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Windows OS?

If the phone is Intel based, is it possible to run Windows on it - even if its a cut down version?

Windows desktop? Don't think so. Wouldn't scale right on the 4:3" screen.
Windows Phone? Maybe. But it would take a lot of time, time which I think should be invested into Android ROM baking and stuff.

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If you can make the boot loader to read GRUB or MBR partition tables than the phone will load a Win XP/Vista/7/8 because of the native x86 instructions in the processor. Trying to find matching drivers then is the next step.

kHron0S said:
If you can make the boot loader to read GRUB or MBR partition tables than the phone will load a Win XP/Vista/7/8 because of the native x86 instructions in the processor. Trying to find matching drivers then is the next step.
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I think Intel have changed quite a lot within the x86 based architecture to be running fan-less and at that level of battery consumption.
Porting a x86 PC OS would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack and that's just getting it booting.
As for windows phone it has more chance of getting ported to any other android phone as it runs on ARM.
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Here is an atom powered x86 phone that runs windows 7. I am not a dev but I do believe this is quite possible if we can get the right minds interested.

i have arch linux and ubuntu x86 running so only the bootloader is the problem...
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Robbilie said:
i have arch linux and ubuntu x86 running so only the bootloader is the problem...
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As in the stock bootloader won't let you boot from whatever you need to boot from? I figured with an unlocked bootloader, there wouldn't be any issues on that front.

then tell me how to make it boot from my sd card xD

Oh, I have no idea. I just thought those problems would be over. I guess the bootloader just doesn't support that function.

DKSE said:
Here is an atom powered x86 phone that runs windows 7. I am not a dev but I do believe this is quite possible if we can get the right minds interested.
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That phone is of no help since it uses wrong chip. It uses the Intel atom z530 made in 2008 long before Intel remodeled them for mobiles.
RAZR I uses a atom (soc) completely different.
As I said would be extremely difficult for little in return.
As for booting from sdcard if it doesn't support it then there's nothing we can do to the bootloader to get that to work.
We could boot to nand then mount sdcard partition partitions other phones have ran android from sdcard.
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dethrat said:
As I said would be extremely difficult for little in return.
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I'd be more than happy to help sponsor some development to have the RAZR i running Windows 8 Pro not Windows 8 phone.
I was quote about $2000 for a ITG xpPhone 2 a while ago, with the RAZR i being about $500 unlocked with a newer chipset and a thinner device, it would be really nice to have instead. I have asked for another quote for the ITG xpPhone 2 to see if the price has come down at all.
I'd didn't buy it yet as I thought with Windows 8 being released, there might be a bit more interest in getting it to run on Intel Medfield phones.
I really want a Windows 8 Pro device that I can have in my pocket.

Win 3.1 through aDosBox ?
Another way could be to use aDosBox ?
As for the Asus transformer
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079332
Does the Razri version remove the x86 emulation layer ?
http://www.freeware4android.net/motorola-razr-i-xt890-device-2815/adosbox-get-24103.html
It should provide a faster version than the current ARM-based Android version.

We were talking about the real Windows 8/Windows Phone 8, not 3.1 through emulation.

Any news about installing a real desktop windows on this device ? Are there any x86 phone that can do that anyway ?
My main goal is to build an x86 handheld for retro games (old native windows games), probably coupled with an iControlPad 2.

kamuikun said:
Any news about installing a real desktop windows on this device ? Are there any x86 phone that can do that anyway ?
My main goal is to build an x86 handheld for retro games (old native windows games), probably coupled with an iControlPad 2.
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The only thing that would run fine is Windows 8 desktop but we need someone to write an UEFI bootloader for the Razr i first. And even if it boots I'm not sure how the battery life will be nor how we would trigger it to install (the default installer will be useless on such a small screen). Aside from the legal issues it would bring...

