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Oneplus 3 is an awesome phone no doubt (if you don't damage it). However with the dash charging, there's a high chance we might need replacement batteries for the phone after a year or two.
Does anyone know where we would be able to obtain dash capable batteries for replacement? It would be a great disappointment if we are not able to replace it.
*it is a concern because at least in Singapore, there is 0 support despite purchasing a local set. You will be given an email to make an appointment to bring your set down to a location, but NO ONE will respond to your email. Oneplus Singapore Facebook as well as official reseller do not provide any support either.
Why would Dash Charge wreck the battery? Afterall if anything the phone heats up less than other phones, because the charging is handled by the adapter, not the phone.
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Why would Dash Charge wreck the battery? Afterall if anything the phone heats up less than other phones, because the charging is handled by the adapter, not the phone.
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You have a point there. However, batteries will eventually degrade, so it would be great to be able to do a replacement when the time comes
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You have a point there. However, batteries will eventually degrade, so it would be great to be able to do a replacement when the time comes
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Most damage to a battery is done at night when you charge a phone when you've gone to sleep, as the charger will put it to 100% and keep it there throughout the night, which puts more strain on the battery. (just look into Sony Qnovo battery charging tech in their new phones).
The dash charger has been proven to change people's charging habits. For example I wake up at 7.30am to go to work at 9am, as soon as I wake up I put my phone on charge. Thus meaning it stays at 100% for less time, and so degrades slower.
just keep your battery b/w 40-80% and it's all good
Prince Chandela said:
just keep your battery b/w 40-80% and it's all good
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That's bull**** and bears any real usage
Here you have one: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ONEPLUS-3-TH...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONEPLUS-3...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
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Here you have one: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ONEPLUS-3-TH...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONEPLUS-3...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
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Awesome! However, the battery capacity seems to be much lower than 3000mah
Stay away from buying non oem batteries. You don't want your phone to be the next Note 7 lol.
Again you wont need a new battery. It degrade really slow. The problem with fastcharging is heat. Batteries dont like heat. Also charging overnight is bull**** since it stops charging when its 100%. Again it doesnt matter what you do.. If u drain it to 0% its not fully empty so really doesnt matter!
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Again you wont need a new battery. It degrade really slow. The problem with fastcharging is heat. Batteries dont like heat. Also charging overnight is bull**** since it stops charging when its 100%. Again it doesnt matter what you do.. If u drain it to 0% its not fully empty so really doesnt matter!
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Personally I change battery ever 1.5 to 2 years. Batteries have a lifespan and degrade over time. It degrades faster with heat. It's quite disappointing that no one is sellong replacements though.
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Also charging overnight is bull**** since it stops charging when its 100%.
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Exactly. The controller stops the current flow at full charge. It will not top it up if you keep it plugged in such as in the overnight scenario.
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Here you have one: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ONEPLUS-3-TH...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONEPLUS-3...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
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The model number on eBay is BLP607.
You'll need BLP613 for OP3.
Maybe after a longer time there will be more replacements, if there aren't already.
If the OnePlus's battery it good I don't see a need for a replacement personality because I change phone after 2 years, when factory support ends and I'm tired of the phone.
I am pretty sure you can't wait to buy a new one before the battery degrade to an unacceptable level.
Like my OnePlus 1, which still has a quite decent battery time, though it has already become my son's toy.
So, don't worry about this too much.
Majority of the users will replace their phones instead of a degraded battery within 2 years. Unless the battery is defective then yea that would be understandable. If you are one the minority who upgrades every 3+ years then kudos to yall for having the will power to resist the upgrade fever.
is there no one who works at one plus and also uses xda?
that dude can help us in getting batteries from the supplier of one plus.
I am using my xperia ZL since 2013. i changed its battery a while ago. now i feel it is time to change my device. moving on to one plus 3 soon.
I think my OnePlus 3 battery is pretty broaken already. Last me for around 4 houers so i need to recharge it several times a day.
