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Anyone using SetCPU to throttle the device and get tolerable battery life?

I wish. Not on Verizon!

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I just started using trickster mod and set max frequency to about 2.0GHz. The battery life has increased with no lag. On Lollipop.

obtained said:
I just started using trickster mod and set max frequency to about 2.0GHz. The battery life has increased with no lag. On Lollipop.
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What did you have to do to get trickster working? Just download it? It works straight from the market? H3lp!

zgroten said:
What did you have to do to get trickster working? Just download it? It works straight from the market? H3lp!
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Yeah just download it. You will have to download a busybox installer if you don't have busybox installed as well.

Awesome thanks. What mods and settings have you found useful?

Anyone has had success tweaking new Moto X with SetCPU?

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Anyone has had success tweaking new Moto X with SetCPU?
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SetCPU caused major lag for me personally.. I switched to trickstermod and all seems fine so far

I'm using No Frills, working great across 422MHz - 1GHz ( hardcore testing )

I have never noticed any battery improvement from underclocking, and correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the general consensus (among those actually informed) was that it doesn't actually help because it causes the processor to take longer to complete tasks, canceling out any actual gains.

_MetalHead_ said:
I have never noticed any battery improvement from underclocking, and correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the general consensus (among those actually informed) was that it doesn't actually help because it causes the processor to take longer to complete tasks, canceling out any actual gains.
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After testing for a day almost, I'll say that's crap.. I'm running this guy comfortably at 0.8GHz with ultra small lags, see the battery for yourself. I used to get 4-4.5 hours of max screen on running it untampered and now this damn battery won't die!

ManiacShri said:
After testing for a day almost, I'll say that's crap.. I'm running this guy comfortably at 0.8GHz with ultra small lags, see the battery for yourself. I used to get 4-4.5 hours of max screen on running it untampered and now this damn battery won't die!
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Yeah I dunno man, I'm not underclocked and I can probably get 8+hrs SOT as well if all I'm doing is web browsing and reading. I mean, I average around 6-7hrs SOT on mine (still on 4.4.4) depending on what I'm doing. Everybody's usage patterns are different, which is why I don't trust SOT screen shots. Plus, there is nothing in your second screenshot that shows any actual usage. You have screen, cell standby, wifi, android system... I'm not seeing any apps in there which leads me to believe that isn't a heavy usage scenario for you.
And again, I have underclocked before with many, many devices and haven't seen any actual gains. Also, I have yet to see any actual empirical evidence that shows underclocking helps. Couple that with the fact that many people who are well versed in this stuff (including the CyanogenMod team) have come forward and said that any gains from underclocking are placebo due to the reason I stated before, and I am HIGHLY skeptical.

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Yeah I dunno man, I'm not underclocked and I can probably get 8+hrs SOT as well if all I'm doing is web browsing and reading. I mean, I average around 6-7hrs SOT on mine (still on 4.4.4) depending on what I'm doing. Everybody's usage patterns are different, which is why I don't trust SOT screen shots. Plus, there is nothing in your second screenshot that shows any actual usage. You have screen, cell standby, wifi, android system... I'm not seeing any apps in there which leads me to believe that isn't a heavy usage scenario for you.
And again, I have underclocked before with many, many devices and haven't seen any actual gains. Also, I have yet to see any actual empirical evidence that shows underclocking helps. Couple that with the fact that many people who are well versed in this stuff (including the CyanogenMod team) have come forward and said that any gains from underclocking are placebo due to the reason I stated before, and I am HIGHLY skeptical.
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The reason there's no specific apps you see is because I did what you do in a typical battery test, gaming a bit, reading ,browsing and all the others... So the individual. consumption is well b below 5%.. But yeah even without underclocking i have gotten even 5.5hours which is not bad at all

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Yeah I dunno man, I'm not underclocked and I can probably get 8+hrs SOT as well if all I'm doing is web browsing and reading. I mean, I average around 6-7hrs SOT on mine (still on 4.4.4) depending on what I'm doing. Everybody's usage patterns are different, which is why I don't trust SOT screen shots. Plus, there is nothing in your second screenshot that shows any actual usage. You have screen, cell standby, wifi, android system... I'm not seeing any apps in there which leads me to believe that isn't a heavy usage scenario for you.
And again, I have underclocked before with many, many devices and haven't seen any actual gains. Also, I have yet to see any actual empirical evidence that shows underclocking helps. Couple that with the fact that many people who are well versed in this stuff (including the CyanogenMod team) have come forward and said that any gains from underclocking are placebo due to the reason I stated before, and I am HIGHLY skeptical.
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You can be sceptical because you should be, the cpu throttles already and only uses max speed when needed. With light usage like me (WhatsApp, telegram, 20m phone calls and some mails a day) I get 4 days on 4g and wifi. (I turn my phone on flight mode during the night) I've also disabled moto application (voice is useless in Dutch/not working) The biggest energy consumer is the screen so change your wallpaper to a dark one and close unused background apps (moto voice, google now, virus scanner and all other useless apps. If you use all the social media out there on your phone, no battery capacity is sufficient. I could limit my max cpu speed because the cpu governor probably throttles to max even when launching undemanding apps, but I would probably won't notice any savings.

