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Some nexus device owner bought nexus device(s) because they want to get the first taste of the new android software update. This time, Google seemed to broke their promise by delaying the update for Nexus 5 and letting LG G3 owners get their hands on Lollipop before Nexus 5 owners do And there's a big chance that the new moto x owners will too.
Not to mention now that many OEMs are promising more and more faster software update (moto, sony, htc, and now LG), do you guys think it's still worth it to own a Nexus device? I know there's still the other factor such as vanilla android, but that's it.
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Some nexus device owner bought nexus device(s) because they want to get the first taste of the new android software update. This time, Google seemed to broke their promise by delaying the update for Nexus 5 and letting LG G3 owners get their hands on Lollipop. And there's a big chance that the new moto x owners will too.
Not to mention now that many OEMs are promising more and more faster software update (moto, sony, htc, and now LG), do you guys think it's still worth it to own a Nexus device? I know there's still the other factor such as vanilla android, but that's it.
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I bought my Nexus 5 because at $350 it was the best deal. Faster updates was secondary since I run a third party ROM on my phone. IMO it's great that LG, Moto, and HTC has=ve committed to faster updates and hopefully the other OEMs follow suit.
Also let's not forget the fact that we've had access to Lollipop since Google I/O 2014 (June) when they released the Developer Preview while the other guys didn't.
Sigh. Did you forget we got a dev preview(s)? Did you miss the memo about there being bugs and that that's why it's delayed? A nexus device will still always be pure android. So no, I don't care that other OEM's are pushing it out faster. If fact that's a good thing for Android. For years Google has been trying to do what you're complaining about. It's only a week or two. In fact I hope it still happens, just so I can be amused by threads such as this.
I'd imagine all future incremental releases come faster to the nexus line than oems ...so I'll just wait...plan on getting a nexus 6 anyways...and who knows how long that will take lol
I think its a good thing OEMs are pushing out Android L so quickly.... so many OEMs don't update there phones at all or if they do its 5-7 months after a new release of android. In my opinion this is great news for Android. I would rather Google sit on the Lollipop for N5 and get the bugs resolved first then release it. Even if it means a month. I mean we have had the Dev preview since June, after all this time is it going to kill anyone to wait a little longer? I think everyone needs to calm down. I am enjoying this build of Lollipop:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...-android-lpv-dev-n5-enhanced-t2856934/page796
And it has been running excellent. So big thank you to al the devs who are working hard on these Android L roms. And when Google get official L out there we will all benefit from it, but in good time when Google feels its in tip top shape for the masses.
We need a new sub forum for rants!!
It really is great that oems are able to push out updates so soon.
Really don't see a point of ppl making new threads for this..
vbz89 said:
We need a new sub forum for rants!!
It really is great that oems are able to push out updates so soon.
Really don't see a point of ppl making new threads for this..
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no kind sir, as a matter of fact this is not a rant. the purpose of my thread is to see whether people really see a downgrade value in owning a Nexus device, since one of the main perks of owning a Nexus device is to be the first device to get a new Android software. and since it is true that we did get the developer preview, it couldn't be said that it was usable as a daily driver.
If the choice of words that i used in this thread may cause a confusion that some people think this is a rant thread, then i beg your pardon since my English is not sufficient enough.
I bought a N5 because it was a great price and I like pure Android. Is it really that big a deal that some other phone got updated a few days before the N5 did? People get way too nuts over updates. The N5 will have it soon, I promise.
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First world problems.......
I didn't buy it to be first to get updates....I bought it as a great value smartphone first and foremost, it still regardless of updates you know
I didn't buy it for the updates. I'm not upset by others releasing a bugged aosp source. It is a good thing for the ecosystem that the OEMS are releasing updates so quickly. Would you rather have update after quick update due to bugs, or one pretty solid release. No other line of devices got the official previews. The latest preview has been stable for a daily driver!
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no kind sir, as a matter of fact this is not a rant. the purpose of my thread is to see whether people really see a downgrade value in owning a Nexus device, since one of the main perks of owning a Nexus device is to be the first device to get a new Android software. and since it is true that we did get the developer preview, it couldn't be said that it was usable as a daily driver.
If the choice of words that i used in this thread may cause a confusion that some people think this is a rant thread, then i beg your pardon since my English is not sufficient enough.
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You should also read more closely. The article you are getting your information clearly stated lg is trying it in Poland not the US out any other major market.