I cant find a original battery, so ill probably have to get a not OEM one
Hilmy said:
I think my OnePlus 3 battery is pretty broaken already. Last me for around 4 houers so i need to recharge it several times a day.
I cant find a original battery, so ill probably have to get a not OEM one
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Strange. Are you on stock ROM?
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Strange. Are you on stock ROM?
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Yes I am. Android 7.1.1 and Oxygen 4.1.3
AccuBattery says my battery is 87% helathy and on 2611 mAh instead of 3000mAh, but feels like much less
Hi,
there is a german website -> http://www.chinamobilemag.de/news/oneplus-3-akku-problem.html
(Translator -> https://translate.google.com/transl...neplus-3-akku-problem.html&edit-text=&act=url )
They talk about that the capacity are going down. After 120 charging cycles the lost 20% capacity. The messurement was taken by a usb tool.
I did not have things like this. Can you follow them or do they make some failures? The articel sound a little anoying
The one thing that pops out immediately in my mind after reading the article is that we don't know if the OP3 battery has linear deterioration.
Only time and more measurements will tell if 200-240 charging cycles = 40% loss in capacity or not.
But i guess after 100 Load-Cycles we sould not have 20% power less
This could be true bc any type of fast charging has bad effects on battery. That's why I don't use dash charger.
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This could be true bc any type of fast charging has bad effects on battery. That's why I don't use dash charger.
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Fast charging is not problem. The heat is Dash doesn't have this heat.
Anyways I don't believe in this thing. My battery is still fine so.
Does an one know if there is an app to check the capacity of the battery?
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This could be true bc any type of fast charging has bad effects on battery. That's why I don't use dash charger.
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That is not necessarily true. Battery deteriorates due to fast charging only if the phone/battery gets heated during charging and since VOOC charging dissipates heat in the charger only, theoretically, battery itself shouldn't deteriorate much. Besides, number of charge cycles does have effect on battery health but capacity dropping by 20% in just 100 cycles is bit much.
several users commented there already, many of them saying that the measured it in the same way and state a loss of about 500mah ... :/ this is worrying
Such a trash....
Got my device right after release, dash charged every time i need 2 charge...
And guess what?
Even 5 hrs SOT and 2-3 days of standby time. Using OOS 3.5.5
Such a nonserious site and post. U guys really belive all the sh*t those guys out there feeding u.
Please close this pathetic thread! Thx
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Such a trash....
Got my device right after release, dash charged every time i need 2 charge...
And guess what?
Even 5 hrs SOT and 2-3 days of standby time. Using OOS 3.5.5
Such a nonserious site and post. U guys really belive all the sh*t those guys out there feeding u.
Please close this pathetic thread! Thx
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several of those guys measured it and you deliver one anecdotal response, even insulting them. nice work!
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Such a trash....
Got my device right after release, dash charged every time i need 2 charge...
And guess what?
Even 5 hrs SOT and 2-3 days of standby time. Using OOS 3.5.5
Such a nonserious site and post. U guys really belive all the sh*t those guys out there feeding u.
Please close this pathetic thread! Thx
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I generally agree with you when it comes to battery related anything, but just trying to keep an open mind.
And u Guys think those measures were correct?
Who are those Guys? Probably no One of them got electrical knowledge.. "measure" it urself, than Start making Panic... Thx.
I'm also worried about OP3 battery life, I even asked a question some time ago: http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3/help/battery-health-t3455138
I installed AccuBattery and it shows me 2700mAh capacity :/ I have the OP3 since 1.7.16
The accuracy of those tools is not proved.
If u trust them u can also install a solar app and put or phone into the sun for recharging the battery.
Wer viel misst, misst Mist!
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The accuracy of those tools is not proved.
If u trust them u can also install a solar app and put or phone into the sun for recharging the battery.
Wer viel misst, misst Mist!