Red Magic Vs OnePlus 5T speed test

Hello guys, I've got the OnePlus 5T and I was looking to upgrade to the Red Magic eventually but after watching that speed test video https://youtu.be/okGb8lqg8fA I don't see the RM being any faster and the active cooling seems to be a gimmick of some sort as it runs hotter than the OnePlus 5T as shown in that video. I know the firmware is not final but I seriously doubt they'll do any miracles especially in the stock version...but in the same time I'm scared of getting the Chinese version because it probably won't support Play Store and so on. What do you guys think, should I keep the OP5T?

Well hopefully we'll see more optimization before long on the RM. I haven't had any heat issues, and it has seemed cooler than most. Even when I was running an app to intentionally drain the battery by activating everything it didn't get that hot.
Overall for general performance, you won't see much performance difference between the two. They use a lot of the same components. Theoretically you should see some performance gains with game boost on because it locks the last four cores to their max frequency. No operations used trying to dynamically adjust. Really depends on if the app would even benefit from the frequency boost though.

Harfainx said:
Well hopefully we'll see more optimization before long on the RM. I haven't had any heat issues, and it has seemed cooler than most. Even when I was running an app to intentionally drain the battery by activating everything it didn't get that hot.
Overall for general performance, you won't see much performance difference between the two. They use a lot of the same components. Theoretically you should see some performance gains with game boost on because it locks the last four cores to their max frequency. No operations used trying to dynamically adjust. Really depends on if the app would even benefit from the frequency boost though.
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I guess if the game button triggers the full potential of the CPUs that's why it heats up more than the OP5T which never runs on 100% but somehow manages pretty much the same frame rates. You must be right about whether an app can actually utilise the full potential or not.

skromnia said:
I guess if the game button triggers the full potential of the CPUs that's why it heats up more than the OP5T which never runs on 100% but somehow manages pretty much the same frame rates. You must be right about whether an app can actually utilise the full potential or not.
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Old post revived. But did you see the stress test of antutu in that video ? Nubia tries to stay almost to 100% all the time. That's how a gaming aka performance phone should be.

ben cherian said:
Old post revived. But did you see the stress test of antutu in that video ? Nubia tries to stay almost to 100% all the time. That's how a gaming aka performance phone should be.
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How much battery and CPu temp you have while idle?

Xiaomi must optimize the 660 chip.

i bought this phone last week, i am not satisfied with this phone, it gets hot when browsing, lag when playing games(because of the unstable high speed clock), i checked using the aida64 app and the big cores clock speed easily reach 2.2 ghz speed. that was unnecessary, even after turning the battery saver mode, the cores still easily touch 2.2 ghz. i already discussed this on the indonesian mi community, but then i got bullied, people saying it was my fault, not the phone. but there was many thread that complains about lag when playing games and bad battery life. i supose that was because the bad management of cpu cores.
note : i bought this phone in indonesia, with TAM (official) warranty
my rom is currently on the 10.3.6.0(PFGMIXM)
3+32GB model.

Rifaldi34 said:
i bought this phone last week, i am not satisfied with this phone, it gets hot when browsing, lag when playing games(because of the unstable high speed clock), i checked using the aida64 app and the big cores clock speed easily reach 2.2 ghz speed. that was unnecessary, even after turning the battery saver mode, the cores still easily touch 2.2 ghz. i already discussed this on the indonesian mi community, but then i got bullied, people saying it was my fault, not the phone. but there was many thread that complains about lag when playing games and bad battery life. i supose that was because the bad management of cpu cores.
note : i bought this phone in indonesia, with TAM (official) warranty
my rom is currently on the 10.3.6.0(PFGMIXM)
3+32GB model.
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It's very commom for any Snapdragon device to reach top clock speed when in use, download CPU-z and do a little scrolling to see that.
The lag in games you're getting is most probably because of the 3GB RAM of your variant not the CPU as SD660 can handle most mobile games with ease.
About battery life, how much SOT are you getting? RN7 should handle at least 6hrs with some heavy gaming included.
And about temperature, how much degrees is your device peaking at? Anything below 38ºC should be fine.
And lastly, about mi community......well, most people there look like VERY inexperienced users, i wouldn't take them as a parameter to prove your point.

Gonime said:
It's very commom for any Snapdragon device to reach top clock speed when in use, download CPU-z and do a little scrolling to see that.
The lag in games you're getting is most probably because of the 3GB RAM of your variant not the CPU as SD660 can handle most mobile games with ease.
About battery life, how much SOT are you getting? RN7 should handle at least 6hrs with some heavy gaming included.
And about temperature, how much degrees is your device peaking at? Anything below 38ºC should be fine.
And lastly, about mi community......well, most people there look like VERY inexperienced users, i wouldn't take them as a parameter to prove your point.
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3gb of ram is good enough for gaming unless ur playing a heavy game while on youtube and facebook at the same time. the problem with this phone is the aggressive thermal throttling, once the phone reaches 40°c the phone becomes noticeably slower.
my advice to OP is unlock ur bootloader flash some custom rom, custom kernel and root ur device until you find the performance/battery ur looking for.

aron11195 said:
3gb of ram is good enough for gaming unless ur playing a heavy game while on youtube and facebook at the same time. the problem with this phone is the aggressive thermal throttling, once the phone reaches 40°c the phone becomes noticeably slower.
my advice to OP is unlock ur bootloader flash some custom rom, custom kernel and root ur device until you find the performance/battery ur looking for.
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3GB of RAM has not been fine for some time now, there is a lot of games you wouldn't be able to multitask with any other application with only 3GB.
Few examples: TES Blades, Fortnite, PS2 emulation.
Also what are you doing to reach 40° on your device? As for mine never passed 38° and I live in a hot country(Brazil).
I Agree with installing a custom Kernel to improve your performance overall, but right know the best optimized ROM is still MIUI as many threads here suggest.