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If you want to know the reason why I bought a nexus 5? I will answer this in Nov 2015 when Android M comes out and again we wait for its release on our nexus 5s(in 4-5 weeks) while other OEM flagship phones of current age wait in doubt of the release(4-5 months). I bought the device for it's solid software support, not necessarily faster but a solid 2-3 year support official support and most probably a 5 year community support. But then again most people sell the devices 2-3 years down the line.
It's not about other devices getting OTAs faster it's about getting the better of them all. I know this had been mentioned a couple of times before but LG G3 and the Moto X got a test release, something which we received 3-4months back I believe. Google does not abandon it's nexus range device without a proper goodbye.
There are more important things in the world.
It's really rather whether any device has an update. The reason for the delay is known, who would like Lollipop may already have run long.
And then I buy a Nexus because I like Nexus and not to previously have an update maybe a few days. Envy is something really repulsive.
Don't compare 2013 device with 2014 device.
If you really want to compare, please compare LG G3 vs Nexus 6 for 2014, which one is faster to get Lollipop.
2013 devices are LG G2 vs Nexus 5. Which one is faster? :silly:
Are you kidding??!!!!You could install it from 6 month ago.
LG g3 didn't receive anything yet. Just because there was an announcement doesn't mean its released. Besides I hear the nexus 5 gets it on the 12th
I would not trade my nexus 5 for an LG g. Besides, I have been running android l for months. Sure, it's great that os like lg and Motorola are taking the available 5.0 software and porting it to their devices, this is great for everyone.... but that software they are using is no further forward than is currently available for nexus devices.... They aren't getting a finished version.
What's the point in buying a nexus? That's something only you can decide for yourself. Buy what ever takes your fancy at the time
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I bought my Nexus 5 because at $350 it was the best deal. Faster updates was secondary since I run a third party ROM on my phone. IMO it's great that LG, Moto, and HTC has=ve committed to faster updates and hopefully the other OEMs follow suit.
Also let's not forget the fact that we've had access to Lollipop since Google I/O 2014 (June) when they released the Developer Preview while the other guys didn't.
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For me faster updates were the most important thing than came the hardware specs..
The real question is when will the g2 get the updates g3 being the latest and greatest from LG is getting the update but the older devices will not get it for some time. However the nexus 4 and 5 are not the latest still they will get the update very soon. So if you plan on getting the latest flagship devices you don't need to worry about updates that much but if you plan on keeping your device for a few years nexus is still a great proposition.
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http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/572117/20141109/nexus-5-7-10-android-0-lollipop.htm#.VGB55PmG9E8
this is fast enought
I think the specs for the OnePlus Three for the price are AMAZING and unbelievable, it's almost $150 less than the Nexus 6P, with 2016 flagship hardware, and the leaked pictures show it to be a very high quality crafted device. The new Three looks like a larger HTC 10, which is fine by me, as the 10 is a great smartphone.
But...
My biggest gripes with OPO are the slow Android updates. I recall Lollipop taking for god damn ever to officially make it out for the original One, like 6 months, or you could have installed the alpha CM11 at the time, which was pretty buggy until the bugs were worked out, obviously, but the official OnePlus One Lollipop OS update took a very long time.
This OnePlus Three will be lucky to see Android N within 90 days after the Nexus phones get it first in October, or you can install the alpha CM14 sooner on it, and live through all the kinks and bugs, that will have, while waiting for OPO to release N.
I thought one of the big features on these OPO phones being AOSP based, would have been super fast Android updates, not Nexus fast updates obviously, but at least faster than the skinned versions of Android like HTC, LG, Samsung, etc... but that hasn't been the case. I thought OnePlus would have the latest version of Android on them within like 30 days or so after Nexus phones, in reality they are worse than Samsung.
Bottom line; Great flagship hardware for a budget price. Beautiful design.
But...software is really amateur for an official professional phone release. I'd rather Cyanogen be back on board creating a stable pro CM13S for this phone. Oxygen OS still seems like some weekend development project.
OnePlus came late with their Android6.0 update for the OP2, so I share your concerns.
But the custom development for the OP3 will be great, so many ROMS there before the official updates.
And many other brands are also slow with updates, or even slower. (not an excuse for OnePlus )
I will go for the OP3 because:
to go for a device with guaranteed faster updates you limit your device choice, you will most likely pay a lot more, and the specs won't be much better, and the XDA development will most likely be worse.
So (expecting) slow updates is a legit disadvantage, but it doesn't win from the advantages in my opinion.
Good points thanks
Now let's see some real hands on reviews. How good is the AMOLED screen being in 1080p ? Is the build quality as high and great like HTC 10 ? Speaker sounds ? Feel in hand ?