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nope but they seem to get the same values as the extern meters. If anyone with a brand new phone would use the app, that would clarify a lot.
Maybe our battery never had 3000mAh Who knows? Has someone tested it on release? [ATTETION: a bit of irony]
My Accu health is at 90% and Kapaziti has 2.695
Gesendet von meinem ONEPLUS A3003 mit Tapatalk
26OCT delivered, AccuBattery shows 3000 here, I never full cycled the battery to below 20%, 10% rarely 1 time until now & charge the battery upto 80%-90% only
Also read this article - https://gizmodo.com/how-to-take-care-of-your-smartphone-battery-the-right-w-513217256\
Maybe OnePlus cheaped out on batteries, I lost faith in this company, I will move to a Flagship Pixel once My OP3 is not usable anymore.
I wanted a pixel but I could buy the OP3 AND the OP3T for the price of one Pixel.
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I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...
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I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...
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This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.
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This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.
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When I got it to die In 30-40 min I was on a phone call and surfing instagram. Took the tumi out yesterday with 80% battery in it and had my phones screen off streaming music over Bluetooth. The phone charged up about 25% before the battery pack died. Any ideas on how I could improve the battery life? My moto mods manager is up to date and I don't get any prompts to update anything whenever I snap on the mods
I was surprised when I found this post, so I checked how many percent of battery do I get with a my incipio battery mod. I plugged the mod, my phone's battery was at 15% and the battery mod was at 100%.
Now the Incipio battery mod is empty and my phone's battery is at 50%. So it charged my phone by 35%.
Pretty disappointing for a 2220 mAh battery that costs almost 100€ ...
To me the best use of the mod is to snap it on when the Moto Z Play is fully charged and to chose the option to keep the phone battery at 80%. With normal use, i've seen the mod keep the phone at 80% for up to a day. To me the mod is not meant to charge the phone but more to keep it from discharging.
To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?
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To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?
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The battery mods are not particularly useful for the Z Play because if you charge every night, you have basically unlimited battery life. Battery packs are extremely useful for the regular Z, though, which has extremely poor battery life on its own. They're basically mandatory for the Z.
I'm shocked that battery mods can only charge your internal battery and can't be used directly (discharging the mod battery instead of the internal battery), the same way Thinkpads that have more than one battery can do. That makes the $80 (vs maybe $10 for a 2000 mah ravpower) cost all the more eyebrow-raising.
I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity, making the internal battery the backup battery and wearing out the easily replaceable, easily swappable mods instead.
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I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity,
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What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.
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What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.
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Same sources as you, personal experience and basic knowledge (battery life being measured in cycles). I'm not even completely worried about average aging, but out of a batch of millions of batteries, plenty will start to experience rapid discharge early, even without abnormal heat, not to the point of being completely dead, but certainly no longer tolerable. Today's phone batteries might actually tolerate heat better than in the past, having been built for quick charging, which is the hottest a sd625 seems to get.
I've read manuals and battery university and a few tech blog articles all of which have differing advice, just like you and me, but I have yet to find a source I find credible (based on diverse large scale testing not limited anecdotal evidence or in the case of manuals, insanely outdated nicad-era stuff). And, sincerely no offense intended, I'm unlikely to decide cycles don't matter and weight your anecdotal evidence over mine anymore than you'd weight mine over yours. But if you ever find a good source with those comparisons, I'd be pleased to check it out too.
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Because I'm a very heavy user of my phone and don't want to worry about power even if I can't get to a outlet during the day.
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
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Because the bat mod is easy to slap on and keep on all the time (when I'm not using a different mod). Then I never have to worry about taking the pack with me or not or carrying the extra cable with me or not.
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time?
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Because I don't want to have to worry about having the charger with me or finding a spot to charge.
I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.
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I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.
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I quite like just not having to charge for three days. I have the battery mod which I use on the efficiency mode, and I got over a full day out of it. At the end of day three I had nearly 30% battery left. Probably enough for most of one more day.