Gonime said:
3GB of RAM has not been fine for some time now, there is a lot of games you wouldn't be able to multitask with any other application with only 3GB.
Few examples: TES Blades, Fortnite, PS2 emulation.
Also what are you doing to reach 40° on your device? As for mine never passed 38° and I live in a hot country(Brazil).
I Agree with installing a custom Kernel to improve your performance overall, but right know the best optimized ROM is still MIUI as many threads here suggest.
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thats my point, 3gb is enough for games as long as you dont multi task. and this phone is mid range.
im in Philippines, room temperature here is about 37° heavy games like pubg makes my phone temperature skyrocket reaching up to 45° especially with thermal mod.
btw MIUI has the worst ram management for this phone. its closing background apps like no tomorrow, but on any custom rom its actually quite decent.

Rifaldi34 said:
i bought this phone last week, i am not satisfied with this phone, it gets hot when browsing, lag when playing games(because of the unstable high speed clock), i checked using the aida64 app and the big cores clock speed easily reach 2.2 ghz speed. that was unnecessary, even after turning the battery saver mode, the cores still easily touch 2.2 ghz. i already discussed this on the indonesian mi community, but then i got bullied, people saying it was my fault, not the phone. but there was many thread that complains about lag when playing games and bad battery life. i supose that was because the bad management of cpu cores.
note : i bought this phone in indonesia, with TAM (official) warranty
my rom is currently on the 10.3.6.0(PFGMIXM)
3+32GB model.
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Im on the same boat with you bro.
Just Dont bother the hardcore mi fans, especially indonesian mi fans, i know they are jackass sometimes (well Not all of them)
Yes the firmware is really not optimize, battery usage is really inconsistent (typical not optimize firmware)
All we can do is wait for the new OTA.
Strangely the PRO variant get more updated frequently (check official mi website)
But for us indonesian, we are stuck with NON PRO version if we want to use Official waranty hardware.
Good luck

here's how one maximizes their chipsets potential.
1. unlock thy bootloader
2. install custom ROM and kernel
3. ...
4. profit

Gonime said:
It's very commom for any Snapdragon device to reach top clock speed when in use, download CPU-z and do a little scrolling to see that.
The lag in games you're getting is most probably because of the 3GB RAM of your variant not the CPU as SD660 can handle most mobile games with ease.
About battery life, how much SOT are you getting? RN7 should handle at least 6hrs with some heavy gaming included.
And about temperature, how much degrees is your device peaking at? Anything below 38ºC should be fine.
And lastly, about mi community......well, most people there look like VERY inexperienced users, i wouldn't take them as a parameter to prove your point.
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aron11195 said:
3gb of ram is good enough for gaming unless ur playing a heavy game while on youtube and facebook at the same time. the problem with this phone is the aggressive thermal throttling, once the phone reaches 40°c the phone becomes noticeably slower.
my advice to OP is unlock ur bootloader flash some custom rom, custom kernel and root ur device until you find the performance/battery ur looking for.
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Gonime said:
3GB of RAM has not been fine for some time now, there is a lot of games you wouldn't be able to multitask with any other application with only 3GB.
Few examples: TES Blades, Fortnite, PS2 emulation.
Also what are you doing to reach 40° on your device? As for mine never passed 38° and I live in a hot country(Brazil).
I Agree with installing a custom Kernel to improve your performance overall, but right know the best optimized ROM is still MIUI as many threads here suggest.
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aron11195 said:
thats my point, 3gb is enough for games as long as you dont multi task. and this phone is mid range.
im in Philippines, room temperature here is about 37° heavy games like pubg makes my phone temperature skyrocket reaching up to 45° especially with thermal mod.
btw MIUI has the worst ram management for this phone. its closing background apps like no tomorrow, but on any custom rom its actually quite decent.
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sampit76 said:
Im on the same boat with you bro.
Just Dont bother the hardcore mi fans, especially indonesian mi fans, i know they are jackass sometimes (well Not all of them)
Yes the firmware is really not optimize, battery usage is really inconsistent (typical not optimize firmware)
All we can do is wait for the new OTA.
Strangely the PRO variant get more updated frequently (check official mi website)
But for us indonesian, we are stuck with NON PRO version if we want to use Official waranty hardware.
Good luck
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vexa said:
here's how one maximizes their chipsets potential.
1. unlock thy bootloader
2. install custom ROM and kernel
3. ...
4. profit
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Thanks for all your reply, i apreciated it. probably i will wait until miui 11 released, and if the phone still gets hot i will install custom rom and use EX kernel manager to disable input boost and limit the cpu.
for bullying in the mi community, i guess its just troll account ? or the xiaomi guy ? every thread about battery gets bullied by those person only.

5. Find out many bugs and instabilities
6. Start realizing custom roms are not mature yet
7. Go back to stock ROM ?

kennyk09 said:
5. Find out many bugs and instabilities
6. Start realizing custom roms are not mature yet
7. Go back to stock ROM
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not true .. i've been using PE (and revolutionX) and Havoc since mai.
After being on EvolutionX for more than a month, i switched to MIUI EU (coz i missed it) but then went back to trying havoc .. 2 weeks now ZERO problems no heat/lag whatsoever

kennyk09 said:
5. Find out many bugs and instabilities
6. Start realizing custom roms are not mature yet
7. Go back to stock ROM
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ever try miui.eu or masik?
these are very stable, miui-based custom ROMs with zero bloatware and better RAM management.
still a better ROM for people who want better performance / battery life on their xiaomi devices, but too afraid to live on the edge with AOSP ROMs.