I know hardware wise it's gonna be a champ.
I guess you did not see the news?
http://www.xda-developers.com/oxygenos-open-sourced-ahead-of-oneplus-3-launch/
Will that news get us Android N much faster ? I wanna see the OnePlus Three get Android N like 30 days after the Nexus phones, then i impressed.
I just got the one plus two yesterday, found out about the 3 two days after I ordered, ugh. No worries though, I believe it will be released by the 14th and that is well within my return period!
I can't even explain how cool just the box it comes in is! This is quality I would pay s7 prices for, hands down. I keep looking around for cops every time I pick up the phone, feels like I stole it! But seriously, the OTA's don't bother me a bit, they'll get here when they get here! I feel like the development here on xda will be enough to tide someone over until we get a proper image. I feel like this OP3 is going to be the banger for one plus all together.
The 1080p question the OP had, I honestly feel like that's just a marketing ploy by the big boys, can the naked eye really tell on a phone, even this size? For me personally, I don't notice anything! I honestly think you'll be able to look past both of those once you feel the box...lol!
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while we all are at xda, i don't really care about update from OP. You bet - the very first custom ROM will be available in weeks from June 14th and android N will be on OP# in days.
As someone who has paid top dollar for Samsung flagship phones, all I can say is that updates are slow here, too - maybe even slower than Oneplus .
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obviously it will be slower getting ota's compared to nexus devices. but the op3 should have a good dev community so i wouldn't worry.
how do we know there won't be development issues with the OP3 like there were with the OP2?
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how do we know there won't be development issues with the OP3 like there were with the OP2?
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We don't but as oos is open source and i think oneplus won't make the mistake twice, as the community will have a look, how they handle stuff
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We don't but as oos is open source and i think oneplus won't make the mistake twice, as the community will have a look, how they handle stuff
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Well, OOS isn't so "open-source". They forked CAF code and they put it on github.
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how do we know there won't be development issues with the OP3 like there were with the OP2?
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Maybe this forums.oneplus.net/threads/rom-6-0-1-unofficial-cyanogenmod-13.450156 answers your question.
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obviously it will be slower getting ota's compared to nexus devices. but the op3 should have a good dev community so i wouldn't worry.
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I don't care about the development community for any device. I judge a phone by the speed of its official updates.
Super Chimp said:
I don't care about the development community for any device. I judge a phone by the speed of its official updates.
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It will get N just not as fast as nexus but probably faster than samsung or lg.
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It will get N just not as fast as nexus but probably faster than samsung or lg.
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I wouldn't count on that. The oneplus team is very small and it took them longer than lg and Samsung to release marshmallow.
I'm considering replacing my Nexus 5 with OP3. Do they provide monthly security updates like google?
mykimouse said:
There's a Telegram Super Group where Devs/Modders/Testers/Users can join and expect quick replies and updates.
Lets join it https://telegram.me/OnePlus_3
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Seriously considering getting one of these, just trying to justify the amount of money I need to spend to obtain one, at that point I will join the group.
First OTA update for the OP3
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First OTA update for the OP3
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Can you send me the boot.img from your device? I will remove verity checks and I am not sure if encryption is on by default, I can also remove that.
Recently, we noticed lots of OP3/3T users asking questions related to future software support for their devices. To better keep everyone in the loop, we invited @oliver Z. , our Head of Product to answer some of the most commonly asked questions from the community.
David: Hi Oliver. First, could you please explain why many more updates were released for the OP5 than the OP3/3T in recent times?
Oliver: Sure, we have been gathering plenty of user feedback on the OP5 following the launch in mid-June. We dedicated our efforts in the first 1-2 months after release to better satisfy users’ needs and boost our latest product’s capabilities.
Normally, we release a new Official Release (OTA) update every 1-2 months. If you’d like to taste some of the latest OxygenOS features earlier, and receive updates more frequently, you’re more than welcome to join our Open Beta Program. Currently, we release Open Beta updates for the OP3/3T approximately once every month.
David: Some users asked why some new features, which are available through the Open Beta Program, are not implemented in the stable build releases on the OP3/3T?
Oliver: We’ve always positioned the Beta Program as a public laboratory for new features, feedback, and bug testing. This helps us improve the code of all of our MP builds. We unfortunately, cannot guarantee every feature present in the Open Betas will transition to the Official releases. Often times, even though the feature seems stable enough in the Beta builds, they are not ready or do not meet our quality standards for public release. (And yes, sometimes we test the value of upcoming features through the Open Beta Program for release in new or upcoming devices or later software updates.) In some situations, our limited development and QT resources force us to bring these features to one device first. These features are then introduced on other older devices further down the road. We love how the program has grown, but we do have to admit that we still have room to improve and better optimize the Open Beta Program.