Vistaus said:
The only thing that would run fine is Windows 8 desktop but we need someone to write an UEFI bootloader for the Razr i first. And even if it boots I'm not sure how the battery life will be nor how we would trigger it to install (the default installer will be useless on such a small screen). Aside from the legal issues it would bring...
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Actually I'm not specifically interested in the Razr i, just wanted to know if it was possible to run desktop windows in x86 phones, my real target is the upcoming Lenovo K900, which have killer specs that should be good enough for a desktop windows 8.
I though that being x86 theses phones can install anything x86, it is not that simple it seems, too bad -.-

running Windows 8 Firmware
Is it fake or not?youtube.com/watch?v=H5ZKxNkf-IU

Waruna said:
Is it fake or not?youtube.com/watch?v=H5ZKxNkf-IU
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Seems fishy. The lockscreen was an Android lockscreen, and the error popup also looked like an Android popup.
I honestly think he was just using something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XwIeWfvcZ_o#!

It seems that the ASUS tablet 810 has a medfield SoC and runs windows 8, so it's almost certainly within the capabilities of the hardware. The question is whether or not we can get the bootloader to play nice or maybe stick a custom bootloader on it.

Ubuntu for Android App

On the Indiegogo page for the Ubuntu Edge, you can see a video of a proof of concept for the Ubuntu Desktop.
She used an app on a stock Nexus 4 (if I remember correctly, she says AOSP) and just launch it like that on Android and sent it to the screen.
Am I the only one who find this more amazing than running Ubuntu Touch on a Android phone ?
If you take a look at the size of the ARM Ubuntu version, you have a 500 MB file and I was wondering how Android can just load like that Ubuntu and run it along Android ?
Cheers.

Korgall said:
I was wondering how Android can just load like that Ubuntu and run it along Android ?
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As you point out, the video demonstrates a fully functional version of Ubuntu for Android. In the IRC channel, Ubuntu VP of engineering stated that U4A requires the Android OS to be modified slightly. I'm hopeful this process is unveiled soon and U4A becomes publicly available. It likely won't be very smooth on current commercially available hardware, and there's not really enough storage on an N4 to make it very practical, but it would still be nice to get a glimpse of computing convergence.

Thank you for your answer, is there any way to have access to this discussion ?
It seems pretty smooth on the video, which is surprising when you know the current hardware limitation on Android ...
For the storage, the cloud allows you to only download the file you need so it might not really be a problem.
I'm currently thinking about building a NAS to use it as a storage and download platform, it might be a custom solution for this problem.

Another option is my linuxonandroid project, see it as ubuntu for android but with just a one man team doing it in the spare time
Big plus side is we support a range of distros and are not limiting to Ubuntu
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Also note that the nexus 4 is a device I use and our up and coming LoA ROM will be on the Nexus 4 before you know it
The ROMs aim is to basicly do everything Ubuntu for Android can do and more!

Is this the app your talking about? I wanna try it but dont wanna install some bogus app lol
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.****ubuntu&hl=en

zacthespack said:
Another option is my linuxonandroid project, see it as ubuntu for android but with just a one man team doing it in the spare time
Big plus side is we support a range of distros and are not limiting to Ubuntu
EDIT
Also note that the nexus 4 is a device I use and our up and coming LoA ROM will be on the Nexus 4 before you know it
The ROMs aim is to basicly do everything Ubuntu for Android can do and more!
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Do you think they are using VM to run their Ubuntu ?
It must require a lot of RAM no ?
Something nice in their video is the share of data between the two OS (mail, contact, music, etc). Is it possible to do that when you do a VM ?
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Is this the app your talking about? I wanna try it but dont wanna install some bogus app lol
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Your link is not valid and I didn't find anything on the Play Store with the name Ubuntu.

illgodson said:
Is this the app your talking about? I wanna try it but dont wanna install some bogus app lol
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.****ubuntu&hl=en
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This is my app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid
Korgall said:
Do you think they are using VM to run their Ubuntu ?
It must require a lot of RAM no ?
Something nice in their video is the share of data between the two OS (mail, contact, music, etc). Is it possible to do that when you do a VM ?
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Just like my project they do not use a VM, they use native Chroot, which allows Linux to run on the Android kernel from within Android.
SO you get normal access to hardware and kernel features and no performance hit.
Then for the sharing its a mixture of both OS's having access to the same storage so music and files are viewable from both.
For app data shared acrossed it simply requires so work to pass this across from one side to another, something that could be done pretty easy and I have started working on myself

Nice thank you gonna give it a try tonight.
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the play store description says it has instructins on how to install ubuntu 12.04...can I assume I can also install 13.10?