AFAIK, that's called thermal-throttle/ing. When RN7 reach its peak performance and certain heat, to prevent overheat normally our device will slowing down its performance and it caused lags and fps drop for sure
I also encounter this problem when playing pubg even with smooth-ultra setting

Rayquaza said:
AFAIK, that's called thermal-throttle/ing. When RN7 reach its peak performance and certain heat, to prevent overheat normally our device will slowing down its performance and it caused lags and fps drop for sure
I also encounter this problem when playing pubg even with smooth-ultra setting
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and thermal throttling can be disabled by using a certain magisk module. although not recommended when ur playing for long period of time. i play max 3hrs highest temperature reached 45°c.

kennyk09 said:
5. Find out many bugs and instabilities
6. Start realizing custom roms are not mature yet
7. Go back to stock ROM
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It happened to me, custom roms aren't good for gaming then switched back to MIUI, when I play phone gets 45 C max, my battery gives 6 hours of straight online gaming, I'm on MIUI Global 10.3.5, Evira kernel 3.8.
:good:

660 wasn't designed for battery efficiency. Still waiting for Franco Kernel, it might fix the issue. My Redmi Note 4x can last up to 10hrs SOT while my Redmi Note 7 can only reach 5hrs even with custom ROM+greenify installed.

The ****tiest phone i ever have, my another phone with 636 even perform better than this. Too many frame drop

rifrish said:
The ****tiest phone i ever have, my another phone with 636 even perform better than this. Too many frame drop
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lol get a good pc if you want to game with high fps.
just bought this phone since my Nexus 6p's battery died and it's really good. im constantly getting up to 10h+ of sot with normal usage.

nardow said:
lol get a good pc if you want to game with high fps.
just bought this phone since my Nexus 6p's battery died and it's really good. im constantly getting up to 10h+ of sot with normal usage.
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Nope. With moderate use I barely get 7, mostly 6. I got this sot by using apps like line, wa, instagram, youtube, browsing, downloading tons of file and one match playing pubg and pes.
I reach 8 to 9 hours sot only if i using wifi and playing videos constantly, minimum social media and no gaming.
Ofc people used their phone different each others. But, im sure they are having same battery drain. People talk about this so many times and everywhere. Ur case having 10+ sot like only happen 1:10 of all lavender users.
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rifrish said:
The ****tiest phone i ever have, my another phone with 636 even perform better than this. Too many frame drop
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Its true continuous gaming on this phone (with stock miui) is bad. You will get smooth gameplay only in short term, like a one match pubg. Then it will start to lag because of heat. We need to keep the phone temp as cool as possible when used for gaming to get less frame drop. Example, playing close to a fan or inside a room with air conditioner on.
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AFAIK, that's called thermal-throttle/ing. When RN7 reach its peak performance and certain heat, to prevent overheat normally our device will slowing down its performance and it caused lags and fps drop for sure
I also encounter this problem when playing pubg even with smooth-ultra setting
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Yes, thermal throttle where the main reason. Its limit cpu whenever temp -read by system- reach 43/44 degree. A temp read by system are mostly not indicate the real temp. Besides, we have clockspeed max at 2.2Ghz, making our phone faster to heats up easilly. Thats why thermal throttling the cpu in such early time. (Its ruins gameplay, isnt it? :v)
If we look inside thermal-engine.conf on lavender, it use two sensor for detection and two step for throttling the cpu. First step it will limit clockspeed by 1,5Ghz and 1,9Ghz. Second step it will limit clockspeed by 1,1Ghz and 1,4Ghz. Because the temp gap between these step are only 1°, so mostly thermal-engine will going to limit clockspeed by 1,1Ghz and 1,4Ghz. Imagine play pubg with that clockspeed, lags and frame drop will occurs oftenly.
I've seen Mi 8 Lite with the same chipset playing pubg continously without any frame drop. I took its thermal-engine configuration and compare them with lavender.
Interestingly there are specified profiles for gaming and pubg are missing on lavender. Thus, both thermal-engine are really different. A same chipset should having same thermal at least. But, this show us that lavender thermal thingy are not being optimized yet while mi8 lite does already.
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5. Find out many bugs and instabilities
6. Start realizing custom roms are not mature yet
7. Go back to stock ROM
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Lol. Agreed XD
Im gonna Re-Unlock my bootloader for the third times and use custom rom when they fix Hals. Till then i stay on miui hoping miuidev did an improvisation with next update.