Also, I’d like to take this opportunity to thank our users who have joined either our Closed Beta Program or our Open Beta Program. You have all helped us shape the functionalities and quality of OxygenOS.
David: What are you planning with regards to security updates for the OP3/3T?
Oliver: In keeping with the original schedule, we planned to update OxygenOS on the OP3/3T to version 4.5, with the latest security patch level update, in the next 1-2 months. However, some feedback from the community caught our attention and we decided to tweak it a little bit. We’ll split the update into two parts. First, we’ll update the security patch level to August, which will be released soon. The OxygenOS 4.5 update will be released at the scheduled time.
David: So the OP3/3T will soon catch up with the current version on the OP5, but some features on the OP5 will not be available on the OP3/3T, right?
Oliver: Yes, those missing features are mainly a result of hardware differences, such as the availability of Reading Mode on the OP5, which depends on the RGB sensor. The OP3/3T don’t have that hardware interface, so we are unable to release this feature on these two devices. The same reason applies to the new off-screen gestures and DCI-P3 screen calibration.
David: My last question is very important to OP3/3T users. How long will the OP3/3T continue to receive software support?
Oliver: Android O is going to be the last Android version update we’ll release for OP3/3T. We’ll continue to release security patch updates for the foreseeable future, and offer support for individual application updates. After the OP3/3T have been updated to Android O, we’ll start moving the Open Beta Program from OP3/3T to OP5.
Alright that's all I wanted to ask. Did you find answers to all of your questions? If not, leave your questions in the comments below and we’ll get back to you soon. Thank you all and enjoy the upcoming weekend!
Yours,
David
Friends I am sharing this just FYI that OP3/3T support is going to receive O and few updates after that and then the open beta program will move to OP5 and slowly the support for OP3/3T will end as usual with older models.
With in a year the OP3 has turned as old device ..?[emoji22] ..opting OP3 is very bad experience.
Stop selling the product in Amazon India..
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android.reddy143 said:
With in a year the OP3 has turned as old device ..?[emoji22] ..opting OP3 is very bad experience.
Stop selling the product in Amazon India..
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Not sure what you really expected. This has been the companies MO since day one. If you thought it would be different then no one is at fault other then you. Do the needed research and you will be fine. Also just a news flash but the every device is old by the time you get it. Heck unless you compile the OS your selfe then your software is outdated as well.
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Not sure what you really expected. This has been the companies MO since day one. If you thought it would be different then no one is at fault other then you. Do the needed research and you will be fine. Also just a news flash but the every device is old by the time you get it. Heck unless you compile the OS your selfe then your software is outdated as well.
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I did not understand what exactly you would like to convey.
You mean that , OP no exception , compare to any other organization? If you agree that ..all other companies respect thire flagship devices at most recent, even though they release different flagships in a year.
And other vendors are not able to provide software update very frequently due to various reasons ex. Hadware compatibility, upcoming model in the same price...etc. Here they did not annouce anything from company for flagships.
OP had releases flagship devices and no support get from company? Strange...[emoji15][emoji24]
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I did not understand what exactly you would like to convey.
You mean that , OP no exception , compare to any other organization? If you agree that ..all other companies respect thire flagship devices at most recent, even though they release different flagships in a year.
And other vendors are not able to provide software update very frequently due to various reasons ex. Hadware compatibility, upcoming model in the same price...etc. Here they did not annouce anything from company for flagships.
OP had releases flagship devices and no support get from company? Strange...[emoji15][emoji24]
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When O comes out the device will be about 18 months old. The same cut off point that other flagships offer. Some flagships never even see an update.
What I mean to convey is simple. If you are worried about updates then the only way to be sure is to get a device that you can build the OS for yourself. Most devices (even Flagships) come with outdated kernels and to be up to date you would have to flash every single day and sometimes a few times a day.
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I did not understand what exactly you would like to convey.
You mean that , OP no exception , compare to any other organization? If you agree that ..all other companies respect thire flagship devices at most recent, even though they release different flagships in a year.
And other vendors are not able to provide software update very frequently due to various reasons ex. Hadware compatibility, upcoming model in the same price...etc. Here they did not annouce anything from company for flagships.