This is Relevant To My Interests

Im interested. Hope this gets updated soon
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zacthespack said:
This is my app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid
Just like my project they do not use a VM, they use native Chroot, which allows Linux to run on the Android kernel from within Android.
SO you get normal access to hardware and kernel features and no performance hit.
Then for the sharing its a mixture of both OS's having access to the same storage so music and files are viewable from both.
For app data shared acrossed it simply requires so work to pass this across from one side to another, something that could be done pretty easy and I have started working on myself
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You're a genius :good:

hp420 said:
the play store description says it has instructins on how to install ubuntu 12.04...can I assume I can also install 13.10?
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Currently its just 12.04 on Ubuntus side as we aimed to make alot of changes for our 13 release, but its coming

So the app gives directions on how to VNC into the linux system, but I want to connect my nexus 4 to a bluetooth mouse and keyboard and a monitor using the SlimPort adapter as seen in the Ubuntu Edge U4A video. Do you have or know of any directions on how this can be accomplished with Complete Linux Installer?
Thanks,
Blake

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So the app gives directions on how to VNC into the linux system, but I want to connect my nexus 4 to a bluetooth mouse and keyboard and a monitor using the SlimPort adapter as seen in the Ubuntu Edge U4A video. Do you have or know of any directions on how this can be accomplished with Complete Linux Installer?
Thanks,
Blake
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For the short term you will have to watch this space, but its actually what I am working on as we speak!

zacthespack said:
For the short term you will have to watch this space, but its actually what I am working on as we speak!
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Okay, cool. I am extremely interested in this and I am a developer as well, so if there is anything you need tested or anything I can help you work on, please let me know.
I have a rooted Nexus 4 with sock jelly bean on it. I have played with installing Ubuntu Phone on it a few months back, but went back to android as I felt extremely limited in Ubuntu Phone.
I have the SlimPort® SP1002 from Amazon coming today. As I said before I would love to run it without the lag of VNC. Convergence is my main goal and I am so excited about Edge, but I want the Ubuntu for Android app for my Nexus 4 that I saw Leann talk about being already ready toady. Any idea of where/when we can get it?

zacthespack said:
For the short term you will have to watch this space, but its actually what I am working on as we speak!
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Will you implement native chroot at some point too?

So now that the Ubuntu Edge campaign has failed, if/when do you think they will release Ubuntu for Android? I am going to get the new Nexus (Nexus 5?) and hopefully they will have it released for that phone.

Root Coming to ChromeCast

Root is coming soon to Chromecast
https://twitter.com/gtvhacker/status/360858375187210240

munchy_cool said:
Root is coming soon to Chromecast
https://twitter.com/gtvhacker/status/360858375187210240
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I hope they can get it running on the q an get the q back working

Nice
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I wonder how they plan on rooting as it does not run android and the usb port carries no data

cammykool said:
I wonder how they plan on rooting as it does not run android and the usb port carries no data
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Root isn't specific to android but I'm not sure how the actual process will work... I'd imagine it requires a jtag.

cammykool said:
I wonder how they plan on rooting as it does not run android and the usb port carries no data
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GTVHackers are saying it is Android.
http://gtvhacker.com/index.php/Google_Chromecast#Software

i sure hope it doesnt require a jtag no way in hell im taking mine apart.

cammykool said:
i sure hope it doesnt require a jtag no way in hell im taking mine apart.
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connecting a jtag port isn't difficult, the chromecast is only $35 too if something goes wrong. I'm hoping that the usb can function as a usb hub if it is hacked via jtag, if so then maybe we'll get a proper android rom and maybe a linux distribution.