[EXPERIMENTAL] Throttling and it's caveats

While being owner of my Redmi Note 7, which definitely has some issues, I started experimenting with it.
Throttling is a common term amongst electronics and such. It's a way to safe our precious silicon from eventually cooking under high temperatures. There're a lot of issues involved here. Let me explain:
Xiaomi's belief is maximizing battery life while forgetting about optimal device's performance. Here's the issue, though - neither of which are properly calibrated. For a battery of this size, you would expect something better, but it's not. Looking through system files, there are several thermal config files, which simply tells to the thermal-engine binary at what state device should throttle. Sounds like a good idea, right? Yeah, not quite.
Upon opening these exact config files you see several lines, which describe temperature thresholds and which frequency device should start to use under it's determined state. There's more to this - GPU gets less voltage when it's getting warmer, thus reducing the ability for GPU to reach higher power levels. Everything would be great, if the device wouldn't start to throttle it's clocks at 45° degrees, which is basically nothing.
After seeing device's guts it's safe to state, that our phone has proper cooling done to it. Sure, it's basic, but with that much space and the price this phone is built for, you couldn't ask for better cooling.
So, what can you do to it?
There're several solutions.
-Deleting thermal-engine entirely and forgetting about the problem. Here's the thing, though - it's really dangerous, because not only you lose the ability to monitor your battery's temperature, you could cook your phone while charging. Charging throttling is a thing too, when phone slows down pulling current from a wall as soon as you are doing something intensive. It's a dirty fix with a lot of risks involved.
-Modifying thermal config tables. This way you could ensure device's safety while having optimal device's performance.
-Mounting hugeass cooler at the back of your phone or better yet - mounting cooler straight to the cpu silicon. Jokes aside, this is not recommended at all, unless you're insane and don't care about sacrificing device's size.
I'm actually thinking about making completely custom thermal tables and make them compatible with Magisk. Even if Magisk method wouldn't ensure enough confidence, I will make flashable zip for recovery flashers. Everyone's happy.
FAQ
-But the device has kernel level throttling monitor. That one works too, right?
-Yes, but it does not do anything related to cpu clock management and such. All it does is turning off your device entirely when undesirable temperatures are reached. Thermal-engine is what's monitoring temperatures and adjusting clocks when necessary. Kernel level throttling is there for additional safety, in case thermal-engine is not working properly.
-My device runs great. Why bother modifying what Xiaomi did?
-It's up to you to do anything with your purchase. If you are happy, it's fine, leave it as it is.
-I noticed hugely increased benchmark scores and games working smoother after deleting thermal-engine. Is that normal?
-Exactly. Here's your answer to what thermal-engine actually does. It hampers our device too much.
-When are you going to research this modification?
-As soon as I'm free from doing routinal things: school, job, home and such.
BONUS TIME!
Gfxbench 3 Manhattan 1080p offscreen scores for your reference:
With thermal-engine running: 15fps
Without thermal-engine running: 23fps
REMEMBER, I'M IN NO WAY RECOMMENDING YOU TO DELETE THERMAL-ENGINE. IF YOU DO THIS, IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY WHEN DEVICE STARTS COOKING OR CATCHING FIRE. THIS IS SORT OF MY OBSERVATION OF A PROBLEM OUR DEVICE HAS. EVERYTHING IS AT OUR OWN RISK!

theres currently 2 thermalmod magisk module for our device, one is jthermal and the other is thermalx, currently using thermalx and it essentially removes thermal throttling, highest temp i got was 48°c playing pubg at smooth+extreme settings at noon.

aron11195 said:
theres currently 2 thermalmod magisk module for our device, one is jthermal and the other is thermalx, currently using thermalx and it essentially removes thermal throttling, highest temp i got was 48°c playing pubg at smooth+extreme settings at noon.
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Might give a try. Thanks.

aron11195 said:
theres currently 2 thermalmod magisk module for our device, one is jthermal and the other is thermalx, currently using thermalx and it essentially removes thermal throttling, highest temp i got was 48°c playing pubg at smooth+extreme settings at noon.
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Where are these? I can't find any mods like these for lavender., only for violet.

Morutimeru said:
Where are these? I can't find any mods like these for lavender., only for violet.
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its on the official redmi note 7 telegram.

aron11195 said:
its on the official redmi note 7 telegram.
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I've found them mods on 4pda forums, guys there are really on fire when it comes to this phone.

airidosas252 said:
I've found them mods on 4pda forums, guys there are really on fire when it comes to this phone.
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Oh... I can't understand russian so that's a no for me :/

Morutimeru said:
Oh... I can't understand russian so that's a no for me :/
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I do not recommend using these mods! They completely remove the limits, leaving the phone vulnerable to overheating during charging.
but here is the link JThermal, I took the file I downloaded from telegram and uploaded it. To install use MAGISK!

brundark said:
I do not recommend using these mods! They completely remove the limits, leaving the phone vulnerable to overheating during charging.
but here is the link JThermal, I took the file I downloaded from telegram and uploaded it. To install use MAGISK!
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Thanks! I got a hold of the thermalX one. Registered on 4pda and downloaded it.

Install ACCA from magisk and you'll be able to control max temperature while charging

aron11195 said:
its on the official redmi note 7 telegram.
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can you share the link? to the telegram group

I have tested the jthermodv3 and my battery icon went red warning. I have disabled it instantly and restarted and now vibration doesnt work.
do not make the mistake i did. f*ck this ****.

eraycetin said:
I have tested the jthermodv3 and my battery icon went red warning. I have disabled it instantly and restarted and now vibration doesnt work.
do not make the mistake i did. f*ck this ****.
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Disable battery saver.
edit: where did u get v3? I'm using v2, I'd like to update.

Konduity said:
Disable battery saver.
edit: where did u get v3? I'm using v2, I'd like to update.
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Someone posted it on the first page. I had to format data wierd things happend. Don't flash it!

eraycetin said:
Someone posted it on the first page. I had to format data wierd things happend. Don't flash it!
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Yesterday I flashed this module on latest xiaomi.eu beta and everything is working perfectly. Maybe it works only with MIUI based ROMs?