OP had releases flagship devices and no support get from company? Strange...[emoji15][emoji24]
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Actually you get a damm lot support. Look how many updates there have been. Samsung still runs 7.0 if you have a Huawei you get 6 updates spreaded around 2 years, those updates contain minor bug fixes nothing special at all. And so on. You paid €400 for a phone and expect everything!
People complain at anything, Every device is supported for 24 months or less.. in most cases 18 or less Be glad it's getting O and not the sh!t show OP2 was.. But I give credit where it's due to OP my OP3 has had way more updates and fixes than my S7 Edge and that costs twice the price.. and still running outdated sh!tty 7.0.. So all isn't bad as long as OP keeps their devices up to date and fast with source code I can see them being the device to go to for Modding as such
android.reddy143 said:
With in a year the OP3 has turned as old device ..?[emoji22] ..opting OP3 is very bad experience.
Stop selling the product in Amazon India..
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We got or will get 3 major android versions on op3, thats actually pretty good for a manufacturer. What did you expect?
MarcTremonti said:
We got or will get 3 major android versions on op3, thats actually pretty good for a manufacturer. What did you expect?
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The device did not get 3 major android versions as that would mean it came out with 5.0 but it came out with 6.0 even though 7.1 had been out when it was released.
Either way. The device should be ok for unofficial updates for atleast another year or 2 before the lack of updated kernel source will make the updates less.
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The device did not get 3 major android versions as that would mean it came out with 5.0 but it came out with 6.0 even though 7.1 had been out when it was released.
Either way. The device should be ok for unofficial updates for atleast another year or 2 before the lack of updated kernel source will make the updates less.
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Read my post. I said we got or will get 3 versions.
Marshmallow, nougat und the new O. So 3 versions. And thats pretty decent.
Besides that its an ex flagship, so we will enjoy good custom rom support.
Even my old Htc One S (jellybean latest official update) recently got nougat ressurrection remix which is working flawlessly.
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Read my post. I said we got or will get 3 versions.
Marshmallow, nougat und the new O. So 3 versions. And thats pretty decent.
Besides that its an ex flagship, so we will enjoy good custom rom support.
Even my old Htc One S (jellybean latest official update) recently got nougat ressurrection remix which is working flawlessly.
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I wouldn't call it a flagship but close enough.
It shipped with 6.0 when it should have shipped with 7.0 at least. So I don't count that at all.
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I wouldn't call it a flagship but close enough.
It shipped with 6.0 when it should have shipped with 7.0 at least. So I don't count that at all.
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OP3 Shipped in June 2016, 7.0 didn't release till August 2016..
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I wouldn't call it a flagship but close enough.
It shipped with 6.0 when it should have shipped with 7.0 at least. So I don't count that at all.
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What else to call it? It directly competed with other flagships.
And it coulndt be shipped with 7, when 7 wasnt even available to that point, lol. So you can count 6.
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What else to call it? It directly competed with other flagships.
And it coulndt be shipped with 7, when 7 wasnt even available to that point, lol. So you can count 6.
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I call it a high midrange.
No I never count the OS it comes with.
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I call it a high midrange.
No I never count the OS it comes with.
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Totally agree. The OS the phone comes with out of the box is never counted as an update. :highfive:
If we get Android O, that will be our 2nd major OS update.
I agree with others that we've definitely had better support than Samsung Flagships in the past year.
Support has been great. Look how much updates we got, next to that how many of them where useful? Alot! We got alot better support then Samsung and Huawei at least. If they bring us a proper and stable Android 8.0 I am completely fine with it! Keep in mind this only is a €399/429 phone .
I dont know whats wrong with oneplus with the monthly updates and security patches, but that was the most importat thing that i wanted on my new phone and i switched from samsung note 9. Generally im happy with the performance but without the updates i noticed that the battery life and a little lag comes after a while.
peace
Their is no monthly updates only Bi-Monthly (2 Months) but they're lacking a bit..
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I dont know whats wrong with oneplus with the monthly updates and security patches, but that was the most importat thing that i wanted on my new phone and i switched from samsung note 9. Generally im happy with the performance but without the updates i noticed that the battery life and a little lag comes after a while.
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Beta gets them monthly... Dunno what you're talking about but they're one of the few that provides monthly security updates.
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Beta gets them monthly... Dunno what you're talking about but they're one of the few that provides monthly security updates.
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On the 6t im still on the January security patch.
1+ suckered you and me into purchasing this phone..
Its a good phone let down by software implementations for worldwide audfences not just India!
Hardware wise the only issues are the camera software(The grainy blurry images when zoomed in are unfortunate)
Why no true AOD.