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connecting a jtag port isn't difficult, the chromecast is only $35 too if something goes wrong. I'm hoping that the usb can function as a usb hub if it is hacked via jtag, if so then maybe we'll get a proper android rom and maybe a linux distribution.
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would you hook it up to those UART pins?

cammykool said:
would you hook it up to those UART pins?
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that's what I would guess first. But gtvhacker said only the bootloader outputs to it briefly.
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Runs android..
So if it has the NDK we can run the XBMC app and still have the chrome cast system run in the background and have the best of both worlds. Awesomesauce.

It makes sense that it runs Android, it's a real OS that can run apps unlike Chrome OS. However, it would not make sense to call it Android as Android is a religion that is polarizing. No diehard Apple fan or even casual iPhone user would be caught dead with an Android device.
Chrome, on the other hand, is agnostic and works across platforms.
The name choice was political.

TabGuy said:
It makes sense that it runs Android, it's a real OS that can run apps unlike Chrome OS.
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Chrome OS as found on a Chromebook has a few apps like a video player, they are mostly offline versions of webapps, but still standalone apps.

TabGuy said:
It makes sense that it runs Android, it's a real OS that can run apps unlike Chrome OS.
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Define app.
I have a rdp app on my chromebook that I can use on networks without internet perfectly fine. My text editing app works smoothly even without network. The ssh client works well too.
And, unlike android, with dev mode enabled I can run any gnu/Linux app I want without installing a second os in a chroot.
I personally prefer chrome os over android. Having a real Linux os tends to come in handy.
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frmorrison said:
Chrome OS as found on a Chromebook has a few apps like a video player, they are mostly offline versions of webapps, but still standalone apps.
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you just got the wrong guy worked up bro.

http://blog.gtvhacker.com/2013/chromecast-exploiting-the-newest-device-by-google/
bootloader exploited

So apparently the os is based on android, but with dalvik and everything else replaced by a chrome binary.
So, its android, but its not android at all (no android app will ever run on it without replacing the os with android)
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i really just wanna see a screen-share so i can just push my phone or tablet screen to the tv. [having my phone plugged in on the table. playing shadow gun with my moga pro streaming to the tv]

What are the benefits to root the chromecast?

brakke97 said:
What are the benefits to root the chromecast?
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Bragging rites...

When is Linux coming for Dex?

As the title states. Also what distro's will be available? Really looking forward to this feature.

Same here.
I think they will launch it with Official Oreo release.
But if You can't wait then just use Debian NoRoot from play store. It works pretty well.

I just got my DeX... now I gotta wait for the linux release :-/ any way to get a beta of it?

I returned my dex. It constantly dropped the Ethernet connection, making it useless for remote desktop over VPN. This sounds interesting but I'll wait until Samsung gets dex to a basic level of functionality before trying it out again.

senectus said:
I just got my DeX... now I gotta wait for the linux release :-/ any way to get a beta of it?
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The disappointment here is, Samsung will be releasing another version of Dex.. I suggest returning it if possible and wait a few weeks. They quietly pulled this $hit with Gear VR recently.. Made great addon offers with crap that goes obsolete soon after.

Wilsonb said:
The disappointment here is, Samsung will be releasing another version of Dex.. I suggest returning it if possible and wait a few weeks. They quietly pulled this $hit with Gear VR recently.. Made great addon offers with crap that goes obsolete soon after.
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where did you see information about a new version of the dex appliance?

senectus said:
where did you see information about a new version of the dex appliance?
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https://samsung-firmware.org/news/2...ng-dex-will-be-released-in-the-nearest-future

It's been months. I'm betting they launch it with the S9. Lame.