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Yesterday I flashed this module on latest xiaomi.eu beta and everything is working perfectly. Maybe it works only with MIUI based ROMs?
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It "works" on any rom, but it is not recommended, it lets your phone get really hot, and it destroys the battery life

brundark said:
It "works" on any rom, but it is not recommended, it lets your phone get really hot, and it destroys the battery life
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Yes, I know. Everything in life is a trade. I'm willing to lose some battery lifespan for performance. Not being able to play games @60fps is unacceptable.

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Yesterday I flashed this module on latest xiaomi.eu beta and everything is working perfectly. Maybe it works only with MIUI based ROMs?
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Possible. I was at PE 10 Beta. Maybe it's because of the SDK differences.

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Possible. I was at PE 10 Beta. Maybe it's because of the SDK differences.
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Most of the custom roms reuse already available binaries and stuff from MIUI, unless dev is clever enough to transition fully to CAF, so it should work, I think.
From what I've seen, MIUI is not any different when it comes to thermal configurations. Both of them use the same binary and same configs (they might be changed, not sure)

airidosas252 said:
While being owner of my Redmi Note 7, which definitely has some issues, I started experimenting with it.
Throttling is a common term amongst electronics and such. It's a way to safe our precious silicon from eventually cooking under high temperatures. There're a lot of issues involved here. Let me explain:
Xiaomi's belief is maximizing battery life while forgetting about optimal device's performance. Here's the issue, though - neither of which are properly calibrated. For a battery of this size, you would expect something better, but it's not. Looking through system files, there are several thermal config files, which simply tells to the thermal-engine binary at what state device should throttle. Sounds like a good idea, right? Yeah, not quite.
Upon opening these exact config files you see several lines, which describe temperature thresholds and which frequency device should start to use under it's determined state. There's more to this - GPU gets less voltage when it's getting warmer, thus reducing the ability for GPU to reach higher power levels. Everything would be great, if the device wouldn't start to throttle it's clocks at 45° degrees, which is basically nothing.
After seeing device's guts it's safe to state, that our phone has proper cooling done to it. Sure, it's basic, but with that much space and the price this phone is built for, you couldn't ask for better cooling.
So, what can you do to it?
There're several solutions.
-Deleting thermal-engine entirely and forgetting about the problem. Here's the thing, though - it's really dangerous, because not only you lose the ability to monitor your battery's temperature, you could cook your phone while charging. Charging throttling is a thing too, when phone slows down pulling current from a wall as soon as you are doing something intensive. It's a dirty fix with a lot of risks involved.
-Modifying thermal config tables. This way you could ensure device's safety while having optimal device's performance.
-Mounting hugeass cooler at the back of your phone or better yet - mounting cooler straight to the cpu silicon. Jokes aside, this is not recommended at all, unless you're insane and don't care about sacrificing device's size.
I'm actually thinking about making completely custom thermal tables and make them compatible with Magisk. Even if Magisk method wouldn't ensure enough confidence, I will make flashable zip for recovery flashers. Everyone's happy.
FAQ
-But the device has kernel level throttling monitor. That one works too, right?
-Yes, but it does not do anything related to cpu clock management and such. All it does is turning off your device entirely when undesirable temperatures are reached. Thermal-engine is what's monitoring temperatures and adjusting clocks when necessary. Kernel level throttling is there for additional safety, in case thermal-engine is not working properly.
-My device runs great. Why bother modifying what Xiaomi did?
-It's up to you to do anything with your purchase. If you are happy, it's fine, leave it as it is.
-I noticed hugely increased benchmark scores and games working smoother after deleting thermal-engine. Is that normal?
-Exactly. Here's your answer to what thermal-engine actually does. It hampers our device too much.
-When are you going to research this modification?
-As soon as I'm free from doing routinal things: school, job, home and such.
BONUS TIME!
Gfxbench 3 Manhattan 1080p offscreen scores for your reference:
With thermal-engine running: 15fps
Without thermal-engine running: 23fps
REMEMBER, I'M IN NO WAY RECOMMENDING YOU TO DELETE THERMAL-ENGINE. IF YOU DO THIS, IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY WHEN DEVICE STARTS COOKING OR CATCHING FIRE. THIS IS SORT OF MY OBSERVATION OF A PROBLEM OUR DEVICE HAS. EVERYTHING IS AT OUR OWN RISK!
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Can you tell me how to delete thermal engine please iam currently using redmi note 7 pro.Iam getting a lot of throttling please help

Question Galaxy Tab S8 lagging in games compared to Tab S7

Hello
I have upgraded my Tab S7 to Tab S8. And I have expected new device be much faster and smoother, but what I found that games are really lagging! It was perfectly smooth on S7 but not on S8. Game mode does not help much. I do not play a log of games on this tablet as I used it mostly for developement, but I do play Harry Potter Puzzle and Spells and this game lags pretty bad on S8.
What can be done to fix it or should I wait for Samsung to release update? I do know about Samsung's throttling on S8 devices but I never expect it to be that bad.