1+ fanboys feel free to take a step back, digest, then provide a non fanboy response........
touche at the ready.........
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On the 6t im still on the January security patch.
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Not sure why
Because your on the beta... Obviously...
They have the option with the beta but the beta can introduce bugs down the road.
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Because your on the beta... Obviously...
They have the option with the beta but the beta can introduce bugs down the road.
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Nope im in the latest stable OS. https://www.oneplus.com/de/support/softwareupgrade/details?code=9 this one
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Because your on the beta... Obviously...
They have the option with the beta but the beta can introduce bugs down the road.
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And like I initially said, if you read, on beta...
I'm not entirely sure why people are bent out of shape over not getting monthly updates. I guess I'm missing something. For me the updates come when they come, and in the meantime I just use the device and never think about what security patch it's on.
But that's me.
Its says open beta 7 on your first screen ! (Please give a cookie to this guy)
Latest stable(9.0.12) is on janury security patch, stop drug man you are already on the latest beta, that's why you have more telemetry, more battery drain, less stability but you are on latest security patch... (omegalul)
PS : Stop to play with your phone If you do not know what you're doing with.
Omagad, poor xda...
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Its says open beta 7 on your first screen ! (Please give a cookie to this guy)
Latest stable(9.0.12) is on janury security patch, stop drug man you are already on the latest beta, that's why you have more telemetry, more battery drain, less stability but you are on latest security patch... (omegalul)
PS : Stop to play with your phone If you do not know what you're doing with.
Omagad, poor xda...
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Well original poster never said he was on stable. So that's why I said, if you want latest and are concerned, beta gives it. If you don't want to do that, stop complaining Imo. OnePlus still does better than majority of companies
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Well original poster never said he was on stable. So that's why I said, if you want latest and are concerned, beta gives it. If you don't want to do that, stop complaining Imo. OnePlus still does better than majority of companies
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Im talking about you (and your screenshot when you say not sure why) and not the original poster.
Beta gives it definitly with more telemetry, more battery drain and less stability, it's paradoxal for a homogeneous ROMs focused on security.
Actually, I bought all the smartphones of the brand and Oneplus are funny about the speed of deployment of security patches.
Essential, Nokia and Google are 15x faster to deploy an update on their terminals, it's not just a fanboy response, we're in the factual there.
So yes clearly Oneplus is at the top of the table and I never say otherwise however it is just correct for the deployment of updates, i'm sorry for Oneplus but how many smartphones to manage ?
Essential, Nokia and Google are more responsive, end of the story.
Did everyone forget that the entire staff took a few weeks off for religious holiday. The pipeline of updates doesn't just start dripping out the other end instantly.
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Im talking about you (and your screenshot when you say not sure why) and not the original poster.
Beta gives it definitly with more telemetry, more battery drain and less stability, it's paradoxal for a homogeneous ROMs focused on security.
Actually, I bought all the smartphones of the brand and Oneplus are funny about the speed of deployment of security patches.
Essential, Nokia and Google are 15x faster to deploy an update on their terminals, it's not just a fanboy response, we're in the factual there.
So yes clearly Oneplus is at the top of the table and I never say otherwise however it is just correct for the deployment of updates, i'm sorry for Oneplus but how many smartphones to manage ?
Essential, Nokia and Google are more responsive, end of the story.
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Never noticed any difference in stability or anything going stable to beta. Maybe you do, but I do not and have only had better results running beta VS stable. I have no extra telemetry VS stable so cut the crap with That please and thank it.
OnePlus providing updates for a lot longer these days than even Google is supplying for there phones. OnePlus 3,still getting pie and its 3 years old coming up. That's far longer than Google gives updates. Essential has one phone to take care so come on,don't go there,that's not fair to compare to, unless you know of more than one phone that essential builds that no one else seems to have purchased.... Google to OnePlus is similar in asking of devices to support especially considering size of Google as a whole.
I think it's very easy to criticize OnePlus when they're supporting MULTIPLE devices as much as they are. Look at companies like Samsung, LG, Google, Motorola, and others. Their update cycles are slower, less frequent, and don't last as long in the long-term. Yes, OnePlus has always been known as an enthusiast brand and was for us who like to tinker with their phones. But they're a company who need to make a profit, and they've really had to restructure as they grow to keep up with demand. They also release phones every 6 months, and I'm sure they've had to spend enormous resources to design the 7, while still supporting devices like the 3. No company is perfect, but they're far superior, in my eyes, at maintaining devices that can compete with other manufacturers, while also having to follow guidelines of other companies like T-Mobile and Google who require them to follow their rules in order to stay in business. As someone who works in Telecom, I see more issues from other companies than OnePlus. While it's important to voice our concerns on forums and towards the company, I think they deserve some credit for not venturing too far from their roots, despite their evolution as a company.