The other thing for me is using wireless charging. I like just slapping my phone on a stand overnight when I do charge it. It charges slowly, yes, but it doesn't matter if I am charging overnight. I still have access to the quick charger if I need to get a full battery quick!
I use mine on my motorcycle where I'm riding for 10 hours a day. I'm at about 50% in 4 hours and dead by 7 or 8, so I'm hoping with the additional battery MOD that I can get at least 12 hours charge. I'm really bad about remembering to plug my phone in when I stop for a break!
@tag68 : dude I think you totally missed to read what @fortunz was saying, he was only pointing that he would like the Mods to be used as a primary source battery instead of being a "ultra-portable power bank".
Given that there is also a fraction of the power being lost in the form of heat, during charge/transfer, it is even more silly from Motorola not to have the battery used directly. I can say by the 25-35% charge from the Mods estimated from other users, that the efficiency is somewhere around 50%, HORRIBLE to say the least.
And yeah I was reading through both of your posts and good information was provided, although unnecessary friction used (not naming anyone).
I actually have kind of the same idea from @fortunz to prolong the battery life of my Z-play even with the mod just being a power bank.
Saying that the mods (~2220mah) charge your phone anywhere between 25-35%, I can actually take the top 25-35% out of my internal battery use and move it to the Mod.
So I can charge my phone up to 70% before going to bed, and then when my phone reaches 30% during the use next day, I'll just slap the mod.
I can allow myself a lot of variation to this, I will not be religious about it, the topic is to avoid hitting 100% charge, and instead, moving the wear of that 30% usage to the Mod.
According, to many articles, citing just one below, considering the depth of discharges and voltage levels, you guys might do the equation if you like, but according to the charts and theory:
charging my phone twice a day trying not to exceed 70%, will give me WAY more longevity run than charging up to 100% every day.
First charge will be from around 15% which is my normal deadline to around 70% with a wall charger, before going to bed.
Second charge will be from the mod from around 30% to around 60% (hopefully), which will give me portability while charging.
Total screen on time during the day, should be around 10% less, but well worth and I can definitely take the hit if getting more battery longevity as a trade.
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http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Huh, it even makes sense when explaining to other people...
In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.
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In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.
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Sadly that application requires root... and I don't want to unlock the bootloader and then having to worry about SafetyNet...
For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.
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For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.
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Well said
Thanks for the tip! I'll have it mind!
At the moment I don't feel like unlocking the bootloader because I'm planning to use the moto Mods and these can't be used with custom ROMs yet, and I have no use for root other than changing the work mode on Greenify but it already works well enough in No-Root mode, so for me there is no true benefit.
A good resource for lithium batteries are rc helicopter forums. Helis use speed controllers of many tens of amps, drain the batteries in minutes versus days to low levels and charge them at high speed. What reduces their life is heat, overcharging the voltage or over discharging the voltage. They do not age if left in a partial charge. You can let them sit for years unused and they will lose very little capacity. If you only run them at 70%cycle, they last about 3000 cycles.
Well, that was weird.
Phone at 9%, mophie mod at 100%. Put it on, barely used the phone (even took a nap). About an hour later, the mophie mod is at 50%, but the phone actually went down to 8%. Took off the mod and the phone went immediately to 4%. Ouch.
Mod normally works fine. It'll keep the phone at 80% for most of the day just fine. Not sure what was going on.
So I got my phone when it came out. Wrap charged at home and slow charged(2.1amp) in car. A year plus later accubattery says I've degraded 12% about, about same when I had my Samsung Galaxy s8 plus
Just wait for at least 20-30k mAh total charge at first I started with different values, now, after +80k, i got this.
I think we can keep it until something like 80%, I mean, it is like if you could charge your phone to only the % accubattery shows, if you get for example, 90%, you can only use a real 90% of your full charge, I get 35m sot with 10%, so I lost aprox 40-45m sot due to degradation.
Don't worry, Android 11 could get better battery life.