And in addition (don't want to open another thread) it seems that S8 has more aggressive memory settings because it unloads apps from memory over time. Which never happened on S7. S8 has more memory and I think it should keep more opened apps, not reloading them. And yes, settings in developer section (do not keep activities) is not enabled

Ray Adams said:
And in addition (don't want to open another thread) it seems that S8 has more aggressive memory settings because it unloads apps from memory over time. Which never happened on S7. S8 has more memory and I think it should keep more opened apps, not reloading them. And yes, settings in developer section (do not keep activities) is not enabled
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This has to do to android 12, s7 was only on android 11, but also is on 12 now. So then it automatically puts apps into deep sleep. You can remove that under battery settings area and remove apps from deep sleep mode.
About lagging it might be new game mode from samsung since apparently samsung did on purpose limit hardware but added a settings into app that let's you gain more performance in games. Should be in game engine or w.e name is and then settings and then Labs and enable experimental feature there that should boost performance and stop limit the hardware for game.

When I replaces S7 it was already on Android 12 but I never observed such behavior. Anyway, I have put game into never sleep list. As about lags, unfortunately I found no options for that

Ray Adams said:
Hello
I have upgraded my Tab S7 to Tab S8. And I have expected new device be much faster and smoother, but what I found that games are really lagging! It was perfectly smooth on S7 but not on S8. Game mode does not help much. I do not play a log of games on this tablet as I used it mostly for developement, but I do play Harry Potter Puzzle and Spells and this game lags pretty bad on S8.
What can be done to fix it or should I wait for Samsung to release update? I do know about Samsung's throttling on S8 devices but I never expect it to be that bad.
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I was noticing this particular with emulation since I don't play many native android games. When playing Sonic Colors at native res on my Tab S7+, it would almost never go below 30fps in level, and almost never below 60fps in the hub and menus. However, when I tried doing the same on the S8+, I had a bunch of stuttering and performance issues no matter what version of dolphin I used. There was a workaround to this (at least for me). These issues only happened when I restored my data to my new S8+ with Smart Switch, but when I just put all my data and stuff on there manually, the issues seemingly stopped happening. The only game I throttle in is Fortnite, which didn't have the 90fps option even though the S7+ did. The game still didn't feel much different before and after the throttle, still pretty consistent framerates overall.
Edit: Just fixing typos.

SavXL said:
I was noticing this particular with emulation since I don't play many native android games. When playing Sonic Colors at native res on my Tab S7+, it would almost never go below 30fps in level, and almost never below 60fps in the hub and menus. However, when I tried doing the same on the S8+, and I had a bunch of stuttering and performance issues no matter what version of dolphin I used. There was a workaround to this (at least for me). These issues only happened when I restored my data to my new S8+ with Smart Switch, but when I just put all my data and stuff on there manually, the issues seemingly stopped happening. The only game I throttle in is Fortnite, which didn't have the 90fps option even though the S7+ did. The game still didn't feel much different before and after the throttle, still pretty consistent framerates overall.
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Did you used cloud backup or restored through cable or it's the same thing? I have similar problem, but with benchmark results. My device can't get even average model score in 3DMark (about 2 to 8%). Geekbench scores are worse than snapdragon 865 devices. I don't know what's going on. I already tried to reflash stock rom with odin, but that didn't help. Hopefully not using cloud backup will help.

HPLazerJetPrinter1012 said:
Did you used cloud backup or restored through cable or it's the same thing? I have similar problem, but with benchmark results. My device can't get even average model score in 3DMark (about 2 to 8%). Geekbench scores are worse than snapdragon 865 devices. I don't know what's going on. I already tried to reflash stock rom with odin, but that didn't help. Hopefully not using cloud backup will help.
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I initially restored with a cable, but once I started getting shawty performance, I made a backup on my sd card and restored it from there with Smart Switch. I never used cloud backup since that takes a lot of time for me. After getting suboptimal results with both, I just bit the bullet and slowly started adding everything and getting it to how it was on my old devices. Only then did I get getting substatiall better results. Now I can run a lot of Wii/GC/3DS/PS2 games at 1.5x, 2x, and sometimes even 3x without getting throttled. Not sure why using smart switch tanked my performance, but all I know is that it's not tanking now.

Thats interesting. Because I also moved data using cable. I do not know how good is cloud since I never did it before (only on Apple devices).
I might try to fully format tablet and test it again.
Will provide more information later

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Thats interesting. Because I also moved data using cable. I do not know how good is cloud since I never did it before (only on Apple devices).
I might try to fully format tablet and test it again.
Will provide more information later
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I tried formatting few days ago, and that didn't help. At least for me this problem is not related to Smart Switch. Do you also have bad benchmark scores? I understand that benchmarks are not very good indicator of performance (especially due to GOS), but I expect to have at least average SD8gen1 performance, not the level of SD855.

Did reset to factory settings. It is much better at least for now. Benchmark - tested only Geekbench 5. Result the same

Hi.. I'm experiencing the same problem here.. any updates regarding this problem? My geekbench score can't even surpass an exynos 2100.. it only achieve around 700ish on single core.. the first time I notice this is when I tried playing granturismo with aethersx2.. and it can't even handle the 1x reso.. hhhh.. really frustrated here.. please kindly share any clues regarding this topic thanks in advance.. sorry not a native English speaker

I had same problem, but, i solved using this:
ADB AppControl 1.7.5
(disable all game service (i'm not remember how many)). For me it's work great
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i disabled bixdy and others apps too

First.. thank you for the answer! Might try it out later..
So it's like disabling the "GOS" right? Is it different from the "alternate game performance" option in game booster? They said it's the "official" way to disable the GOS.. but yeah I didn't find any difference after enabling that option though... Hmm..
Hmm...also.. What makes me wonder is.. I saw some reviewers review this device without any tweaking needed and they could achieve a 8gen1'ish results in benchmarks.. and also if you know ETA prime on YouTube.. he reviewed a tab s8 ultra and is able to run a granturismo 4 with aethersx2 (ps2 emulator) in 3x reso in default settings with no problems... I know it's a different device but it's supposed to have a same Chip right?
All of this things makes me frustrated because it was not what i expected from a 8gen1 device.. moreover I saw a sd870 device could run the granturismo 4 in the same settings with no problems.. it really broke my heart..