I agree that no company is perfect. But, monthly updates, at least for security patches are very important nowadays, especially since the exploits that are patched on the security fixes become known and thus leave people vulnerable.
For those complaining, you guys DO realize that we're on the better side of things when it comes to updates, right... ? Lmao
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The really sad part is if OnePlus did give monthly updates (or any manufacturer), these same people would be complaining that there are no new features, or nothing was updated just the security. Me, me, me, give, give, give, want, want, want. There was a time when XDA was fun, you learned things and there was always new development and it has changed over the years for various reasons. I have backed off because of all the *****ing and complaining. It's just a phone guys, nothing else, it's a hobby for me and nothing else. Can we stop with all the complaining?
I read through this thread and nearly couldnt help but laugh, People complaining because OP doesnt give them a snappy security patch, which is all in crazy anyhow.. I mean.. you act like some hacker is going to hack into your device and take your stuff within the next 5 mins or so...... I used to be a ONEPLUS hater, Then After LG and Company screwed me over, then my Carrier started selling the OP, I decided why not, lets give
it a try, and I must say I been very satisfied with it so far, everyone complaining, I wonder what you did on your old devices that didnt get patches but maybe a few times a year..
I dont get it. I personally think OP has gone above and beyond what nearly any other OEM would do. and your still not happy....... I hear more complaints about the OP then I do any other OEM,
and OP gives you a hell of alot more then any other OEM would do. you get a Flagship device for half of the price any other OEM flagship device would cost, and you still complain, not to mention you complain because
hardware isnt 100% perfect, The reason they can give you the device for half the cost of all other OEM flagship devices, because they learned to retard on some things, If you want a perfect 100% everything, and all hardware top shape, then get another device with all that and pay $1,200.00 + for it...........
Sorry just adding my 2 cents..........
This is the main reason I kinda stopped using XDA too.... Half the time it feels like Romper Room in here.
Bought this on Android 11 in Early 2021.
Currently on Android 12.
What version of Android will we be going up to?
Where does Samsung post the future/intended updates schedule?
Is it going to be Android 14 as the last version?
Android 12 - Late 2021
Android 13 - Late 2022
Android 14 - Late 2023 --> Last update?
Samsung promised 3 major Android updates and 4 years of security updates. Usually, as time passes and device becomes older, it slips down in priority for os updates. So while we got the A12 update (half cooked or not) at the top of Samsung's list, older phones eligible for the same are going to recieve it a little later, depending on how old they are. So A13 may come in early 2023 instead of Dec 2022 (when the S22U starts getting it) and A14 may come a little later in 2024. By that time the S23U will be in front of the line for A14.
I must admit that Samsung has really stepped up its game when it comes to pushing updates (I'm talking quantity here, quality is another matter) to its devices, both new and old. And they may actually improve the update situation for older devices if things go really well. Only time will tell.
But im fairly sure we'll get timely security updates till the end of 2024.
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Samsung promised 3 major Android updates and 4 years of security updates. Usually, as time passes and device becomes older, it slips down in priority for os updates. So while we got the A12 update (half cooked or not) at the top of Samsung's list, older phones eligible for the same are going to recieve it a little later, depending on how old they are. So A13 may come in early 2023 instead of Dec 2022 (when the S22U starts getting it) and A14 may come a little later in 2024. By that time the S23U will be in front of the line for A14.
I must admit that Samsung has really stepped up its game when it comes to pushing updates (I'm talking quantity here, quality is another matter) to its devices, both new and old. And they may actually improve the update situation for older devices if things go really well. Only time will tell.
But im fairly sure we'll get timely security updates till the end of 2024.
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Meanwhile, the iPhone 6S and 6S Plus arrived in September 2015 running iOS 9.
It is currently on iOS 15.3!
That's 7 years!
IMO, this phone deserves to go up to Android 15! But, alas, 'tis only scheduled for going up to 14!
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Meanwhile, the iPhone 6S and 6S Plus arrived in September 2015 running iOS 9.
It is currently on iOS 15.3!
That's 7 years!
IMO, this phone deserves to go up to Android 15! But, alas, 'tis only scheduled for going up to 14!
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I tend to agree that this would be very nice.
My feeling is that this is due to the pretty closed Apple ecosystem. They have everything in their own hand (hardware and software), thus its much easier for them to maintain compatability between both for longer time.