Wilsonb said:
The disappointment here is, Samsung will be releasing another version of Dex.. I suggest returning it if possible and wait a few weeks. They quietly pulled this $hit with Gear VR recently.. Made great addon offers with crap that goes obsolete soon after.
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Dex dock has nothing to do with the Dex software functionality and possibilities.
you can get dex function to work with prety much any usb-c to hdmi dongle.

bober10113 said:
Dex dock has nothing to do with the Dex software functionality and possibilities.
you can get dex function to work with prety much any usb-c to hdmi dongle.
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It will also support flat profile so a keyboard / touch-pad can substitute using phone..
Hope it supports QualCom 3.0 QuickCharge
https://www.engadget.com/2018/02/09/samsung-leak-galaxy-s9-dex-pad/

not sure what your wording is ment to say but i have my Bluetooth keyboard and mouse connected fine while using dex software and usbc dongle. i understand that the dex dock helps to mutiplicate ports but again, this has nothing to do with dex as a functionality.
there are also cheap knock off docks at a fraction of the price

I thought we'd see something new on this after the S9 release.

Ya, same here.. They have been dragging on this. Personally , not interested in running Android as a Desktop.
Would be nice to have a Native Linux desktop with with using phone as a touch pad at least.
This would have to be a complete Firmware update to have Linux partition built in. Didn't release with Note 8 Oreo from what I seen so far..
It's already setup to pre-order one..
https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/mobile-accessories/phones/dex-pad-ee-m5100tbegus/
As for doing this..:good:
About to install Kali top 10 on phone again and will route "when docked" w/ original DEX, to launch Linux Deploy/VNC. Also with option of wireless screen cast option .
https://youtu.be/AXeKX63xWcs

https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8+/accessories/samsung-dex-t3593828
Take a look at this, btw I don't think that Samsung make support for linux massively, because it is not massive.

Damn it. I want Linux running natively on my phone so badly. What a tease.

pieces of cake said:
Damn it. I want Linux running natively on my phone so badly. What a tease.
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It will be here soon, maybe with the next Galaxy Note. It will be based on a Virtual Machine environment running on your device. They will have pre-loaded .img that you can download.
You cannot load the .iso and run the installer.. ARM architecture and a total different environment that needs to be emulated.
I know for fact that it will be called LinuxOnDex ^^

This is bad news. I was hoping they would find a way to "Freeze" Android and run a usable standard Linux Kernel natively. This has many advantages, including running efficiently and native file formatting.
Some geniuses made it possible for us (Android Users) to run Linux in a Virtual Machine environment for years now and display out using VNC.
(Search Google Play Store Linux Deploy)
Now Samsung comes out with overpriced hardware and pushing it with Open source development from others.

Hello all,
do you have any news related to Linux on Galaxy? Is there a possibility to get it?
Thank you

Dual boot with Windows 10.

If someone has tested dual boot installation of windows 10, please share your experience and instructions.
I think this phone is powerful enough for Win10 to process images on the go with e.g. Luminar 4 or any of the other main editors.
Thanks.

Whaaat?

marcovth2 said:
If someone has tested dual boot installation of windows 10, please share your experience and instructions.
I think this phone is powerful enough for Win10 to process images on the go with e.g. Luminar 4 or any of the other main editors.
Thanks.
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I don't think it's possible to install Windows on android device, however, I don't see any reason why would it be impossible to install some kind of virtual machine environment suitable for android and running Win10 on it. this phone has a high class specs, it can do anything android devices can do. The real(me ) question is, is this screen big enough to use Windows suited apps? you might find it really uncomfortable..

Amihassan said:
I don't think it's possible to install Windows on android device, however, I don't see any reason why would it be impossible to install some kind of virtual machine environment suitable for android and running Win10 on it. this phone has a high class specs, it can do anything android devices can do. The real(me ) question is, is this screen big enough to use Windows suited apps? you might find it really uncomfortable..
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Btw it is possible to get windows 10 on android.

gt20 said:
Btw it is possible to get windows 10 on android.
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I think you should explain yourself better. I specifically answered this in my previous post..

Hey bro ',
Windows = x86
Android = ARM
Am I wrong?