So your about same, I had about 88,000 % but I just installed RR rom. I also noticed after 90% it takes a lot longer to charge, I know after 90 it's not the full wrap charge speed but it takes like 20 mins or so to get 100
Funny....I just installed AccuBattery a few days ago to measure the same thing. I got my phone in March 2009, and attached are my stats.
March 2009? What phone is this? The very first HTC Google phone? If so, are you willing to sell this phone? 11 years and only 12% degradation...that's phenomenal.
On a different note, I really don't thing the battery design capacity is true to it's word. I recently changed my battery to a new one and it was starting at 96%. It's all a farce
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March 2009? What phone is this? The very first HTC Google phone? If so, are you willing to sell this phone? 11 years and only 12% degradation...that's phenomenal.
On a different note, I really don't thing the battery design capacity is true to it's word. I recently changed my battery to a new one and it was starting at 96%. It's all a farce
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You know....I was trying for a snappy comeback for my typo, but I realized that I messed up the year AND the month. I got the phone in September 2019. Please don't ask about March. Not sure what I was thinking there.
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You know....I was trying for a snappy comeback for my typo, but I realized that I messed up the year AND the month. I got the phone in September 2019. Please don't ask about March. Not sure what I was thinking there.
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Hahahah..no worries comrade! All good and dandy...hope the COVID situation there is getting better! Stay safe.
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March 2009? What phone is this? The very first HTC Google phone? If so, are you willing to sell this phone? 11 years and only 12% degradation...that's phenomenal.
On a different note, I really don't thing the battery design capacity is true to it's word. I recently changed my battery to a new one and it was starting at 96%. It's all a farce
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I believe it is possible that OnePlus pre-caps charging to 80% or so of the battery's full, true capacity to prevent fast degredation, then uses software to calculate percentage with 100% being 80%. If this were the case, it would explain people using AccuBattery seeing degredation almost consistently at like 10-15% - because the phone simply won't charge that far, so the mAH additions from charging just don't add up to 4000mAH.
To add, this isn't a bad thing at all. This isn't false advertising or anything, as this would be a feature done to prevent batteries from degrading at rapid speeds.
I don't have any proof this is the case, though. Just makes sense to me. I do recommend only using the warp charger to top off during the day, and charging with a regular usb-c charger otherwise, as the warp charging speed is actually bad for the battery life in the long run.
It is fact, though, that charging from 80 to 100% requires significantly more voltage (iirc) than the previous percentages. Think of it like trying to fill a jar to it's limits - as you put more in, you have to shove things in harder and harder , until its mostly full, where putting any more in is getting difficult as there's hardly any room left. This is obviously terrible for not only the battery but also the charging port and the like.
Well after a year you can't expect it to be like brand new. Worrying to much over little things that don't matter to actual life..,.
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I believe it is possible that OnePlus pre-caps charging to 80% or so of the battery's full, true capacity to prevent fast degredation, then uses software to calculate percentage with 100% being 80%. If this were the case, it would explain people using AccuBattery seeing degredation almost consistently at like 10-15% - because the phone simply won't charge that far, so the mAH additions from charging just don't add up to 4000mAH.
To add, this isn't a bad thing at all. This isn't false advertising or anything, as this would be a feature done to prevent batteries from degrading at rapid speeds.
I don't have any proof this is the case, though. Just makes sense to me. I do recommend only using the warp charger to top off during the day, and charging with a regular usb-c charger otherwise, as the warp charging speed is actually bad for the battery life in the long run.
It is fact, though, that charging from 80 to 100% requires significantly more voltage (iirc) than the previous percentages. Think of it like trying to fill a jar to it's limits - as you put more in, you have to shove things in harder and harder , until its mostly full, where putting any more in is getting difficult as there's hardly any room left. This is obviously terrible for not only the battery but also the charging port and the like.