For Android the OS is evolving separately and is then spread out to all the hardware platforms out there - this is much more prone to create incompatabilities over time. Thus the shorter period of maintenance here.....
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I tend to agree that this would be very nice.
My feeling is that this is due to the pretty closed Apple ecosystem. They have everything in their own hand (hardware and software), thus its much easier for them to maintain compatability between both for longer time.
For Android the OS is evolving separately and is then spread out to all the hardware platforms out there - this is much more prone to create incompatabilities over time. Thus the shorter period of maintenance here.....
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They better lower their prices significantly then AND give 5 years of updates.
At this rate. the iPhone 10 will be supported beyond 2027, despite being released in 2017.
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They better lower their prices significantly then AND give 5 years of updates.
At this rate. the iPhone 10 will be supported beyond 2027, despite being released in 2017.
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True enough !
I think in the end this topic may be one of the key differentiators between Android and IOS and, depending on preferences, may trigger a buying decision. This may also in the end push Android phone makers to move towards longer maintenance cycles..... On top of that I personally think its heavily advisable from an ecological standpoint !
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They better lower their prices significantly then AND give 5 years of updates.
At this rate. the iPhone 10 will be supported beyond 2027, despite being released in 2017.
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With all the talk of increasing phone prices and plateauing phone performance, iPhones seem to have a lower cost of ownership per year if you look at the duration for which they are officially supported, despite the high initial cost. 'Technically' the only thing that degrades over time is the battery, which can be replaced fairly easily - even multiple times. But reality is sometimes different. I had an iPhone 6S until a year ago. New battery, 100% health. But it wasn't as good as it was on older iOS versions. Every update added a few features but somehow killed it a little bit. Just enough to keep it functional, but a little more limpy than before.
Getting new updates for years is amazing, but whether the OS updates add to the phone ownership experience or subtract from it is the thing to see here. If new OS updates slow down the phone or degrade battery life, isn't it better to stay on the OS version that is best optimised for that particular device during its peak years? And just get security patches, without messing around with OS version?
Updates nowadays seem to be a coin toss for most major version upgrades, both on iOS as well as Android. And usually the older phones suffer most. Sometimes a new major OS update almost cripples a phone. My OnePlus 6 worked so well on A10, till A11 borked it! Fortunately i was able to revert back. Apple doesn't even allow downgrading the OS after a short period (signing). Same with Android rollback prevention. Sometimes you're stuck with a bad 'upgrade' with no way to end the nightmare, except get a new device.
However, all said and done, apple neuters it's phones a lot less when compared to most Android manufacturers.
I've become very wary of updating software on anything nowadays unless there's an issue I need fixed or a new feature that I'm willing to risk anything for.
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Samsung promised 3 major Android updates and 4 years of security updates. Usually, as time passes and device becomes older, it slips down in priority for os updates. So while we got the A12 update (half cooked or not) at the top of Samsung's list, older phones eligible for the same are going to recieve it a little later, depending on how old they are. So A13 may come in early 2023 instead of Dec 2022 (when the S22U starts getting it) and A14 may come a little later in 2024. By that time the S23U will be in front of the line for A14.
I must admit that Samsung has really stepped up its game when it comes to pushing updates (I'm talking quantity here, quality is another matter) to its devices, both new and old. And they may actually improve the update situation for older devices if things go really well. Only time will tell.
But im fairly sure we'll get timely security updates till the end of 2024.
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You are in a dream. Woke up. Most of us we stop updating our phones after first update. I learn my lesson, after every samsung update something is broken or feature taken away. When you buy a new phone, you have to rooted and fix yourself what you need, otherwise you are stuck in a loop hole with updates, fixes, waiting till next month for fix . I never update my s20 ultra and working smoothly and better than s21 ultra with stupid android 12 and other updates
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I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. What you describe isn't what 'most' people follow. It's just a minority of tech enthusiasts who can figure out how to block updates. Everyone else just follows the system prompt.
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I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. What you describe isn't what 'most' people follow. It's just a minority of tech enthusiasts who can figure out how to block updates. Everyone else just follows the system prompt.
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I know that is a minority, and I think most of the people who access XDA know what they doing or looking to learn. With all the information available here, you cannot stay androind sheep and dance how tech companies wants. I just love how android world it's define by developers " we are willing to share "
OK. So, apparently, Samsung is promising 4 OS generation updates with 5 years of security updates.
So, the S21 series will be going to Android 15.
I'll replace this phone in early 2025 then.