions too. So a phone can support 4G but not 5G as the 4G spec may match the provider but the 5G may not be compatible.
hey there fellow XDA Members and Mi11 Ultra Owners!
Any downsides of buying the CN Version of this Phone over the Global/EU Version?
i've got the MiMix2s and have there the issue that it got some new Baseband FW someday that now produces issues in the EU Network... also other Phones from xiaomi had this issues that the CN Versions where somewhat troublesome
I bought the china version and when it comes to google integration, it's very limited what you have.
your apps and messages won't automatically sync, there is always the chinese apps that you can removed, but the AI stays there.. I installed the global version and it's like a normal google phone, everything will be download it to your Mi Ultra 11, no need to download each app individually, . If I was you, i would spend the little extra money it cost fot the global version and get it.
Just get the CN phone and flash the EU Rom.
Honestly I recommend buying the global version as internet bands differ from the Chinese version at hardware level, so no firmware can change that. Many people didn't find this an issue anyway,but I would recommend you to stay on global
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Honestly I recommend buying the global version as internet bands differ from the Chinese version at hardware level, so no firmware can change that. Many people didn't find this an issue anyway,but I would recommend you to stay on global
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I've not seen any changes to radio bands in any specs. I would have thought that they would not change the modems hardware antennas for different regions? If you have some specs showing the different bands can you let me see them or a link, I'm really interested if they have.
there are I've read this many times
Will Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra work in USA?
In this page we are going to show you the compatibility of Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra with the mobile networks of USA and with the telephony operators that provide service in USA.
www.kimovil.com
have a look here
Sathelp said:
I've not seen any changes to radio bands in any specs. I would have thought that they would not change the modems hardware antennas for different regions? If you have some specs showing the different bands can you let me see them or a link, I'm really interested if they have.
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AFAIK bands are identical this year.
5G works here with CN model so I'm good.
Bands are different, sure you have 5g but you may miss something on some specific carrier
As far as I know, the hardware is identical
You can Check your location and carriers on kimovil.com
I posted a website where you can actually see the bands used by both versions,they are different, also on these pages in the thread "where to buy the mi 11 ultra" it's been posted many times, it's where I heard of it
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I posted a website where you can actually see the bands used by both versions,they are different, also on these pages in the thread "where to buy the mi 11 ultra" it's been posted many times, it's where I heard of it
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What carrier would you like to use it with in which country?
You can check easily on kimovil.com
I use vodafone in UK
xNAPx said:
there are I've read this many times
Will Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra work in USA?
In this page we are going to show you the compatibility of Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra with the mobile networks of USA and with the telephony operators that provide service in USA.
www.kimovil.com
have a look here
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But the hardware can select the bands from the modems configuration per sim and network location required to the maximum bands built to be used per model. See all the mi 11 ultra configurations in the screenshots taken from mine.
Mine is not rooted, but it would be good to see the modem config from a global hardware sold phone and a Chinese hardware sold phone both using the same ROM to see if there are any difference's in bands using the Qualcomm modern config app. I would be happy to be proved wrong but I bet both have the same bands, just applied different.
No rom or firmware can change the bands sorry
This is my first post so forgive any stupid errors or remarks ! I bought a Mi 11 Ultra with the CN Rom. I'm waiting for the bootloader to unlock and I was going to install the EU Rom. But I have been using it after taking off the bloatware and to be honest it's behaving and works well. The 5g speeds are good and it seems to change between 4g and 5g smoothly when moving about. I've attached a screenshot of a speed test done sitting in a coffee shop on Tottenham Court Rd London. No over heating and camera works well. So I'm seriously considering leaving it locked and using the CN Rom.
But willing to hear why that's a stupid idea!
Thanks
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No rom or firmware can change the bands sorry
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Man
let them save a few bucks. Then they will fill the forum with questions and complaints. People like to discuss. However more activity is good for the forum.
tf20061958 said:
This is my first post so forgive any stupid errors or remarks ! I bought a Mi 11 Ultra with the CN Rom. I'm waiting for the bootloader to unlock and I was going to install the EU Rom. But I have been using it after taking off the bloatware and to be honest it's behaving and works well. The 5g speeds are good and it seems to change between 4g and 5g smoothly when moving about. I've attached a screenshot of a speed test done sitting in a coffee shop on Tottenham Court Rd London. No over heating and camera works well. So I'm seriously considering leaving it locked and using the CN Rom.
But willing to hear why that's a stupid idea!
Thanks
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The CN ROM works well if you're patient and don't mind debloating and tuning it to ensure all Google apps work as it should since it does require some tweaking. For example, I remember my Google Pay didn't initially work.
I remember getting 150Mbps on LTE+ with EE in London Bridge station over a month ago which was fantastic although I heard the EU Weekly runs a bit more efficient with the memory management and process allocation. What eventually sold me was the fact that it was based on CN Weekly betas, and those occasionally get camera improvements first before stable across all regions.
Mr_creeper_98 said:
I bought the china version and when it comes to google integration, it's very limited what you have.
your apps and messages won't automatically sync, there is always the chinese apps that you can removed, but the AI stays there.. I installed the global version and it's like a normal google phone, everything will be download it to your Mi Ultra 11, no need to download each app individually, . If I was you, i would spend the little extra money it cost fot the global version and get it.
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I purchased the China version as well, maily because it is a lot cheaper than the global variant. I then wait a week, unlock my bootloader and flash the Xiaomi.eu rom with full Google integration. You see, the Xiaomi.eu rom takes the roms from China and removes all the Chinese bloat and script and then adds in full Google functionality. It's truly the best of both worlds.
So, I bought my Mi 11 on a contract from some website I've never heard of and it was cheap. It's legit, but it's a US (IMEI number is region '05') phone flashed with a UK firmware. Are different regions of the Mi 11 built for different frequencies or do all Snapdragon chips support different countries?
Only because I've noticed it says I have like 3 bars of 4G signal but my mobile data just doesn't work and never loads. Like would I be missing on some 5g goodness too?
Also would there be anything I'm missing out on if the phone is in a different region?
Thank you!
I think the Mi 11 generally supports all bands. Perhaps the frequency selection is limited by the firmware. I haven't heard of any special UK firmware. There are 7 different ROMs. Actually even 8. The Vodafone ROM does not appear here. The last two letters after the number are decisive. Post it to you.
Just try the global stable. Maybe then your problem will be solved.
You could try to use the selection network options from testing mode.
Try using that method : https://itsitadda.com/how-to-use-more-than-20-network-types-in-your-miui-android-phones/
I have 5g but you have to remember that it depends on the provider and the 5g band the provider offers. My phone gets 5g with attnt and T-Mobile at least in the USA .
pittrich said:
I think the Mi 11 generally supports all bands. Perhaps the frequency selection is limited by the firmware. I haven't heard of any special UK firmware. There are 7 different ROMs. Actually even 8. The Vodafone ROM does not appear here. The last two letters after the number are decisive. Post it to you.
Just try the global stable. Maybe then your problem will be solved.
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Ah thank you my dude I'll have to contact my network then see what's up with it.