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All your points are very valid although my contention is not that. It's that a brand new battery (so brand new that it was installed at the service centre) had a life of 96%. This was shown in the oneplus diagnostic app; so where really is the 4000 mAh when a brand new itself starts at 96%
I suspect accubattery is not so accurate. Sure he can do some math to guess the actual capacity but who knows how close it is to the real thing.
One thing here: the battery is considered discharged at around 3.3 volts. This is just to protect the battery, but also it's around 5-7% capacity I'd say. Full discharge for li-ion is around 2.8-3.0 volts, but it's bad to discharge it that much.
So in conclusion, even though your battery has 4000mah, you never get to use it at it's maximum rating because that would damage the battery and render it useless in far less charge cycles than normal.
I would say a better measure is the OnePlus diagnostic app... It lists the degree of degradation under its output
Well I did accubattery when I first got phone, and it showed 3900. Ubreakifix tear down then confirmed that was the actual capicity because in the USA you are allowed to round just like diet should have no sugar but there is zero. What really makes you notice the Degradation is when fast charging takes longer to 100
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Well I did accubattery when I first got phone, and it showed 3900. Ubreakifix tear down then confirmed that was the actual capicity because in the USA you are allowed to round just like diet should have no sugar but there is zero. What really makes you notice the Degradation is when fast charging takes longer to 100
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So the opposite of what you said is true. A battery with a larger capacity or less degradation takes longer to charge to 100% because the kernel and software slows down the charge for the last 10-15%. The less capacity you have the less time it takes to hit "100".
I know the charge slows down after 80%, the closer to 100 the slower. When phone was new it took like 10 to 15 mins later to go from 90 to 100. Now it's taking 15 mins to go from 92 to 95. Having note 5 previously the next Degradation step is when over all charging takes even longer and the battery life is shorter
I don't even worry about battery degradation. I put a wireless receiver on my OnePlus and have wireless charging everywhere. My phone is always around 80 to 100 percent.
I'm a heavy phone user and using accubattery on this phone for a long time now. Got my phone in June 2019 and based on 636 sessions, it shows battery health at 90%. Probably because
1. I haven't charged my phone more than 80% for about 70% of sessions.
2. Because of the large data AB has, it has more accurate estimate.
3. I read that the health section itself is not accurate.
Here's mine (got it second hand in March 2020)
Should I be concerned? I just got the phone back in March new from TMobile
If i use the official fast charger .....charge up to 100% the next day I barely get 16 hrs and 3 hrs screen time..wireless charge slowly and I get 30 percent more .
Anyone else see a difference??
Uk unlocked s21u for reference.
You sure there are no other factors involved?: types of apps you ran, heat, etc.
mattlcfc said:
If i use the official fast charger .....charge up to 100% the next day I barely get 16 hrs and 3 hrs screen time..wireless charge slowly and I get 30 percent more .
Anyone else see a difference??
Uk unlocked s21u for reference.
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That sounds interesting! Would love to look into this a little deeper.
Could you describe this in a little more detail please? Like when do you start charging, how long it takes with each method, what your usage pattern is like, and what you mean by 30% more (SOT, Standgy, or literal battery percentage remaining)? And any relevant screeenshots would be much appreciated.
Fast charging will not engage if the temperature is too low. It will remain disengaged for that charge cycle.
Charging is an electrochemical reaction that needs a certain temperature range to function properly.
Minimum start temp is 72°F but 82-90F is optimal.
Anything below 72F brings the risk of Li plating which will permanently degrade the cell.
Charging will also shutdown if the battery temperature goes too high.
blackhawk said:
Fast charging will not engage if the temperature is too low. It will remain disengaged for that charge cycle.
Charging is an electrochemical reaction that needs a certain temperature range to function properly.
Minimum start temp is 72°F but 82-90F is optimal.
Anything below 72F brings the risk of Li plating which will permanently degrade the cell.
Charging will also shutdown if the battery temperature goes too high.
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I don't think OP is talking about speed of charging. We're trying to discuss battery life with different speeds of charging.