The issue mainly lies in the SOC.
Even though, SD8 Gen 1 has a much higher peak performance, especially in GPU, it can't sustain that performance due to excesive power consumption which results in thermal throttling.
GOS is another thing that affects the whole experience, it's limiting the performance of the device.

ekin_strops said:
The issue mainly lies in the SOC.
Even though, SD8 Gen 1 has a much higher peak performance, especially in GPU, it can't sustain that performance due to excesive power consumption which results in thermal throttling.
GOS is another thing that affects the whole experience, it's limiting the performance of the device.
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Yeah.. I think this is mainly what cause the problem.. The 8gen1 itself..
a quick update regarding this from me..
I've done some re-test in benchmark and real game perfomance but this time im doing it in a well conditioned (cooled) room..
previously I was doing the test and gaming and in a room without any Air Conditioner and I lived in a tropical country which is really hot and humid...
the benchmark results (3d wildlife) came out Nice in a well cooled room, It scores what most of Tab S8 would score and the real life perfomance (PS2 emulator) is also improved..
it manages to handle GranTurismo 4 in aethersx2 with 3x reso on safe setting quite well..
the CPU temperature is well managed in around 35'ish Celcius compared to 45'ish when not using any air conditioner...

Bege21 said:
Yeah.. I think this is mainly what cause the problem.. The 8gen1 itself..
a quick update regarding this from me..
I've done some re-test in benchmark and real game perfomance but this time im doing it in a well conditioned (cooled) room..
previously I was doing the test and gaming and in a room without any Air Conditioner and I lived in a tropical country which is really hot and humid...
the benchmark results (3d wildlife) came out Nice in a well cooled room, It scores what most of Tab S8 would score and the real life perfomance (PS2 emulator) is also improved..
it manages to handle GranTurismo 4 in aethersx2 with 3x reso on safe setting quite well..
the CPU temperature is well managed in around 35'ish Celcius compared to 45'ish when not using any air conditioner...
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CPU temperature 35 Celsius degrees? Are you talking about an ABSOLUTE idle? Because even if you would put a bag of ice on the TAB it wouldn't sit that low under usage. Even small loads will put the CPU around 50-60 Celsius degrees. Under heavy load up to 85-90 till the thermal throttle hits in.
Also, that ONE wildlife mark test doesn't do much. The idea is stability, better known as SUSTAINED performance, and that's where SD8 Gen 1 ****s itself. Try running a Wildlife standard stress test (20-minute loop) and post the screenshot, you'll see what I mean.

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CPU temperature 35 Celsius degrees? Are you talking about an ABSOLUTE idle? Because even if you would put a bag of ice on the TAB it wouldn't sit that low under usage. Even small loads will put the CPU around 50-60 Celsius degrees. Under heavy load up to 85-90 till the thermal throttle hits in.
Also, that ONE wildlife mark test doesn't do much. The idea is stability, better known as SUSTAINED performance, and that's where SD8 Gen 1 ****s itself. Try running a Wildlife standard stress test (20-minute loop) and post the screenshot, you'll see what I mean.
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I only saw the perf-z indicator from samsung though.. so yeah.. i know i might just straight up wrong about this I just straight saying what I saw.. and honestly I'm not an expert in this.. just a mere consumer..
Yeah I got you.. it goes downhill even after the first one.. what I'm trying to say was that I never reach that score before in warm room so yeah it's mainly the CPU problem..
What mainly being my concern before was I'm scared that I got scammed with a fake/unoriginal/refurbished tab s8.....

Harry Potter plays fluently on Tab S8 Plus here.

I have sent my S8 to my mom and bought S8 plus. Did not restore, set it up from scratch. No lagging in games, including HP. So, it could be related to thermal soliton in S8 plus as it is bigger

Bege21 said:
First.. thank you for the answer! Might try it out later..
So it's like disabling the "GOS" right? Is it different from the "alternate game performance" option in game booster? They said it's the "official" way to disable the GOS.. but yeah I didn't find any difference after enabling that option though... Hmm..
Hmm...also.. What makes me wonder is.. I saw some reviewers review this device without any tweaking needed and they could achieve a 8gen1'ish results in benchmarks.. and also if you know ETA prime on YouTube.. he reviewed a tab s8 ultra and is able to run a granturismo 4 with aethersx2 (ps2 emulator) in 3x reso in default settings with no problems... I know it's a different device but it's supposed to have a same Chip right?
All of this things makes me frustrated because it was not what i expected from a 8gen1 device.. moreover I saw a sd870 device could run the granturismo 4 in the same settings with no problems.. it really broke my heart..
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Yes you have to run 4 adb Commands that also disables game booster and game launcher then GOS will stay disabled even after restart. I've done this and turn ram plus off. I also disabled or put into deep sleep all of the bs apps. I also went to advance features and turned off all of everything causes I don't use the s-pen so no need for air actions and stuff to be on. If you want the ADB commands let me know.