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I don't think OP is talking about speed of charging. We're trying to discuss battery life with different speeds of charging.
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It should be near identical.
Android battery capacity sensing always left something to be desired.
Battery temperatures should be made the same when comparing.
Try comparing battery voltages rather than indicated %
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It should be near identical.
Android battery capacity sensing always left something to be desired.
Battery temperatures should be made the same when comparing.
Try comparing battery voltages rather than indicated %
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That is why we're waiting for more information about his experience before coming to any conclusions.
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That is why we're waiting for more information about his experience before coming to any conclusions.
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Depending on how fast the battery is charging it may shutdown at a lower charge level to avoid overshooting the correct shutdown voltage.
Samsung is said to be very conservative with their charge curves... I wonder why
Samsung should be using graphene batteries by now. Instead of throwing all their resources at the Folds, which never have sold well, they neglect their bread winners. I just reamed them out over that today
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I just reamed them out over that today
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You called them and asked them to switch to Graphene batteries?
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You called them and asked them to switch to Graphene batteries?
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Said they should be using them already, among other things. Before the 10+ was released there was speculation that it might have a Graphene cell, lol.
I was barely aware of this technology until a few days ago... it be cool and it's in use.
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Said they should be using them already, among other things. Before the 10+ was released there was speculation that it might have a Graphene cell, lol.
I was barely aware of this technology until a few days ago... it be cool and it's in use.
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Other than power banks, who is using them in their phones?
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Other than power banks, who is using them in their phones?
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Xiaomi tells us about graphene batteries and the great challenge posed by the Mi 10 Ultra
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30% more seems to be a huge claim .
5%-10% could have been a margin or error.
I'll have to do some tracking and get some screen shots . I normally wireless charge overnight and it says 100 % every morning and I use 70 % battery on average . But 1 day a week I have to charge using the lead . I only have the "super fast" charger and lead and the next day the battery is always worse by quite a way . Dead by 19:00 hrs. Similar usage most days . Its as if on fast charge it says 100 % but is way down.
As said I'll do some more investigation.
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I'll have to do some tracking and get some screen shots . I normally wireless charge overnight and it says 100 % every morning and I use 70 % battery on average . But 1 day a week I have to charge using the lead . I only have the "super fast" charger and lead and the next day the battery is always worse by quite a way . Dead by 19:00 hrs. Similar usage most days . Its as if on fast charge it says 100 % but is way down.
As said I'll do some more investigation.
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You know that you can toggle OFF fast-charging and super-fast-charging in the battery settings right?
Try that.
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Xiaomi tells us about graphene batteries and the great challenge posed by the Mi 10 Ultra
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Samsung better listen then.
These batteries should last us 4 years easily. Anything less than that is a rip off.
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Samsung better listen then.
These batteries should last us 4 years easily. Anything less than that is a rip off.
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With heavy usage the Li's are good for 1-2 years. Maybe better in a temp controlled environment.
I stream a lot and that's hard on the battery which is why I now say... live and let die
It's typical for batteries to last longer the slower they're charged. If you're using fast charging when plugged in, you'll see a decrease in the amount of charge that is held throughout the day, compared to wireless charging which is quite a bit slower.
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If i use the official fast charger .....charge up to 100% the next day I barely get 16 hrs and 3 hrs screen time..wireless charge slowly and I get 30 percent more .
Anyone else see a difference??
Uk unlocked s21u for reference.
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Are you sure there aren't any other elements at play? Examples include the applications you used, the temperature, and so on.
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It's typical for batteries to last longer the slower they're charged. If you're using fast charging when plugged in, you'll see a decrease in the amount of charge that is held throughout the day, compared to wireless charging which is quite a bit slower.
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So you're saying if one battery is slow, one is fast charged, both to 3.2 volts, the slow charged one will yield mAhs.
Unless the battery is degraded I have my doubts that it be a significant difference.